AMD Ryzen 9 7900X Review: Needs To Be Cheaper, Just Get 7950X
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00:00 - Welcome back to Hardware Unboxed
02:12 - Test System Specs
03:16 - Clock frequency behaviour
03:57 - Cinebench R23
04:39 - 7-Zip File Manager
05:14 - Blender Open Data
05:27 - Corona 1.3 Benchmark
05:41 - Adobe Premiere Pro 2022
05:57 - Adobe Photoshop 2022
06:16 - Adobe After Effects 2022
06:33 - Chromium Code Compile
06:51 - Factorio
07:14 - Watch Dogs: Legion
07:25 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Extraction [Vulkan]
07:39 - Hitman 3
07:54 - Tiny Tina's Wonderlands [DX12]
08:24 - F1 22 [DX12]
08:46 - Spider-Man Remastered
09:05 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider
09:22 - Horizon Zero Dawn
09:43 - Cyberpunk 2077
10:07 - Assetto Corsa Competizione
10:21 - The Riftbreaker [DX12]
10:41 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
10:57 - 12 Game Average
11:16 - Power Consumption
11:56 - Cooling Performance
13:46 - Cost per Frame CPU
14:11 - Cost per Frame CPU + RAM + MB
15:09 - Cost per Frame CPU + RAM +MB (Cinebench)
15:39 - Cost per Frame CPU + RAM + MB (Premiere)
15:58 - Final Thoughts
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AMD Ryzen 9 7900X Review
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You keep saying gamers would be better off just going with a 7600X or 7700X but wouldn't they really be better off with a 5800X3D or 12700K/ 12600K and save hundreds going with a budget board and DDR4? That they could then put those savings towards a better GPU which would actually make a considerable performance difference in gaming? Idk just seems Zen4 for gamers right now isn't worth it whatsoever at least the value gamers that's for sure.
Of course gamers would be better off going with a 5800X3D or a 12600K/12700K and a budget board/DDR4. Most gamers wouldn't see anything close to this performance difference between CPU's because they're not using 3090ti's lol. You're MUCH better off getting the cheaper platform and using that extra money to get a better GPU hands down no question. Zen 4 is complete butt right now in terms of gaming value.
Ngl the 7600X is pretty DOA when you can save a couple hundred and get a i7-12700, B660 board, and DDR4 for a couple hundred less and get better productivity performance and comparable gaming performance. It's going to be even worse when 13th gen comes out. 13600K is gunna be a 14 core 20 thread CPU now? vs a 6 core 12 thread 7600X? And you can use current B660/ Z690 boards and DDR4 saving all that cash? Idk man AMD is in a pretty rough spot on the low end.
last month I got a b560m motherboard for $59 Canadian, and i7 10700 8 core 16 thread CPU for $209 Canadian, and last week I got an RX 6700xt on sale for $429 Canadian. I also got 64 GB of ddr4 3200 MHz ram for $89 Open Box Sale... people should definitely start looking at deals like that.
Yes, because its smart to buy into a dead-end plat...
Seems like AMD is purely relying on people adopting the 7600X and 7700X based on their track record of long-term support like AM4 because I can't see any other reason to get either of those CPU's right now given the poor value. But then again AMD only said they would support this to 2025 which is just over 2 years.... So what is that just 1 more platform? I mean they could support it longer but saying 2025 isn't that enticing if I'm being honest.
just got my 5900x for 300usd... guess i wont be upgrading until socket AM6
i wonder what AM6 would look like
Why? Amd will support the AM5 socket for many generations.
Me too 💪
@@geiers6013 maybe he only upgrades very rarely
Epic fail
Thanks for not rushing in with reviews, and taking it one by one. Great, detailed job, as always! Looking forward for the motherboards :)
95c is NOT good for computer components period. Idc what the company says, those are WAY over space heater temps 🤷🏾♂️. Intel has the cooler, faster, cheaper cpu. Definitely the easy choice here
@@mackdaddypeypey1 What really matters is power consumption; just because the CPU reaches 95c doesn't mean that it's a nuclear furnace the way some components are. Passively cooled components can reach high temperatures even though they are very low power parts, because they're passively cooled.
And frankly, this has to be the logical conclusion of any form of true boosting algorithm. On Zen2 and Zen3, people have always wondered why their CPU doesn't run faster when it has thermal headroom. With Zen4, AMD has apparently been able to tweak the algorithm such that it automatically runs as hard as it possibly can for any given workload, meaning there is virtually 0 performance left on the table(and overclocking might also be completely pointless).
