My Dad installed a drop ceiling in our basement years ago when we were kids. When we became adults, he said they use to hide Christmas presents up there so we couldn't sneak a peek at the presents. - Loved this video!
I did this in my kitchen back when the ceiling leaked and the plaster came down. I didn't have the skill or desire to do drywall on this old house, so I just up the drop ceiling. What an amazing help it was too. I was able to rewire the entire kitchen very easily! It's held up very well and still looks as good as the day I put it up. Fast forward 16 years and I'm buying a new home. The basement is not finished. What a great reminder that I can easily install this ceiling down there and hide all the plumbing and wiring without losing access to it.
I am currently framing an office in my basement. Just about done framing and I was really debating between drop ceiling or drywall. Great video and great timing, thank you
I almost always go drop ceiling in a basement as long as height allows it. It's so much easier to replace a ceiling tile or 2 when you eventually have a leak also if you need to ever access what's up in the joists just pop a tile or 2 and move it out of the way and move it back when you finished
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY On your previous video where you did soundproofing, you mentioned using SONOPAN with a suspended ceiling. Of course, by doing that, you lose access to whatever is in the ceiling but you don't have to worry about doing the mud. However I see one issue with doing that. Lets say you strap your ceiling with 1/3 every 16 inches to attach the SONOPAN boards, that means you get a gap of 1 3/8" between the SONOPAN and the joist trust and those pins used to fish the wires seem like 1 1/2"... What would you recommend in that case?.. Also.. How confident are you that a ceiling with INSULATION (R12) + SONOPAN + Suspended ceiling would provide good soundproofing, especially that you have to place those pins directly on the joist trust or the 1x3 woof straps which would transmit sound over.... Last but not least, I imagine a suspended ceiling is not a good choice for a bathroom with a shower in a basement right? Sorry, those are 3 questions there...
@@ptessier73 soundproofing is just a matter of terminating vibration. All the fibers in Insulation make it a great way to damper the vibration of sound moving through a wall. Think of it like a metal plenum disbursing heat so that something doesn't get hot enough to ignite. If you can temper the vibration you can temper the sound
I am the person with the walls and floors done but held off on the ceiling because I hate mud and taping. Once I'm done wiring all my cables for my home network i'm definitely doing this. thanks for the video!
I just purchased all needed items for my kitchen and dining room. I spent more than I wanted too but I know it will look fantastic when it's done. My drywall skills are so beginner staged with a sagging 1933 house. When I saw your video it made me decide to go with a drop ceiling. Thank you so much for your videos. Im almost ready to paint and getting excited to finish this project.
Thanks a lot for all your videos ! This one helps me building confidence to install myself a drop ceiling. Last year you helped me with building a drywall ceiling soundproofed. And this summer it would be shed on a concrete pad ! Your explanation are easy to understand.
I just put in a craft room in my cellar for my wife's art. I used all your videos to guide me through the whole process from putting in the studs to the finished result. It came out great. Couldn't have done it without you. 😄
THANK YOU! I just completed a suspended ceiling in my laundry room. Your videos were very instructive. Now I have a new skill… but, I’m all out of unfinished ceilings. Great work!
Ok, you sold me on drop ceilings lol and honestly kind of want them through the whole house now. Just imagining being able to change things anytime for any reason, running new ethernet, speakers and speaker wire, change lights on a whim! HDMI cables all the things is endless haha. also thinking how nice it would be to take them down any time you want to paint them or want a new look.
I've always hated the look of drop ceilings, but those tiles look better than most, and I can see the benefit in the basement for sure. Easy access if you need to repair something without cutting drywall. Nice job.
I had to cut 30 some holes in a finished basement drop and used a 6 inch hole saw but ran it in reverse. No damage just a few fuzzies on the edge that you can clean off and the can trim/wafer will cover it up.
You mentioned in the beginning of the video that you were going to go over a more advanced technique on how to install the drop ceiling with a 1-in clearance. Can you show me how to do that? I've also got HVAC with some ceiling vents in place, how would I connect that?
Except for the very first three minutes of this tutorial, this is a great one. I even paused it a few times while being interrupted so I wouldn't miss any of your tips. Then I saved the whole thing for future use. You even convinced me to buy a laser leveler. Thanks.
Great video. I am going to do my first ceiling tomorrow at a client's house. Never be nervous about doing something you have never done before. Just use your common sense and do the best you can. This video gave me a good base of knowledge to apply to my already existing skill.
Going to have to redo a drop ceiling in the future. Will definitely be rewatching this video a few times. Appreciate you mentioning the code requirements. Love all your videos. Am currently repairing the drywall on the walls. Thanks for the detailed instructions. Saving a ton of money not having to hire pros. to do the work.
