The way ABC treated luke last night was disgusting. It’s sad bc I feel like the guys, Hannah and the bachelor franchise don’t want to see Luke change, they want him to stay a villain and it’s so so sad.
I mean they gave him the seat and opportunity to show he wants to change and take responsibility. He had more opportunity to speak than anyone ever has. He shows no remorse, no indication of him wanting to change. They should have just ignored him and focused on themselves. But he is a narcissist and will likely not change
Batool Esk I totally agree! Although he might have made mistakes during the show he’s still innocent. He hasn’t really dated anyone for a long time. He’s still learning and looking for love. I just feel bad because everyone on the show was disgusting.
He was never the villain. He was the guy chosen to be bullied. I’ve never quite seen something like this on TV and it has made me decide not to watch this season till the end. Hannah Brown is a full-blown psychopath and I couldn’t care less about her “love” life. After how she treated Luke, I hope she gets what she deserves in life, ending up lonely and miserable. That goes for all of the guys as well except for the champ Matteo.
The mere fact that LP said that "he wouldn't have changed a thing" means that he believes what he did was acceptable. And they don't necessarily want him to stay a villain but he chooses to be one by his actions. I think LP is clueless as far as what to do in a relationship and how he affects other people. He seems to be someone who has always gotten his way growing up. He doesn't hear 'No' -- he just makes people fulfill his agenda with perseverance.
My issue with this episode was that a lot of mental health jargon was thrown around by people who have no medical training. Labeling someone when you have no credentials is at the very least harmful, if not dangerous.
@@tulip5210 I was referring to the men tell all episode. Luke was repeatedly called a narcissist, a psychopath, manipulator etc. by the men. He may well be some or all of these things. I just was not comfortable with the characterizations being made by unqualified people that have no ability to determine the impact these words may have on someone who may be very ill equipped to deal with the outcome. I have no idea if he is or isn't. I would hope that he has a support system.
oh my gosh, i have been waiting for this comment. people keep saying he needs professional help, is a psycho, a narcissist, etc. i hate that we use mental illness to insult people. like who are you to say someone needs therapy or frankly who are you to use therapy and mental illness as a nasty thing? it is very upsetting to me as someone who has a tough mental health journey and been to therapy. this topic shouldn't be used as an insult. just asshole behavior.
The men tell all should be titled “Lets bash Luke”! It’s completely disgusting seeing how repetitively harsh they were with this guy. Shame on the audience, the guys and Hanna herself for what took place that night. I don’t think any of them ever met an actual bad toxic person before to know the difference. Luke was gullibly unwise with his words & some of his actions..that’s it! Nothing more! Nothing to have deserved this amount of abuse...and Hanna’s last comment of ending the show bashing the guy who was ready to propose to her, who earlier told everyone that he still loves her and wants the best for her, was simply distasteful and hard to watch. Luke never had malicious intentions of hurting her, and she failed miserably to recognize that. Lost respect for her and the guys, because they were all f****** bullies that night. All lacked understanding of love and forgiveness. All were self righteous, portraying themselves as moral superiorities, forgetting all the stupid things they’ve said and done in their own lives. To Luke: I’m sorry that you had to go through this. This too shall pass.
As with the whole season, it was all too much Luke. I wanted to hear from the other men more than Luke during the show last night. I was disappointed that I didn't get to see more from all the other guys. I agree, it was too much focus and piling on Luke.
I'm so glad Danielle pointed out the implications of hannah's behaviour to cancel the Luke show. We get it but so will luke p. He will learn just from being on the show. The subsequent continuous social media punchbag by hannah & "her boys" is uncomfortable viewing. I love Danielle she has always spoken sense and is balanced.
At Ashley's comment that Luke is new to "this religion thing" and that he's going by this "strict book"....if you are a Christian, "this religion thing" is not supposed to be some fad or trend, it's a way of life, who you are supposed to strive to be. And you are supposed to go by "this strict book." It's called following the bible. The issue is people are watered down or luke-warm Christians (definitely NO pun intended there) and they shun others who actually follow God's word as He meant it, because like the bible says, Christians are supposed to be in the world but not of the world. That being said...Luke had no place being on this show if he really believed his values, they did not align with the show concept at all.
Cory Smith 100% agree with you. Luke had no business going on a show like this. Also I am not sure Christians should be watching this show (at least not what it has become). I am definitely convicted about watching it any further
I think you’re right a Christian shouldn’t go on this show. But Luke was nominated to go on the show and only went on after he read Hannah was a Christian her self. He thought he was getting a Christian girl. So Hannah also should have not done the show....I think Hannah believe she is a follower of Christ but is a lukewarm Christian. Not that I know her heart but on how she portrayed her self on the show.
Yes, I agree. I am worried about Luke P’s well being as well. I hope someone from the show will make sure he is ok. I think they are responsible and maybe they should help him get some counseling.
OMG yessss!!! as much as I dislike him..he's part of the bach family and they need to take care of their own. Also, the producers looked baaadddd allowing Luke to waltz into the rose ceremony and look batshit craz!!!
He's an egomaniac. "She thought I wouldn't have her anymore. I (he) doesn't have closure". I think they were trying to snap him out of it. His biggest problem is the hero worship and enabling from his church folks. He says what he believes and backtracks on EVERYTHING! Comes off as a total phoney.
I know it makes for good tv but if I was Hannah I would really be mad at the producers, I would say if I tell someone to go home please don’t let anyone return, regardless of it if it would make good tv or not.
Jed might have developed feelings for Hanna and it seems he was genuinely worried she would end up with a looney like Luke, but in the end.. he didn’t tell Hannah the truth about his girlfriend back home.
Angela Vasquez Girl, Jed being happy was because he thought he controlled her. He said and I quote, “She listened to me.” It wasn’t about relief for Hannah like Tyler when Peter came through the door. It was about HIM...just like he made this whole show. Hate Jed.
Still, the fact that he had someone waiting back home, and didn’t speak up when Hannah clearly said in night one “if anyone has somebody back home, please leave.” It’s still really irritating. Also, I believe the fact that he went on the show for his music and confessed it to her, if they were to stay together that confession will always be brought up when they have arguments and I think that it’s always gonna be in the back of her mind.
Luke has issues that may have or should be addressed by a Professional. He is so confused when questioned about things. I do fear he could become her stalker and I hope they are considering that and watching closely.
So true. He had his mistakes and he was wrong for a lot of his behaviour he has displayed throughout the whole season, but degrading and bullying someone back is not right. It most definitely will not help him at all or change him for the best, hurting someone back is not the answer. Let him be. Everyone should just carry on with their own lives.
I'm sorry, but I don't like what they did to Luke. Sure, he was a pain all season, but to just pile on him and basically bully him collectively (audience, the other guys and in a way production, social media and now today all the recaps, articles, etc.) relentlessly. They set him up to have a really tough time resuming his life. No one is perfect. A lot of people, especially at 24, do not know how to have a healthy relationship. Who knows what kind of examples of relationships he has had in his life. Even the most well balanced human being would have trouble being attacked like that. The things that have been exposed about productions interference (this season and Colton's season with that girls dad showing up) and apparently they gave Luke that ring to make him look crazy -- it's really gross. They have to suffer the repercussions of that kind of manipulation. I don't blame Luke for leaving MTA. He fell in love with Hannah and to add her bashing him on top of all the other attacks he had already sat through....yeah, I wouldn't have stuck around for that either. He is 24 years old and he lacks communication skills -- like most people. The rest, I'm not sure how much was him or how much was edited to make him look bad.
@justmemadison, Girl... You’re so right!!! Hannah said herself, that her confidence before, (and I believe during & still today ), coming on the show was super low! Luke gave her confidence, reassurance, and stroked her ego when he told her that he loved her from the start! Hannah, in my opinion, acted like a horny school girl throughout her whole season. I’d be ashamed of myself if it were me, just saying.
Not that I had a high opinion of the bachelor series to begin with but it is SO disgusting to me that they’ve pushed and profited off the whole Luke P situation this entire season. They should absolutely have not allowed him to come back to that rose ceremony. And then Chris Harrison had the nerve to play it like he didn’t know that would happen. That was so unfair to Hannah and any other girl that’s been involved with a toxic man. They’re trying to make it seem like the bachelor franchise is against men like him and pro women when all they’ve done is exploit his toxicity and not cut him off when they had the chance all for their own benefit. So gross.
so agree two times he return back to this show when hannah not give him a rose? only Asley I do that and return back like desespered woman to paradise to try to take back jared? if all eliminated people return back what's the point to not give a rose?what the rules? is supppose no rose go home?
Exactly! They should have removed him immediately when they had the chance, they took things too far. This became a much bigger story then it needed to be.
I completely agree Mike is trying way to hard to be the bachelor I know we need a black bachelor ASAP but I see through Mike. Mike is putting on a show delivering what everyone wants to see, I believe it says something about the bachelor 2020 when the Mike said some snarky comments that were cut from the episode! Producers are making him the bachelor so they don’t want him looking bad, he was a lot to blame for the Luke harassment men tell all. He just seems like a big cocky bully to me! Sadly I think Chris Harrison and the producers would really choose him for the bachelor but we’ll have to see.
What I am surprised about this Bachellotte Season is all about Luke. All the men were on him,all the talk show on Luke and Hannah is also Luke. I am not enjoying anything. Ashley you are right he was bullied.
Paa Nii Edward it’s a reality TV show. Luke brought this on himself. Luke was the bully and not bullied. The show is edited and I don’t believe everyone had an issue with him for no reason. I’m not saying that everything they said was right, but bullying is to strong of a word to use when referring to the men.
Thank you Ashley for calling this out! I'm so happy to hear Bach Alum felt the bullying Luke P went too far. I feel like BachABC let it go too far. I'm so concerned about his mental health. Oh! The Rescue Mission he clarified that he meant saving her from the guys because he felt she was his partner. Chris Harrison asked him about that. And Hannah was ridiculously immature. I Loved her until that part. Love ladies! Xo
...lead the woman ...spiritually...he should have said / quoted the Bible verse in Ephesians. It ends “to sum up, each one of you is to love his wife as himself and the wife is to respect her husband”. It’s not saying men rule over in an evil way or without love .
Absolutely agree. Love is patient, love is kind.... This means that the man is the head of the wife. He is the one who humbles himself to give his all to her. In return, the woman follows him and trust him. Thats what respect is. Its a beautiful set up. But no one wants to listen to what Luke had to say on the show because they hate love and beauty and mask it as feminism.
@@dapper_slapper4093: What dream world do you live in? I believe in equality, not subservience of a wife to the husband. Respect is both parties trusting each other.
@@erinusgardner also, of course were equal, but we bring different things to the table. Please show me a woman who actively seeks a man who is shorter than her with a puny body. Or a man the actively seeks a woman who is taller, buffer, etc. I don't think I have met either a man or woman who does either. There is a reason for that. Tall and strong men are hot to women because of survival instincts for them and their offspring. Its not a social construct or anything like that. Women don't feel as protected and provided for with a shorter, weaker man, unless he is rich or socially loved. And Men dont feel like providing and protecting a stronger taller bigger woman because instinctually they want to be the provider/protector. So instinctually, not just Biblically, I'm not even Christian, even though I definitely believe that the Bibles portrayal of men leading women is correct, men desire to love women and women desire to respect men. It has nothing to do with being subservient. It has to do with submission. Women naturally submit to men they trust and respect. If they dont then they have trust issues and dont believe in their own feminine power
maybe Luke for me is a manipulator top 1,maybe he tells them what's they want to hear for take him to this show? like he does with Hannah to manipulated her to go final 4!
@@jigiw I definitely think Luke has some deep personal issues that he surely needs to address. I hope he is able to work through that. I saw an interview on YT Channel Whit & Ry. They do a morning-after recap. Whit was a TV producer for 14 years. They did YT recap with a former contestant who is past his "non-disclosure agreement" period & was able to talk about the PROCESS of being chosen to be a contestant. He said they are flown to LA for an entire weekend of EXTENSIVE PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATIONS and other tests (checking for STDs etc). That means the ABC PSYCHIATRISTS KNEW, for sure, Luke had issues. ABC CHOSE to EXPLOIT the man's obvious shortcomings, for our viewing pleasure, and pit the world against him. He's far from perfect and I am sure this experience will impact him for life; but DO BE SURE ABC CHOSE THE CONTROVERSY AND WANTS TO MAKE CHRISTIANS LOOK CRAZY and that means THEY ARE BULLIES. None of it is nice, in my estimation!
You have made a lot of the same points that Luke’s brother made when I interviewed on FOX ... his brother and that interview changed my perception of Luke and the show.