I don't have an issue with Intel doing this either, as long as the power consumption numbers are mostly acceptable.
@@mackdaddypeypey1 ??? Intel boost Up to 105 degrees.
^ true
@@mackdaddypeypey1 ??? Intel is not faster, you Miss Out the Points, you can save a few Bugs on Intel by using DDR4. But If you do, you lose 10%.
A power-target benchmark would be very interesting, seeing how those Zen4-CPU's hold up with 105, 90 and 65W, something around those numbers. I also would be interested in a deep-dive into coolers. Do the old towercoolers suffice (also taking sound into consideration)? Can you put a Noctua D15 (AM4 edition) on AM5 without a extra kit? Such things.
agree
I saw some mentions that someone has done this already but can't remember who. Saw it on another review. I believe it was pretty decent.
@@farmeunit I still have to check but people under previous videos said Gordon from PCWorld did test the eco mode.
Ian from TechtechPotato during his liveshow didn't show any result for this but was very enthusiastic that at 65W TDP the multicore perf is moderately reduced but the single core perf is unchanged. He said 7950X in eco 65W was still better than a 12900K and for him this is the way he will use those Zen 4 CPUs.
For the cooler compatibility, AFAIK Ian said he was using a Noctua D15 with no issue but he warned to be careful to wait until vendors provide kits for incompatible coolers. Roman "DerBauer" has several compatibility issues when delidding or installing his subzero cooling pot. Roman also gets a huge 20Kelvin gain by delidding and applying liquid metal and said that this height compatibility with a thicker IHS may become an issue for future AM5 competitiveness.
@@farmeunit i think optimum tech did some tuning to a 7700x and a 7950x. got thermals down by about 20 degrees
@@maximus3294 TechYes dropped 300 Mhz and dropped 40C, I believe. Maybe there was a voltage drop, as well. I think from default to. 985.
One of the reasons why the 5900x was so popular was that it had the cheapest price/core ratio and was great at everything.
That price drop on the 7950x makes it real appealing. My brother in law just bought one lmao. I remember Zen 3 being so expensive at launch (if you could get one) and prices have came waaaay down. A 5900x at $350 is such a baller deal right now though it's hard to recommend Zen 4 currently for someone upgrading from a way older system.
I don't like it when UA-camrs are telling you what CPU to buy personally. I look at the data, look at what I'm doing and make my own judgements.
The two Steves always used to hate on AMD 8 core parts, but that's always one of the most popular one according to sales data, so obviously a lot of people ignore the commentary, just like me.
"Just buy the 7950X"
Why? I don't need a 16 core part. If 8 cores weren't enough for what I do I'd jump to the 12 core part. AMD has actually spaced out the pricing pretty appropriately for Zen 4, and it looks like the 7900X is often giving the best performance per core. That's actually spread out more in Zen 4 depending on what you're doing and that's a good thing. For Zen 3 the 5800X was the best part for perf./core but it wasn't the cheapest.
But why should I care about cheapest for perf/core if it's overkill for what I do?? I'm still spending more money than I need to that I could use to put into a GPU, where universally reviewers have said is the smartest thing to do, until they do a CPU review and make a stupid statement like "buy the 7950X".
And that's why I don't subscribe to these channels. The data they put out in the charts is good, but the commentary? I don't want their opinion. I know WTF I'm doing.
@@madgodzilla12465 Yeah they dropped the prices because AMD has been making a KILLING off of server and game console sales. So, they could afford to make less profit off Zen 3 Ryzen.
There's no way in hell I spend $700 for a CPU when an 8 core CPU is what I need based on years of understanding of WTF I do on my system.
@@johndoh5182 because the 7950x is better than the 7900x
My 5900X is the greatest CPU I have ever owned. Bought it in mid 2021 for $380. No reason to buy into Zen 4 or AM5 just yet. Zen 5 though, I'll be waiting
The title itself alone says how different and valuable this channel then most of the rest. No clickbait, clear sentence summarizing the the whole video. You are one of the best ...
I also appreciate non-caps in the title. so unnecessary and obviously just attention seeking. and obviously the content is top-notch. this is indeed one of the best channels on YT.
The B-roll is a testament to "Hey look! No pins!". Looking forward to seeing if these IHSs can be shrunk/thinned, would be great if we can do that by Zen 4 3D
Not technically what you asked for but I believe derbauer has recently delidded a zen4 chip and used direct die cooling, you might find it interesting 🙂
@@soggycatgirl Thanks! Yeah his video was was got me onto the 'thick IHS' mindset, idk we'll see what gets invented in time
@@conza1989 DerBauer said it was to keep the height compatibility with AM4 coolers. So this is certainly not something AMD will change for future AM5 CPUs but we will probably see aftermarket thin IHS.