I found these videos by mistake a few months ago and I thoroughly enjoy each one. I find you to be very informative and easy to listen to and learn from. I tried doing more research on you and your background and came across some very negative information on you which I hope is just a malicious rumor from a malicious person. They talk about having had bad work done from your company in the past. Please say it isn't true as I've been forwarding your videos to so many of my friends and family members as I know they would find your videos as helpful as I do 🙏🤞
I'm good with my tools but hadn't done this yet. This video is perfect. Bought my house with the basement finished but the basement bathroom ceiling needed to be finished. I'm a pro now. Kind of upset it went so fast! Thanks for your time! Great video.
Great video Jeff, but I followed the instructions for cutting the track ends to align with a 24 inch tile, and I ended up with too much on that end. The first 3/8 inch after the slot is all you should do. I had to redo the cut and that made my complete length too short it is now barely hanging on to the frame. You might want to clarify that in your video if you can. Otehr than that great tips and tricks, you are really good at these instructional type videos! Thanks
Im about to do my ceilling and i was not understanding that point too because i think the 3/8 and actually the 3/4 depending of the length of the edge of the track, should be the length you keep at the 3inchs section of the main track. I was thinking the same thing why he add 3/8 to 3/4 at the 3 inches section for the main track. Would be nice to clarify that :)
Measure 1st, and try to center the field. You dont want one edge to be a tiny, narrow cut. Better to center up and have some tile to work with around the perimeter..
Great video! In lieu of the traditional wires, I used the QUICKHANG Grid Hook Kit, 6 in. by Armstrong. Easy to install, quite secure, and easy to adjust for fine-tuning..
Hi Jeff, my cousin used to put those ceilings in and one day when I was on holiday, I went with him to install a ceiling. I found it extremely easy and we installed this ceiling in about three hours, I was horrified when he dropped of my half of the install over six hundred pounds, so he was charging double that and he told me that if he asked less he would not get the job because people would think he was not doing a good job. I put a dropped ceiling in my house and as you have shown it is one of the easiest jobs around and I would not feel comfortable charging the prices he did as a result I have only installed two dropped ceilings in my lifetime.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Right, let's say you (somehow) don't have a laser level, do you then measure from the floor or from the bottom of the joists to draw your line? Would you then use a level to draw the line itself between measured points?
@@noelrodrigue5542 Depends on how big the room is. You can measure down off the joist in the corners if it’s a square room. You can mark your height for the top of the mold and level with a level and then chalk the wall to the corner mark with level on the next wall and then chalk that wall. Go all the way around the room this way. Pull some strings across and level ceiling to the strings.
Jeff, I really enjoyed watching this video on how to install a suspended ceiling! I have worked with suspended ceilings before, but have most of my experience with just cutting and installing the ceiling panels. The project I will be working on is in a bathroom as the ceiling is in bad shape and my customer would like me to install a suspened ceiling. The room is only 6' x 6', so it is very small, but there is also a light fixture in the center of the ceiling that my customer would like me to replace as well.
Dropped ceilings are great for access, but I wouldn’t want to lose 3-4” of headroom in the basement. Also, you should do a little video on boxing in ductwork for your viewers that want to go the suspended ceiling route.
When do you show how to do the 1 or 2 inch spacing method? I have 8 foot ceilings, so I don't want to go all way down 4 inches. And I do want to hopefully use sonopan only. Would you recommend this? I own my condo, so I could also remove the drywall, but like you said, that's a bigger undertaking.
One of the very unexpected benefits of strapping in my 1945 house was it let me level off the ceiling. Since the joists were bowed every which way and it was wavier than the ocean!
I'm here because we have a leak in the PVC pipe from kitchen sink down to my dad's computer room. We have the old Armstrong 1ft by 1 ft tiles my dad installed years ago. Trying to figure out how to take them down. He just turned 94 Christmas Eve so he's not as sharp as he used to be even though I've asked him how they were installed. I'm just preparing myself because I have to take a few out from the corner of the room as the pipe is right up against the heat vent. Not sure how easy this is going to be but it's leaking from the joint and then I will have to replace a few tiles only, hopefully not the full room. I'm pretty handy so getting started at something you've never done before always seems harder than it really is. I've renovated his bathroom including changing out the plumbing under the sink installing the faucet and new countertop and adding a new toilet thanks to your videos. I haven't attempted changing out the plumbing for a new shower and I have watched your video on that one but am not ready to tackle it yet because I know I have to break the tiles and cut the copper as you've showed. All in time. Thanks for all your great videos!
I'm finishing my basement in Edmonton, and I'm really debating drop vs drywall. I've fortunately got a Panel-lift so drywalling isn't too backbreaking. I like the minimum amount of height loss and appearance of drywall, but damn ceiling tile is so much easier to put together.