@@d.l.n.7133 I would sure hate to be put in that position. To have an 'obvious-to-others' problem that I, myself, am not aware of and have that problem exploited to the point where the world is pitted against me, all on national TV? Well, that's terribly unkind of the ABC SHRINKS who, in my opinion, are GAME-PLAYERS who allowed such BULLYING to proceed! I've heard these are PROFESSIONAL PSYCHIATRISTS! Really, I ask, professional?????? Collectively, is that what 'our' viewing pleasure has come to? Or are we being PROGRAMMED? I saw the DEPTH OF DESPAIR portrayed on Luke's face as he was FORCED TO FACE THE NATION. Did anyone else see that? This was a PUBLIC AMBUSH of a person with an OBVIOUS PROBLEM. It's only been since AIRING that Luke even had an opportunity to SEE FOR HIMSELF, how he comes across. I'm glad he has Yeshua aka Jesus the Messiah to see him through this INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC BEATING/SHAMING/BULLYING or whatever, you want to call it. This has been quite a lesson, and I hope MANY LEARN IT!
I agree with Ashely. I am not impressed with mike either. Everyone is hyping him up but I don’t think he’s anything great. If Tyler or Peter don’t win, one of them should be bachelor in my opinion
Mike was always in the center of drama and lied to Hannah about Cam. He got mad at Luke telling Hannah his feelings so soon and then was ready to get down on one knee after spending only a day with her. He bullied Luke more than the others. His character is lacking.
I think Peter should. Hes the only non fake guy on the whole season. Tyler is who everyone wants but something about him rubs me the wrong way. He tries to hard I think
Carole Beth bullying is a strong term. Mike didn’t bully anyone and it’s sad that you would see it that way and make such an ignorant statement like that. Look up the definition of bully and please give me examples from the show. Also he didn’t lie about Cam, if you go back and look at it, he was telling Hannah it seemed like it was for pity and remember these shows are edited. Hannah even believed it was for a pity rose. I saw her talking about it in a recent interview.
Am I the only one who didn’t think Luke was that bad? I have been such a fan of the show for so long but now I don’t think I can even watch it anymore. The man certainly is not perfect and didn’t do the best job expressing himself and his opinions, and probably does have some pride and anger issues, but he isn’t Hitler and didn’t deserve to be crucified by contestants, Hannah and everyone else.
@E D never said I agree with it lol. Just said that's what the church preaches. I'm a Christian and a feminist but in my eyes both are created equal regardless what the church says smh.
Ashley, I would really like to know based on what you do not like Mike now? Because all the guys in the house had only positive things to say about him. Even Luke had some respect for him. I hope it isn't just because your friends dont like him.
I think it’s not that she dislikes him but that she is not impresssed with him, to her he hasn’t wowed her, he’s not hateable to her just not impressionable
Tali Alba Blue the reason that Ashley doesn’t like Mike is because he is Black. She did the same thing to Rachel. Pay attention to her comments and how she responds to any person of color. I’m just saying, her tone changes and she tries to be subtle about it but it’s obvious.
I didn't mind Hannah speaking at the end about Luke, she wanted to apologise to fans for the Luke drama taking up so much of the season, and to draw a line under it. She's also obviously very affected by his shaming. The show seemed quite happy to use Luke as the centre piece again for another episode and gave him more than enough time to discuss his actions. People have been talking about Luke all season and this was the first time Hannah got to talk about their relationship in hindsight - unfortunately a toxic one.
Oh pls u dont know what ur talking about Luke never shamed Hannah. She shame herself. Who cares if she slept with ten but saying luke shamed her is bullshit she shamed her self. Am not defending luke at all but the action was that was taking on Luke was really bad. Look at the guys calling him cankerworm psychopath how dare u say that on some one.
Luke never shamed her. She knew he was right about what the Bible said about sex and she felt conviction. I never heard him tell she couldn’t have sex. Since he’s became a Christian he now wants to save sex until marriage and wants a partner to think the same way. I think most people want a partner that thinks similar to them. It’s a shame people have been shamming her but I think she feels shame for her self.
pls fire this host. i love watching ashley i recap but the host is almost unbearable to listen to! she dosent know what shes talking about half the time. its so cringe
Controversial opinion: I think Mike is an okay guy and people are only pushing for him for bachelor so hard because they just want a black bachelor. DON'T GET ME WORNG, I want more diversity in the show, but Mike as a person isn't really super blowing me away.
Daniella is Right On...!!!... I have never in my life seen anyone be so bullied to the point where they are brought to tears. Luke's brother, Mike said that he was in tears and crying later that night when they met at the airport to fly out to Gainesville for a wedding. It made me upset to hear that Luke was that hurt. What makes the situation even worse is that the show and ABC chose Luke as their villain for the simple fact that he is a christian. Hannah and Chris Harrison took part in every single bit of the torture and bullying that Luke had to go through. I don't think these idiots know how badly they have killed Luke's spirits, ruined his life and his reputation, and could've caused him everything he had. Why...!!!???!!!... For their own amusement!?!... For their own pleasure!?!... For their own satisfaction!?!... I'm confident that this won't ruin his career because he has a family that loves and adores him and supports him through this...
Hannah Chris and the "boys" disgusted me with their cruel piling on against Luke. Hannah needs a course in anger control...her face was twisted in rage...unbelievable. And apologizing to America for keeping Luke! She was so hot for Luke and how ugly to be so disloyal and petty.
Chris H. & Hannah knew full well that Luke was there with ring in hand!!! They set the poor boy up from the get go, if I were a betting woman!!! In my opinion... Hannah acted like a full-blown horny schoolgirl, this season. Wasn’t a good look, to say the very least!! This was the worst season of ALL TIME!!! Just saying...
@@sheilajones4570 Yes she was, and I can promise you that not only is Luke's brother Mike furious over watching his brother be treated like that but I can also guarantee you that his mother is probably just ready to straight up go WWF on that which...!!!...
ashley i really has a problem w poc and it's obvious she's always waaaay harsher on the black and brown contestants and holds their actions against them in a way that she never would w a white person and her dismissive attitude towards mike being the bachelor is so strange considering that pretty much all the guys on this season and even hannah express how much they like mike and some have even given his name when asked who would be a great bachelor ashley's prejudice is showing and it's not a good look
Wow I am so fed up of women making excuses for shitty men . You guys are cutting him way more slack than you should , he is not. A boy ! He is pathetic
Believe me, he will be a morality HERO in Georgia. His Christain group will lift him up for living his truth. He is here to save us all. He is not new to this religious walk. This is how the south Eastern churches do it. I use to be part of that demographic. My finance could be his double and he is famous in Georgia. Married a snowflake, happliy ever after. Hugh web profile, vlogging away.
kind of wish Luke hadn’t even shown up to the men tell all. like just leave tv it’s obviously not a good place for him and he just needs to go back to his life and learn from his mistakes.
Actually this whole season just fed into his narrasasistic behavior. He got most all the airtime up till the end. Thats all he caree about. I pray he watches this season back and realizes he need serious help.
I am against gang bullying and people need to realize that what this shows has turned into it is a source of inspiration and normalizing of bullying. There is no justification for gang bullying! What a dangerous example to viewers and the young generation!!! I am spreading awareness against bullying, but I am over with this show. Too much toxicity already in life to allow myself get “Entertain” anymore while watching people get bullied. This show is far away from love .
And for the record Hannah saying she was tired of being slit shamed lmao well she must didn't get the memo of how many people all over the world watch the show. I've been watching this since Trista and Ryan which was the first one and Hannah is the only one that aired her sex life. She could had handled Luke's situation differently. And did she forget she wasn't just any other girl she was in the running for MS USA which every woman in those pageants are held on a higher standard because little girls all over the world look up to them. Just saying
With all do respect your sex life is your sex life and it's meant to be private. Being a woman of class and self respect has nothing to do With tradition. She dry humped every guy on the show and she put her sex life out in the open for the world to see and when you do things in life there are consequences and hunny I'm not the first the last or the only person that feels like I do. Oh and I raised 4 boys and they were raised to respect woman and if I had a daughter I dang sure would not ever let her think it's ok to just have sex with any and everyone. You have to respect yourself before someone else can respect you. Not to mention women are the strong human beings and we don't have to spread our legs to get what we want out of life including love!!!
I disagree with the comments that Luke was being bullied. Chris Harrison gave Luke a lot of respect, even though Luke was being extremely passive aggressive, & he allowed him MORE THAN ample time to have his say. I've NEVER seen ANY person on either franchise be afforded so much airtime to explain or defend himself, in EVERY episode AND for practically the ENTIRE first hour of Men Tell All. Also, the only comments I heard that were extra harsh was Connor's 'f you, man' & someone else called Luke a 'psychopath', which might be pushing it (might). Oh yeah, Mike said any woman who ends up with Luke is going to be in prison. That was brutal, BUT IT WAS TRUE!!! My gosh! Call it out! You can't protect yourself from it, & Luke can't heal it for himself if people are afraid to call him out for his toxic male behavior. Plus, Matteo stood up for Luke, saying he'd already been punished enough by the show being aired & all the backlash of how Bachelor Nation is just sick of the Luke Show. Welp, no. Sorry. The entire point of Men Tell All is to air the differences & resolve (if possible) the conflicts of the season, & that's what they did. They aired the differences, & some of the conflicts were resolved. Also, it's not as if all the guys didn't give Luke chance after chance after CHANCE to redeem himself. They were practically begging him all season to stop creating drama, but he CHOSE to keep it up. And it wasn't mild drama, it was outright LYING to people's faces, gaslighting, attacking the other Luke, threatening other guys, being SO disrespectful & controlling & toxic to Hannah, etc. At some point, yes, the majority of the group turned on him & ostracized him, but my God, people! Imagine having to deal with a person like Luke day in & day out in a situation that is already stressful! Who among us would be able to just pretend it's all ok? And why should we? When one person loves to stir the pot, things are gonna get crazy, & IMO, it's healthy to address that person & hold them accountable. And if that person is intent upon continuing their dysfunction, yet you're forced to remain in close proximity to them, I think it's good to avoid, ignore, remove oneself if possible & if not, then you MUST confront the issue & set some boundaries. If folks wanna call that bullying, I think they need to understand healthy boundaries. Did anyone notice how the majority of the guys (except that whole Cam chicken nuggets debacle) seemed to get along & support & even enjoy being around each other? This was a GOOD group of men, & they just had had ENOUGH of Luke -- & I don't blame them! Last, Luke's 'apology'. IT WAS UTTER & COMPLETE HOGWASH. Go back & watch the hometowns. Luke's brother talked about how quickly Luke apologizes for everything. He says: All you have to do is tell Luke what he did wrong, & he immediately apologizes. Kinda makes me wonder if all the folks in Luke's life aren't used to his NEEDING to apologize a LOT. But the truth is, apologizing means NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, when before it's even out of Luke's mouth, he's done the same thing (or worse) in less than 24 hours. Luke SAID he was sorry, but the real truth is, he's only sorry that people are mad at him. He has ZERO plans to change himself b/c HE THINKS HE'S RIGHT! HE THINKS HE'S THE VICTIM! This is what abusive men do. It's the classic cycle of abuse, which Luke & Hannah cycled through God knows HOW MANY TIMES on this season. It goes like this: Everything's just peachy keen until Luke doesn't get what LUKE wants. When that happens, he does/says something misogynistic/dishonest/controlling/manipulative, which is EMOTIONAL ABUSE. Then, when he's called out on it, he 'apologizes', he says he'll never do it again, he says what he thinks Hannah or the guys want to hear, but not what he really, truly thinks. He seems contrite, he then starts to be more 'reasonable' with the guys, or he's more loving & caring with Hannah, then things settle down a little, & almost start to SEEM to get better. Then, once everyone's guard is down --- BOOM! He does it AGAIN! That's b/c he never had ANY intention of changing b/c he never thought he was wrong! He always sees himself as the victim of other people's 'misunderstandings'. Recall how many times Luke said he'd been 'misunderstood' or 'misconstrued'. That is ABUSER CODE for: I didn't do anything wrong, & you're to blame b/c you obviously have accused me of something I didn't say or do. YOU misunderstood ME. It's YOUR fault! THAT is the cycle of abuse, & this season of The Bachelorette was a classic case study in toxic male, controlling behavior. I used to work at a women's shelter for survivors of domestic violence. Luke IS the guy we were always on the lookout for. Luke's the one these women ran from & were hiding from, in fear for their lives. Watch the season again, if you can stomach it, & notice how difficult a time Luke had controlling his temper. Notice how, even on Men Tell All, he got SO quiet, for SO long, as Chris Harrison waited for him to answer. Everyone was asking, what took him so long to answer? I'll tell you what took him so long. He was SEETHING on the inside, but he didn't want to expose his true self in public, & he was doing EVERYTHING he could to calm himself down before he flipped out in front of the entire country! Abusive men are notorious for being known in the public eye as SUCH stand-up guys! They do all they can to manipulate the perception that others have of them. They can't blow up in public, b/c then, when their wife or girlfriend accuses them of violence or emotional abuse, people might believe them. No. Part of an abuser's MO is to remain VERY controlled in public if at all possible. But the more toxic they are, the less they're able to hide it. Luke's body slamming the other Luke was a classic example of that. He couldn't control himself. Notice how many times he clenched his fist during confrontations. Notice how he SCREAMED & stood over Garrett in a threatening manner. Luke is accustomed to getting Luke's way, PERIOD. And when he doesn't get his way, he's abusive. If Hannah & Luke had met in a regular dating situation? He'd have swept her off her feet, been her Prince Charming, her Southern Gentleman, for the first few weeks/months. Along the way, once he's more sure he's got her hooked, he'd start mentioning her clothes -- I like when you wear this, I don't like it so much, sweetheart, when you wear that. He'd start protesting about her hanging out with her friends, but he'd couch it in that he just misses her so much when she's not with him. He'd sulk if she wanted to spend time with her family, saying he wants her to focus on being a family with HIM. He'd begin the process of isolating her. After he's got her torn down, her self-esteem a MESS, her support system in tatters, THAT'S when he'd really let his temper come out. First, it's mean comments, then it's raising his voice, then it's outright yelling, then it's name calling, then it's shoving/pushing, punching the wall, then it's a slap, next a punch. And all the while, he'll blame her for MAKING HIM SO MAD THAT HE COULDN'T HELP HIMSELF. And he'll apologize, crying, afterwards, he'll say he'll change, it'll never happen again. He'll shower her with gifts & attention. He'll say how much he loves her. Folks, THAT'S NOT LOVE. And IMO, Hannah was SPOT ON to call it out so strongly, to look into the camera at the end of the show & say that she deserves better & to apologize for bringing that kind of toxic behavior into our households. [I realize Luke has not been accused of domestic violence against women -- at least not that I know of. But believe me when I say, he will. Unless he gets professional help soon & dedicates himself to healing, HE WILL.] And anyone trying to defend Luke in these comments or even this video really has done a disservice to young women (& GOOD men) everywhere. Mic drop.