@@PainterVierax I'm sure I'm not alone in the community when I say I'll gladly take a fat IHS over having to buy a new cooler. It might run warmer as a result, but Optimum Tech has an excellent video on tweaking these chips to run up to 30⁰ cooler with minimal performance loss.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 I was on the same boat as cooler mounting was one of the reason why I didn't jump on AM4 in 2017.
That being said, that compatibility feature shouldn't be AMD's concern as serious brands always provide kits for new sockets. Although buying a new budget cooler is not a huge cost, way less expensive than new RAM dimms.
edit: Also the PCO tuning presented by Optimum Tech can provide even more large performance gains if the IHS was thinner. AMD is known to be very conservative on stock curve since decades but PCO results like any OC /UV are silicon lottery dependent though.
Hope you understand but i don't usually have time to watch the whole video here, and i feel like watching one of the Zen 4 reviews gives me enough context to be able to comfortably skip the benchmarks and get straight to the cost per frame and conclusion. The timestamps are a godsend is what I'm trying to say.
once you/we are through all these initial launch-tests I would really be interested in the "what options you have in the real world at what tradeoffs"-test (c) 😉
So e.g. comparing the mid-range 7900 and 7700 (one or two dies - with differnt cooling-challenges maybe?) with other cooling solutions than top end 360 AiO on an open bench - like a Noctua/beQuiet air-cooler in a silent-case -> what performance do you loose?
Or using the "Eco-mode" (I think AMD called it) ... what power/temp you end up with then... and is it maybe the more reasonable mode for these Zen4 for everyday use?
... etc.
Hey Steve, thanks for the review, well done.
Have you thought about adding cpu platform comparison section to the cpu reviews? Or maybe a separate video comparing the platform features? The cpu choice might be depending on the platform, especially when considering cpus for content creation or workstations. IE the X670 chipset has only 2x 4 pcie lanes worth of bandwidth for storage (z690 has 3x 4lanes)while using the primary gpu slot.
I would love to see a full benchmark run from any single ryzen 7000 chip with the same undervolt optimum tech published. So can getting that 20c drop impact Performace either way.
Keep up the great work!
That video was sick!
Undervolt is like overclock, it may work on some chips, but it may crash on others using the same settings, so it's stupid to test that since not everyone will get the same result, it's just misleading
It's best to do overclock tests on a largeish sample of retail CPUs, otherwise you get golden samples that buyers won't experience.
Perhaps it could be a community project?
@@lhv2k not really there was other youtube as well who underclocked and got great results. Dropped 20°c with little to no performance loss I think it was tech city. Maybe they all got best silicon? Even then you could probably drop 10
@@spookyskellyskeleton609 techyes did he same thing undervolted and got a cooler cpu and same speed.
Thanks for these reviews Steve. I am really looking forward to your motherboard reviews before buying as they were really helpful when choosing on AM4. I hope you have time to check some out before the next wave of GPU or Intel CPUs launch.
For me the higher motherboard prices are partially offset by knowing I can keep it for 4 years and drop in a 3d Cache 7800X later. The RAM likewise will last vs if you were to buy an AM4 system new today.
Hopefully post 13th gen reviews the AMD prices will come down a bit too. The 7900X and 7700X are already €50 here in Europe and are still in stock 3 days post launch
At the Cost per Frame chart, you should take $100 off of the RAM for the 5800x3d as it doesn't care much about RAM speed, DDR4-3600 only gained 7.2% performance over DDR4-2133. 3600 c14 vs c16 is less than a percentage difference in performance, and a c16 can be picked up for $100 instead of $200 for c14. This would put the cost per frame at 4.49 for the 5800x3d.
And this is without considering cpu cooler differences.
If the 5800x3d truly doesn't care about RAM, there are 3200mhz cl16 kits selling for under 50 bucks like every day. And if that only costs you 1% or something compared to faster RAM, then it makes sense.
Yeah not a fan of most of the price per frame charts, you dont need expensive ddr4 or even a motherboard for pervious gens. He puts in high cost for older platforms to make the new one not seem so bad.
@@Gomes862 You don't need a lot of things for a computer - like a case, just nail it to some cardboard. Youll probably still get one though.
