This...this is the kind of homage i like to see. brushed case sides with a chamfered edge, female endlinks, no date, domed crystal, on the fly adjust. Bravo SM, bravo.
I used to work on a cargo ship that would occasionally take a load of titanium ore. Very interesting stuff, the raw ore coming out of the ground from that mine was about 80% metal. The ore chunks were about the size of an adult fist and had a kind of dull shiny appearance. Although titanium is known to be a lightweight metal, when it was loaded into the ship it appeared to take up much less space in the holds than the equivalent load (30 000 tons) of iron ore pellets.
Wow, absolutely love that clasp. Nice one Gary. 👏👏👏 NH35 is a good solid movement and I've become ok with the ghost position. NH38 would be nice but it wouldn't stop me if I like the watch.
I like it! Especially the glossy enamel dial! It's still an homage but it moves a step away from the original with its female end links and the domed crystal. For there is no need to replace tried and tested stainless steel with scratch prone titanium unless the use hardening coating. They should use NH38 movements on no date watches instead.
It’s amazing over the last five years just how much better these type or style of homage watches have got better and even better, even if it does have a good old Seiko movement.
That’s a handsome watch, really like the new clasp. It’ll be great to see the titanium version when it’s released 👍. Great video as always Gary, cheers !!
Wow! This is a stunner! I predict that this will be one of San Martin's best sellers ever. The clasp, the sword hands option, even the titanium will be very desirable and I think they've got a winner here. Too bad I'm not in the market for a dive watch right now, or I'd be pulling out the credit card!
I bought one of their earlier grade 5 titanium watches. The finishing was great 👍. Quality was totally worth the money. Even the strap they put on was very quality.
Thanks for the video, great info 😊 I love micro adjust on the fly and been looking at San Martin for a while now. Do you know which models they are offering the micro adjust on the fly with please?
@@ilikewatches thank you. I will have a look at their newer stuff. The big boys really need to catch up with micro adjust on the fly. And I have to say that san Martin one sounded smoother than my Christopher Ward micro adjust so I’m quite interested to try it.
Gary, thanks for discussing how well the lume colour matches the white on the bezel insert! One thing that bugs me about my old SM submariner homage is how these colours don't match.
I love how symmetrical it is. I have a couple of San Martin Milsubs, an SN006 and SN004 that I love. The good thing is I could get the titanium one and my wife won’t be able to tell that I bought another watch. 🤭
Great review as always! I aspire my channel to one day do as half as well your channel and id be thrilled. Just reviewed my first San Martin and oh my was i impressed! Happy holidays from TheDiveWatcher.
@@ilikewatches do you think they will offer the new bracelet and clasp as an accessory for purchase on its own? That would be a useful retrofit for other models (seems to be a familiar 40mm case?)
@@richardfinlay2342 I actually asked them directly recently. They said that it’s not quite in the works yet, but they said they’ve gotten the request a lot recently and are looking into it! Here’s hoping, would love to order one to put on my SM watch.
It would also be nice if in the near future they offer one of there 38mm submariner models in Titanium as well as the newer more modern maxi case version they plan on coming out soon too. I think both sizes would take care of everyone, the ones that are slightly outsized in the 40mm/41mm models. SM are already making Slimmer more appropriate sized BB Pro etc so Titanium Submariner seems like a no brainer and one equipped with the NH35 would make it a solid, reliable light Tank of a watch and would be priced better across the board and would be a very good GADA!!!
Ben Clayton LMBO!! Seeing the direction Rolex has been going lately lol I wouldn't be the least surprised if they beat em to it... They'd rather keep doing what you there doing.
I like titanium as a material and all things being equal would choose titanium. It has a tendency to scratch, though. Citizen has their proprietary Super-titanium and there are watches like Sinn and Damasko that use the most scratch resistant Titanium. It would be interesting to see titanium watches actually scratch tested to see which holds up better.