I swear Ashley iaconetti has been on a crusade for the past few years, probably since Rachel season, against anybody black, that possibly could have become the next Bachelor! I never heard her speak highly of Wills or Reed who was completely lovable, she never liked Rachel, I remember her talking down on Eric bigger, and now she doesn't like Mike. There is a pattern and that pattern leads to she is a racist!!!
I’m not a fan of Luke P but the way they treated him and allowed things to be said over and over and calling it the Luke P show then when Hannah is talking to peter and she states 4 times in a windmill and Chris Harrison says Luke Ps head just exploded is terrible! Yes he’s misunderstood and he may not use his words correctly and go back and forth but he’s 24 still growing and who is anyone trying to criticize his Christianity! If he is such a big Christian and is so big on following the Bible and the Lord then he shouldn’t have went on the show to begin with but again if he is new in his Christianity he has to grow and learn in that as well and NO ONE not ABC or whomever should ever be ashamed to shame him in that! Not a fan of Ashley I either!! She’s beyond annoying and she talks so much shit about bachelorette and bachelors but she yet forgets about her journey on and off with guys and being DUMPED numerous times!
Quick comment: I’m proud of you Ashley that you’re not crying and crying and crying and crying for attention anymore. You’re a normal person now!! That was HILARIOUS when Luke went in line with the other 3 phoney guys left at the rose ceremony. Luke was the only reason to watch this season - Go Team Luke !!!
Luke is not a child who needs his hand held. 24 is plenty old enough to hold him accountable for his actions. He certainly knows not to lie and not to physically encounter other people like he did playing rugby.
its funny because as bad as Luke is about saying things and contradicting them ten seconds later, Trisha is just as bad, if not worse at doing the exact same thing during these recaps...
Ashley spoke to Mike for 2 minutes and all of a sudden she’s on the Mike hate train 😂 A lot of people don’t like Ashley cause they think all of those things about her also and I’ve never been one to judge her so I won’t judge Mike cause she doesn’t like him. He seems like a genuine guy to me. I really don’t think Ashley likes black people in general I remember a lot of her comments that she’s made about a lot of people of color that has been in the franchise 🤔 That girl does not have one black friend and I can see why. She’s very judgemental
Toni Brooks I’ve noticed it for a while but didn’t wanna believe it cause I liked her 😂 It probably started for her when she was on Chris Soules season and had to deal with Kelsey. Her circle of friends are Nick, Tanner & Jade so I think on to something 😩
exactly she has been like this with every black person on the show,she even asked jasmine from nicks season if whether nick was asked by the producers to give rachel a first impression rose .
Unathie Mdala yes I remember that comment. She use to shade the hell out of Rachel also. Nick is one of her bestfriends also so it’s like she knows her circle couldn’t handle a person of colors personality so she would always hate on them low key. Kelsey might have traumatized her 😂
I really enjoyed Colton's season although I didn't expect to. He's certainly far more mature than any of the boys here on Hannah's season. When the women started acting up with one another he just got up and walked away. Hannah's season has been like watching primary school kids on a dating show.
I go back and forth. I felt bad... but he also did NOTHING to ameliorate the situation. If he'd been like "I was a little too possessive. I've got a long way to go. I'm sorry for the way I treated Hannah and the guys." I'd sympathise... instead he remained sexist and narcissistic and condescending and posed and endlessly tried to defend his actions instead of giving a sincere realistic no bullshit apology. Like at that point people aren't bullying, they're trying to help you understand how you affected them. Sure Hannah's end thing was immature... but also ... this guy demeaned and disrespected her and made this whole season negative for viewers everywhere and tbh... I'd feel bad for letting that happen to. A lot of people hated her for being "dumb" and keeping him there and "ruining the season" despite her being a victim of his manipulation.
Thank you Ashley. You have always been one of my people in bachelor nation. I have always wanted Luke P gone due to knowing he was not the man for Hannah, and how he behaves. I really found how they handled the Luke's situation at men's tell all distasteful. I feared watching any of my favorite bachelor people programs for a couple days because I didn't think I could handle you all being mean as well. It's with great relief that am writing this today. I don't know if I'll watch the show again but I'll always be your fan!😄
this is the first episode where i actually agree with ashley it was too much aggression towards luke , and i didnt get a very good impression on mike he was the first to create drama with cam then with luke he comes across a bit arrogant
I really liked Mike until he started diagnosing Luke (narcissist, psychopath). Mike is not a psychologist. Don't throw those words around, Mike. I hate when people use armchair psychology, and do not know what they are talking about.
The fact that historically racist Ashley I. is attempting to ruin Mike's reputation with ZERO tangible or audible proof is absolutely disgusting, and a new low... even for her.
Ashley again I feel is a FOLLOWER “I know people in paradise who feel how I feel about him” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 Ashley still comes across like the 24 year old on Chris Soles season but more annoying. She doesn’t want a black Bachelor period and it’s so apparent
Miss Conceiteality I agree 100%! She is in your face about that. Not surprised, with the political climate the way it is, people are truly showing their true feelings about race and are bold about it.
I'm black but don't want Mike as bachelor. It's just something about him that just doesn't do it for me. Coupled with the snitching he did during the show. Always had something to say about the other guys like Cam and Luke to Hannah. He's the white knight of the show (the best friend) not the Bachelor.
Peggy Boateng I don’t always like everything he has to say or some of his choices but he is a well spoken gentleman for the most part. Why does the black bachelor have to be super perfect when we have had mediocre white bachelors ?
it makes me so annoyed when people see someone as a victim in situations that they created!!!! if luke didn’t behave the way he did none of the confronting would have happened.
True but there is a difference between confronting and degrading and bullying someone back. He most definitely had to be confronted about his behaviour but enough is enough.
Confronting and bullying are two different things. By bullying they proved they are no different in character than him. Why stoop to his level. Totally uncalled for
It really bothers me when people throw around the term bullying. Luke was not bulled. People called him out for his actions and then told him that they will accept his apology when his actions match his words. The men deciding not to immediately accept his apology was valid because they have heard Luke lie to his face before. No one said they had no hope for him. They said they hope he matures and sees he is not being misconstrued but instead being held accountable. He was not bullied.
Having a witch-hunt against a person is bullying. We get the point already. Leave him in the dust and move forward. Agree with Daniella and Ashley on this one.
I was a high school teacher and had to take many classes on bullying and identifying bullying ... and what happened to Luke was not bullying. Luke has been disrespectful to the other men all season and now to Chris Harrison ...as well as Hannah (by not accepting her decision to be sent home). And we I am trying to feel sorry for Luke bc he is so off balance and has no self awareness, but it is almost impossible. He led the other men to the breaking point, and l am shocked that one of them did not actually punch him out.
Agreed.i was uncomfortable with the bullying oh Luke P on the show and the lack of focus on other men issues. It wasn’t the Men Tell All. It was Luke Tell All with a sprinkle of Mike smiling... was of time!
Hi Ladies, I’m sorry, but I must disagree with y’all on your statement about what Luke said about the man leads his wife. I am a Christian, and it’s in the Bible that the man is the head of his wife. But... I’ve always said; “ The man is the head, and the woman is the neck that turns the head!” Ashley, I just love you to pieces girl. I’m sooo happy for you & Jared♥️🥰♥️ God Bless Y’all😘
Hannah moving the podium was the one of the best moments in Bachelor history !!! And everyone leave Luke alone, he’ll never have a good image again. It’s all over now thank god hahaha ❤️🇨🇦
Totally disagree about Peter. If he is the sweetest, most affectionate, hard worker, accomplished, why wouldn't this be the best choice? Because this show is impractical! They often pick the assholes who look "good" for TV. Luke totally was bullied. No one expressed empathy but one guy.
Those in the comment section saying it wasnt bullying are the type of people who bullied someone in high school or those who silently watched and enjoyed the other kids getting bullied. Bullying could lead to Suicide and these ppl are okay with it. Wow!
@@marinaspalate lmfao!! Good one!! Didn't know through "editing" they can make him say something he actually didn't. It's called NOT KNOWING WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND BACK PEDALING WHEN YOU REALIZE YOU JUST SAID THE 1000TH STUPID THING ON INTERNATIONAL TELEVISION FOR THE WORLD TO SEE.
Katie 'Moron' ? Really ? Ashley, you literally hosted one of these recaps with her weeks ago and you got her name right then. What's with the unnecessary pettiness ?
I think Chris H was smart asking Luke P questions to disclose his thinking was at eg: Do you still love Hannah? Incase they need to protect her in future....everything is on tape....He is just way tooooooo scary (Fist & Knuckle Crack...several times) when he was mumbling....."She doesn't get it" after he was kicked off the show for the third time (Scotland, Fan Suite Night & Finally the Rose Ceremony) Who filled out Luke P's Physc test prior to going on the show? His sister-in-law entered him to the show....did she complete the physic test?
I just have to say first of all I respect luke for even showing up. But I also have to disagree with everyone on here and Ashley I. and these girls because clearly they don't know what it's like to be bullied at all. I didn't see it they you all are seeing it, the guys are clearly trying to understand why luke was such a bully and confronting him on his issues with them and Hannah so for me they did the right thing. He had so many opportunities to talk and screwed up. If I had the chance to confront or ask my bullies I would take it.
Ashley, is it that hard for you to believe that a black man can be authentic and genuine? How do you judge someone from a 2 minute conversation? Omg, just come out and say it. You have an issue with having a black man as bachelor. The sad part about it is this man is a smart successful decent human being and your ignorance still can’t give him credit. Newsflash Ashley, there are a lot of decent black men out there, it’s people like you that have already prejudged them and can’t open your heart or mind to the fact that they exist. I have listened to you make a lot of negative comments about Mike and persons of color. It’s not a good look for you. I hope you grow as a person.
Toni Brooks - Boy, you people are sure putting words in her mouth, and you’re mind-readers as well are you? Maybe she knows more behind-the-scenes stuff than you do.
stymiedagain Actually I’m giving my opinion and observation based on comments that she has made throughout the season. I seriously doubt she has any behind the scene info especially when most of the men and Hannah had nothing but praises about Mike. How much more behind the scenes can you get? My goodness.
Toni- “you people” refers to those who are calling Ashley a racist based on no actual evidence. I don’t know the race of you or anyone else commenting here, but the fact that you jumped to the conclusion that my “you people” comment referred to race, just proves my point. You think you are a mind-reader, but you actually have no clue what’s in the minds of others. You know the expression “ASSUME” makes an ASS of U and ME.
