I'll probably never hear the end of this if I don't say it here. Yes I say Connectix as "Kinects", similar to Modern Vintage Gamer. I almost re-recorded it to match Steve. I always figured it was a clever homophone for a company famous for it's app, Speed Doubler and RAM Doubler. Steve probably is more correct, although he also called OS X Jaguar, "Jagwire".
Not sure what you mean. MVG says it right. Now, what’s with the thumbnail using the word “illegal”? I’m inclined to skip this clickbait out of spite. As someone forced to sell his sealed copy of Virtual Game Station along with the rest of my decades-old original-owner big box PC collection when displaced by an EF4 tornado, I know the story well enough to know that you intentionally misrepresented it. Not only was Connectix VGS not illegal, it literally set the legal precedent. Sony tried to claim it was illegal and lost in court. Meanwhile, the DMCA happened and Yuzu promoted using it to play Tears of the Kingdom one day before release… which required encryption/decryption keys in clear violation of the DMCA. It was the cornerstone of Nintendo’s case that it was not intended for fair use exceptions to the DMCA.
Well, I watched it. Interesting to see you also grabbed it early like I did. ;) Also, I have that same Mac Server you show next to it. Does yours have the optional Zip drive + bezel like mine? It looks like it’s in great condition too. When I look on eBay they all have cracked handles though somehow mine has escaped that fate.
@@emmettturner9452 that sucks about boxed copy, mine is lost or the sands of time, I have the disc still, or better worded my brother does. Titles and thumbnails are malleable, and making exciting titles is part of the game. I try to adhere to the concept of "clickbait for good," as I'm always trying to educate the user and not try to mislead. I've definitely had salacious title ideas and nixed them. This one uses Betteridge's law. Hopefully, anyone who watches it realizes that emulation was established as legal because of the Connectix v Sony case. Not only was copying the BIOS for reverse engineering legal, but the trademark wasn't infringed on either. I probably could've tied in the idea that Steve was promoting something that was legally gray at the time. There are already things I wish I would've done differently in this video, but that's how it goes. Not every title I have is as attention-grabbing as this one, but I had the receipts, and hopefully, that came across.
steve just casually pulling the idea of a game emulation up on the keynote has an odd deja vu to Apple introducing Game Porting Toolkit on WWDC ... food for thought
It's not as surprising if you know that Steve Jobs and Wozniak both were making blue boxes and selling them to people who wanted to make free calls back before Apple was a thing.
I was at Macworld Expo in San Francisco when this was launched. Both programmers was on the show room floor still ironing out the bugs last minute changes. The copyI bought at the convention was burned right in front of me when purchased. It was amazing to go home with this software as a Mac owner.
Duckstation is the better option for PS1 emulation over the Mednafen port that OpenEmu uses. It's the most actively updated and has the best suite of graphical enhancements. Something you didn't touch on that I think is interesting is Sony's change of attitude over the years towards emulators. The Playstation Classic mini console Sony released back in 2018, while not well regarded for it's quality, used the open source Playstation emulator PCSX ReARMed (a fork of PCSX optimized for ARM CPUs). Keeping in mind that PCSX was contemporary to the Playstation 1's life cycle, with versions of the emulator being released concurrently with commercial PS1 game releases.
Yup, mentioned the graphics on duck station. I didn’t even think about the mini PlayStation and the ruckus it caused since it’s in a commercial product. That’s an interesting point. I’d be curious if Sony’s higher ups who oppose emulation even understand what their console does… I also didn’t touch on the rumor that the PlayStation 3 used VGS code but that’s impossible to confirm.
I bought one in 2018 around Christmas time for £49.99 reduced from £89.99. Apparently in June 2019 they were reduced again to £26.99 to try to get rid of them since nobody wanted them. Which makes me wonder who's buying the ones that people are selling on Amazon today for >£100
I don't think Sony has really changed their attitude towards emulators; the PS Classic was THEIR product, and their problem with VGS and bleem! was always fear that it would impact their profits.
@@scpredmage Sony's product, that included an emulator that is someone else's product which was created through reverse engineering Sony's original product. Any PS4 emulator they're likely to be watching like hawks, waiting for them to screw up and tip their hand re: encouraging piracy or anything else that might be actionable. But unlike Nintendo they clearly don't believe that community-made emulators have no value at all.
@@scheeseman486two different types Sony doesn’t look at the previous games made as value once sold it’s done unless it’s a remaster then that’s a different story but Nintendo re releases old games on new hardware no remaster nothing so they have more to loose
I used to have a buch of Connectix products, including this one! One correction, when I went to their booth at MacWorld Expo way back in the early 2000s, I'm sure I remember the Connectix people in their vendors booth pronounced it "Connect-icks," not "kinetics." Edit, Steve Jobs pronounces it correctly at 2:52
I *knew* I'd get this comment, I always took it as the company was making a homophone for "kinetics" as that's clever for a company who original was known for Speed Doubler (and RAM Doubler). I almost went back re-recorded this to match Steve Jobs, sorta like the in-joke in another video where I purposely said "Jag-wire" for jaguar. I just went to check out how someone else pronounces it, and Modern Vintage Gamer is closer to "kinetics"
I can totally remember seeing that box art like it was yesterday. I don't think I bought it for my iMac G3, but maybe I did?? Thanks for the trip down memory lane. It's amazing how important them winning that court case was and it's affect on the emulator scene today.
Yeah, I almost didn't make this video as I had the idea awhile ago but Modern Vintage Gamer has a better technical video. However when Yuzu's news hit I decided to dust off the idea and tell a story as opposed to break down the technical stuff.
I still remember the day I got my CVGS and started playing PlayStation games on my iMac. Ironically, this proved to be a major factor in my decision to purchase a PS3 about 15 years later, since I could play the PS1 titles I'd purchased for the CVGS on it. Emulation and backwards compatibility - the two foundations of game preservation.
It's why I haven't supported Nintendo since the Wii U, it's all about cash grabs and recycled games. Nothing creative coming from Nintendo anymore. They've been coasting on Nintendo quality prices for too long
Now you got to go through many hoops just to run a emulator for the iPhone and similar devices, the better version of this imac, and their products have become way less repairable and user caring
Good news, that retroarch will never shut down, due to any of copyright issues. Because retroarch isn't even an emulator at all, its a software that just operates emulator cores)
It was legally gray and poking the tiger, I probably should have made it clearer that Steve Jobs promoted something that was dubious and legally untested and ultimately it was decided it was not illegal.
It was absolutely legal. There was even a court case that proved it was always legal. One big reason to never trust the thumbnail on clickbait channels such as this!
I didn’t get to try VGS until a couple years after launch. Already had a PS1 at the time but didn’t have a G3 powered machine. Still thought it was really cool to play GT on my Mac when I finally did get a G4.
The Virtual PC from Connectix actually did end up beeing used as base for the XBOX Emulator which was used in the XBOX 360. As the XBOX 360 is PPC G5 based and the OG XBOX is Intel Pentium 3 based.