A good question. I do dive myself and have a Seiko titanium diver with hardened diashield coating and it's scratched to bits now, mostly from undersea pebbles, bits of coral, hitting the occasional metal strut from shipwrecks etc. The coating wears off over time. Stainless steel is better if you don't want to baby your watch constantly, but it's nice to have if you're careful.
Citizen's "proprietary Super Titanium" is just a garden variety Ti Nitride coating on the exterior surface that is applied via a vapor deposition process. It's regularly used on all kinds of products to give surface hardness and comes in lots of color options. Those gold colored "Titanium" drill bits are steel with a Ti Nitride coating on them.
You can fix that alignment by dipping it in some acetone to soften the glue then push the insert into place. Once the acetone evaporates the glue hardens again.
Oh sh!t, no. The Acetone can dissolve the gaskets. I had that on a 5KX. Took off the bezel insert and all the gaskets exeunt stage left. Be careful with that.
It clicks on almost all buttons as an homage of a well known diver. That clasp is a huge improvement and places this watch at the level of some more expensive Swiss made homages of the same super expensive diver. But I'm waiting for an eventual V2 so I can have my own logo on the dial ...
Nice, so its somewhere in-between the "underwater craft" and the "those who dwell in the sea" but not as big as the "very deep dweller" made by Chronos? I'd actually buy that Chronos "dweller for deep people" if it was Ti.
I hope Cronos is considering that! I would buy one of their Deep Sea homages in Titanium in a heart beat! After Gary sent his watch to the Hydraulic Press Channel and I saw how great they were, I had to have one. I now own four of them in every color. The faded blue to black dial being my favorite! This would be a great watch in Titanium!
Is the NH 38 a lot more expensive. Is this why few manufacturers don't use it. I have a Zebec Corsair with this movement and it seemed a reasonable price. I do miss the date sometimes. Great video and very nice watch.👍
Absolutely fantastic looking watch. Having had the titanium watch, a Citizen Promaster, I would probably avoid it on a dive watch. I see titanium as a great dress watch material. I always wonder why dress watches don't have titanium instead of divers and field watches. The hardened coatings don't work very well. If you intend to use the watch as it's intended stay away from titanium unless you don't mind the scratches.
Hi Gary. Brave of SM to go no date and produce such a clean and simple dial, but the detail like the bezel should be spot on as a result. I’ve been umming and ahhing over the Steeldive Willard all week, should I scratch the itch or not?
OMG, I need that clasp. I just purchased an SN0006 and an SN017 with the standard micro adjust clasp, and since I live in a very humid and hot country, I really need to keep adjusting my bracelets all the time. Do you know if they are going to sell them separately? I asked using the Aliexpress messaging system, but they usually don't respond to me. Can you please ask them and let me know? Thanks! UPDATE!!! They just replied, and they are selling it in the future YESSSSSSS!!!
Cool that San Martin is giving people what the want whilst keeping impressive standards/finishing. Gary, how has working to get your own watches produced changed or influenced your reviews and/or what you notice in a watch?
@@ilikewatchesits an upgrade to my pagani Starbucks. I was mulling over a few different watches, but ever since becoming obsessed with watches again over these past few yrs,I've wanted a San Martin sub 😁
That's a terminator watch! A true tool watch!! Why didn't Rolex did this before its a mistery too me. I hope they sell this with an SW200. This can be a truly serious watch to buy, probably the first that goes beyond a simple homage. I have the gen Rolex, I can't wait to compare them
Better without a signed rehaut. The only reason some other makes do that is to make copying harder. Signed rehaut makes no functional or aesthetic sense, especially on a tool watch.
I don't like Ti at all, makes the watches feel cheap, something about the light weight, they scratch super easy too, idk, if anything I would love they got W for the added density, but I think it's too hard to work with so it may never happen
Featherweight watches are 100% not my thing. And I’d be surprised if they sell all that well because I don’t know anyone who does crave a chunky watch that feels like a dress watch on. Paradoxical clash of desires. The crystal is quite nice though.
@kellypaws Well, you know one now....HaHa! I absolutely love Titanium! My dream watch is a Rolex Submariner in Titanium! I'll be buying this watch as soon as it's released!