@@stymiedagain she know what? Ashley are so so mean girl with Clare,Caila,Zuchana...call people cougar 31? and sh's so gross and now she can judge sweet Mike i alway's beleive Chris harisson is good and fair man(Demario) after all drama he said chris harrison alway's said the true and is very distinguish and fair man, chris H said many quality about mike and is good bachelor!and hashley now sh's have jared she can go and take a break with her nasty mouth comment about mike all bachelor to this show like mike and want him to be bachelor(dylan,conner,chrisharisson,luke stone)...give sweet mike a break!they stay with mike and knows him!
Notice how she provided zero proof while desperately trying to slander him. Everyone knows she's a racist and she's been less than credible so she really thought we would just take her word for it??
Amen!!!!! From the very first episodes in the season she was all against Mike! She never seem to speak highly of Wills Reid last season and she never like Rachel. It's a pattern for her and that pattern leads straight to racism and she should not even be allowed to be a part of Bachelor Nation the way she acts. I cannot stand that girl!
I swear Ashley iaconetti has been crusading to make sure, these past few years, that there is not going to be a black bachelor anytime in the near future. That is racist and should be stopped! She should not be allowed to be a part of Bachelor Nation if she's going to act in that way. All the guys from Hannah season speak very highly of Mike! In fact they seem to think he definitely should be the next Bachelor!
Ofcourse Ahley defending him. She WAS the OBSESSIVE bully for months and months towards Caila and every girl She just doent like to glance at. Asking a person why He did what he did (physical assault, emotional manipulation, LIES, disregarding physical boundaries, verbal & physical threats).. is NOT bullying.
shabrina - Everyone ganging up on him is a classic case of bullying. The guy’s not a murderer, but everyone is calling him a psychopath. What evidence is there of that? Do people even understand the meaning of the word? A bunch of them have lied, and he did too. Mike misrepresented Cam to Hannah. Cam lied about having a girlfriend, Jed lied, Peter apparently lied. So it makes a person a liar, not a psychopath. That fact that Luke has a problem with a woman he’s in love with having sex (not in her past sexual history, but in the present) with multiple guys, shortly before she possibly might accept a proposal of marriage, doesn’t make him weird. The weird people are the guys who are pretending that’s it’s OK, they just aren’t going to think about, they’re going to block it from their minds. That’s abnormal.
so true sh's so so mean with Clare because sh's date Jared she tell her Cougar(Clare) and to old and her ''eggs'' fertility so low BC Clare have 34? is so so mean and now ashley not young too?30 and more with no kids?Karma is a bitch! and now ashley talk about Mike personnality sh's not impress? are you kidding me???
jigi w For sure .. there are lot of people you meet that you’re not impressed.. There’s nothing wrong with that .. it’s a vibe.. why judge Ashley for that
@@stymiedagain 1.) When you TACKLED a nonchalant guy at the side of the field where theres no ball or anybody at all for no apparent reason at all.. its a safe assumption that one might be PSYCHO. 2.) When someone flips FACTS for a full night for no apparent reason AT ALL, its safe assumption that one might be CRAZY. 3.) When someone clenched his fist UP and readjusting his ONE FIST UP for the ENTIRE NIGHT to a girl He likes telling him politely to leave, violating her personal boundary again with his ONE FIST UP and the biggest dialated eyeball EVER (first sign of people under mental health medication), it is safe to assume that one might be Psycho. If you couldnt read the room that He was totally gonna hit her had there werent a FULL CREW with Cameras, the You TOO have low social intelligence. 4.) When someone again clenched his ONE FIST UP during a fine greek morning towards 2 guys who were politely asking him to leave, while confronting one girl in the most invasive way possible.. disregarding everything She kept repeating.. it is safe to assume one might be PSYCHO Im sorry if you cant read that. Pls I want to talk with REAL PEOPLE with REAL ACCOUNT
#MikeforBachelor 🌹 Ashley you can take your opinion elsewhere! Mike doesn’t need to impress you in order to be the Bachelor🤷🏽♀️Who do you think you are?🙄
His long pauses made me think that he was holding in his anger. Also his tendency to clench his fist throughout the season made me worry. I think he needs help. Agree that we need to back off on the bullying of Luke P. He also seems delusional.
so true i'm very very worried for Hannah when sh's send him home and is going to hurt her?he alway's do something very strange with is hand? this man need help i think!
Deborah Hill, Delusional is another name for his mental health. I'm wondering if they need to do more screening of the contestants. We've already seen his anger a number of times. He needs to go home and seek some help.
I’m sorry, but l can not feel badly for Luke bc he just doesn’t get it . He was sooo rude to Chris H when he had the nerve to say “ think about what you are saying” Chris had steam coming out of his ears, but he let it go. Luke is an immature, entitled child who has a lot of growing up to do and anger issues to work out. The only thing that Luke did right was to say “.. l admit l lied “to the other Luke ... and l think the only reason was that that was caught on tape. Luke dished it out all season and the others had to take it ... they finally reached their breaking point and who could blame them?
I was so excited at the very beginning that it was just going to be Ashley and the other girl this episode but sure enough it comes back to the annoying blonde girl sitting on the couch 🙄
Kyleigh Katona oh yes! Whoops! They both have similar voices and I was just listening to the video and not watching it hahahah. Thanks for the correction
God cares. And you people should read the Bible and read what sex was made for. So on judgement day will you stand before God and tell him so what God, who cares, it's just sex?
I do not like Mike! He flat out lied about saying Cam literally said he wanted a pitty rose and no one else there has said that was ever said. He just took what he felt about what Cam said and told Hannah that it was exactly what Cam said. And I was NOT a Cam fan! I lost all respect for Mike after that.
I know right that blew me too. No one liked Cam too. The way he crashed a group date. He wasn't respectful to the guys. But what Mike did saying he wanted a pity rose was a uncalled for.
Wow nice comparison...but the truth is thay she was engaged to jed at the finally ..and the hanna...broke the engagement after filming coz jeds real life drama ......so in other words hanna is SINGLE...sad..see u at the finally next week .coz it will be...juicy ..dramatic ...climmatic ...
LUKE P WAS ON THE WRONG SHOW. It is as simple as that. They cast him thinking he'll either make Hannah happy or cause lots of drama. Luke was also used to getting any girl he wants and rarely had guys that were on his level or better compete with him. It's like the kid from the small town that goes to an Ivy League and realizes they're actually below average compared to all these people. I agree with the person that said they kept throwing around clinical terms when they're not qualified to say stuff like that. After all that being said, hopefully Luke will learn to humble his fucking self a little bit and that having good intentions doesn't mean you're not a stalker. The idea of "the one that got away" is total shit. It teaches guys and girls to be persistent, despite being shot down. It's not romantic, it's disrespectful. If I'm mature enough, I'm not gonna send you away to test your love for me.
Idk but these reviews aren’t entertaining or worth waiting for anymore. It’s as if someone is forcing Ashley and the host to speak, no chemistry between those two, information is unorganized and not accurate at times (Katie has black hair not blonde). I used to definitely look forward but I can’t anymore lol. Wanted to leave an honest review for a possibility in improving this segment. 😊
rosa flora you are wrong, we do not want him to burn at the stakes, he is an adult grown up Christian, he had choices, lots of choices, he was unable to control people’s reactions and frankly he was strong enough that he was not concerned with what people thought. Kindly answer the question is it appropriate to react with a clenched fist?
It's surprising how ignorant these reporters are to christian faith. Luke is a christian, his doctrine is not meant to be "normal" to pagans. What he says is all completely off the books and protected by the biggest faith in this country. His image is as a golden child of the christian community, he literally fought the devil and remained true to his faith; you know how many hot christian chicks are melting over this. In the bible a man is meant to lead the household, christian women see the value in this. The story of Hosea could be an influence to luke. Lastly, what pagans don't understand is that people of faith have a power that is above anything worldly, this dude could be truthfully empowered by God and common people will never understand.
V-Ron Rosco the problem is the way Luke thinks leadership of a family looks. Jesus came as a servant leader, laying himself down for the church, leading by example and inviting people follow him. Luke think leading looks like telling his wife what he expects of her and then shaming her when she “messes up”. That is toxic and the complete opposite of that a Christian marriage should look.
The way ABC treated luke last night was disgusting. It’s sad bc I feel like the guys, Hannah and the bachelor franchise don’t want to see Luke change, they want him to stay a villain and it’s so so sad.
it was shockingly terrible
I mean they gave him the seat and opportunity to show he wants to change and take responsibility. He had more opportunity to speak than anyone ever has. He shows no remorse, no indication of him wanting to change. They should have just ignored him and focused on themselves. But he is a narcissist and will likely not change
Batool Esk I totally agree! Although he might have made mistakes during the show he’s still innocent. He hasn’t really dated anyone for a long time. He’s still learning and looking for love. I just feel bad because everyone on the show was disgusting.
He was never the villain. He was the guy chosen to be bullied. I’ve never quite seen something like this on TV and it has made me decide not to watch this season till the end. Hannah Brown is a full-blown psychopath and I couldn’t care less about her “love” life. After how she treated Luke, I hope she gets what she deserves in life, ending up lonely and miserable. That goes for all of the guys as well except for the champ Matteo.
The mere fact that LP said that "he wouldn't have changed a thing" means that he believes what he did was acceptable. And they don't necessarily want him to stay a villain but he chooses to be one by his actions. I think LP is clueless as far as what to do in a relationship and how he affects other people. He seems to be someone who has always gotten his way growing up. He doesn't hear 'No' -- he just makes people fulfill his agenda with perseverance.
My issue with this episode was that a lot of mental health jargon was thrown around by people who have no medical training. Labeling someone when you have no credentials is at the very least harmful, if not dangerous.
Jan York the blonde haired girl I believe is a psychologist
@@tulip5210 I was referring to the men tell all episode. Luke was repeatedly called a narcissist, a psychopath, manipulator etc. by the men. He may
well be some or all of these things. I just was not comfortable with the characterizations being made by unqualified people that have no ability to determine the impact these words may have on someone who may be very ill equipped to deal with the outcome. I have no idea if he is or isn't. I would hope that he has a support system.
@@janyork7441 oh ok!
@@tulip5210 I'm just a "ole" mama that has a hard time with the way we treat each other sometimes. ☺
oh my gosh, i have been waiting for this comment. people keep saying he needs professional help, is a psycho, a narcissist, etc. i hate that we use mental illness to insult people. like who are you to say someone needs therapy or frankly who are you to use therapy and mental illness as a nasty thing? it is very upsetting to me as someone who has a tough mental health journey and been to therapy. this topic shouldn't be used as an insult. just asshole behavior.
I 100% agree they went way to far and Hannah definitely didn't need to do that bit at the end
The men tell all should be titled “Lets bash Luke”! It’s completely disgusting seeing how repetitively harsh they were with this guy. Shame on the audience, the guys and Hanna herself for what took place that night. I don’t think any of them ever met an actual bad toxic person before to know the difference. Luke was gullibly unwise with his words & some of his actions..that’s it! Nothing more! Nothing to have deserved this amount of abuse...and Hanna’s last comment of ending the show bashing the guy who was ready to propose to her, who earlier told everyone that he still loves her and wants the best for her, was simply distasteful and hard to watch. Luke never had malicious intentions of hurting her, and she failed miserably to recognize that. Lost respect for her and the guys, because they were all f****** bullies that night. All lacked understanding of love and forgiveness. All were self righteous, portraying themselves as moral superiorities, forgetting all the stupid things they’ve said and done in their own lives.
To Luke: I’m sorry that you had to go through this. This too shall pass.
YES!!!
Yes! Very well said. I felt the same way.
I am sick of Hannah at this point .. can the Hannah show be canceled ? 🤨
Thank you for saying this, I feel like it is an unpopular opinion but I totally agree!
Luke got everything he deserved. He's no victim, he's a potential abuser. Just desserts.
As with the whole season, it was all too much Luke. I wanted to hear from the other men more than Luke during the show last night. I was disappointed that I didn't get to see more from all the other guys. I agree, it was too much focus and piling on Luke.
yes this was the only men tell all i couldnt go through , usually i cant wait for this episode
@@Saturnfart Yes, yes, yes! I can't even wait to see him on Paradise!
Luke could at least own his own stuff
I'm so glad Danielle pointed out the implications of hannah's behaviour to cancel the Luke show. We get it but so will luke p. He will learn just from being on the show. The subsequent continuous social media punchbag by hannah & "her boys" is uncomfortable viewing. I love Danielle she has always spoken sense and is balanced.
100% agree
P B Danielle who ? Hahaha want some tea
@@airab6288 pour it
Psychotic crazies do NOT “learn”.
At Ashley's comment that Luke is new to "this religion thing" and that he's going by this "strict book"....if you are a Christian, "this religion thing" is not supposed to be some fad or trend, it's a way of life, who you are supposed to strive to be. And you are supposed to go by "this strict book." It's called following the bible. The issue is people are watered down or luke-warm Christians (definitely NO pun intended there) and they shun others who actually follow God's word as He meant it, because like the bible says, Christians are supposed to be in the world but not of the world. That being said...Luke had no place being on this show if he really believed his values, they did not align with the show concept at all.