@@RyanApplegatePhD Very funny, but still ignoring overspending on the ram and mobo as he did on lower end, and cheating out on the higher end to bring that down
Man getting the 5800x3D was such a great choice especially considering how cool it runs even on heavy loads (never gets hotter than 50C)
I am building a new machine. I plan to get the 7700x and a b650 MoBo and then wait for the 7800x 3d... the 5800 3d looks tempting, but I don't want to pull the trigger in a platform that doesn't have any upgrades pathway
The x3D is B2 stepping and the cache can help efficiency, the GN review highlighted that.
@@Games_and_Tech Similar issue, the AM5 platform looks good, I simply don't find upgrading to an x3D is cost effective. OTOH I can wait to upgrade.
Optimum Tech video on configuring platform thermal limit and PPT with undervolt is worth seeing.
The thermal throttle isn't giving reviewers ways to feel good about their monster cooling systems.
5800x 3d was a super smart choice !!!!
@@nuclearpcs2139 only game not prodectivity
Hopefully soon you will be able to benchmark all the new CPU's and GPU's which will give us a clear picture of the improvements in the latest gen of products. More late nights coming up for you Steve.
from your graphs the interesting cpu for gaming is the 7700x (but not really knowing there should be an x3d version of it)
also, i know you all test as they come from the factory but there are huge gains to be had just by using the PBO2 curve optimizer. early adopters will have to deal with 90°c and more.
i cant wait for the heavy discounted prices of the 5800x3d no new gen for me for at least a couple of years
Love to see the 5800X3D still holding its own on the charts.
Yep can't wait for the 7800x3d!
Well here in Canada, 7950x $1050, 7900x $740 and 7700x $550... so ya 5900x at $490 looks like a good upgrade. Plus AM5 board prices are very steep right now like $400 for a basic board!!!
wanted to upgrade from a x570 asus crosshair to x670 here and the price has risen from 470(at release now 430) to 770$ for the "same" model motherboard I think brands are going to be greatly disappointed by sales judging from the comments, every board has enthusiast high-end price now
Over in the UK the prices are £590 and £800 which means the 7950X is 35% more expensive instead of the 27% you get between $550 and $700 (if this is the correct dollar price). You can save £100 on the motherboard if you get a B650 over a X670 but I'm not sure if you'd want a 7900X on a B650 so if you're also spending extra on the motherboard perhaps it still makes sense to go for the 7950X/X670 or the 7700X/B650?
Zen 4 is not worse than Zen 3 in performance per watt. To properly compare that metric, you have to run them at the same power level. Since you can't get Zen 3 up to a 170W TDP, that means running Zen 4 at a 105W TDP, where it will still greatly outperform Zen 3. It will still outperform Zen 3 at a 65W TDP as well, even when Zen 3 has a 105W TDP.
Being able to squeeze out an extra 10% performance by using an amount of power that Zen 3 can't reach doesn't make Zen 4 less efficient. It makes it more scalable.
Most people don't seem to understand this simple statement. Efficiency is given by performance-power graph/curve not just by no. of points/frames per watt. If you run 7950x at 105w TDP (without undervolt) you can get it to be 42% more power efficient than 5950x. If you run 5950x or 5900x with PBO, it will increase your power consumption a looooot but will only give like 5-10% boost over stock which means zen 3 doesn't scale well with higher power consumption.
They're gonna benchmark these with lower power levels, for sure. Steve commented in one of the review videos that they don't do these kinds of tests in review videos, that's post-launch content. It kind of makes sense to me as this is the default configuration that AMD decided to go with but of course it would be better if we also had ECO modes tests here.
Literally This.
A few things, AMD changed the TDP formula between zen 3 and 4. The TDP numbers are rubbish. Take a consistent work load, blender, measure the power draw at the EPS cable, and time taken per unit worked. You could make it anything 1 frame, 5 frames etc. I'm pretty sure GN tested this too and found a 5950x was more efficient vs the 7950.
This isn't a review of Zen 4 the architecture, it's a review of this CPU. That means testing the CPU's default behaviour and evaluating it, not fiddling with the settings to find favourable results which 99.99% of people will never do.
Im in dire need of a new workstation / gaming rig and am torn between the 7900x /7950x or using a 7700x temporarily for streaming and building a cheap stream PC later
I'm going with AMD for my new build. This will be my first ever non-Intel build. Already have my mobo (X670E Crosshair Hero). Now, just need to decide on the CPU. Great video, mate!!
Could you please test next the motherboards? not only the mid-range ones for instance like Tomahawk and other but also a high end ones like Carbon? if its realy worth to pay that extra cash. thank you and thumbs up for an amazing content again guys.
Awesome work, thanks for all your efforts!
You guys should do an curve optimization video with these new chips.