What watch looks like this. What watch is built like this. What capacity of lume. Hands have multiple hands configs. Choice is when you ask san martin to build your watch. More Craftmade than most others. I love all my Chinese watches. They are mostly just right for the price paid. I love the next few months. Capacity faults me to cheap time pieces. But it's the flavor guys. Learn more about watches.
I've never been attracted to the submariner watch. It seems to me that it is played out. To me it feels like you are trying too much to get on the hype train to have the one with a crown on the dial. I love all watch homages but this one is one I refuse to buy.
@@nintendokings There's far cheaper watches with far, far better bezel movement and alignment from supposed lesser brands so I don't think it's much of an ask. Easily pleased = the perfect target.
@@seanhickling7340 name them. I’ve had my share of Seikos/Citizen/Casio/Orient and for ~£150 they pale in comparison to San Martin for a good quality dive watch
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This...this is the kind of homage i like to see. brushed case sides with a chamfered edge, female endlinks, no date, domed crystal, on the fly adjust. Bravo SM, bravo.
I used to work on a cargo ship that would occasionally take a load of titanium ore. Very interesting stuff, the raw ore coming out of the ground from that mine was about 80% metal. The ore chunks were about the size of an adult fist and had a kind of dull shiny appearance. Although titanium is known to be a lightweight metal, when it was loaded into the ship it appeared to take up much less space in the holds than the equivalent load (30 000 tons) of iron ore pellets.
Wow, absolutely love that clasp. Nice one Gary. 👏👏👏 NH35 is a good solid movement and I've become ok with the ghost position. NH38 would be nice but it wouldn't stop me if I like the watch.
I like it! Especially the glossy enamel dial! It's still an homage but it moves a step away from the original with its female end links and the domed crystal. For there is no need to replace tried and tested stainless steel with scratch prone titanium unless the use hardening coating. They should use NH38 movements on no date watches instead.
It’s amazing over the last five years just how much better these type or style of homage watches have got better and even better, even if it does have a good old Seiko movement.
That’s a handsome watch, really like the new clasp. It’ll be great to see the titanium version when it’s released 👍. Great video as always Gary, cheers !!
Wow! This is a stunner! I predict that this will be one of San Martin's best sellers ever. The clasp, the sword hands option, even the titanium will be very desirable and I think they've got a winner here. Too bad I'm not in the market for a dive watch right now, or I'd be pulling out the credit card!
I bought one of their earlier grade 5 titanium watches. The finishing was great 👍. Quality was totally worth the money. Even the strap they put on was very quality.
Thanks for the video, great info 😊 I love micro adjust on the fly and been looking at San Martin for a while now. Do you know which models they are offering the micro adjust on the fly with please?
It’s their newer models…. I don’t have a list sorry
@@ilikewatches thank you. I will have a look at their newer stuff. The big boys really need to catch up with micro adjust on the fly. And I have to say that san Martin one sounded smoother than my Christopher Ward micro adjust so I’m quite interested to try it.
Love it. I thought I didn’t need any more San Martins … till now 😂
Gary, thanks for discussing how well the lume colour matches the white on the bezel insert! One thing that bugs me about my old SM submariner homage is how these colours don't match.
Yes crisp white throughout looks nicer then the clash of color imho.
I love how symmetrical it is. I have a couple of San Martin Milsubs, an SN006 and SN004 that I love. The good thing is I could get the titanium one and my wife won’t be able to tell that I bought another watch. 🤭
I love the NoDate version :)
Great review as always! I aspire my channel to one day do as half as well your channel and id be thrilled. Just reviewed my first San Martin and oh my was i impressed! Happy holidays from TheDiveWatcher.
Great looking watch. Nice review, Gary. Those new clasps are amazing, aren't they?
Yup, very impressive
@@ilikewatches do you think they will offer the new bracelet and clasp as an accessory for purchase on its own? That would be a useful retrofit for other models (seems to be a familiar 40mm case?)