You need access to junction boxes in the basement. Drop ceiling gives you access. I’m in Edmonton too. I install grid professionally based on the price of materials equals price to install
@@Brian-gx7yx well I'd still have access with drywall. Run wiring after Strapping, but before drywalling. Obviously I'd cut out the jbs before finishing. There's cons if you need to change something down the road or if there's leaks of course.
interesting math at 14:39. If you want the first recessed tile to sit and be aligned with the wall hanger's edge. you should cut 3/8 from the cross tee insert which is where the small hole is, giving the wall hanger is 7/8" in wide. Good thing you did not cut it short.
Beautiful, thanks!! I was just getting to this point in my basement reno and I hate the idea of covering up all the electrical and plumbing with a drywall ceiling.
Ive been doing a lot of fixing on my house after disrepair/not done correctly by my gpa back in the 80s, and the fact the ceiling is drop and he wired in outlets to plug in fluorescent lamps with a clear sheet to let light through has allowed an outlet to always be near and then converting them to LED made the lighting goood and then having access to the plumbing and electrical is nice and running things like ethernet has beeen easy etc
There is a lot of info in here you clearly learned from experience. Thanks for sharing, a lot of it I would never have thought about until it was too late.
In the U.K. we call these suspended ceilings. I’m a suspended ceiling fixer to trade. There are a few things here I’d have done differently. The most important issue I noticed is the wire and the hole you used in the main T. We use the round holes next to the cross t connection hole and use the heavy gauge wire.
i have been in the ceiling business for 36 years. there's a whole lot we do different than this. we put up string lines and cut to them to accomadate for the variation in the walls.
Thanks! Debating drywall or drop ceiling in finished basement. Contractor gave me sticker shock for hanging drywall. I'll do the drop myself and save the money.
I am thinking about installing a drop ceiling in my basement. Do you have any tips for working around around basement windows? That is a good idea to start from the middle and work to the perimeter to stabilize the grid :)
Well done. I saw that they now sell special clips that you can attach above the celiling that you simply insert the hang wire through and you can use them to level the T system by pinching the clips that act like a spring to hold the wire. Any idea how costly they are? Your method avoids those and is (I believe) more cost efficient. However the clips might prove handy for some.
I have watched this video over and over again. It mentions minimum drop of 3 inches in order to be able to get the ceiling tiles into place. I am into my project about three days now. Set up my grid, but I have to put tiles in from the end of the grid and walk them all the way across the ceiling. In order to drop them into the correct 2 x 2 spaces. I tried every possible angle to put tiles in place at their respective locations, and it is absolutely impossible. There’s not enough room between the grid and the floor joists. 3 inch minimum doesn’t seem to be accurate however, I did need to maintain that particular height because I only have 7 foot ceilings in my basement. So far, the entire project is working out The finished product is looking pretty good even though I am probably doing extra work that wouldn’t normally be necessary if I had the ability to come down a little lower. 3 inches does not allow for installation of tiles from what I have discovered through my experience.
For low ceiling heights, check out the CeilingMAX system. I’ve been switching over my crummy old metal system that the prior owner installed decades ago in many areas with 0-1” of clearance above the tiles, and it’s basically impossible to remove and put back together without completely destroying the tiles, metal frame, or both. If you destroy the tiles & frame when taking them down to access plumbing/electric/etc, seems like there’s no real benefit to having a traditional drop ceiling in these situations. As a functional alternative for low clearance situations, definitely check out the CeilingMAX. Added benefit is that it’s 100% plastic and won’t rust if ever exposed to moisture. I bought mine in a kit from Home Depot, but I think they can be ordered from a bunch of places online.
Yeah I could see this way for home owners , good video . It’s a lot easier if you can get it laid out and install all the wires after the angle is up and set up jet lines for your first main and tee line and use the laser to level it and just tie it the laser line for level .
Hi, thank you for all your lessons. Just want to say, Hopefully Home depto in Canada could offer all the items you works with...Thats probably USA is USA...
Oh man !!! I've seen many videos on different guys and tradesmen doing house renovations, In my humble opinion you have to be right at the top of the list, After watching just under 5 minutes I kinda knew you are real deal !!! I live in PA and gotta tell you I'm learning so much from your videos it's nuts .. I've always thought this stuff was very difficult but it's not if you got the Right tools and follow a nice approach. To it.. Congratulations 👏 I assume you have your own company at this point do you have name and phone number for your services??? Thanks 👍👍
Here we are in the 21st century and we're still utilizing wire to hang the drop ceiling? Isn't there a better method for a basement ceiling than this or drywall? A better method for hanging ceiling tiles? Thanks.