If you haven’t seen it, I made a video about Half-Life and the Mac port video is embedded here: blog.greggant.com/posts/2024/06/25/half-life-for-the-mac-canceled-and-revived.html
I owned a G3 Tower and the original software. Those were good ol days. I also liked how Connectix improved the graphics quality and speed (slightly) of those games. I also installed it on my macbook during military deployments. Having a Playstation on my mac to go was a dream.
I think when the first disc systems came out, most people became a lot less sympathetic to the idea that emulation was all about piracy because it no longer required specialized [and stigmatized] hardware to load a legitimate retail copy of the game on a computer. Like in the cartridge era, console manufacturers could do the doublespeak where "most people don't have cartridge readers so they'll have to download roms from the internet which is illegal" and "cartridge readers should be illegal because they can be used to make roms that get uploaded to the internet", but you 100% cannot make the same argument about a CD-ROM drive. The argument turns around from "Nintendo doesn't like emulation because you're not paying for the game so you're getting something for nothing" to "Sony doesn't like emulation because you're not paying for the *system*? fuck 'em, i paid for the game didn't i"
Indeed, my PSX ISOs are self ripped games my brother still owns. Somewhere on his shelf is a copy of all the games in this video. I paid for Crash Team Racing and Jet Moto 3, I figure it’s shouldn’t be anyone’s business but my own what I do with them 25 years later (assuming it’s not distributing them). It’s entirely possible for someone to be emulating 3 generations of Sony PlayStation games and doing it legally. I’m not going to pretend I dumped the bios, but my brother has my old PlayStation with the RCA jacks to this day.
actually, i remember when i first heard of Emulation with NES games in early 2008, But dang emu was being considered in 1999? thats crazy. I bet even earlier than that because i know few arcade engineers actually were trying to crack the code back then to play arcade games from PCB to a rigged-up Tandy or IBM CPU with their tech skills to play "test" games on alternate CPU's back. Nowadays Emulations is considered to be a platform to retro gaming. so In the end Copyright, isn't so copyrighted as it was intended to be back then.
The late 1990s it was kinda looked as just for piracy NES and SNES got pretty good but you needed a decent cpu, which might sound funny now but usually 200+ MHz or so to be able to emulate SNES. Now they’re amazingly accurate.
"It doesn't take much to run it. The target computer was the original 233mhz iMac G3". I had this when it was new and I can recall the framerate being very poor even on a 350mhz slot-loading iMac.
Interesting, my computers at the time were a PowerMac G3 450 and a PowerBook G3 500 MHz as I did the stupidest thing imaginable, spent all the money I had saved on computers. Lesson learned about frugality. Anyhow, never tried it on anything lower speced. My roommate had an iMac DV and I saw it working on it but I think that was 400+ MHz too.
Ha, yeah, not sure what the hell happened as I typed them in, might have only been on my draft copy. They're up there now. Thanks for pointing that out.
If he did, he would be disappointed in Apple nowadays they won’t let emulators on their phones or platform. I would love old-school emulators, but I’m not worried about it now because I got a. Rog Ally
The one part of Connectix's story that everyone forgets is that once Mircosoft acquired them in 2003, they were using their emulation engineers to create the emulator that would be used for the original Xbox to be played on the Xbox 360. If Microsoft never acquired them, the Entertainment and Devices division would have never likely started working on the back compat program for the Xbox One that would only get further enhanced by the Xbox One X and the Series X So these guys playing fire with Sony, opened the door to one of the biggest leaps forward in game preservation, and making the original games play better than they ever did on original hardware without touching the original code to do it
This comment is only marginally related to the video, but personally, I've always found it easier to use stand-alone emulators rather than one big inclusive front end with various 'cores". A stand-alone emulator can have settings and options tailored specifically to the system in question, without getting bogged down in other stuff. It's easier to troubleshoot problems if you only have to worry about system specific settings and not a bunch of global settings as well. Beyond that, I guess giant programs with cores just seem messy to me, whereas stand-alone emulators seem neater. I like to be able to archive everything for the future, so that I can re-install it even without an internet connection. That's easier to do with a stand-alone program, as big front end programs NEVER come with the latest updates. They either need to be installed right from within the program (requiring a net connection), or downloaded separately. The exception to this is when an emulator includes multiple systems from the same line. Like KegaFusion emulating the SG-1000, Master System, Game gear, Genesis, Sega-CD and 32x. However it irks me to have to use Mednafen just to get decent Atari Lynx emulation.
Great video. Not a lot of coverage on this early emulator out there. Supposedly, there was a hack or maybe an update for it under OS 9 that would allow it to run ISO's or maybe DMG's from a hard drive, but nobody can find it. I'd love to get that onto my 600 MHz Graphite iMac G3.
Yeah, I'm hazy on that. I saw the comments on MacintoshGarden but I can't recall if that actually happened or not. I would have demoed more games but I only had a handful of blank CD-Rs
@@dmug I've searched very thoroughly for it over the past year and haven't even found a hint about its existence other than that one comment on Mac Garden, but I do believe it. I chased down some other wild software for Mac and found it after some heavy investigating work and some help from the community. A lot of people seem to hoard rare software and their sources to themselves. It kills me.
It is perhaps ironic that Apple’s transition to Intel architecture was primarily because IBM did not honor its commitment to Apple on Power4 chips and restricted chip production and revisions/development to focus work the Cell processor project for Sony.
cool video! i gave up trying to play games on my macs because i could never get the controllers to work....is there somewhere to get a driver to use an original wired xbox controller on monteray? i even asked in apple forums and people keep talking about bluetooth when i dont have those controllers....is there anyway to get my controller to work on my mac mini? thanks!
Years ago I had a usb to Xbox cable and later an Xbox 360 usb receiver, but I haven’t checked on those in many years as my Xbox 360 died a sad ring of death about 17 or 18 years ago. You’d probably have to buy one and just hope it converts to the HID standard and doesn’t require third party drivers or see if there’s a modern app equivalent to Gamepad Companion. macOS supports the modern controllers out of the box, I use a ps4 controller for retro gaming. Apple has a list of the supported controllers. I’d recommend those as they’re also the same ones supported by Steam, and in windows etc.
@@dmug well i have a converter to olug it into my mac or pc, pc recognizes it mac wont. I lost my good macs in a house fire recently and so im actually using an hp elitedesk 800g1 and it is hackintoshed with monterey, but the bluetooth/ WiFi are not compatible, so until i find a compatible dual card i have no choice but to use wired controllers. Is there a site that has old drivers for any usb controllers? I could at least give it a shot. I borrowed an Xbox one controller, and plugged it in but it still doesn’t wasnt recognized. Is there a wired controller that definitely works from amazon or anywhere? There must be some way to add a controller. I have a mac mini with Catalina on it, it that a better solution? Does catalina find xbox controllers?
I remember playing a legitimately-purchased copy of FF9 on my Wintel PC in early-2001 using a supposedly-legal emulator. It was a pretty cool experience. I could have bought a PS1, but I would have also needed to buy a TV since I didn't have one in my room.
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yooooo coming in CLUTCH!@@dmug tysm im DL'in this right now! great video btw, nintendo's in the wrong they have NO basis for what they're doing, you're doing the emulation lord's work.
I've always wondered... when companies or organizations that are either crowdfunded or not funded at all like Yuzu, how can they possibly pay $2.4 million?