Looking forward to the 4k benchmarks.
I'm really looking forward to a video of 7950x vs Zen 3 threadripper!
I would love to see the same ryzen 7000 processors review at 65W.
Are you guys able to do DCS ( Digital Combat Simulator ) game. It would be a great test. It likes to use just one core most of the time and it would give a bit more insight to how single core would perform while also expanding on a huge market
Outro music is nice....good review.
Hi Steve. Will you be exploring undervolting these CPUs?
I know Brian from techyescity did one but he only used the 7950x (but it was in impressed result.) I'm interested more in the 7600x or the 7700x (when the prices of the ram and boards come down in price).
motherboards will barely budge judging from my x570 crosshair dark hero, here it came down from 470$ at release to 430$ today and it's x670 version is now 770$ !!!
@@fredEVOIX oh damn.. lol maybe a 5600 and a new gpu, could be the way to go for me..
like many have already said I think I’ll stick with AM4 and try 5800x3d before seeing what the x3d versions of AM5 can do. if adding vcache can add 10-15 percent to gaming performance I would rather pay premium for that than current performance over 5000 series. As I currently have x570 and 3000 series cpu I don’t see the value in dumping MB, and memory when functionally I can get most of the performance for 430$ rather than expensive memory, MB and cpu.
Any interest in testing power consumption with PBO2 tweaks as outlined by Optimum Tech?
Really appreciate your hard work guys👍
hi guys, With AMD 7000 running at 95c at boot. Does this make the fan curve on my 360 AIO redundant? Would it now make more sense to run at a fixed RPM? If I don't run them at 100% am I hindering performance? Are we all gonna need low noise fans from now on?
Great review! Thank you
I have one question for you guys at HU regarding games testing methodology, do you perform tests in real in-game locations or in built-in benchmarks? Because the second scenario rarely stresses the cpu properly.
Almost always in game, especially given half these games don't even have a built-in benchmark. Hint: where we test is shown in the top left of the graph.
@@Hardwareunboxed Thank you, great job then.
I currently have a PTT EDC TDC tuned 5700x. I have it running on a thermaltake 120mm aio with push pull fans. At 138w for 2 hours, the AIO reaches 81.5c (i have it running at 95w now).
Id love to see what the 7000 series cpus can do on 120s 240s 360mm AIOs. Considering they wont break 95c id love to see how much the chips can tune themselves to run on inadequate cooling.
Stop focusing on temps for Zen 3, 4, and anything above. Clearly they're designed to redline. If the frequencies are stable, nothing to worry about
Correct. That's my arguement with Zen 4. Zen 3 a little different though. The ONLY reason i have lowered my PTT is due to my dumb decision in 2018 to buy a fake 8 phase VRM gigabyte X470 Aorus ultra gaming. At 138w it doesnt take long for my Mosfets to hit 80c. Im not comfortable with that.
Damm, love the title, concise and to the point!
I truly appreciate the direction of the vid titles these days. Open and honest from the get go
Is there a full version of the outro song somewhere? :)
Sir can you explain are these cpu chips even worth to buy in comparison to 5k series if all i have to do is game (4k gaming) i was planning to buy rysen 9 5950x is it worth to buy 7950x?
I have a question... i don't see anyone responding... when will be avaiable the am5 B650 mobos, and A620?
Great review. Waiting for b650 to come out
it would be nice to see some gaming benchmarks at 1440p, i know gpu would be the main workhorse at that reso but im just curious.
@Steve , 5:23 maybe there is a typo or something... In the Blender test, it is said that the 7900X is a 30 % faster than the 12900K, but I've made the operation with those numbers, and unless I'm terribly wrong, here it's giving me a 18% faster, so, much less. Or maybe am I not considering something ? (btw, Blender is the app I care more about ;) )
Also, in the Cinebench test, multiple core, 4:10 , It is also said "it was also just 12% slower than the 7950X". But 29.358 is the 76.92% of 38.165, so, the difference is a bit more than 23%, not 12%. At this point, I'm starting doubting myself, I must be doing the math wrong... I only did look at it as the size of the bars didn't match with what I was hearing.
If it's a typo, understandable, with that mountain of data and tests.... Sorry if it is my mistake...
Was looking for this comment, I noticed that immediately as well. He says 25% less cores but only 12% less performance but it's almost 25%/25%, as it should be.
@@dewjustin I have noticed it happens in other instances (in other graphs), but I did not want to make the comment bloated or look like being picky after all his work. Maybe he's doing so much work per each video that has to calculate these things on the fly ( or no time to calculate them), being maybe visual estimations... So, I think I'll just focus on the graphs and numbers from now on (and my own conclusions ;) ).