@@richardfinlay2342 I actually asked them directly recently. They said that it’s not quite in the works yet, but they said they’ve gotten the request a lot recently and are looking into it! Here’s hoping, would love to order one to put on my SM watch.
Hi Gary,
Great video! Thanks for bringing this one to us. Is the bracelet taper 20mm to 16mm? How wide is the clasp?
Um the real question is will they beat Rolex to market in Titanium 😂
Lol
Yes, a great question 😂😂😂😂
They just keep improving!! I love San Martin watches! Titanium is going to sell like hot cakes!!
It would also be nice if in the near future they offer one of there 38mm submariner models in Titanium as well as the newer more modern maxi case version they plan on coming out soon too. I think both sizes would take care of everyone, the ones that are slightly outsized in the 40mm/41mm models. SM are already making Slimmer more appropriate sized BB Pro etc so Titanium Submariner seems like a no brainer and one equipped with the NH35 would make it a solid, reliable light Tank of a watch and would be priced better across the board and would be a very good GADA!!!
Ben Clayton LMBO!! Seeing the direction Rolex has been going lately lol I wouldn't be the least surprised if they beat em to it... They'd rather keep doing what you there doing.
What about the rehault? San Martin rehault is usually too high and too visible. Cronos rehault is usually a lot better, less high, less visible.
Please, Gary, don't campaign for signed rehauts! Great review, as always. Cheers!
I think it looks great. I'm glad they didn't go with a signed flange. It's never done good enough, and in the end, it just looks cheap.
I like titanium as a material and all things being equal would choose titanium. It has a tendency to scratch, though. Citizen has their proprietary Super-titanium and there are watches like Sinn and Damasko that use the most scratch resistant Titanium. It would be interesting to see titanium watches actually scratch tested to see which holds up better.
A good question. I do dive myself and have a Seiko titanium diver with hardened diashield coating and it's scratched to bits now, mostly from undersea pebbles, bits of coral, hitting the occasional metal strut from shipwrecks etc. The coating wears off over time. Stainless steel is better if you don't want to baby your watch constantly, but it's nice to have if you're careful.
Super Titanium is terrific.
@@e28forever30 That's good to know. Must check it out! 👍👍👍
Citizen's "proprietary Super Titanium" is just a garden variety Ti Nitride coating on the exterior surface that is applied via a vapor deposition process. It's regularly used on all kinds of products to give surface hardness and comes in lots of color options. Those gold colored "Titanium" drill bits are steel with a Ti Nitride coating on them.
@@mikegarcia687
Ok, thanks for the explanation.
Still very happy with my titanium Promaster Eco-Drive watches.
Good morning from South Africa
Hey Gary, is this a completely different watch from the sn017? Or is it an sn017 with updates?
Completely different!
@@ilikewatches Thanks so much!
Beautiful watch. Other than the luxury branding, it really covers the needs. Thanks and great video again!
I'm here for the GS. I'll give it a good home
Which is the best in your opinion
Sn019 or sn017.??
Really nice piece this is... No date too winner !!!
You can fix that alignment by dipping it in some acetone to soften the glue then push the insert into place. Once the acetone evaporates the glue hardens again.
Maybe…hot water for a few minutes also works
@@ilikewatches It might! I never tried it with water though, only done it with acetone.
Oh sh!t, no. The Acetone can dissolve the gaskets.
I had that on a 5KX. Took off the bezel insert and all the gaskets exeunt stage left. Be careful with that.
"You can fix that alignment by dipping it in some acetone" that's crazy talk
I've done the hot water trick before, and it worked great!
SM's answer to the Ginault Ocean Rover
They could have knocked it out the park with slimmer crownguards though
In the future it would be nice to see a Rolex Explorer 2 Homage in a slimmer case and smaller dial 38 & or 39mm..
It clicks on almost all buttons as an homage of a well known diver. That clasp is a huge improvement and places this watch at the level of some more expensive Swiss made homages of the same super expensive diver. But I'm waiting for an eventual V2 so I can have my own logo on the dial ...