If I recall right, they were making in the tens of thousands a month from Patreon, they settled out of court. Nintendo's legal team probably figured out an angle as they sued on the grounds of breaking the encryption of games was illegal. That was legally untested, but they likely knew that some of the devs facilitated piracy at some level like downloading roms or distributing them and it'd be revealed in the discovery phase. Rather than fight it, Yuzu folded. Probably the best move for emulation as they were not the organization to fight it.
To be far back in the late 90's when I was a kid getting my first PC with a cd reader, my first thought was that it would be able to play PlayStation games somehow; so i feel its just a fundamental concept. I'm glad to see that they actually already did have the power to do it even then so i wasn't a foolish child to assume the PC could achieve console emulation
Didn't have a Mac tho so I am only hearing that they actually did have software like that; at that time today. I was able to emulate other consoles like Gameboy and SNES tho on my PC in the early 2000's but N64 and PlayStation i couldn't get running on PC emulators properly till the like 2007+ due to not having any beasty GPUs but to imagine macs were running PS1 in 99 is crazy... At least my BlackBerry Q10 could run Playstation 1 games in 2013 which was impressive since it was certainly no iPhone.
The companies will never win as close one, another 1 or 2 at least spring up, and mirrors of emulators, content, etc. Nintendo et al. continue to waste money on these kinds of things when in reality it makes no real difference to their bottom line finances. I obviously accept copyrights are there for a reason, but emulation of older systems to my mind is fair game as they've made all the money they've likely to have made off decades old titles already.
Long run they will if they won now…. Don’t worry, emulation and theft will always be legal in the USA, where it has been the doctrine of business since 1776.
It's not quite true that they shelved VGS entirely... The POPS emulator that is used to play psx games on PSP apparently uses some portions of the code, I believe for GPU emulation as the psp already has a mips cpu that is compatible with the cpu on the original psx.
If I took a shot every time you said Connectix wrong in this video, I'd probably need my stomach pumped... Steve Jobs said it right literally in your video...
I could play some playstation games on my dreamcast. but the company had to shut down too EDIT: OK it's at the end of the video lol, it was called Bleemcast!
Yeah, Bleem is a story in itself, I know Sony fought them multiple times and they won out but inevitably lost by attrition. I haven’t checked UA-cam for the history but I’m sure someone has done a video on it.
Actually Conectix WON the case. Sony then wanted to settle and then offered to buy the rights to the emulator code. EMULATION IS LEGAL. The code in Virtual Game Station was all Connectix code and used no Sony Code. Connectix did dissassemble the Playstation Bios by copying it from a playstation they purchased to a computer, but this was ruled fair use as they were not selling it or mass copying it but instead studying its functions to write their own version of a program that did something similar. Fun Fact: Even though Nintendo claims it is illegal on their website, but if it were, their Virtual Consoles on the Wii, Wii U, and Switch would be illegal as they are indeed emulators.
The fact that Sony sued the company in this video got sued. I know bleem another ps1 emulator for sale back then, went on to form the backbone for the PS1 emulator for the PS2.
Bleem happened a few months after Connectix, but had more difficulty coming to market as an upstart whereas Connectix already had made several successful products. It did manage to get boxed copies in some retailers but had others orders cancelled. If I recall right, since it enhanced games it supported much fewer games. The Dreamcast version never hit the original goal and had only 3 supported games and required a separate copy for each game. I actually tried to buy bleem at the time for the Dreamcast but couldn’t get an order and had it cancelled.I think that was 2000 probably from outpost.com. It’s interesting as I assumed Connectix VGS was the more famous of the two but I was and still am a Mac user.
And that's why Yuzu's profiting off of the emulator _wasn't_ the part Nintendo was suing over. That's probably the most wildly misunderstood part of the lawsuit. Rather, they were arguing Yuzu was profiting off of copy-protection circumvention tools. In that sense, the lawsuit was very narrow in the parts that had a chance to fly in court. However, they swung wide and a lot of emulator developers dropped out of the game in fear over it. The rumors of the death of emulators is greatly exaggerated.
I didn’t get into Yuzu, the other part is Nintendo’s lawyers while doing fact finding probably knew if during discovery they’d also find team members of Yuzu aiding or facilitating piracy too. It’s better they folded as it could have tested the legality breaking DRM in emulation and made for an ugly future.
Funny how Steve openly endorsed an unofficial emulator yet nowadays Apple is very much against opening up their mobile devices to sideloading and emulators, only begrudgingly complying because the EU forced them to. And yes, Sony licenced the PCSX ReARMed core for their PS1 Classic microconsole and even tacitly gave former PCSX2 devs their blessing for developing official emulation solutions for porting classic games to the PS5.
I never saw that they officially licensed, just that they used it. I keep hoping that European Union will force Apple into some compliance. It’s funny as Sony would be certainly barred from releasing a PSX emulator on iOS or tvOS or iPadOS.
UI isn't as friendly, pretty or Mac like as OpenEmu but RetroArch is the superior option. OpenEmu though is stupidly easy to use. I'm probably going to use it at some point in the future with my Mac Pro 2013.
Thumbnail is a little clickbait-y inaccurate. I don't know if I'd call it 'illegal' since they did reverse engineer it and win the case against Sony. Since they settled the appeal and Sony bought it out, that's the only grey area for legality. The big difference now is that since Yuzu was open source, and the case was only against the parent developers' LLC company, forks of Yuzu have already sprung up and will just need new developers to continue it. All that said, I had VGS back in the day before we got a real PSone and I could swear the performance and graphics looked better on VGS than a real PSone.
Kinda, the point is that legally speaking, emulation was untested in the court of law at the time Steve Jobs promoted PlayStation emulation. I wish I would have said that explicitly instead of left it to inference Then told the rest of the story of how emulation became codified.
@@dmug Actually, reverse engineering, and emulation in general, had already been tested in the 1980s which eventually set up the case for Sony v Connectix. If you want to know more in that area research this law Semiconductor Chip Protection Act of 1984
The problem with emulators is that it allows people to play pirated games. If there was a drm embedded in the emulator that wouldn’t work with pirated games and would only allow purchased games. There wouldn’t be a problem with emulators.
Yeah I don’t think I made it clear enough that the original version had anti piracy measures, but there was hacked version that gave you the ability to play burned games.
For a commercial emulator, that would be up to the developers, some of them already do that (Polymega is an example that come to mind). For anything else (i.e. open source projects) it would be a stupid idea and go against the main purpose of emulation in general ragardless if it is an old or modern console.
Connectix VGS? On abandonware websites, yes. If you’re on a Mac check out duck station, you can force much better rendering on PSX games, I recently played Tony hawks pro skater 2 in 1440p on a flight back from Arizona recently on a MacBook 2017x
ironic how steve changes his opinion on this stuff the moment he is in the big boy pants himself. Disgusting. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Steve jobs introduced emulation? i dont why some big company like nintendo focus on that, Gaming emulation is a millionare business if tts properly adaptaed...