In general, I compare Gamers Nexus, Linus', Puget Systems and Hardware Unboxed (and several written reviews) graphs from their benchmarks (not number by number, but yep in the stuff critical for me: for example if the 7600X does get a better score in Photoshop than a 12900K, as this is key for me, I'm asked often for low end machines for making graphic work, and I have my own interest on this).
When looking at power usage do the generations actually improve for lighter use like watching a youtube video? It's generally reviewed in laptops but how about desktops?
If you undervolt them and probably also underclock then yes but out of the box newer desktop processors like to turbo a lot even on basic workloads so they don't really use any less power in my experience.
Idle power should be lower this gen since the IO die is on the more efficient TSMC 6NM node rather than Glofo 12NM.However, guy above is right as well so that might offset the gains in efficiency made from the change in node.
Are the exposed SM's or whatever they're called going to be a problem? Seems like there's a good chance they'll get thermal paste on them. Would it be easy to break them while cleaning them up?
As long as you paste is non-conductive, it does matter that paste is on them.
Yeah I think that's why in all of the reviews you see the close up of the chip and you can tell they weren't able to fully clean the thermal paste out of the gaps. You will probably have to submerge the things a processor safe cleaning liquid to get it all off if you want it to look clean again.
The song at the end of the video is an absolute banger.
I must ask how is the overclocking on these cpus?
@3:48 were you actually talking about the 7950X? cause that's what you said. Kinda confusing.
Just a not when highlighting, instead of going opposite colors, should use a different colour completely, or like shade with diagnoal lines/white dots etc
Very awesome job guys as always
An error occurred at 04:12 - Cinebench R23 is actually 23% slower then 7950X and not 12% as it is mentioned in the clip.
Something i'm noticing a lot of UA-cam reviewers are missing is MSFS. MSFS is very CPU demanding and would be great to benchmark
That 5800x3d just keeps on looking like the 'high end but budget' gaming and production king.
When will intel arc gpu review comes out?
Going to be really interesting to see what the price/performance ratios look like even just a month from now.
The reality of that Intel is kicking themselves in the ass after seeing Ryzen pricing. They could have only undercut amd by 20$ and both amd and Intel would have higher profits probably. But with such aggressive pricing from Intel, amd will lower prices significantly and they'll both be worse off. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Intel raises MSRP.
Nice review ! But what is missing !? -> some people will also need a new mainboard o drive the new CPUs...
So we all waiting for the reviews of the new mainboards - like the Asus Hero, the Gigabyte Aorus Master, the AsRock Taichi !
These boards should be a nice option for us all...and for the future Ryzen 8000 or 9000 cpus.
16:29 master chief is so excited to have a 7950x in his hand
I'm excited for RPL, Zen4X3D and B650 boards so I can build a great 7700X system "for cheap" early next year.
Yup, no reason to jump until the dust settles (post 13th gen). I'll be looking for a 5900/5950 deal to replace my 3700x and ride that until Zen 5 makes sense.
Me too, I think 7700X / 7800X3D and good B650E looks like my next PC
Reminds me the 5800X on launch, stuck in no man's land price-wise.
Or if you have the 5000 series just keep enjoying what you have.
Love the shot of the CPU in the mug... very subtle lol
Do You think it's worth waiting for B mobo's and buying 7700X for 2D work (PS) and occasionally for gaming or should I go right ahead for current Intel with DDR4? I'm...stuck :/
What's your current system?
@@rezaramadea7574 1700X 🤣 But I think 7700X look's ok but it's worth waiting for 13th Intel's and for B AM5 mobos to have to final picture, right?
@@MrAve20 Yes, it is. But why not go for 5800X3D? Your AM4 Mobo is compatible with that
@@rezaramadea7574 Because photoshop( the program OP says he uses the most) sees a massive increase with 7000 series compared to any jump you could make on AM4.
@@rezaramadea7574 Just like Jariah said - 5800X3D is cool for pure gaming. For PS, 7700X has huge increase than any 5xxx CPU, even 5950X. I'm 75% PS user and 25% gamer.
Yeah, I think I will wait for 13th gen Intel and B AM5. Thx
Ahhh! Just need Raptor lake to come out now, market to shake up, you guys do your fantastic benchmarks and then us gamers can look for good value in the new gen CPUs.
7900X is really impressive compared to the 5950X 25% better single core and 20% better multicore based on cinebench.