Very nice watch. As much as I like sword hands I think the originals look more appropriate for a dive watch. Very entertaining review 👍
Nice, so its somewhere in-between the "underwater craft" and the "those who dwell in the sea" but not as big as the "very deep dweller" made by Chronos? I'd actually buy that Chronos "dweller for deep people" if it was Ti.
Lol….I think you nailed it…are we still talking about the watch?
I hope Cronos is considering that! I would buy one of their Deep Sea homages in Titanium in a heart beat! After Gary sent his watch to the Hydraulic Press Channel and I saw how great they were, I had to have one. I now own four of them in every color. The faded blue to black dial being my favorite! This would be a great watch in Titanium!
Is the NH 38 a lot more expensive. Is this why few manufacturers don't use it. I have a Zebec Corsair with this movement and it seemed a reasonable price. I do miss the date sometimes. Great video and very nice watch.👍
Probably…
It’s more expensive, only a few pounds, not double or anything daft
Joining Seestern, Berny, Heimdallr/Tactical Frog in titanium is great!
Absolutely fantastic looking watch. Having had the titanium watch, a Citizen Promaster, I would probably avoid it on a dive watch. I see titanium as a great dress watch material. I always wonder why dress watches don't have titanium instead of divers and field watches. The hardened coatings don't work very well. If you intend to use the watch as it's intended stay away from titanium unless you don't mind the scratches.
This is a good one-and-done watch
Hi Gary. Brave of SM to go no date and produce such a clean and simple dial, but the detail like the bezel should be spot on as a result. I’ve been umming and ahhing over the Steeldive Willard all week, should I scratch the itch or not?
It’s good, the steeldive….very good value actually…they are prone to some qc weaknesses but get a good one and they are amazing…
Are the lugs and bracelet edges still sharp enough to cut drywall like they are with the sn017?
Just ordered the titanium. Thanks iLW & algorithm.
Best watch for a little bit😊
I like this would be nice if available in different colours at launch I had to listen at low volume so hopefully they are going to great video Gary
OMG, I need that clasp. I just purchased an SN0006 and an SN017 with the standard micro adjust clasp, and since I live in a very humid and hot country, I really need to keep adjusting my bracelets all the time. Do you know if they are going to sell them separately? I asked using the Aliexpress messaging system, but they usually don't respond to me. Can you please ask them and let me know? Thanks! UPDATE!!! They just replied, and they are selling it in the future YESSSSSSS!!!
Watchdives is now offering the clasp. I will also be ordering 2 for my other SMs.
Great looking watch
Thank You.
Titanium in this style count me in !
Nice, so glad they dropped the Cyclops - I hate them things
Cool that San Martin is giving people what the want whilst keeping impressive standards/finishing.
Gary, how has working to get your own watches produced changed or influenced your reviews
and/or what you notice in a watch?
I have a much greater appreciation for watch design and production…it’s not easy and it’s slow and very frustrating at times…
I'd love to see some videos on there process. How you even find a manufacturer to make the watches for you is a total mystery to me.
Great homage! Just needs a lot more text on the dial.
Was so close to getting this one as I love a no date, but the SN017 was cheaper so went with it.
Yup, the sn017 is very good value
@@ilikewatchesits an upgrade to my pagani Starbucks. I was mulling over a few different watches, but ever since becoming obsessed with watches again over these past few yrs,I've wanted a San Martin sub 😁
That's a terminator watch! A true tool watch!! Why didn't Rolex did this before its a mistery too me. I hope they sell this with an SW200. This can be a truly serious watch to buy, probably the first that goes beyond a simple homage.
I have the gen Rolex, I can't wait to compare them
Is it a lume pip, or just lume paint?
As soon as this is released I’m buying the titanium if it’s got their new glide clasp!!
They are getting insanely better and better. Even Rolex has done homage so I don't get the flare up from some
Agreed!