I was in a commercial building the other day looked up at the tile ceiling and noticed there pieces were riveted to the wall strip. I thought that was pretty sweet... Standard practice as it's a commercial building
I just checked your video and found it extremely helpful but I have just two questions. 1. Does your basement ceiling need the strapping (it looks like 1'" x 3" strapping)? and 2. You indicated that you were going to provide some info on the cost per square foot. Did I miss that or is estimating the cost of this drop ceiling in another video?
Years ago we rented an old farmhouse we eventually bought. It wasnt installed properly. I think they just put nails in a mud and lathe ceiling to suspend it from. So on a Thanksgiving evening while we were all sleeping it let go with a boom, bang n clatter. Gave a whole new mean to "drop ceiling. "
I’m having trouble finding some of the finished outside corners that are mentioned around the 8:47 time stamp. Can anyone help me find where these are available to purchase?
Great video Jeff! What if the ceilings are already low and you want to try the option of installing as you go to have the least amount of drop (you mentioned 1" in the beginning, but I didn't hear more about that towards the end). Thanks!
simply go 1 row at a time flush to the ceiling. when you get to the other side install the L bracket last. the long T is taller than the rest of the grid so you have room to wiggle.
Did I miss the part where you explain how to put in tiles when you only have 1" or so of clearance? About to do this this weekend and would love any and allnadvice about that technqiue given my spatial constraint
I'm an electrician installing tbar in my basement right now. Let me tell anyone reading this, if you want to save money renovating or dealing with electrical issues, a tbar ceiling downstairs is going to make calling us to your home MUCH cheaper vs drywall.
Do you have any tips for an area where your drop ceiling will be coming up to the opening for a stairwell? My stairs to the basement is mostly open to the one side so dropping the ceiling would be visible from the side as you come down. Thanks.
My Dad installed a drop ceiling in our basement years ago when we were kids. When we became adults, he said they use to hide Christmas presents up there so we couldn't sneak a peek at the presents. - Loved this video!
great memory! Cheers!
Wait,….. there’s no Santa!?!?
What a great idea! :O
Nowadays, that's where the kids hide their paraphernalia.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY0.04 seconds of the video. What is the 1x1 drop on the ceiling called. To the right of you.
I did this in my kitchen back when the ceiling leaked and the plaster came down. I didn't have the skill or desire to do drywall on this old house, so I just up the drop ceiling. What an amazing help it was too. I was able to rewire the entire kitchen very easily! It's held up very well and still looks as good as the day I put it up. Fast forward 16 years and I'm buying a new home. The basement is not finished. What a great reminder that I can easily install this ceiling down there and hide all the plumbing and wiring without losing access to it.
I am currently framing an office in my basement. Just about done framing and I was really debating between drop ceiling or drywall. Great video and great timing, thank you
I almost always go drop ceiling in a basement as long as height allows it. It's so much easier to replace a ceiling tile or 2 when you eventually have a leak also if you need to ever access what's up in the joists just pop a tile or 2 and move it out of the way and move it back when you finished
great option to manage sound proofing options as you move forward.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY On your previous video where you did soundproofing, you mentioned using SONOPAN with a suspended ceiling. Of course, by doing that, you lose access to whatever is in the ceiling but you don't have to worry about doing the mud. However I see one issue with doing that. Lets say you strap your ceiling with 1/3 every 16 inches to attach the SONOPAN boards, that means you get a gap of 1 3/8" between the SONOPAN and the joist trust and those pins used to fish the wires seem like 1 1/2"... What would you recommend in that case?.. Also.. How confident are you that a ceiling with INSULATION (R12) + SONOPAN + Suspended ceiling would provide good soundproofing, especially that you have to place those pins directly on the joist trust or the 1x3 woof straps which would transmit sound over.... Last but not least, I imagine a suspended ceiling is not a good choice for a bathroom with a shower in a basement right? Sorry, those are 3 questions there...
I always go 2 layers of r20.
@@ptessier73 soundproofing is just a matter of terminating vibration. All the fibers in Insulation make it a great way to damper the vibration of sound moving through a wall. Think of it like a metal plenum disbursing heat so that something doesn't get hot enough to ignite. If you can temper the vibration you can temper the sound
House already had a drop ceiling when I bought the house. Sooooooo useful when doing network wiring or installing home theatre speakers!
I am the person with the walls and floors done but held off on the ceiling because I hate mud and taping. Once I'm done wiring all my cables for my home network i'm definitely doing this. thanks for the video!
There is a solution to every problem. Cheers!
I just purchased all needed items for my kitchen and dining room. I spent more than I wanted too but I know it will look fantastic when it's done. My drywall skills are so beginner staged with a sagging 1933 house. When I saw your video it made me decide to go with a drop ceiling. Thank you so much for your videos. Im almost ready to paint and getting excited to finish this project.