Imagine seriously recommend people rip their Playstation games to play on OpenEmu, what about you be realistic and say, "hey, or you could just download a rom of the game in 5 minutes". If a young kid gets into gaming like I did when I was young, they should not be expected to rip a playstation 1 disc in order to emulate it
Two things, I try to keep the spirit of legality in mind. They can always research that on their own time or go to a channel a little more comfortable with sailing the high seas. The information is out there. Also by demographics, only 1.3% of my audience is under 18 and roughly 75% of it being over the age of 25. My audience is mostly well into adulthood.
You can sue for an extremely wide range of reasons at the risk is frivolous lawsuits. Likely, Nintendo's lawyers realized during the discovery phase, that the developers of Yuzu committed or aided software piracy which would then be revealed. They also sued not on the grounds of emulation as whole but breaking the encryption on the games which may or may not be piracy. This would have been extremely expensive to defend as it'd require employing a team of technical legal contractors to assist the legal team's defense. Nintendo didn't win legally speaking, but swung a bigger stick as they had more money. So no legal precedence was set.
It's how the game is played on UA-cam. If you don't have a hook, your content won't get seen. If you make pure clickbait, people will watch only seconds of the video before bailing, and UA-cam's algo will see the terrible watch times, and stop pushing the video and it'll get buried. However, if you make a video that has a hook, and you deliver (aka people watch the majority of your video) then it'll get pushed by by the algo. This is what happened with this video. There's nothing truly misleading here. This is the story of the how Connectix was sued by Sony as emulation had never been tested in the courts. Sony thought it was illegal. Turns out, the 9th District Court thought otherwise and the supreme court declined to hear it. It also stands right now as a fairly highly rated video at 98% and has netted my channel a few hundred subscribers, so clearly people enjoy the video.
Pretty sure you got the bleem thing hella wrong at the end. You would have been better off pretending you never heard about it. It makes half of this video somewhat dishonest.
@@Qvorum Yeah, it kinda is. Titles and thumbnails are malleable, and making interesting titles are part of the game. I try to adhere to the concept of “clickbait for good”, as I’m always trying to educate the user and I’m not trying to mislead or sell anything. I’ve definitely had more salacious title ideas and nixed them. This one uses Betteridge's law and thus a user can deduce it.
Sony tried make a case to make it illegal, hence the story arch. It’s a bit hyperbolic but also at the time, it wasn’t established if it was legal or illegal.
Eh, There has been the whole Hackintosh scene for about 18 years now, and Apple has never really taken much action against it existing, except when a few companies tried to sell computers with OS X preinstalled as that’s software piracy. My guess is if tomorrow Sony announced a virtual machine host for the PlayStation, and it supported macOS, Apple would probably just shrug. It’s legal and Apple allows it.
@@dmug "Hackintosh" is made by users of their own volition not companies. Steve here used PlayStation to leverage his own product, and that's not the same as saying PS now supports VM. You don't see the difference or what? If apple could pursue hackintosh users legally they would, but they literally can't.
@@amonynous9041better analogy: you can run macOS via QEMU and it’s legal. I’m hardly one for defending Apple as my channel has quite a bit of dunking on Apple but of things to get mad about, this strikes me as a bit silly. Apple doesn’t have to pursue hackintoshes, they could put tough copy protection in but they don’t.
@@dmug QEMU is an open source emulator and VM, completely outside of apples influence. It is not designed to run macos SPECIFICALLY, but anything you like. You see the difference?
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I'll probably never hear the end of this if I don't say it here. Yes I say Connectix as "Kinects", similar to Modern Vintage Gamer. I almost re-recorded it to match Steve. I always figured it was a clever homophone for a company famous for it's app, Speed Doubler and RAM Doubler. Steve probably is more correct, although he also called OS X Jaguar, "Jagwire".
Sounds like you say Kinetics, not Kinects. lol
Now I am sad that body tracking never really took off....
i have this software in the box
Not sure what you mean. MVG says it right.
Now, what’s with the thumbnail using the word “illegal”? I’m inclined to skip this clickbait out of spite. As someone forced to sell his sealed copy of Virtual Game Station along with the rest of my decades-old original-owner big box PC collection when displaced by an EF4 tornado, I know the story well enough to know that you intentionally misrepresented it.
Not only was Connectix VGS not illegal, it literally set the legal precedent. Sony tried to claim it was illegal and lost in court. Meanwhile, the DMCA happened and Yuzu promoted using it to play Tears of the Kingdom one day before release… which required encryption/decryption keys in clear violation of the DMCA. It was the cornerstone of Nintendo’s case that it was not intended for fair use exceptions to the DMCA.
Well, I watched it. Interesting to see you also grabbed it early like I did. ;) Also, I have that same Mac Server you show next to it. Does yours have the optional Zip drive + bezel like mine? It looks like it’s in great condition too. When I look on eBay they all have cracked handles though somehow mine has escaped that fate.
@@emmettturner9452 that sucks about boxed copy, mine is lost or the sands of time, I have the disc still, or better worded my brother does.
Titles and thumbnails are malleable, and making exciting titles is part of the game. I try to adhere to the concept of "clickbait for good," as I'm always trying to educate the user and not try to mislead. I've definitely had salacious title ideas and nixed them. This one uses Betteridge's law.
Hopefully, anyone who watches it realizes that emulation was established as legal because of the Connectix v Sony case. Not only was copying the BIOS for reverse engineering legal, but the trademark wasn't infringed on either. I probably could've tied in the idea that Steve was promoting something that was legally gray at the time. There are already things I wish I would've done differently in this video, but that's how it goes. Not every title I have is as attention-grabbing as this one, but I had the receipts, and hopefully, that came across.
steve just casually pulling the idea of a game emulation up on the keynote has an odd deja vu to Apple introducing Game Porting Toolkit on WWDC ... food for thought
It's not as surprising if you know that Steve Jobs and Wozniak both were making blue boxes and selling them to people who wanted to make free calls back before Apple was a thing.
@@MrCobalt Once a pirate always a pirate
I was at Macworld Expo in San Francisco when this was launched. Both programmers was on the show room floor still ironing out the bugs last minute changes. The copyI bought at the convention was burned right in front of me when purchased. It was amazing to go home with this software as a Mac owner.
Wow, that's even crazier than me getting a boxed copy of version 1.0 or 1.1. I remember how amazing it was.
Duckstation is the better option for PS1 emulation over the Mednafen port that OpenEmu uses. It's the most actively updated and has the best suite of graphical enhancements.
Something you didn't touch on that I think is interesting is Sony's change of attitude over the years towards emulators. The Playstation Classic mini console Sony released back in 2018, while not well regarded for it's quality, used the open source Playstation emulator PCSX ReARMed (a fork of PCSX optimized for ARM CPUs). Keeping in mind that PCSX was contemporary to the Playstation 1's life cycle, with versions of the emulator being released concurrently with commercial PS1 game releases.
Yup, mentioned the graphics on duck station. I didn’t even think about the mini PlayStation and the ruckus it caused since it’s in a commercial product. That’s an interesting point. I’d be curious if Sony’s higher ups who oppose emulation even understand what their console does… I also didn’t touch on the rumor that the PlayStation 3 used VGS code but that’s impossible to confirm.