Better without a signed rehaut. The only reason some other makes do that is to make copying harder. Signed rehaut makes no functional or aesthetic sense, especially on a tool watch.
Can they please fix the font on the depth rating. Either just say 200m or use the correct font. Looks so boring the way they do it now.
“…given that there are people that, y’know, like to DWELL around in the ocean…or the SEA…”.
Cheeky.
Like the clasp, hands and no date but, why another versión of this watch of which there are tens of from almost every brand in Ali. Regards
This isn’t a sub homage…sea-dweller homage
Still, same style of watch, S.M. can and should do better with original designs at this stage of the game. Regards Gary, always a pleasure
I would want it in titanium, preferrably with a rubber strap to make it even lighter
Oh my this is compelling
very nice... love it.... cheers
Say it! Go on, just say it!!! 🤣🤣🤣
I'm torn between this and their new Pelagos homage.
I don't like Ti at all, makes the watches feel cheap, something about the light weight, they scratch super easy too, idk, if anything I would love they got W for the added density, but I think it's too hard to work with so it may never happen
It’s a bad idea to remove mirror polish on the side
I will stick with my Ocean Star, same style, much better movement... Cheers
I like the stainless steel watches over the titanium all day , everyday. The color in stainless to titanium is day and night......
NH35? Big disappointment. That movement with that clasp? What a shame that they don't offer different movement options.
Featherweight watches are 100% not my thing. And I’d be surprised if they sell all that well because I don’t know anyone who does crave a chunky watch that feels like a dress watch on.
Paradoxical clash of desires.
The crystal is quite nice though.
@kellypaws Well, you know one now....HaHa! I absolutely love Titanium! My dream watch is a Rolex Submariner in Titanium! I'll be buying this watch as soon as it's released!
@@sinjinadams2862 Well, it isn't to my tastes. At all. But I hope you very much enjoy it when you get it.
I bet it still wont go over a dive suit, wet suit or dry suit. AS THATS HOW YOU WEAR THEM when diving the oceans.
STAINANIUM
Watches with a combination of 65% S.S. & 35% Titanium
What watch looks like this.
What watch is built like this.
What capacity of lume.
Hands have multiple hands configs.
Choice is when you ask san martin to build your watch.
More Craftmade than most others. I love all my Chinese watches.
They are mostly just right for the price paid.
I love the next few months.
Capacity faults me to cheap time pieces.
But it's the flavor guys.
Learn more about watches.
Good morning from arizona.
Shout out to Dewey AZ!!
Good morning from New Jersey.
Mooooooorning all!
What’s the model number on this one?
SN0111
How exiting! Another submariner! So original and creative :)
I guess you can’t own them all, doesn’t stop you wanting to though.
Batman?
I've never been attracted to the submariner watch. It seems to me that it is played out. To me it feels like you are trying too much to get on the hype train to have the one with a crown on the dial. I love all watch homages but this one is one I refuse to buy.
It’s not a sun homage, Sea-dweller
I think at this price point the bezel is unacceptable.
I’d hate to hear what you think of Seiko 😂
~£150 and you expect always perfect alignment? Oof tough crowd.
@@nintendokings There's far cheaper watches with far, far better bezel movement and alignment from supposed lesser brands so I don't think it's much of an ask.
Easily pleased = the perfect target.
@@seanhickling7340 name them. I’ve had my share of Seikos/Citizen/Casio/Orient and for ~£150 they pale in comparison to San Martin for a good quality dive watch
@@nintendokings Duro. I have two. The bezels on both of them knock the San Martins out of the park for ⅓ of the price. Next irrelevant question?
Not another submariner homage….😵💫
It’s not no….
Ghost date then? Hard no. That’s just lazy.
Nothing special, the NH35 would put me off.
Petty it has such a dead ugly minute hand, and the indicators are too fat... why the bling, it doesn't need that..
Mate, this is a Submariner homage not a Sea Dweller 🤦♂️ 300m, no date, no helium escape valve...definitely a Submariner homage.
They told me directly they took inspiration from the Sea-Dweller…