Thanks a lot for all your videos ! This one helps me building confidence to install myself a drop ceiling. Last year you helped me with building a drywall ceiling soundproofed. And this summer it would be shed on a concrete pad ! Your explanation are easy to understand.
You sir are the best on U-Tube. We look at your videos before we start any new projects, thanks so much.
I just put in a craft room in my cellar for my wife's art. I used all your videos to guide me through the whole process from putting in the studs to the finished result. It came out great. Couldn't have done it without you. 😄
THANK YOU! I just completed a suspended ceiling in my laundry room. Your videos were very instructive. Now I have a new skill… but, I’m all out of unfinished ceilings. Great work!
Stop by, I have some unfinished ceilings.
Ok, you sold me on drop ceilings lol and honestly kind of want them through the whole house now. Just imagining being able to change things anytime for any reason, running new ethernet, speakers and speaker wire, change lights on a whim! HDMI cables all the things is endless haha. also thinking how nice it would be to take them down any time you want to paint them or want a new look.
I've always hated the look of drop ceilings, but those tiles look better than most, and I can see the benefit in the basement for sure. Easy access if you need to repair something without cutting drywall. Nice job.
great place to hide Christmas presents as well. Cheers!
I had to cut 30 some holes in a finished basement drop and used a 6 inch hole saw but ran it in reverse. No damage just a few fuzzies on the edge that you can clean off and the can trim/wafer will cover it up.
You mentioned in the beginning of the video that you were going to go over a more advanced technique on how to install the drop ceiling with a 1-in clearance. Can you show me how to do that? I've also got HVAC with some ceiling vents in place, how would I connect that?
Except for the very first three minutes of this tutorial, this is a great one. I even paused it a few times while being interrupted so I wouldn't miss any of your tips. Then I saved the whole thing for future use. You even convinced me to buy a laser leveler. Thanks.
Great video. I am going to do my first ceiling tomorrow at a client's house. Never be nervous about doing something you have never done before. Just use your common sense and do the best you can. This video gave me a good base of knowledge to apply to my already existing skill.
Going to have to redo a drop ceiling in the future. Will definitely be rewatching this video a few times. Appreciate you mentioning the code requirements. Love all your videos. Am currently repairing the drywall on the walls. Thanks for the detailed instructions. Saving a ton of money not having to hire pros. to do the work.
Good job. I learned a lot from this demonstration. Thank you for making this video.
I found these videos by mistake a few months ago and I thoroughly enjoy each one. I find you to be very informative and easy to listen to and learn from. I tried doing more research on you and your background and came across some very negative information on you which I hope is just a malicious rumor from a malicious person. They talk about having had bad work done from your company in the past. Please say it isn't true as I've been forwarding your videos to so many of my friends and family members as I know they would find your videos as helpful as I do 🙏🤞
This vedio is SUPER Helpful. Thank you so much.
I'm good with my tools but hadn't done this yet. This video is perfect. Bought my house with the basement finished but the basement bathroom ceiling needed to be finished. I'm a pro now. Kind of upset it went so fast! Thanks for your time! Great video.
Great video Jeff, but I followed the instructions for cutting the track ends to align with a 24 inch tile, and I ended up with too much on that end. The first 3/8 inch after the slot is all you should do. I had to redo the cut and that made my complete length too short it is now barely hanging on to the frame. You might want to clarify that in your video if you can. Otehr than that great tips and tricks, you are really good at these instructional type videos! Thanks
Im about to do my ceilling and i was not understanding that point too because i think the 3/8 and actually the 3/4 depending of the length of the edge of the track, should be the length you keep at the 3inchs section of the main track. I was thinking the same thing why he add 3/8 to 3/4 at the 3 inches section for the main track. Would be nice to clarify that :)
As a commercial installer, it's interesting seeing residential methods. Beautiful finished product 😎
Never installed a drop ceiling, thanks for the demo. Now if I ever want to I know how.
Cheers. always good to have options!
Pretty easy job. My first try came out perfect. A cheap laser is your best friend.
Measure 1st, and try to center the field. You dont want one edge to be a tiny, narrow cut. Better to center up and have some tile to work with around the perimeter..
I did a little different. Dropped my wires, then dropped the laser, then a 3" tape (measure) to hang the Ts on a perfect level plane
I suck at DIY. This guide is fantastic.
Great video! In lieu of the traditional wires, I used the QUICKHANG Grid Hook Kit, 6 in. by Armstrong. Easy to install, quite secure, and easy to adjust for fine-tuning..
Thank you for sharing!
loving the hawk inserted into the scaffold for a makeshift table.
As one who uses a pan to hold my mud, I liked that detail, too. :)
hawks are definitely more flexible!