Cory Smith 100% agree with you. Luke had no business going on a show like this. Also I am not sure Christians should be watching this show (at least not what it has become). I am definitely convicted about watching it any further
Completely agree with you too... 💯
AMEN Precious Souls😊♥️
God Bless You All✝️♥️🙏♥️
I think you’re right a Christian shouldn’t go on this show. But Luke was nominated to go on the show and only went on after he read Hannah was a Christian her self. He thought he was getting a Christian girl. So Hannah also should have not done the show....I think Hannah believe she is a follower of Christ but is a lukewarm Christian. Not that I know her heart but on how she portrayed her self on the show.
100%
Yes, I agree. I am worried about Luke P’s well being as well. I hope someone from the show will make sure he is ok. I think they are responsible and maybe they should help him get some counseling.
Agree
It was horrible to watch that I questioned why I was so happy for Hannah being the bachelorette. 😧
OMG yessss!!! as much as I dislike him..he's part of the bach family and they need to take care of their own. Also, the producers looked baaadddd allowing Luke to waltz into the rose ceremony and look batshit craz!!!
I wonder what they said to him to cause him to go back ... l really didn’t like him but he was also manipulated by the producers l think 🤔
He's an egomaniac. "She thought I wouldn't have her anymore. I (he) doesn't have closure". I think they were trying to snap him out of it. His biggest problem is the hero worship and enabling from his church folks. He says what he believes and backtracks on EVERYTHING! Comes off as a total phoney.
I know it makes for good tv but if I was Hannah I would really be mad at the producers, I would say if I tell someone to go home please don’t let anyone return, regardless of it if it would make good tv or not.
yes and it wasnt good tv , it was terrible tv cringe worthy
Jed might have developed feelings for Hanna and it seems he was genuinely worried she would end up with a looney like Luke, but in the end.. he didn’t tell Hannah the truth about his girlfriend back home.
If she does choose him, I hope she lets him go when she learns the truth!
Angela Vasquez Girl, Jed being happy was because he thought he controlled her. He said and I quote, “She listened to me.” It wasn’t about relief for Hannah like Tyler when Peter came through the door. It was about HIM...just like he made this whole show. Hate Jed.
Still, the fact that he had someone waiting back home, and didn’t speak up when Hannah clearly said in night one “if anyone has somebody back home, please leave.” It’s still really irritating. Also, I believe the fact that he went on the show for his music and confessed it to her, if they were to stay together that confession will always be brought up when they have arguments and I think that it’s always gonna be in the back of her mind.
Luke has issues that may have or should be addressed by a
Professional. He is so confused when questioned about things. I do fear he could become her stalker and I hope they are considering that and watching closely.
I don’t trust Jed. His whole response to the Luke situation is based on his ego, not on love for Hannah.
So true. He had his mistakes and he was wrong for a lot of his behaviour he has displayed throughout the whole season, but degrading and bullying someone back is not right. It most definitely will not help him at all or change him for the best, hurting someone back is not the answer. Let him be. Everyone should just carry on with their own lives.
I'm sorry, but I don't like what they did to Luke. Sure, he was a pain all season, but to just pile on him and basically bully him collectively (audience, the other guys and in a way production, social media and now today all the recaps, articles, etc.) relentlessly. They set him up to have a really tough time resuming his life. No one is perfect. A lot of people, especially at 24, do not know how to have a healthy relationship. Who knows what kind of examples of relationships he has had in his life. Even the most well balanced human being would have trouble being attacked like that. The things that have been exposed about productions interference (this season and Colton's season with that girls dad showing up) and apparently they gave Luke that ring to make him look crazy -- it's really gross. They have to suffer the repercussions of that kind of manipulation. I don't blame Luke for leaving MTA. He fell in love with Hannah and to add her bashing him on top of all the other attacks he had already sat through....yeah, I wouldn't have stuck around for that either. He is 24 years old and he lacks communication skills -- like most people. The rest, I'm not sure how much was him or how much was edited to make him look bad.
justmemadison well said
@justmemadison,
Girl... You’re so right!!! Hannah said herself, that her confidence before, (and I believe during & still today ), coming on the show was super low! Luke gave her confidence, reassurance, and stroked her ego when he told her that he loved her from the start! Hannah, in my opinion, acted like a horny school girl throughout her whole season. I’d be ashamed of myself if it were me, just saying.
Not that I had a high opinion of the bachelor series to begin with but it is SO disgusting to me that they’ve pushed and profited off the whole Luke P situation this entire season. They should absolutely have not allowed him to come back to that rose ceremony. And then Chris Harrison had the nerve to play it like he didn’t know that would happen. That was so unfair to Hannah and any other girl that’s been involved with a toxic man. They’re trying to make it seem like the bachelor franchise is against men like him and pro women when all they’ve done is exploit his toxicity and not cut him off when they had the chance all for their own benefit. So gross.
so agree two times he return back to this show when hannah not give him a rose? only Asley I do that and return back like desespered woman to paradise to try to take back jared? if all eliminated people return back what's the point to not give a rose?what the rules? is supppose no rose go home?
Exactly! They should have removed him immediately when they had the chance, they took things too far. This became a much bigger story then it needed to be.
I completely agree Mike is trying way to hard to be the bachelor I know we need a black bachelor ASAP but I see through Mike. Mike is putting on a show delivering what everyone wants to see, I believe it says something about the bachelor 2020 when the Mike said some snarky comments that were cut from the episode! Producers are making him the bachelor so they don’t want him looking bad, he was a lot to blame for the Luke harassment men tell all. He just seems like a big cocky bully to me! Sadly I think Chris Harrison and the producers would really choose him for the bachelor but we’ll have to see.
100% agree
I agree! When he told Hanna “don’t apologize” and flashed his smile my eyes rolled to the back of my head
Emmabartlett Tyler And Jed and Peter all bullied Luke so shut up
Emmabartlett Ashley is just fucking racist
Malaiya Vincent I don’t think you have the right to bully shame people if you’re the one telling me to “shut up”
What I am surprised about this Bachellotte Season is all about Luke. All the men were on him,all the talk show on Luke and Hannah is also Luke. I am not enjoying anything. Ashley you are right he was bullied.
Oh please. He is NO victim. Did you WATCH the show? Smh
Paa Nii Edward it’s a reality TV show. Luke brought this on himself. Luke was the bully and not bullied. The show is edited and I don’t believe everyone had an issue with him for no reason. I’m not saying that everything they said was right, but bullying is to strong of a word to use when referring to the men.
Thank you Ashley for calling this out! I'm so happy to hear Bach Alum felt the bullying Luke P went too far. I feel like BachABC let it go too far. I'm so concerned about his mental health. Oh! The Rescue Mission he clarified that he meant saving her from the guys because he felt she was his partner. Chris Harrison asked him about that. And Hannah was ridiculously immature. I Loved her until that part. Love ladies! Xo
Smh
I agree, I actually felt bad for Luke. No, he wasn’t my favorite, but he doesn’t have to be bullied for it.
...lead the woman ...spiritually...he should have said / quoted the Bible verse in Ephesians. It ends “to sum up, each one of you is to love his wife as himself and the wife is to respect her husband”. It’s not saying men rule over in an evil way or without love .
Absolutely agree. Love is patient, love is kind.... This means that the man is the head of the wife. He is the one who humbles himself to give his all to her. In return, the woman follows him and trust him. Thats what respect is. Its a beautiful set up. But no one wants to listen to what Luke had to say on the show because they hate love and beauty and mask it as feminism.
@@dapper_slapper4093: What dream world do you live in? I believe in equality, not subservience of a wife to the husband. Respect is both parties trusting each other.
@@erinusgardner did I say subservience?
@@erinusgardner also, of course were equal, but we bring different things to the table. Please show me a woman who actively seeks a man who is shorter than her with a puny body. Or a man the actively seeks a woman who is taller, buffer, etc. I don't think I have met either a man or woman who does either. There is a reason for that. Tall and strong men are hot to women because of survival instincts for them and their offspring. Its not a social construct or anything like that. Women don't feel as protected and provided for with a shorter, weaker man, unless he is rich or socially loved. And Men dont feel like providing and protecting a stronger taller bigger woman because instinctually they want to be the provider/protector. So instinctually, not just Biblically, I'm not even Christian, even though I definitely believe that the Bibles portrayal of men leading women is correct, men desire to love women and women desire to respect men. It has nothing to do with being subservient. It has to do with submission. Women naturally submit to men they trust and respect. If they dont then they have trust issues and dont believe in their own feminine power
@@dapper_slapper4093: Submission is not that different than subservience. You talk and talk but I still don't buy it.
I agree. Hannah and the guys were too tough on Luke. I felt bad for Luke. Totally agree with all of you on this
Luke passing the psyche test to get on the show means THEY WANTED THIS VERY TYPE OF CONTROVERSY ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO FAITH.
maybe Luke for me is a manipulator top 1,maybe he tells them what's they want to hear for take him to this show? like he does with Hannah to manipulated her to go final 4!
@@jigiw I definitely think Luke has some deep personal issues that he surely needs to address. I hope he is able to work through that. I saw an interview on YT Channel Whit & Ry. They do a morning-after recap. Whit was a TV producer for 14 years. They did YT recap with a former contestant who is past his "non-disclosure agreement" period & was able to talk about the PROCESS of being chosen to be a contestant. He said they are flown to LA for an entire weekend of EXTENSIVE PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATIONS and other tests (checking for STDs etc). That means the ABC PSYCHIATRISTS KNEW, for sure, Luke had issues. ABC CHOSE to EXPLOIT the man's obvious shortcomings, for our viewing pleasure, and pit the world against him. He's far from perfect and I am sure this experience will impact him for life; but DO BE SURE ABC CHOSE THE CONTROVERSY AND WANTS TO MAKE CHRISTIANS LOOK CRAZY and that means THEY ARE BULLIES. None of it is nice, in my estimation!
You have made a lot of the same points that Luke’s brother made when I interviewed on FOX ... his brother and that interview changed my perception of Luke and the show.
@@d.l.n.7133 I would sure hate to be put in that position. To have an 'obvious-to-others' problem that I, myself, am not aware of and have that problem exploited to the point where the world is pitted against me, all on national TV? Well, that's terribly unkind of the ABC SHRINKS who, in my opinion, are GAME-PLAYERS who allowed such BULLYING to proceed! I've heard these are PROFESSIONAL PSYCHIATRISTS! Really, I ask, professional?????? Collectively, is that what 'our' viewing pleasure has come to? Or are we being PROGRAMMED? I saw the DEPTH OF DESPAIR portrayed on Luke's face as he was FORCED TO FACE THE NATION. Did anyone else see that? This was a PUBLIC AMBUSH of a person with an OBVIOUS PROBLEM.
It's only been since AIRING that Luke even had an opportunity to SEE FOR HIMSELF, how he comes across. I'm glad he has Yeshua aka Jesus the Messiah to see him through this INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC BEATING/SHAMING/BULLYING or whatever, you want to call it. This has been quite a lesson, and I hope MANY LEARN IT!
I agree with Ashely. I am not impressed with mike either. Everyone is hyping him up but I don’t think he’s anything great. If Tyler or Peter don’t win, one of them should be bachelor in my opinion
Mike was always in the center of drama and lied to Hannah about Cam. He got mad at Luke telling Hannah his feelings so soon and then was ready to get down on one knee after spending only a day with her. He bullied Luke more than the others. His character is lacking.
I think Peter should. Hes the only non fake guy on the whole season. Tyler is who everyone wants but something about him rubs me the wrong way. He tries to hard I think
Carole Beth bullying is a strong term. Mike didn’t bully anyone and it’s sad that you would see it that way and make such an ignorant statement like that. Look up the definition of bully and please give me examples from the show. Also he didn’t lie about Cam, if you go back and look at it, he was telling Hannah it seemed like it was for pity and remember these shows are edited. Hannah even believed it was for a pity rose. I saw her talking about it in a recent interview.
Am I the only one who didn’t think Luke was that bad? I have been such a fan of the show for so long but now I don’t think I can even watch it anymore. The man certainly is not perfect and didn’t do the best job expressing himself and his opinions, and probably does have some pride and anger issues, but he isn’t Hitler and didn’t deserve to be crucified by contestants, Hannah and everyone else.
@rosa flora yea by some real classy audience.lol if i was him.I would be relieved it was over.They treated him terrible especially Hannah.
Luke is 100% correct. That is exactly what the church teaches. The man comes first in the household and he leads the woman.
Spiritually...not as a person
@E D never said I agree with it lol. Just said that's what the church preaches. I'm a Christian and a feminist but in my eyes both are created equal regardless what the church says smh.
The show is a Mike Flaiss production so let's not forget that. It's Protocol. The bullying is not okay.