I bought one in 2018 around Christmas time for £49.99 reduced from £89.99. Apparently in June 2019 they were reduced again to £26.99 to try to get rid of them since nobody wanted them. Which makes me wonder who's buying the ones that people are selling on Amazon today for >£100
I don't think Sony has really changed their attitude towards emulators; the PS Classic was THEIR product, and their problem with VGS and bleem! was always fear that it would impact their profits.
@@scpredmage Sony's product, that included an emulator that is someone else's product which was created through reverse engineering Sony's original product.
Any PS4 emulator they're likely to be watching like hawks, waiting for them to screw up and tip their hand re: encouraging piracy or anything else that might be actionable. But unlike Nintendo they clearly don't believe that community-made emulators have no value at all.
@@scheeseman486two different types Sony doesn’t look at the previous games made as value once sold it’s done unless it’s a remaster then that’s a different story but Nintendo re releases old games on new hardware no remaster nothing so they have more to loose
I used to have a buch of Connectix products, including this one! One correction, when I went to their booth at MacWorld Expo way back in the early 2000s, I'm sure I remember the Connectix people in their vendors booth pronounced it "Connect-icks," not "kinetics."
Edit, Steve Jobs pronounces it correctly at 2:52
I *knew* I'd get this comment, I always took it as the company was making a homophone for "kinetics" as that's clever for a company who original was known for Speed Doubler (and RAM Doubler). I almost went back re-recorded this to match Steve Jobs, sorta like the in-joke in another video where I purposely said "Jag-wire" for jaguar. I just went to check out how someone else pronounces it, and Modern Vintage Gamer is closer to "kinetics"
I can totally remember seeing that box art like it was yesterday. I don't think I bought it for my iMac G3, but maybe I did?? Thanks for the trip down memory lane. It's amazing how important them winning that court case was and it's affect on the emulator scene today.
Yeah, I almost didn't make this video as I had the idea awhile ago but Modern Vintage Gamer has a better technical video. However when Yuzu's news hit I decided to dust off the idea and tell a story as opposed to break down the technical stuff.
I still remember the day I got my CVGS and started playing PlayStation games on my iMac.
Ironically, this proved to be a major factor in my decision to purchase a PS3 about 15 years later, since I could play the PS1 titles I'd purchased for the CVGS on it.
Emulation and backwards compatibility - the two foundations of game preservation.
Nintendo Today: Waaaa Play games on our systems
Steve Jobs in 1999: You want crash Bandicoot? I gotchu fam
It's why I haven't supported Nintendo since the Wii U, it's all about cash grabs and recycled games. Nothing creative coming from Nintendo anymore. They've been coasting on Nintendo quality prices for too long
@@MikeRotch-ur7sxidk mario wonder was pretty original and fun
Waluigi vibes 😂
@@Ohthatguy64 1 original game, its been like a decade or so since we had a original game and not just recycled ideas.
@@grizzlycharizard0017What the hell are you talking about?
Now you got to go through many hoops just to run a emulator for the iPhone and similar devices, the better version of this imac, and their products have become way less repairable and user caring
It’s not that hard, AltStore is great.
Pretty cool, I didn’t know that it had another ps emulator besides bleem! in those days. Great Video!!
Cheers! From the UK. Love your content it’s right up my alley
Much appreciated!
This is an awesome vid, subscribed!!
Good news, that retroarch will never shut down, due to any of copyright issues. Because retroarch isn't even an emulator at all, its a software that just operates emulator cores)
But you can’t run it without the cores that violate copyright so if there are not cores….
Closed and locked down…. unless you’re ripping off another platform eh, Stevo? 😎😎😎
Great video.
so freakin cringe
Was it illegal though? Sony took Connectix to court and lost … whereupon Sony just acquired Connectix outright and discontinued the product.
It was legally gray and poking the tiger, I probably should have made it clearer that Steve Jobs promoted something that was dubious and legally untested and ultimately it was decided it was not illegal.
It was absolutely legal. There was even a court case that proved it was always legal. One big reason to never trust the thumbnail on clickbait channels such as this!
I didn’t get to try VGS until a couple years after launch. Already had a PS1 at the time but didn’t have a G3 powered machine. Still thought it was really cool to play GT on my Mac when I finally did get a G4.
The Virtual PC from Connectix actually did end up beeing used as base for the XBOX Emulator which was used in the XBOX 360. As the XBOX 360 is PPC G5 based and the OG XBOX is Intel Pentium 3 based.
Bro. Great video. Subscribed.
If you haven’t seen it, I made a video about Half-Life and the Mac port video is embedded here:
blog.greggant.com/posts/2024/06/25/half-life-for-the-mac-canceled-and-revived.html
I owned a G3 Tower and the original software. Those were good ol days. I also liked how Connectix improved the graphics quality and speed (slightly) of those games. I also installed it on my macbook during military deployments. Having a Playstation on my mac to go was a dream.
still sometimes play PS1 games on my iMac G3
I’ll probably do that now that I have it setup on my powermac g4. I need to test it in OS X.
Dude! Epic editing! Epic video! Thank you my good sir! ❤️
Thanks, these sorts of videos are really time consuming, my terrible animations take a lot of time.
I think when the first disc systems came out, most people became a lot less sympathetic to the idea that emulation was all about piracy because it no longer required specialized [and stigmatized] hardware to load a legitimate retail copy of the game on a computer.
Like in the cartridge era, console manufacturers could do the doublespeak where "most people don't have cartridge readers so they'll have to download roms from the internet which is illegal" and "cartridge readers should be illegal because they can be used to make roms that get uploaded to the internet", but you 100% cannot make the same argument about a CD-ROM drive.
The argument turns around from "Nintendo doesn't like emulation because you're not paying for the game so you're getting something for nothing" to "Sony doesn't like emulation because you're not paying for the *system*? fuck 'em, i paid for the game didn't i"
Indeed, my PSX ISOs are self ripped games my brother still owns.
Somewhere on his shelf is a copy of all the games in this video. I paid for Crash Team Racing and Jet Moto 3, I figure it’s shouldn’t be anyone’s business but my own what I do with them 25 years later (assuming it’s not distributing them). It’s entirely possible for someone to be emulating 3 generations of Sony PlayStation games and doing it legally. I’m not going to pretend I dumped the bios, but my brother has my old PlayStation with the RCA jacks to this day.
7:50 I had Bleem when I was 9 doing it by my self, I was the only kid in my whole school playing PS games on PC.
I got the disc at a store.
I never saw bleem in person back when. I recall the Dreamcast versions that would boot a single game and upscale it.
actually, i remember when i first heard of Emulation with NES games in early 2008, But dang emu was being considered in 1999? thats crazy. I bet even earlier than that because i know few arcade engineers actually were trying to crack the code back then to play arcade games from PCB to a rigged-up Tandy or IBM CPU with their tech skills to play "test" games on alternate CPU's back. Nowadays Emulations is considered to be a platform to retro gaming. so In the end Copyright, isn't so copyrighted as it was intended to be back then.
The late 1990s it was kinda looked as just for piracy NES and SNES got pretty good but you needed a decent cpu, which might sound funny now but usually 200+ MHz or so to be able to emulate SNES. Now they’re amazingly accurate.
When is Tim Cook gonna promote Ryujinx?