The only "downside" is that it is overkill for gaming and for productivity there is always the 7950X which is only 150 bucks more
Yeah, reducing the price gap between them seems like it must've been intended to sell more 7950Xs.
It's definitely overkill, but people (myself included) bought it because 12>8, and 5.6>5.4. Not because it made any logical sense, simply because we wanted the second best consumer desktop CPU money can buy.
Wait for Intel. They will force amd prices down without a doubt. As it stands, both will be good options and no one will tell a difference between two CPUs at a given price.
@@limitisillusion7 Honestly stoked for both Intel and AMD at this point. A cheap 7600X or 13600K will be amazing for consumers
@@towb0at I need a GPU at a price point below 800$ that needs a faster CPU than an 11700k before I get excited about this new stuff. It'll be a few years before that happens.
I like that new catchy tune at the end :P
One interesting thing, other reviewers (can't remember exactly which off the top of my head) commented they were able to get over 200fps in shadow of the tomb raider with the new zen processors. This was not using anything crazy (no ln2) it was just their standard benchmark series. might have been paul's hardware or GN steve? can't remember for sure... but it was someone trustworthy.
Nice review Steve. Seems like you have a lot more to go. 4000 series, 7000 series, A770, 13000 series. More sleepless nights for you. Thanks for doing this. One request tho. Can you also please include a gaming power consumtion chart using 3 game average - 1 CPU heavy game, 1 low CPU usage game and 1 mid CPU usage game? Thanks.
how about performance per watts ?
I like the 7700x, highest frames with comparable cost per frame when 12700k is also using ddr5. With the possibility of a drop in cpu upgrade in a few years. I'm still thinking Raptor lake is going to shake up this segment though.
Current price on the 7900X is $400 on Newegg, making it the hands down best choice for the price cirrently
Would be interesting to see FPS differences between low and high speed ddr5 in 4k to judge its worth at high res🤷♂️
11:35 - At 242 watts total system power consumption for the 5900x, the 7900x at 302 watts is NOT 47% more power consumption. It's not even close. 302w/242w = 1.2479 (a 24.79% higher power consumption for the 7900x).
47% is the difference between the 5900x and the 7950x.
I think the AMD R9 x900 series cpu's have always been a hybrid choice. For productivity it's aimed at hobbyist productivity work, video encoding, learning coding, home animation productions etc., i.e. non professional workloads (your not getting paid for the work), then the $150 reduction between the 7900 ($549) and 7950 ($649) will make a difference, as platform costs other than CPU are identical. It is also capable at gaming as you show compared to the more expensive $586 12900k. Although a slighty more expensive platform to the Intel choice, at this level of expenditure that amount is negligible if replacing a complete system.
More interesting is testing of the "ECO" modes both AMD & Intel are claiming to be so good, either AMD first or both when Intel 13th gen releases. This would probably allay concerns of heat and power usage, also if the CPU's are only 5-10% slower at e.g. 65w in gaming, (Intel claim of 13900k @ 65w equal to 12900k at full power), then the performance per watt chart would change considerably.
Since you have DDR5 6400 CL32 available and probably lower under 6000 too, would be nice a RAM speed comparison on Ryzen 7000. Another UA-camr found that Ryzen 7 saw an improvement in some scenarios using 6400 RAM, and also using 4 DIMMS.
Yeah that was me, in my 7600X review ;)
@@Hardwareunboxed Thanks Steve, I found that very interesting in the 7600X review. I have a question though:
Do 4 DIMMs not get hotter than 2 since they are so close together? In AM4 if you got dual rank sticks then 2 DIMMs gave you the same performance as 4 single rank DIMMs. Is that no longer true with 2x 16GB kits on AM5?
Including running costs longer term the 7900 may make more sense, as it's certainly more efficient on power use than the 7950.
But I don't think those power savings are going to be enough, given the large performance difference to the small price difference.
Maybe for a streamer, or a similar use case where the PC is on for 14, 16 hours a day and the energy consumption really stacks up over time? But then how much of the energy consumption is CPU versus GPU anyway?
It's pretty niche use to find where it could be the "best" option, but it certainly wouldn't suck if this is what you ended up with for any application.
Most likely this is the part of the stack that will end up being the most discounted, where last time it was really the 5800x that was the most obvious surplus product in the lineup.
You should test the latest cpus from Intel and amd with the rx6900xt I have seen different results with the amd card
Should buy AMD or INTEL for gaming as I'm going to build a whole new PC and I'm not going to update my CPU for the duration of the system? But I will wait until the new INTEL 13000 series cpu's have been benchmarked against the AMD 7000 series cpu's first to get a better understanding of what direction I will be going. I play mainly open world games.