Next year let's change up the interviewer. Her style is draining to watch. And her monotonous sarcasm draws out all joy in the group dynamics
100% TRUTH 😊♥️... Please Ashley Hire someone LIKEABLE 🌸❣️
The vocal fry is distracting. The blonde hostess needs a vocal coach because her delivery is unbearable.
Agree. Ashley's wasn't that much better either. She muttered the entire interview through gritted teeth.
Ashley, I would really like to know based on what you do not like Mike now? Because all the guys in the house had only positive things to say about him. Even Luke had some respect for him. I hope it isn't just because your friends dont like him.
she said she heard from people that went on paradise with him , that was her source
@@BATOOLESK so it's influenced by her friends opinions, rather than judging his actions for herself?
Ashley I talks shit on people until they become popular in Bachelor Nation..She did the SAME thing to Caelynn
I think it’s not that she dislikes him but that she is not impresssed with him, to her he hasn’t wowed her, he’s not hateable to her just not impressionable
Tali Alba Blue the reason that Ashley doesn’t like Mike is because he is Black. She did the same thing to Rachel. Pay attention to her comments and how she responds to any person of color. I’m just saying, her tone changes and she tries to be subtle about it but it’s obvious.
I didn't mind Hannah speaking at the end about Luke, she wanted to apologise to fans for the Luke drama taking up so much of the season, and to draw a line under it. She's also obviously very affected by his shaming. The show seemed quite happy to use Luke as the centre piece again for another episode and gave him more than enough time to discuss his actions. People have been talking about Luke all season and this was the first time Hannah got to talk about their relationship in hindsight - unfortunately a toxic one.
Oh pls u dont know what ur talking about Luke never shamed Hannah. She shame herself. Who cares if she slept with ten but saying luke shamed her is bullshit she shamed her self. Am not defending luke at all but the action was that was taking on Luke was really bad. Look at the guys calling him cankerworm psychopath how dare u say that on some one.
Luke never shamed her. She knew he was right about what the Bible said about sex and she felt conviction. I never heard him tell she couldn’t have sex. Since he’s became a Christian he now wants to save sex until marriage and wants a partner to think the same way. I think most people want a partner that thinks similar to them. It’s a shame people have been shamming her but I think she feels shame for her self.
pls fire this host. i love watching ashley i recap but the host is almost unbearable to listen to! she dosent know what shes talking about half the time. its so cringe
Someone last week told me she is the producer. Someone higher up needs to fire her... Someone higher up probably has no idea how bad it is.
@@happinin07 that's what I was thinking, was thinking she is the boss herself
and shes so fugly
Controversial opinion: I think Mike is an okay guy and people are only pushing for him for bachelor so hard because they just want a black bachelor. DON'T GET ME WORNG, I want more diversity in the show, but Mike as a person isn't really super blowing me away.
Mollie Schonberger I agree. I have no interest in watching mike as the bachelor
Mollie Schonberger I agree
Nadalee Natasha well don’t watch! It will be plenty of people watching and for you to be a black woman saying that is crazy idiot
Ashley I love you girl, but you're all over the place in this review. Demi was making out with someone with blonde hair, Katie hair is black.
It's Kristian Haggerty.
Both of them have been all over the place lately
Daniella is Right On...!!!... I have never in my life seen anyone be so bullied to the point where they are brought to tears. Luke's brother, Mike said that he was in tears and crying later that night when they met at the airport to fly out to Gainesville for a wedding. It made me upset to hear that Luke was that hurt. What makes the situation even worse is that the show and ABC chose Luke as their villain for the simple fact that he is a christian. Hannah and Chris Harrison took part in every single bit of the torture and bullying that Luke had to go through. I don't think these idiots know how badly they have killed Luke's spirits, ruined his life and his reputation, and could've caused him everything he had. Why...!!!???!!!... For their own amusement!?!... For their own pleasure!?!... For their own satisfaction!?!... I'm confident that this won't ruin his career because he has a family that loves and adores him and supports him through this...
Hannah Chris and the "boys" disgusted me with their cruel piling on against Luke. Hannah needs a course in anger control...her face was twisted in rage...unbelievable. And apologizing to America for keeping Luke! She was so hot for Luke and how ugly to be so disloyal and petty.
I know right.
@@abbygriffin9105 Exactly! This b..ch is a bully, a player, and a mean girl just like all the rest of those jackoff's...
Chris H. & Hannah knew full well that Luke was there with ring in hand!!! They set the poor boy up from the get go, if I were a betting woman!!! In my opinion... Hannah acted like a full-blown horny schoolgirl, this season. Wasn’t a good look, to say the very least!! This was the worst season of ALL TIME!!! Just saying...
@@sheilajones4570 Yes she was, and I can promise you that not only is Luke's brother Mike furious over watching his brother be treated like that but I can also guarantee you that his mother is probably just ready to straight up go WWF on that which...!!!...
ashley i really has a problem w poc and it's obvious she's always waaaay harsher on the black and brown contestants and holds their actions against them in a way that she never would w a white person and her dismissive attitude towards mike being the bachelor is so strange considering that pretty much all the guys on this season and even hannah express how much they like mike and some have even given his name when asked who would be a great bachelor ashley's prejudice is showing and it's not a good look
Faiza Rafika EXACTLY!!!
Faiza Rafika yes she’s very racist
Wow I am so fed up of women making excuses for shitty men . You guys are cutting him way more slack than you should , he is not. A boy ! He is pathetic
Believe me, he will be a morality HERO in Georgia. His Christain group will lift him up for living his truth.
He is here to save us all. He is not new to this religious walk. This is how the south Eastern churches do it.
I use to be part of that demographic.
My finance could be his double and he is famous in Georgia. Married a snowflake, happliy ever after. Hugh web profile, vlogging away.
"Only a 24-yr old would be that immature?" Have you seen the president of the United States? Talk about a bully culture...
kind of wish Luke hadn’t even shown up to the men tell all. like just leave tv it’s obviously not a good place for him and he just needs to go back to his life and learn from his mistakes.
Actually this whole season just fed into his narrasasistic behavior. He got most all the airtime up till the end. Thats all he caree about. I pray he watches this season back and realizes he need serious help.
I am against gang bullying and people need to realize that what this shows has turned into it is a source of inspiration and normalizing of bullying. There is no justification for gang bullying! What a dangerous example to viewers and the young generation!!! I am spreading awareness against bullying, but I am over with this show. Too much toxicity already in life to allow myself get “Entertain” anymore while watching people get bullied. This show is far away from love .
And for the record Hannah saying she was tired of being slit shamed lmao well she must didn't get the memo of how many people all over the world watch the show. I've been watching this since Trista and Ryan which was the first one and Hannah is the only one that aired her sex life. She could had handled Luke's situation differently. And did she forget she wasn't just any other girl she was in the running for MS USA which every woman in those pageants are held on a higher standard because little girls all over the world look up to them. Just saying
Um, Kaitlyn made her sex life public...
Exactly
Agreed. She’s trash.
With all do respect your sex life is your sex life and it's meant to be private. Being a woman of class and self respect has nothing to do With tradition. She dry humped every guy on the show and she put her sex life out in the open for the world to see and when you do things in life there are consequences and hunny I'm not the first the last or the only person that feels like I do. Oh and I raised 4 boys and they were raised to respect woman and if I had a daughter I dang sure would not ever let her think it's ok to just have sex with any and everyone. You have to respect yourself before someone else can respect you. Not to mention women are the strong human beings and we don't have to spread our legs to get what we want out of life including love!!!
Teresa Highsmith so well said!
I disagree with the comments that Luke was being bullied. Chris Harrison gave Luke a lot of respect, even though Luke was being extremely passive aggressive, & he allowed him MORE THAN ample time to have his say. I've NEVER seen ANY person on either franchise be afforded so much airtime to explain or defend himself, in EVERY episode AND for practically the ENTIRE first hour of Men Tell All. Also, the only comments I heard that were extra harsh was Connor's 'f you, man' & someone else called Luke a 'psychopath', which might be pushing it (might). Oh yeah, Mike said any woman who ends up with Luke is going to be in prison. That was brutal, BUT IT WAS TRUE!!! My gosh! Call it out! You can't protect yourself from it, & Luke can't heal it for himself if people are afraid to call him out for his toxic male behavior. Plus, Matteo stood up for Luke, saying he'd already been punished enough by the show being aired & all the backlash of how Bachelor Nation is just sick of the Luke Show. Welp, no. Sorry. The entire point of Men Tell All is to air the differences & resolve (if possible) the conflicts of the season, & that's what they did. They aired the differences, & some of the conflicts were resolved.
Also, it's not as if all the guys didn't give Luke chance after chance after CHANCE to redeem himself. They were practically begging him all season to stop creating drama, but he CHOSE to keep it up. And it wasn't mild drama, it was outright LYING to people's faces, gaslighting, attacking the other Luke, threatening other guys, being SO disrespectful & controlling & toxic to Hannah, etc. At some point, yes, the majority of the group turned on him & ostracized him, but my God, people! Imagine having to deal with a person like Luke day in & day out in a situation that is already stressful! Who among us would be able to just pretend it's all ok? And why should we? When one person loves to stir the pot, things are gonna get crazy, & IMO, it's healthy to address that person & hold them accountable. And if that person is intent upon continuing their dysfunction, yet you're forced to remain in close proximity to them, I think it's good to avoid, ignore, remove oneself if possible & if not, then you MUST confront the issue & set some boundaries. If folks wanna call that bullying, I think they need to understand healthy boundaries. Did anyone notice how the majority of the guys (except that whole Cam chicken nuggets debacle) seemed to get along & support & even enjoy being around each other? This was a GOOD group of men, & they just had had ENOUGH of Luke -- & I don't blame them!
Last, Luke's 'apology'. IT WAS UTTER & COMPLETE HOGWASH. Go back & watch the hometowns. Luke's brother talked about how quickly Luke apologizes for everything. He says: All you have to do is tell Luke what he did wrong, & he immediately apologizes. Kinda makes me wonder if all the folks in Luke's life aren't used to his NEEDING to apologize a LOT. But the truth is, apologizing means NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, when before it's even out of Luke's mouth, he's done the same thing (or worse) in less than 24 hours. Luke SAID he was sorry, but the real truth is, he's only sorry that people are mad at him. He has ZERO plans to change himself b/c HE THINKS HE'S RIGHT! HE THINKS HE'S THE VICTIM! This is what abusive men do. It's the classic cycle of abuse, which Luke & Hannah cycled through God knows HOW MANY TIMES on this season. It goes like this: Everything's just peachy keen until Luke doesn't get what LUKE wants. When that happens, he does/says something misogynistic/dishonest/controlling/manipulative, which is EMOTIONAL ABUSE. Then, when he's called out on it, he 'apologizes', he says he'll never do it again, he says what he thinks Hannah or the guys want to hear, but not what he really, truly thinks. He seems contrite, he then starts to be more 'reasonable' with the guys, or he's more loving & caring with Hannah, then things settle down a little, & almost start to SEEM to get better. Then, once everyone's guard is down --- BOOM! He does it AGAIN! That's b/c he never had ANY intention of changing b/c he never thought he was wrong! He always sees himself as the victim of other people's 'misunderstandings'. Recall how many times Luke said he'd been 'misunderstood' or 'misconstrued'. That is ABUSER CODE for: I didn't do anything wrong, & you're to blame b/c you obviously have accused me of something I didn't say or do. YOU misunderstood ME. It's YOUR fault!
THAT is the cycle of abuse, & this season of The Bachelorette was a classic case study in toxic male, controlling behavior. I used to work at a women's shelter for survivors of domestic violence. Luke IS the guy we were always on the lookout for. Luke's the one these women ran from & were hiding from, in fear for their lives. Watch the season again, if you can stomach it, & notice how difficult a time Luke had controlling his temper. Notice how, even on Men Tell All, he got SO quiet, for SO long, as Chris Harrison waited for him to answer. Everyone was asking, what took him so long to answer? I'll tell you what took him so long. He was SEETHING on the inside, but he didn't want to expose his true self in public, & he was doing EVERYTHING he could to calm himself down before he flipped out in front of the entire country! Abusive men are notorious for being known in the public eye as SUCH stand-up guys! They do all they can to manipulate the perception that others have of them. They can't blow up in public, b/c then, when their wife or girlfriend accuses them of violence or emotional abuse, people might believe them. No. Part of an abuser's MO is to remain VERY controlled in public if at all possible. But the more toxic they are, the less they're able to hide it. Luke's body slamming the other Luke was a classic example of that. He couldn't control himself. Notice how many times he clenched his fist during confrontations. Notice how he SCREAMED & stood over Garrett in a threatening manner. Luke is accustomed to getting Luke's way, PERIOD. And when he doesn't get his way, he's abusive.