“We think you’re gonna love it….”
Love the retro or story/history videos
"It doesn't take much to run it. The target computer was the original 233mhz iMac G3".
I had this when it was new and I can recall the framerate being very poor even on a 350mhz slot-loading iMac.
Interesting, my computers at the time were a PowerMac G3 450 and a PowerBook G3 500 MHz as I did the stupidest thing imaginable, spent all the money I had saved on computers. Lesson learned about frugality. Anyhow, never tried it on anything lower speced. My roommate had an iMac DV and I saw it working on it but I think that was 400+ MHz too.
@@dmugI bet those had better GPUs which probably helped a lot too. I think the ATI Rage cards were popular at the time. Great video nonetheless btw!
Use the chapters. And there are no chapters! :D Nice one!
Ha, yeah, not sure what the hell happened as I typed them in, might have only been on my draft copy. They're up there now. Thanks for pointing that out.
ya connectix vgs, the best ps emu at that time.. run most games u throw at it.. man the nostalgia
If he did, he would be disappointed in Apple nowadays they won’t let emulators on their phones or platform. I would love old-school emulators, but I’m not worried about it now because I got a. Rog Ally
The one part of Connectix's story that everyone forgets is that once Mircosoft acquired them in 2003, they were using their emulation engineers to create the emulator that would be used for the original Xbox to be played on the Xbox 360. If Microsoft never acquired them, the Entertainment and Devices division would have never likely started working on the back compat program for the Xbox One that would only get further enhanced by the Xbox One X and the Series X
So these guys playing fire with Sony, opened the door to one of the biggest leaps forward in game preservation, and making the original games play better than they ever did on original hardware without touching the original code to do it
This comment is only marginally related to the video, but personally, I've always found it easier to use stand-alone emulators rather than one big inclusive front end with various 'cores". A stand-alone emulator can have settings and options tailored specifically to the system in question, without getting bogged down in other stuff. It's easier to troubleshoot problems if you only have to worry about system specific settings and not a bunch of global settings as well. Beyond that, I guess giant programs with cores just seem messy to me, whereas stand-alone emulators seem neater. I like to be able to archive everything for the future, so that I can re-install it even without an internet connection. That's easier to do with a stand-alone program, as big front end programs NEVER come with the latest updates. They either need to be installed right from within the program (requiring a net connection), or downloaded separately.
The exception to this is when an emulator includes multiple systems from the same line. Like KegaFusion emulating the SG-1000, Master System, Game gear, Genesis, Sega-CD and 32x. However it irks me to have to use Mednafen just to get decent Atari Lynx emulation.
Great video. Not a lot of coverage on this early emulator out there. Supposedly, there was a hack or maybe an update for it under OS 9 that would allow it to run ISO's or maybe DMG's from a hard drive, but nobody can find it. I'd love to get that onto my 600 MHz Graphite iMac G3.
Yeah, I'm hazy on that. I saw the comments on MacintoshGarden but I can't recall if that actually happened or not. I would have demoed more games but I only had a handful of blank CD-Rs
@@dmug I've searched very thoroughly for it over the past year and haven't even found a hint about its existence other than that one comment on Mac Garden, but I do believe it. I chased down some other wild software for Mac and found it after some heavy investigating work and some help from the community. A lot of people seem to hoard rare software and their sources to themselves. It kills me.
Emulators themselves aren't illegal as long as you have the games to run
It is perhaps ironic that Apple’s transition to Intel architecture was primarily because IBM did not honor its commitment to Apple on Power4 chips and restricted chip production and revisions/development to focus work the Cell processor project for Sony.
CVGS was revolutionary in my childhood. Bought at comp usa! Dont even know how i heard about it, but it was awesome!
cool video! i gave up trying to play games on my macs because i could never get the controllers to work....is there somewhere to get a driver to use an original wired xbox controller on monteray? i even asked in apple forums and people keep talking about bluetooth when i dont have those controllers....is there anyway to get my controller to work on my mac mini? thanks!
Years ago I had a usb to Xbox cable and later an Xbox 360 usb receiver, but I haven’t checked on those in many years as my Xbox 360 died a sad ring of death about 17 or 18 years ago. You’d probably have to buy one and just hope it converts to the HID standard and doesn’t require third party drivers or see if there’s a modern app equivalent to Gamepad Companion.
macOS supports the modern controllers out of the box, I use a ps4 controller for retro gaming. Apple has a list of the supported controllers. I’d recommend those as they’re also the same ones supported by Steam, and in windows etc.
@@dmug well i have a converter to olug it into my mac or pc, pc recognizes it mac wont. I lost my good macs in a house fire recently and so im actually using an hp elitedesk 800g1 and it is hackintoshed with monterey, but the bluetooth/ WiFi are not compatible, so until i find a compatible dual card i have no choice but to use wired controllers. Is there a site that has old drivers for any usb controllers? I could at least give it a shot. I borrowed an Xbox one controller, and plugged it in but it still doesn’t wasnt recognized. Is there a wired controller that definitely works from amazon or anywhere? There must be some way to add a controller. I have a mac mini with Catalina on it, it that a better solution? Does catalina find xbox controllers?
I remember playing a legitimately-purchased copy of FF9 on my Wintel PC in early-2001 using a supposedly-legal emulator. It was a pretty cool experience. I could have bought a PS1, but I would have also needed to buy a TV since I didn't have one in my room.
what's the music at 6:00 ? I'm digging the "walk on the wild side" sample on it thank you for anyone that has info
Track I produced for my man almost 15 years ago:
soundcloud.com/tyree-harris/09-drunk-food
financialaidalbum.com/
I can post a URL to the album download if you really want it
yooooo coming in CLUTCH!@@dmug tysm im DL'in this right now! great video btw, nintendo's in the wrong they have NO basis for what they're doing, you're doing the emulation lord's work.
Still got my disc.
Same, it’s at my brothers place. It’s in one of many cd binders.
I've always wondered... when companies or organizations that are either crowdfunded or not funded at all like Yuzu, how can they possibly pay $2.4 million?
If I recall right, they were making in the tens of thousands a month from Patreon, they settled out of court. Nintendo's legal team probably figured out an angle as they sued on the grounds of breaking the encryption of games was illegal. That was legally untested, but they likely knew that some of the devs facilitated piracy at some level like downloading roms or distributing them and it'd be revealed in the discovery phase. Rather than fight it, Yuzu folded. Probably the best move for emulation as they were not the organization to fight it.
I'm still using it on a 2004 eMac, funnier than using DuckStation on my modern Mac, "CRT power" I guess
It’d certainly give you more retro vibes. Do you have a pile of burned discs? I totally forgot about needing to burn each game until I made this vid.
To be far back in the late 90's when I was a kid getting my first PC with a cd reader, my first thought was that it would be able to play PlayStation games somehow; so i feel its just a fundamental concept. I'm glad to see that they actually already did have the power to do it even then so i wasn't a foolish child to assume the PC could achieve console emulation
Didn't have a Mac tho so I am only hearing that they actually did have software like that; at that time today. I was able to emulate other consoles like Gameboy and SNES tho on my PC in the early 2000's but N64 and PlayStation i couldn't get running on PC emulators properly till the like 2007+ due to not having any beasty GPUs but to imagine macs were running PS1 in 99 is crazy... At least my BlackBerry Q10 could run Playstation 1 games in 2013 which was impressive since it was certainly no iPhone.
maybe because the ps1 and mac g3 shared the same cpu architecture (RISC) ?