11:35 how is 302W 47% higher than 242W?
I'd be interested to see some more gaming results. The games here aren't really what a lot of people play and it favours the higher end parts. If you took the top played games on Steam (CSGO, which is already here, DotA, Apex, GTA 5, PUBG), I would expect the higher end parts to have horrible value. Is that something that's possible to make?
Thanks for the benchmarks and tests! Let me know how it handles fortnite when you get around to it please! I can see it being worth upgrading from my 5800x3d though
Keep in mind both were running on ddr5 I’m assuming ur not, I would like to see a test with the x3d on ddr4 vs the 7900x on ddr5
@@DirtyAzathoth very good point. You are correct. I would also like to see that!
is aorus master z590 is good sorry for question
AMD is now a premium brand, with premium features, Intel is now the tight budget pc builder best friend.
I love watching HUB videos. Some of my favorite alongside Optimum Tech. But don’t you think the Cost Per Frame and Cost To Performance graphs are off for the R9 7950X and maybe even the R9 7900X too? I just saw the new ASUS X670E lineup and it starts at $330 USD. Yes there will be less expensive boards, but the odds of someone pairing an R9 7950X with a $290 motherboard doesn’t seem as likely vs a $500 Strix E-Gaming or a $700 Hero. That’d change the value proposition entirely. But again, value isn’t really considered much at the top end haha 😂
Guys , is the dead pixel is normal this days ? In new monitor? I changed it twice and every time its come with one then 2 dwad pixel!!!?
4:10 I don't understand how did you calculate this, but how is 38000/29000 just 12% difference?
16:25 - I love your slow panning funny B -rolls XD
These are very good generation to generation improvements in every dimension except power use :D
Out of the box, yes. But in eco mode Zen 4's efficiency is amazing. The 7700X limited to 65W only loses 1-2% in gaming and ST performance and 9% in MT performance.
You should add some tweak on zen 4, like pbo2 plus curve optimizer, or limit the ppt for better power efficiency, without losing it peformance, or the issue with longer boot time when ur clear cmos. instead wasting ur time on benchmarking.
i still have a b350-f board does anyone have any experience with upgrading to ryzen 5000 with this board not sure if i should do it as my pc is very much stable .
With so many games close to gpu limited, maybe this should be redone on a 4090. Also where are the 1440p and 4k scores? Some CPUs show performance differences in 4k over 1080p and I game in 4k mostly so this review isn't helping so much. Curious on curve changes on different resolutions.
I would say they already have same tests ready for upload with 4090 waiting till embargo is over.
Two things that I appreciate these days are value and efficiency. CPUs are getting so powerful that the percentage of people needing them probably goes down as they get more powerful. Marketing could certainly skew what people buy but I suspect that the vast majority would be fine with the 6-core models.
6-core models are fine for today's games but what about games that come out in the year 2024? Or 2025? Or 2026? About 5 years ago they said that 4-core models were enough and they were correct. 4 cores were enough. Now they're not. I plan to stay on the AM4 platform until the end of the current decade so eventually. In the future, games will need 8 cores as a minimum. Then it will be 12 cores minimum.
As i see more cpu comparison videos i lean more towards 7950x. Just waiting for comparison with i9 13700k
I would like to see if the 12 game average included an RTS, like maybe a Total War game or even Civ6 turn time benchmark. I think having both ACC and F1 feels redundant.
7900x value is insane now that amd discounted it, i was able to go and get a 7900x, 32gb 6000mhz ram, and an asus b650e strix motherboard for $600 combined at micro center...absolutley NUTTY
That's what I'm going to get soon too lol. I got a 7900 xt for $845 and I'm getting this bundle to remove the bottlenecks.
I got the exact same bundle a few weeks ago. Was gonna wait until Ryzen 8000 series to upgrade from i7 6950X, but live only 30 minutes away from a Microcenter so when I saw this deal it was a no brainier.
7 months later and they're still doing it but with 64 gigs now.
The cost of AM5 boards is way too high for AM5 to be worth it right now. The cheapest AM5 board I see at my local shop is 400 CAD right now vs 140 dollars for AM4.
I just quickly did mobo+ram+CPU and the 7600X would cost me almost 40% more than a 5800X3D and only offers 4% more performance, and maybe less performance for the games I like to play. As pricing stands right now, the 7600X is a complete failure.
I like the new outro music
The backplate isn't removable... Wait, so that means that the AM5 platform isn't compatible with Noctua coolers?
Have you guys even seen any B650 boards?