Hi Jeff, my cousin used to put those ceilings in and one day when I was on holiday, I went with him to install a ceiling. I found it extremely easy and we installed this ceiling in about three hours, I was horrified when he dropped of my half of the install over six hundred pounds, so he was charging double that and he told me that if he asked less he would not get the job because people would think he was not doing a good job. I put a dropped ceiling in my house and as you have shown it is one of the easiest jobs around and I would not feel comfortable charging the prices he did as a result I have only installed two dropped ceilings in my lifetime.
back in the day a laser level was very rare and expensive. now it is very affordable but folks don't know the option.....until now! Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Right, let's say you (somehow) don't have a laser level, do you then measure from the floor or from the bottom of the joists to draw your line? Would you then use a level to draw the line itself between measured points?
@@noelrodrigue5542 Depends on how big the room is. You can measure down off the joist in the corners if it’s a square room. You can mark your height for the top of the mold and level with a level and then chalk the wall to the corner mark with level on the next wall and then chalk that wall. Go all the way around the room this way. Pull some strings across and level ceiling to the strings.
Thanks for this!
I’m almost to this step in my basement! Finishing up some wall finishing then this step. Cheers!
Cheers Greg!
Jeff, I really enjoyed watching this video on how to install a suspended ceiling! I have worked with suspended ceilings before, but have most of my experience with just cutting and installing the ceiling panels. The project I will be working on is in a bathroom as the ceiling is in bad shape and my customer would like me to install a suspened ceiling. The room is only 6' x 6', so it is very small, but there is also a light fixture in the center of the ceiling that my customer would like me to replace as well.
Dropped ceilings are great for access, but I wouldn’t want to lose 3-4” of headroom in the basement.
Also, you should do a little video on boxing in ductwork for your viewers that want to go the suspended ceiling route.
I have to say, you are a fantastic educator. I can't stop watching! 😀
Learned so much from this video! This is why I am a member... I just learn and learn and learn!
Cheers Allan. New live shows coming soon. and thanks for supporting us!
Excellent video with clear instructions, the step-by-step direction along with a very good visual of the process. Congrats! & Thanks
Thank you very much! Glad it was helpful. Cheers Edmond!
When do you show how to do the 1 or 2 inch spacing method? I have 8 foot ceilings, so I don't want to go all way down 4 inches. And I do want to hopefully use sonopan only. Would you recommend this? I own my condo, so I could also remove the drywall, but like you said, that's a bigger undertaking.
I will never do a drywall ceiling. I don't really see any advantages; imo always better to be able to service what's up there.
Great video! The outside corner piece advice was worth the price of admission.
One of the very unexpected benefits of strapping in my 1945 house was it let me level off the ceiling. Since the joists were bowed every which way and it was wavier than the ocean!
Noice!
I really appreciate showing people how to properly cut a reveal along the wall on drop tile!
Fabulous video. In my basement reno I'll be doing the drop ceiling. This made it look a lot less daunting.
I just start to do my basement development. Every your video is awesome. Thanks for do that.
I'm here because we have a leak in the PVC pipe from kitchen sink down to my dad's computer room. We have the old Armstrong 1ft by 1 ft tiles my dad installed years ago. Trying to figure out how to take them down. He just turned 94 Christmas Eve so he's not as sharp as he used to be even though I've asked him how they were installed. I'm just preparing myself because I have to take a few out from the corner of the room as the pipe is right up against the heat vent. Not sure how easy this is going to be but it's leaking from the joint and then I will have to replace a few tiles only, hopefully not the full room. I'm pretty handy so getting started at something you've never done before always seems harder than it really is. I've renovated his bathroom including changing out the plumbing under the sink installing the faucet and new countertop and adding a new toilet thanks to your videos. I haven't attempted changing out the plumbing for a new shower and I have watched your video on that one but am not ready to tackle it yet because I know I have to break the tiles and cut the copper as you've showed. All in time. Thanks for all your great videos!
When I did mine I took the end covers and cut them and half and used it for the ends on the wall, made it look clean
I'm finishing my basement in Edmonton, and I'm really debating drop vs drywall. I've fortunately got a Panel-lift so drywalling isn't too backbreaking. I like the minimum amount of height loss and appearance of drywall, but damn ceiling tile is so much easier to put together.
You need access to junction boxes in the basement. Drop ceiling gives you access. I’m in Edmonton too. I install grid professionally based on the price of materials equals price to install
@@Brian-gx7yx well I'd still have access with drywall. Run wiring after Strapping, but before drywalling. Obviously I'd cut out the jbs before finishing.
There's cons if you need to change something down the road or if there's leaks of course.
I removed our drip ceiling and installed Sheetrock - all with your help 😆
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Cheers Peter!