Nintendo was trying to set a new legal precedent with their suit against Yuzu. Nintendo won, but they ultimately didn't get what they wanted.
The companies will never win as close one, another 1 or 2 at least spring up, and mirrors of emulators, content, etc. Nintendo et al. continue to waste money on these kinds of things when in reality it makes no real difference to their bottom line finances.
I obviously accept copyrights are there for a reason, but emulation of older systems to my mind is fair game as they've made all the money they've likely to have made off decades old titles already.
Long run they will if they won now….
Don’t worry, emulation and theft will always be legal in the USA, where it has been the doctrine of business since 1776.
bleem! that gave me shivers down my spine I had downloading a copy of that and i had mess up my dad pc from a virus long live the days of old
Wow fist time hearing about this. I thought this might have been about "Bleem!"
It's not quite true that they shelved VGS entirely... The POPS emulator that is used to play psx games on PSP apparently uses some portions of the code, I believe for GPU emulation as the psp already has a mips cpu that is compatible with the cpu on the original psx.
According to Modern Vintage Gamer, it's unconfirmed. He actually talked directly to Aaron Giles so he'd know better than me.
@@dmug I seem to remember it had the same bugs in some particular games, both the psp version and the one for the PS3.
How long was Connectix exclusive to macs? I am pretty sure I used it ages ago on Windows.
I think the timeline is roughly a year, Connectix has the press release on the wayback machine.
Emulation isn't illegal.
Making money off it is period point blank. Plus, you're a nobody
I grew up without a PS but heard of Bleem. Good ol days.
If I took a shot every time you said Connectix wrong in this video, I'd probably need my stomach pumped... Steve Jobs said it right literally in your video...
When you're showing that picture of the Superdrive, is that in Astoria Oregon?
Yep, video here:
ua-cam.com/video/vLnRYBfrEog/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Videos have a lot of b roll all across the PNW, mostly Oregon as its home.
@@dmug GOONIES NEVER SAY DIE!!!!!
I could play some playstation games on my dreamcast. but the company had to shut down too
EDIT: OK it's at the end of the video lol, it was called Bleemcast!
Yeah, Bleem is a story in itself, I know Sony fought them multiple times and they won out but inevitably lost by attrition. I haven’t checked UA-cam for the history but I’m sure someone has done a video on it.
Funny how Steve kept comparing everything mac did to windows. And listen to all the mac fan boys applauding copyright violations and piracy.
Stevo Jobs Was the pirate from Silicon Valley
Stevo nice name😂
Actually Conectix WON the case. Sony then wanted to settle and then offered to buy the rights to the emulator code. EMULATION IS LEGAL. The code in Virtual Game Station was all Connectix code and used no Sony Code. Connectix did dissassemble the Playstation Bios by copying it from a playstation they purchased to a computer, but this was ruled fair use as they were not selling it or mass copying it but instead studying its functions to write their own version of a program that did something similar.
Fun Fact: Even though Nintendo claims it is illegal on their website, but if it were, their Virtual Consoles on the Wii, Wii U, and Switch would be illegal as they are indeed emulators.
I said they won and read the numerous victories 🙃
I also remember bleemcast where you can play PlayStation games on Dreamcast
The fact that Sony sued the company in this video got sued. I know bleem another ps1 emulator for sale back then, went on to form the backbone for the PS1 emulator for the PS2.
Cool video!
Was this before bleem!
Or was that after, or were they linked?
Bleem happened a few months after Connectix, but had more difficulty coming to market as an upstart whereas Connectix already had made several successful products. It did manage to get boxed copies in some retailers but had others orders cancelled. If I recall right, since it enhanced games it supported much fewer games.
The Dreamcast version never hit the original goal and had only 3 supported games and required a separate copy for each game. I actually tried to buy bleem at the time for the Dreamcast but couldn’t get an order and had it cancelled.I think that was 2000 probably from outpost.com. It’s interesting as I assumed Connectix VGS was the more famous of the two but I was and still am a Mac user.
And that's why Yuzu's profiting off of the emulator _wasn't_ the part Nintendo was suing over. That's probably the most wildly misunderstood part of the lawsuit. Rather, they were arguing Yuzu was profiting off of copy-protection circumvention tools. In that sense, the lawsuit was very narrow in the parts that had a chance to fly in court. However, they swung wide and a lot of emulator developers dropped out of the game in fear over it.
The rumors of the death of emulators is greatly exaggerated.
I didn’t get into Yuzu, the other part is Nintendo’s lawyers while doing fact finding probably knew if during discovery they’d also find team members of Yuzu aiding or facilitating piracy too. It’s better they folded as it could have tested the legality breaking DRM in emulation and made for an ugly future.
Funny how Steve openly endorsed an unofficial emulator yet nowadays Apple is very much against opening up their mobile devices to sideloading and emulators, only begrudgingly complying because the EU forced them to.
And yes, Sony licenced the PCSX ReARMed core for their PS1 Classic microconsole and even tacitly gave former PCSX2 devs their blessing for developing official emulation solutions for porting classic games to the PS5.
I never saw that they officially licensed, just that they used it. I keep hoping that European Union will force Apple into some compliance. It’s funny as Sony would be certainly barred from releasing a PSX emulator on iOS or tvOS or iPadOS.
That good-old infamous Connectix
He was predicting the future of gaming and the robbery it would become with digital purchases.
Any reason not to use RetroArch?
UI isn't as friendly, pretty or Mac like as OpenEmu but RetroArch is the superior option.
OpenEmu though is stupidly easy to use. I'm probably going to use it at some point in the future with my Mac Pro 2013.
I've had classic emulators since the days of dial up
If you were a Mac user, I'm guessing you frequented Emulation dot Net and Bannister dot org?
Nah PC user. Cousin gave me a CD with all the retro Nintendo Sega etc. Still have it 😆
When the third chapter started I started singing along to can I kick it and had to rewatch it
From my friends’s album:
I made the beat. It should still be on other streaming services.
soundcloud.com/tyree-harris/09-drunk-food
Thumbnail is a little clickbait-y inaccurate. I don't know if I'd call it 'illegal' since they did reverse engineer it and win the case against Sony. Since they settled the appeal and Sony bought it out, that's the only grey area for legality. The big difference now is that since Yuzu was open source, and the case was only against the parent developers' LLC company, forks of Yuzu have already sprung up and will just need new developers to continue it.
All that said, I had VGS back in the day before we got a real PSone and I could swear the performance and graphics looked better on VGS than a real PSone.
Kinda, the point is that legally speaking, emulation was untested in the court of law at the time Steve Jobs promoted PlayStation emulation. I wish I would have said that explicitly instead of left it to inference Then told the rest of the story of how emulation became codified.
@@dmug Actually, reverse engineering, and emulation in general, had already been tested in the 1980s which eventually set up the case for Sony v Connectix.