If Hannah & Luke had met in a regular dating situation? He'd have swept her off her feet, been her Prince Charming, her Southern Gentleman, for the first few weeks/months. Along the way, once he's more sure he's got her hooked, he'd start mentioning her clothes -- I like when you wear this, I don't like it so much, sweetheart, when you wear that. He'd start protesting about her hanging out with her friends, but he'd couch it in that he just misses her so much when she's not with him. He'd sulk if she wanted to spend time with her family, saying he wants her to focus on being a family with HIM. He'd begin the process of isolating her. After he's got her torn down, her self-esteem a MESS, her support system in tatters, THAT'S when he'd really let his temper come out. First, it's mean comments, then it's raising his voice, then it's outright yelling, then it's name calling, then it's shoving/pushing, punching the wall, then it's a slap, next a punch. And all the while, he'll blame her for MAKING HIM SO MAD THAT HE COULDN'T HELP HIMSELF. And he'll apologize, crying, afterwards, he'll say he'll change, it'll never happen again. He'll shower her with gifts & attention. He'll say how much he loves her.
Folks, THAT'S NOT LOVE. And IMO, Hannah was SPOT ON to call it out so strongly, to look into the camera at the end of the show & say that she deserves better & to apologize for bringing that kind of toxic behavior into our households. [I realize Luke has not been accused of domestic violence against women -- at least not that I know of. But believe me when I say, he will. Unless he gets professional help soon & dedicates himself to healing, HE WILL.]
And anyone trying to defend Luke in these comments or even this video really has done a disservice to young women (& GOOD men) everywhere.
Mic drop.
I swear Ashley iaconetti has been on a crusade for the past few years, probably since Rachel season, against anybody black, that possibly could have become the next Bachelor! I never heard her speak highly of Wills or Reed who was completely lovable, she never liked Rachel, I remember her talking down on Eric bigger, and now she doesn't like Mike. There is a pattern and that pattern leads to she is a racist!!!
Nik Ki there have been very few black people that have gotten any screen time on this franchise and Ashley has never really liked any of them. 🤔
@Nik Ki Not reaching when Ashley makes it so obvious. Ashley fans aren't gonna admit it, but it's obvious. I'm just calling it what it obviously is.
Um... Ashley I bullied Kelsey on her season and Cayla on BIP! She is such a hypocrite!!!
👏👏👏EXACTLY! Ashley has been the Biggest FEMALE bully in the franchise.
I agree
So Mike is not what he seems. Tyler for bachelor please.
I’m not a fan of Luke P but the way they treated him and allowed things to be said over and over and calling it the Luke P show then when Hannah is talking to peter and she states 4 times in a windmill and Chris Harrison says Luke Ps head just exploded is terrible! Yes he’s misunderstood and he may not use his words correctly and go back and forth but he’s 24 still growing and who is anyone trying to criticize his Christianity! If he is such a big Christian and is so big on following the Bible and the Lord then he shouldn’t have went on the show to begin with but again if he is new in his Christianity he has to grow and learn in that as well and NO ONE not ABC or whomever should ever be ashamed to shame him in that! Not a fan of Ashley I either!! She’s beyond annoying and she talks so much shit about bachelorette and bachelors but she yet forgets about her journey on and off with guys and being DUMPED numerous times!
Quick comment: I’m proud of you Ashley that you’re not crying and crying and crying and crying for attention anymore.
You’re a normal person now!!
That was HILARIOUS when Luke went in line with the other 3 phoney guys left at the rose ceremony.
Luke was the only reason to watch this season - Go Team Luke !!!
Luke is not a child who needs his hand held. 24 is plenty old enough to hold him accountable for his actions. He certainly knows not to lie and not to physically encounter other people like he did playing rugby.
Good job Ashley and Daniella for calling out the bullying of the bully!
its funny because as bad as Luke is about saying things and contradicting them ten seconds later, Trisha is just as bad, if not worse at doing the exact same thing during these recaps...
Ashley spoke to Mike for 2 minutes and all of a sudden she’s on the Mike hate train 😂 A lot of people don’t like Ashley cause they think all of those things about her also and I’ve never been one to judge her so I won’t judge Mike cause she doesn’t like him. He seems like a genuine guy to me. I really don’t think Ashley likes black people in general I remember a lot of her comments that she’s made about a lot of people of color that has been in the franchise 🤔 That girl does not have one black friend and I can see why. She’s very judgemental
Because you need to have a black friend to not dislike black people? Thank you, your point of view here seems pretty clear.
Interesting. Thanks for the review. I’m going to pay close attention to that. I thought it was just me but I noticed that too.
Toni Brooks I’ve noticed it for a while but didn’t wanna believe it cause I liked her 😂 It probably started for her when she was on Chris Soules season and had to deal with Kelsey. Her circle of friends are Nick, Tanner & Jade so I think on to something 😩
exactly she has been like this with every black person on the show,she even asked jasmine from nicks season if whether nick was asked by the producers to give rachel a first impression rose .
Unathie Mdala yes I remember that comment. She use to shade the hell out of Rachel also. Nick is one of her bestfriends also so it’s like she knows her circle couldn’t handle a person of colors personality so she would always hate on them low key. Kelsey might have traumatized her 😂
The network has been slipping every since the Arie Becca episode!!!!
yes !!
I really enjoyed Colton's season although I didn't expect to. He's certainly far more mature than any of the boys here on Hannah's season. When the women started acting up with one another he just got up and walked away. Hannah's season has been like watching primary school kids on a dating show.
I go back and forth. I felt bad... but he also did NOTHING to ameliorate the situation. If he'd been like "I was a little too possessive. I've got a long way to go. I'm sorry for the way I treated Hannah and the guys." I'd sympathise... instead he remained sexist and narcissistic and condescending and posed and endlessly tried to defend his actions instead of giving a sincere realistic no bullshit apology. Like at that point people aren't bullying, they're trying to help you understand how you affected them.
Sure Hannah's end thing was immature... but also ... this guy demeaned and disrespected her and made this whole season negative for viewers everywhere and tbh... I'd feel bad for letting that happen to. A lot of people hated her for being "dumb" and keeping him there and "ruining the season" despite her being a victim of his manipulation.
Agree with you ladies on the bullying point!
Thank you Ashley. You have always been one of my people in bachelor nation. I have always wanted Luke P gone due to knowing he was not the man for Hannah, and how he behaves. I really found how they handled the Luke's situation at men's tell all distasteful. I feared watching any of my favorite bachelor people programs for a couple days because I didn't think I could handle you all being mean as well. It's with great relief that am writing this today. I don't know if I'll watch the show again but I'll always be your fan!😄
this is the first episode where i actually agree with ashley it was too much aggression towards luke , and i didnt get a very good impression on mike he was the first to create drama with cam then with luke he comes across a bit arrogant
I really liked Mike until he started diagnosing Luke (narcissist, psychopath). Mike is not a psychologist. Don't throw those words around, Mike. I hate when people use armchair psychology, and do not know what they are talking about.
@@DN-nm4rl yes this is exactly how i feel about hi too , he was great around hannah but with the boys he was acting like the protector of the house
The fact that historically racist Ashley I. is attempting to ruin Mike's reputation with ZERO tangible or audible proof is absolutely disgusting, and a new low... even for her.
Miss Ebony she’s trying to do what now??!!!
Ashley has a history of being racist, sexist and manipulative. I can't understand why they give such a horrible person a platform for interviews
At what point in the video did she talk about mike? I missed it. Plz
Ashley again I feel is a FOLLOWER “I know people in paradise who feel how I feel about him” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 Ashley still comes across like the 24 year old on Chris Soles season but more annoying. She doesn’t want a black Bachelor period and it’s so apparent
I'm glad I ain't the only one who sees it.
Miss Conceiteality I agree 100%! She is in your face about that. Not surprised, with the political climate the way it is, people are truly showing their true feelings about race and are bold about it.
I'm black but don't want Mike as bachelor. It's just something about him that just doesn't do it for me. Coupled with the snitching he did during the show. Always had something to say about the other guys like Cam and Luke to Hannah. He's the white knight of the show (the best friend) not the Bachelor.
Peggy Boateng I don’t always like everything he has to say or some of his choices but he is a well spoken gentleman for the most part. Why does the black bachelor have to be super perfect when we have had mediocre white bachelors ?
she has always disliked black people.
it makes me so annoyed when people see someone as a victim in situations that they created!!!! if luke didn’t behave the way he did none of the confronting would have happened.
Alyssa Grove - You’re all heart.
True but there is a difference between confronting and degrading and bullying someone back. He most definitely had to be confronted about his behaviour but enough is enough.
Confronting and bullying are two different things. By bullying they proved they are no different in character than him. Why stoop to his level. Totally uncalled for
I love how when y’all are spilling tea you lower your voice as if we can’t hear you still 😂😂😂
It really bothers me when people throw around the term bullying. Luke was not bulled. People called him out for his actions and then told him that they will accept his apology when his actions match his words. The men deciding not to immediately accept his apology was valid because they have heard Luke lie to his face before. No one said they had no hope for him. They said they hope he matures and sees he is not being misconstrued but instead being held accountable. He was not bullied.
Agreed! He lied, manipulated and judged the whole season. He’s getting called out for it. That’s all.
Having a witch-hunt against a person is bullying. We get the point already. Leave him in the dust and move forward. Agree with Daniella and Ashley on this one.
EXACTLY
I was a high school teacher and had to take many classes on bullying and identifying bullying ... and what happened to Luke was not bullying. Luke has been disrespectful to the other men all season and now to Chris Harrison ...as well as Hannah (by not accepting her decision to be sent home). And we I am trying to feel sorry for Luke bc he is so off balance and has no self awareness, but it is almost impossible. He led the other men to the breaking point, and l am shocked that one of them did not actually punch him out.
It was textbook bullying. The same kind that causes people to suicide.
Agreed.i was uncomfortable with the bullying oh Luke P on the show and the lack of focus on other men issues. It wasn’t the Men Tell All. It was Luke Tell All with a sprinkle of Mike smiling... was of time!
14:56 completely agree with your assessment ladies, I see it that way too, 100%. Can't wait to see how it unfolds!
Hi Ladies,
I’m sorry, but I must disagree with y’all on your statement about what Luke said about the man leads his wife. I am a Christian, and it’s in the Bible that the man is the head of his wife. But... I’ve always said;
“ The man is the head, and the woman is the neck that turns the head!” Ashley, I just love you to pieces girl. I’m sooo happy for you & Jared♥️🥰♥️
God Bless Y’all😘
Hannah moving the podium was the one of the best moments in Bachelor history !!! And everyone leave Luke alone, he’ll never have a good image again. It’s all over now thank god hahaha ❤️🇨🇦
Totally disagree about Peter. If he is the sweetest, most affectionate, hard worker, accomplished, why wouldn't this be the best choice? Because this show is impractical! They often pick the assholes who look "good" for TV. Luke totally was bullied. No one expressed empathy but one guy.
Those in the comment section saying it wasnt bullying are the type of people who bullied someone in high school or those who silently watched and enjoyed the other kids getting bullied. Bullying could lead to Suicide and these ppl are okay with it. Wow!
Oh shut up.
"If I'd go back, I wouldn't change a thing".......two minutes later "If I'd go back, I would change lots of things"; say what?? Dude needs help.
Stefano Velasco Muschett it’s called editing.
@@marinaspalate lmfao!! Good one!! Didn't know through "editing" they can make him say something he actually didn't. It's called NOT KNOWING WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND BACK PEDALING WHEN YOU REALIZE YOU JUST SAID THE 1000TH STUPID THING ON INTERNATIONAL TELEVISION FOR THE WORLD TO SEE.
Katie 'Moron' ? Really ? Ashley, you literally hosted one of these recaps with her weeks ago and you got her name right then. What's with the unnecessary pettiness ?
She’s a mean girl and always has been. Catty and pathetic. She better hope for some good karma in her marriage. I wouldn’t be surprised if it fails.
She seems racist.
I think Chris H was smart asking Luke P questions to disclose his thinking was at eg: Do you still love Hannah? Incase they need to protect her in future....everything is on tape....He is just way tooooooo scary (Fist & Knuckle Crack...several times) when he was mumbling....."She doesn't get it" after he was kicked off the show for the third time (Scotland, Fan Suite Night & Finally the Rose Ceremony)
Who filled out Luke P's Physc test prior to going on the show? His sister-in-law entered him to the show....did she complete the physic test?
I just have to say first of all I respect luke for even showing up. But I also have to disagree with everyone on here and Ashley I. and these girls because clearly they don't know what it's like to be bullied at all. I didn't see it they you all are seeing it, the guys are clearly trying to understand why luke was such a bully and confronting him on his issues with them and Hannah so for me they did the right thing. He had so many opportunities to talk and screwed up. If I had the chance to confront or ask my bullies I would take it.