I may or may not have started a business following this man’s advice 😅
I like that trim piece for the outside corners, never seen that before
Cheers! makes every diyer look like a pro!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Do you have a link for these pieces? I am having a hard time finding them.
yay! So excited about this video! Very well explained as usual :)! Was leaning towards drop ceiling in my basement and now this confirms it.
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I’ve been following your videos covering so many different trades and fields. Learned do much and continue to learn. Great videos
This guy is sincere wnd the best and thorough
Cheers Ray!
Finishing my basement and there’s so many shut off valves and pipes that I just put a drop ceiling so I could access all that if needed
Just saw UA-cam's ad in the Toronto Star starring Jeff. Congratulations!
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Cheers Michael. I didn't know that was happening.
interesting math at 14:39. If you want the first recessed tile to sit and be aligned with the wall hanger's edge. you should cut 3/8 from the cross tee insert which is where the small hole is, giving the wall hanger is 7/8" in wide.
Good thing you did not cut it short.
This is the exact video I needed to see to redo the previous owner's drop ceiling in my house.
Beautiful, thanks!! I was just getting to this point in my basement reno and I hate the idea of covering up all the electrical and plumbing with a drywall ceiling.
This makes DIY electrical very easy. add as many boxes as needed. Cheers Alex!
Ive been doing a lot of fixing on my house after disrepair/not done correctly by my gpa back in the 80s, and the fact the ceiling is drop and he wired in outlets to plug in fluorescent lamps with a clear sheet to let light through has allowed an outlet to always be near and then converting them to LED made the lighting goood and then having access to the plumbing and electrical is nice and running things like ethernet has beeen easy etc
For people looking for new windows and doors, Dako is a great company.
There is a lot of info in here you clearly learned from experience. Thanks for sharing, a lot of it I would never have thought about until it was too late.
G'Day from Western Australia. Thank you for a fantastic video. Your confidence is both inspiring and contagious!
I watched the entire video. I am looking for how to join your main ceiling supports if your walls are further apart than the 12' lengths they come in.
You are awesome, I like learning from you. You explain things in such an easy to understand way.
In the U.K. we call these suspended ceilings. I’m a suspended ceiling fixer to trade. There are a few things here I’d have done differently. The most important issue I noticed is the wire and the hole you used in the main T. We use the round holes next to the cross t connection hole and use the heavy gauge wire.
i have been in the ceiling business for 36 years. there's a whole lot we do different than this. we put up string lines and cut to them to accomadate for the variation in the walls.
@@kevinjones2779 me too. The reason I highlighted the hanger issue is that it’s a safety issue 👍
This couldn't have come at a more perfect time. We just purchased a house that the drop ceiling needs to be replaced.
Thanks! Debating drywall or drop ceiling in finished basement. Contractor gave me sticker shock for hanging drywall. I'll do the drop myself and save the money.
I am thinking about installing a drop ceiling in my basement. Do you have any tips for working around around basement windows? That is a good idea to start from the middle and work to the perimeter to stabilize the grid :)
Always trust your videos and knowledge- just doing a couple replacement today but a few tips are super helpful- Thank you!!!!
I watched yr pot light videos and greatly benefited frojnyr advice. Thank you, you make a great teacher!!
Still my fav DIY channel! =) Thanks for the great content!
Thank you for posting this video. Perfect timing! I was just planning to tackle a similar project this weekend.
Thanks for the great video! Where did you find the finished rounded outside corner pieces? Are they plastic or metal?
Looks good. I am slightly disappointed that you did not check the stud finder on yourself before the wall. That's repair rule number 1.
Great videos! Great info! I can do drywall!!!! Thank you and youtube. Where would I be without people like you willing to teach and share
Well done. I saw that they now sell special clips that you can attach above the celiling that you simply insert the hang wire through and you can use them to level the T system by pinching the clips that act like a spring to hold the wire. Any idea how costly they are? Your method avoids those and is (I believe) more cost efficient. However the clips might prove handy for some.
Armstrong has quick height adjust things make adjusting height even easier. No twisting of wirrs
I have watched this video over and over again. It mentions minimum drop of 3 inches in order to be able to get the ceiling tiles into place. I am into my project about three days now. Set up my grid, but I have to put tiles in from the end of the grid and walk them all the way across the ceiling. In order to drop them into the correct 2 x 2 spaces. I tried every possible angle to put tiles in place at their respective locations, and it is absolutely impossible. There’s not enough room between the grid and the floor joists. 3 inch minimum doesn’t seem to be accurate however, I did need to maintain that particular height because I only have 7 foot ceilings in my basement. So far, the entire project is working out The finished product is looking pretty good even though I am probably doing extra work that wouldn’t normally be necessary if I had the ability to come down a little lower. 3 inches does not allow for installation of tiles from what I have discovered through my experience.