Ashley, is it that hard for you to believe that a black man can be authentic and genuine? How do you judge someone from a 2 minute conversation? Omg, just come out and say it. You have an issue with having a black man as bachelor. The sad part about it is this man is a smart successful decent human being and your ignorance still can’t give him credit. Newsflash Ashley, there are a lot of decent black men out there, it’s people like you that have already prejudged them and can’t open your heart or mind to the fact that they exist. I have listened to you make a lot of negative comments about Mike and persons of color. It’s not a good look for you. I hope you grow as a person.
Toni Brooks - Boy, you people are sure putting words in her mouth, and you’re mind-readers as well are you? Maybe she knows more behind-the-scenes stuff than you do.
stymiedagain Actually I’m giving my opinion and observation based on comments that she has made throughout the season. I seriously doubt she has any behind the scene info especially when most of the men and Hannah had nothing but praises about Mike. How much more behind the scenes can you get? My goodness.
stymiedagain Also “you people”, I think you just proved my point. LOL
Toni- “you people” refers to those who are calling Ashley a racist based on no actual evidence. I don’t know the race of you or anyone else commenting here, but the fact that you jumped to the conclusion that my “you people” comment referred to race, just proves my point. You think you are a mind-reader, but you actually have no clue what’s in the minds of others. You know the expression “ASSUME” makes an ASS of U and ME.
@@stymiedagain she know what? Ashley are so so mean girl with Clare,Caila,Zuchana...call people cougar 31? and sh's so gross and now she can judge sweet Mike i alway's beleive Chris harisson is good and fair man(Demario) after all drama he said chris harrison alway's said the true and is very distinguish and fair man, chris H said many quality about mike and is good bachelor!and hashley now sh's have jared she can go and take a break with her nasty mouth comment about mike all bachelor to this show like mike and want him to be bachelor(dylan,conner,chrisharisson,luke stone)...give sweet mike a break!they stay with mike and knows him!
Good grief...Mike is a clear choice for Bachelor. We get it Ashley, he’s not your type. He doesn’t have to be in order to be Bachelor.
Notice how she provided zero proof while desperately trying to slander him. Everyone knows she's a racist and she's been less than credible so she really thought we would just take her word for it??
Amen!!!!! From the very first episodes in the season she was all against Mike! She never seem to speak highly of Wills Reid last season and she never like Rachel. It's a pattern for her and that pattern leads straight to racism and she should not even be allowed to be a part of Bachelor Nation the way she acts. I cannot stand that girl!
I swear Ashley iaconetti has been crusading to make sure, these past few years, that there is not going to be a black bachelor anytime in the near future. That is racist and should be stopped! She should not be allowed to be a part of Bachelor Nation if she's going to act in that way. All the guys from Hannah season speak very highly of Mike! In fact they seem to think he definitely should be the next Bachelor!
he lied to hannah about cam saying he wanned a pitty rose , that was my only issue with mike other than that he was fun
Keeping Life Flowing she should worry about her bunions!!!
I Love how classy and Kind Connor is.
Now we know why Ashley was never a bachelorette
Ofcourse Ahley defending him.
She WAS the OBSESSIVE bully for months and months towards Caila and every girl She just doent like to glance at.
Asking a person why He did what he did (physical assault, emotional manipulation, LIES, disregarding physical boundaries, verbal & physical threats).. is NOT bullying.
shabrina - Everyone ganging up on him is a classic case of bullying. The guy’s not a murderer, but everyone is calling him a psychopath. What evidence is there of that? Do people even understand the meaning of the word? A bunch of them have lied, and he did too. Mike misrepresented Cam to Hannah. Cam lied about having a girlfriend, Jed lied, Peter apparently lied. So it makes a person a liar, not a psychopath. That fact that Luke has a problem with a woman he’s in love with having sex (not in her past sexual history, but in the present) with multiple guys, shortly before she possibly might accept a proposal of marriage, doesn’t make him weird. The weird people are the guys who are pretending that’s it’s OK, they just aren’t going to think about, they’re going to block it from their minds. That’s abnormal.
so true sh's so so mean with Clare because sh's date Jared she tell her Cougar(Clare) and to old and her ''eggs'' fertility so low BC Clare have 34? is so so mean and now ashley not young too?30 and more with no kids?Karma is a bitch! and now ashley talk about Mike personnality sh's not impress? are you kidding me???
jigi w For sure .. there are lot of people you meet that you’re not impressed.. There’s nothing wrong with that .. it’s a vibe.. why judge Ashley for that
@@stymiedagain
1.) When you TACKLED a nonchalant guy at the side of the field where theres no ball or anybody at all for no apparent reason at all.. its a safe assumption that one might be PSYCHO.
2.) When someone flips FACTS for a full night for no apparent reason AT ALL, its safe assumption that one might be CRAZY.
3.) When someone clenched his fist UP and readjusting his ONE FIST UP for the ENTIRE NIGHT to a girl He likes telling him politely to leave, violating her personal boundary again with his ONE FIST UP and the biggest dialated eyeball EVER (first sign of people under mental health medication), it is safe to assume that one might be Psycho.
If you couldnt read the room that He was totally gonna hit her had there werent a FULL CREW with Cameras, the You TOO have low social intelligence.
4.) When someone again clenched his ONE FIST UP during a fine greek morning towards 2 guys who were politely asking him to leave, while confronting one girl in the most invasive way possible.. disregarding everything She kept repeating.. it is safe to assume one might be PSYCHO
Im sorry if you cant read that. Pls I want to talk with REAL PEOPLE with REAL ACCOUNT
I agree with Ashley. Mike is overrated. He comes across as very disingenuous to me
Nah you guys just don’t want a black bachelor. Keep it real and stop horsefooting the real issue. Your racism is showing.
@@UltimateBrody Cause I couldn't possibly have an opinion on another human being that doesn't involve race, right? 🙄
At what point in the video did she talk about mike? I missed it. Plz
Cay Cay Tyler is overrated I love mike and he will be the next bachelor
so happy that we’re all celebrating all our flaws, we use to hide our bunions. I’m so happy to see how far we’ve come
#MikeforBachelor 🌹 Ashley you can take your opinion elsewhere! Mike doesn’t need to impress you in order to be the Bachelor🤷🏽♀️Who do you think you are?🙄
Princesse Ray I cant stand her she’s so racist and it’s so obvious mike is awesome everyone loves him
His long pauses made me think that he was holding in his anger. Also his tendency to clench his fist throughout the season made me worry. I think he needs help. Agree that we need to back off on the bullying of Luke P. He also seems delusional.
so true i'm very very worried for Hannah when sh's send him home and is going to hurt her?he alway's do something very strange with is hand? this man need help i think!
Deborah Hill, Delusional is another name for his mental health. I'm wondering if they need to do more screening of the contestants. We've already seen his anger a number of times. He needs to go home and seek some help.
i suspect he was praying in between the questions to get strength from God and say the right thing.
I’m sorry, but l can not feel badly for Luke bc he just doesn’t get it . He was sooo rude to Chris H when he had the nerve to say “ think about what you are saying” Chris had steam coming out of his ears, but he let it go. Luke is an immature, entitled child who has a lot of growing up to do and anger issues to work out. The only thing that Luke did right was to say “.. l admit l lied “to the other Luke ... and l think the only reason was that that was caught on tape. Luke dished it out all season and the others had to take it ... they finally reached their breaking point and who could blame them?
I was so excited at the very beginning that it was just going to be Ashley and the other girl this episode but sure enough it comes back to the annoying blonde girl sitting on the couch 🙄
Kory Hiers I was the same way! All the comments show they don’t like her but they keep bringing her back.
I disagree I think when Devin came to talk to Luke he said very wise words and made sense
Kyleigh Katona oh yes! Whoops! They both have similar voices and I was just listening to the video and not watching it hahahah. Thanks for the correction
there is a time and place for everything , that time was for luke to explain himself uninterrupted , they had the entire show to do that
God cares. And you people should read the Bible and read what sex was made for. So on judgement day will you stand before God and tell him so what God, who cares, it's just sex?
Daniella is going to be a great mother
saw the thumbnail and was like ‘is that Daniella?’ and clicked and was like yayyy love her.
completely agree about this bullying the bully thing. it was ridiculous
I do not like Mike! He flat out lied about saying Cam literally said he wanted a pitty rose and no one else there has said that was ever said. He just took what he felt about what Cam said and told Hannah that it was exactly what Cam said. And I was NOT a Cam fan! I lost all respect for Mike after that.
yes i thought so too !
I know right that blew me too. No one liked Cam too. The way he crashed a group date. He wasn't respectful to the guys. But what Mike did saying he wanted a pity rose was a uncalled for.
I agree with Ashley! I am not impressed with Mike!
I agree I see through him, even his tweets show he is trying hard.
I say Matteo for next Bachelor.
She said on Ellen she is in Love with Bradley Cooper in the STAR IS BORN.
JED is her Bradley Cooper. ( Same clothes everytime)
Wow nice comparison...but the truth is thay she was engaged to jed at the finally ..and the hanna...broke the engagement after filming coz jeds real life drama ......so in other words hanna is SINGLE...sad..see u at the finally next week .coz it will be...juicy ..dramatic ...climmatic ...
LUKE P WAS ON THE WRONG SHOW. It is as simple as that. They cast him thinking he'll either make Hannah happy or cause lots of drama. Luke was also used to getting any girl he wants and rarely had guys that were on his level or better compete with him. It's like the kid from the small town that goes to an Ivy League and realizes they're actually below average compared to all these people. I agree with the person that said they kept throwing around clinical terms when they're not qualified to say stuff like that. After all that being said, hopefully Luke will learn to humble his fucking self a little bit and that having good intentions doesn't mean you're not a stalker. The idea of "the one that got away" is total shit. It teaches guys and girls to be persistent, despite being shot down. It's not romantic, it's disrespectful. If I'm mature enough, I'm not gonna send you away to test your love for me.
Idk but these reviews aren’t entertaining or worth waiting for anymore. It’s as if someone is forcing Ashley and the host to speak, no chemistry between those two, information is unorganized and not accurate at times (Katie has black hair not blonde). I used to definitely look forward but I can’t anymore lol. Wanted to leave an honest review for a possibility in improving this segment. 😊
Fidline not only does Katie have dark hair but she also has dark skin. How the heck do they confuse her with a blonde white woman? Embarrassment
Nadalee Natasha EXACTLY !!!!! Like wtf 😂😂😂😂
I like Luke so much and I feel so bad for Luke. The other men gaslight and provoke Luke hoping he will react. It’s so hard to watch.
I thought Luke said he didn’t mean save in a religious way... I thought he corrected and said from the men... not any better but still haha
The best move moving .. podium .. classic ...
I agree- I thought the apology at the end of MTA was over the top.
He is a grown man and you are defending him???
rosa flora you are wrong, we do not want him to burn at the stakes, he is an adult grown up Christian, he had choices, lots of choices, he was unable to control people’s reactions and frankly he was strong enough that he was not concerned with what people thought. Kindly answer the question is it appropriate to react with a clenched fist?
rosa flora you’re so right. This whole ordeal showed me bachelor nation are All a bunch of followers who think the same.
It's surprising how ignorant these reporters are to christian faith. Luke is a christian, his doctrine is not meant to be "normal" to pagans. What he says is all completely off the books and protected by the biggest faith in this country. His image is as a golden child of the christian community, he literally fought the devil and remained true to his faith; you know how many hot christian chicks are melting over this.
In the bible a man is meant to lead the household, christian women see the value in this. The story of Hosea could be an influence to luke.
Lastly, what pagans don't understand is that people of faith have a power that is above anything worldly, this dude could be truthfully empowered by God and common people will never understand.
mark k exactly. love your comments!
Ashley I: Stop bullying
Also Ashley I: constantly bullying throughout the whole interview
Tay Ray she’s fake and a racist
A man leading his wife is biblical. He wasn't miss taught if anything that is the one thing he said that made the most since.
Don't know if he'll be able to decipher between "leading" and "controlling" once the time comes. That's probably my concern.
V-Ron Rosco the problem is the way Luke thinks leadership of a family looks. Jesus came as a servant leader, laying himself down for the church, leading by example and inviting people follow him. Luke think leading looks like telling his wife what he expects of her and then shaming her when she “messes up”. That is toxic and the complete opposite of that a Christian marriage should look.
@@cassandraingraham8690 I agree with you :)
Cassandra Ingraham he’s talking about marriage basically lol😆
The bible is a work of fiction why should we care
The girl in the white pants is she the girl from the show victorious?
does the blonde in the white bug anyone else?
Gisselle Carrillo she always seems like she would rather be elsewhere
As christians in a marriage, the husband IS to lead to be examples.. the roles are set but the couple is still equal in honor and respect and value.