For low ceiling heights, check out the CeilingMAX system. I’ve been switching over my crummy old metal system that the prior owner installed decades ago in many areas with 0-1” of clearance above the tiles, and it’s basically impossible to remove and put back together without completely destroying the tiles, metal frame, or both. If you destroy the tiles & frame when taking them down to access plumbing/electric/etc, seems like there’s no real benefit to having a traditional drop ceiling in these situations. As a functional alternative for low clearance situations, definitely check out the CeilingMAX. Added benefit is that it’s 100% plastic and won’t rust if ever exposed to moisture. I bought mine in a kit from Home Depot, but I think they can be ordered from a bunch of places online.
Armstrong vector tiles are the best. They go in from the bottom
Yeah I could see this way for home owners , good video . It’s a lot easier if you can get it laid out and install all the wires after the angle is up and set up jet lines for your first main and tee line and use the laser to level it and just tie it the laser line for level .
Fantastic video sir ! Motivated more than ever to finish my basement now ! Thanks for sharing this wonderful video !?
You can do this. Cheers!
What a great great video but you promised to talk about low ceiling and how to install “one inch drop versus 4 inch . Thanks
I will be doing this this weekend, i always look to you for my projects!!!! Thank you!!!
Great video. I just have to say that if I had your videos in the 80s, building my house would have been a much easier process.
Your videos are always great! I think the only thing missing here is how to join the main rails together.
Hi, thank you for all your lessons. Just want to say, Hopefully Home depto in Canada could offer all the items you works with...Thats probably USA is USA...
Oh man !!! I've seen many videos on different guys and tradesmen doing house renovations, In my humble opinion you have to be right at the top of the list, After watching just under 5 minutes I kinda knew you are real deal !!! I live in PA and gotta tell you I'm learning so much from your videos it's nuts .. I've always thought this stuff was very difficult but it's not if you got the Right tools and follow a nice approach. To it.. Congratulations 👏 I assume you have your own company at this point do you have name and phone number for your services??? Thanks 👍👍
Here we are in the 21st century and we're still utilizing wire to hang the drop ceiling? Isn't there a better method for a basement ceiling than this or drywall? A better method for hanging ceiling tiles? Thanks.
Thx Jeff interesting to watch how it’s done you always make it look so easy 👏👏
Glad you enjoyed it Gilly! Cheers!
Men or culture! As we gather to watch the Guru again, I say blessings to you all!
I was in a commercial building the other day looked up at the tile ceiling and noticed there pieces were riveted to the wall strip.
I thought that was pretty sweet... Standard practice as it's a commercial building
I just checked your video and found it extremely helpful but I have just two questions. 1. Does your basement ceiling need the strapping (it looks like 1'" x 3" strapping)? and 2. You indicated that you were going to provide some info on the cost per square foot. Did I miss that or is estimating the cost of this drop ceiling in another video?
Installed the cost is $10-12sq CDN for a contractor to build it for you. Just FYI nice content!
Thanks for the info! everything contractor is going up in price huge!
Years ago we rented an old farmhouse we eventually bought. It wasnt installed properly. I think they just put nails in a mud and lathe ceiling to suspend it from. So on a Thanksgiving evening while we were all sleeping it let go with a boom, bang n clatter. Gave a whole new mean to "drop ceiling. "
Love your work really curious how you would do my basement 😂
I found that running a string line from one end to to the other and using Armstrong QUICKHANG Grid Hooks is WAY easier than wires.
thanx for the video, it was really informative
I’m having trouble finding some of the finished outside corners that are mentioned around the 8:47 time stamp. Can anyone help me find where these are available to purchase?
Great video Jeff! What if the ceilings are already low and you want to try the option of installing as you go to have the least amount of drop (you mentioned 1" in the beginning, but I didn't hear more about that towards the end). Thanks!
simply go 1 row at a time flush to the ceiling. when you get to the other side install the L bracket last. the long T is taller than the rest of the grid so you have room to wiggle.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY If you drop the ceiling only 1”, can you get the tiles back out for access?
Could you explain that answer again don’t understand
Did I miss the part where you explain how to put in tiles when you only have 1" or so of clearance? About to do this this weekend and would love any and allnadvice about that technqiue given my spatial constraint
I'm an electrician installing tbar in my basement right now.
Let me tell anyone reading this, if you want to save money renovating or dealing with electrical issues, a tbar ceiling downstairs is going to make calling us to your home MUCH cheaper vs drywall.
Do you have any tips for an area where your drop ceiling will be coming up to the opening for a stairwell? My stairs to the basement is mostly open to the one side so dropping the ceiling would be visible from the side as you come down. Thanks.