If you want to know more in that area research this law
Semiconductor Chip Protection Act of 1984
Why does Eric gets to continue working at Microsoft? But Jerry and his division team got laid off by that awful CEO in a surprise meeting!
Today upscaling the PS1 and PS2 to 4k is possible.
Duck station upscales and makes for better gameply
The problem with emulators is that it allows people to play pirated games. If there was a drm embedded in the emulator that wouldn’t work with pirated games and would only allow purchased games. There wouldn’t be a problem with emulators.
Yeah I don’t think I made it clear enough that the original version had anti piracy measures, but there was hacked version that gave you the ability to play burned games.
@@dmug I was also referring to modern emulators such as yuzu.
For a commercial emulator, that would be up to the developers, some of them already do that (Polymega is an example that come to mind). For anything else (i.e. open source projects) it would be a stupid idea and go against the main purpose of emulation in general ragardless if it is an old or modern console.
is it still available?
Connectix VGS? On abandonware websites, yes. If you’re on a Mac check out duck station, you can force much better rendering on PSX games, I recently played Tony hawks pro skater 2 in 1440p on a flight back from Arizona recently on a MacBook 2017x
@@dmug i mean.. for windows.. btw thank you for replying
Emulation is not illegal cmon.
not sure if you watched the entire video but that’s the point of the video, it wasn’t tested in a court before.
I was talking about the thumbnail. It can give people who don’t know the wrong impression.
@@SuperSparkLightHe's gotta trade his dignity for views by clickbaiting people.
ironic how steve changes his opinion on this stuff the moment he is in the big boy pants himself. Disgusting.
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I still remember when Bleem got sold in stores in germany
Wanted it so bad but it was too expensive haha
Oh those times
Steve jobs introduced emulation? i dont why some big company like nintendo focus on that, Gaming emulation is a millionare business if tts properly adaptaed...
And apple sued emachines because it ooled like the imac
6:15 Doing Mac God's work here.1
Yeah, emulation was a thing by that time.
Imagine seriously recommend people rip their Playstation games to play on OpenEmu, what about you be realistic and say, "hey, or you could just download a rom of the game in 5 minutes". If a young kid gets into gaming like I did when I was young, they should not be expected to rip a playstation 1 disc in order to emulate it
Two things, I try to keep the spirit of legality in mind. They can always research that on their own time or go to a channel a little more comfortable with sailing the high seas. The information is out there.
Also by demographics, only 1.3% of my audience is under 18 and roughly 75% of it being over the age of 25. My audience is mostly well into adulthood.
Hehehe I have the Bleem CD and Dreamcast Game Packs
Steve Jobs probably had little to no technical knowledge.
jobs: "you can't get this on windows" uuh yea.. you could. existed on windows before mac.
Version 1.4 was ported to windows, Aaron Giles mentions it on his blog. It was on Mac OS first.
Source:
aarongiles.com/programming/war-connectix/
@@dmug no I'm not talking about connectix, there were open source / free emulators first.
@@dmug PSEmu/PSEmu Pro was released before connectix and was available for windows
Emulation is not illegal so how can Nintendo sue a company over it?
You can sue for an extremely wide range of reasons at the risk is frivolous lawsuits. Likely, Nintendo's lawyers realized during the discovery phase, that the developers of Yuzu committed or aided software piracy which would then be revealed.
They also sued not on the grounds of emulation as whole but breaking the encryption on the games which may or may not be piracy. This would have been extremely expensive to defend as it'd require employing a team of technical legal contractors to assist the legal team's defense. Nintendo didn't win legally speaking, but swung a bigger stick as they had more money. So no legal precedence was set.
Connect-ix
Seriously... this bothers me way more than it should...
Click bait thumbnail is really unnecessary and destroys all credibility
It's how the game is played on UA-cam. If you don't have a hook, your content won't get seen. If you make pure clickbait, people will watch only seconds of the video before bailing, and UA-cam's algo will see the terrible watch times, and stop pushing the video and it'll get buried. However, if you make a video that has a hook, and you deliver (aka people watch the majority of your video) then it'll get pushed by by the algo. This is what happened with this video.
There's nothing truly misleading here. This is the story of the how Connectix was sued by Sony as emulation had never been tested in the courts. Sony thought it was illegal. Turns out, the 9th District Court thought otherwise and the supreme court declined to hear it. It also stands right now as a fairly highly rated video at 98% and has netted my channel a few hundred subscribers, so clearly people enjoy the video.
Pretty sure you got the bleem thing hella wrong at the end. You would have been better off pretending you never heard about it. It makes half of this video somewhat dishonest.
Isn't illegal, only downloading roms is illegal.
Not sure if you watched the entire vid, but the point was that thanks to VGS, emulation became codified as legal.
@@dmug yeah, but still the clickbate thumbnail
@@Qvorum Yeah, it kinda is. Titles and thumbnails are malleable, and making interesting titles are part of the game. I try to adhere to the concept of “clickbait for good”, as I’m always trying to educate the user and I’m not trying to mislead or sell anything. I’ve definitely had more salacious title ideas and nixed them. This one uses Betteridge's law and thus a user can deduce it.
Downloading ROMs isn't illegal if you own a legal copy of the game already.
emulation isn't illegal
Right, that's the point of this video. Not sure if you watched it but it's the legal battle between Sony and Connectix as prior it was untested.
Not illegal at the time.
Not legal either, untested in the court of law. Sony certainly felt it was illegal, hence the "?" mark as it went to the courts.
Your thumbnail says illegal. Emulation is not illegal.
Sony tried make a case to make it illegal, hence the story arch. It’s a bit hyperbolic but also at the time, it wasn’t established if it was legal or illegal.
@@dmug every case in court regarding emulation ends the same way, unless the emulator uses patented code.
Just imagine how apple would react if sony announced you can install osx on playstation. Hypocrites.
Eh, There has been the whole Hackintosh scene for about 18 years now, and Apple has never really taken much action against it existing, except when a few companies tried to sell computers with OS X preinstalled as that’s software piracy.
My guess is if tomorrow Sony announced a virtual machine host for the PlayStation, and it supported macOS, Apple would probably just shrug. It’s legal and Apple allows it.
@@dmug "Hackintosh" is made by users of their own volition not companies. Steve here used PlayStation to leverage his own product, and that's not the same as saying PS now supports VM. You don't see the difference or what? If apple could pursue hackintosh users legally they would, but they literally can't.
@@amonynous9041better analogy: you can run macOS via QEMU and it’s legal. I’m hardly one for defending Apple as my channel has quite a bit of dunking on Apple but of things to get mad about, this strikes me as a bit silly.
Apple doesn’t have to pursue hackintoshes, they could put tough copy protection in but they don’t.
@@dmug QEMU is an open source emulator and VM, completely outside of apples influence. It is not designed to run macos SPECIFICALLY, but anything you like. You see the difference?
Laughs in PsyStar Corporation. 😂
I heard about BLEEM
the guys dead, what are you going to do sue a dead guy? good luck with that lol.
Emulation is not illegal at this point in time.
I’m guessing you didn’t watch the part about the court case. 🙃 the point of the video is how this emulator codified emulation as legal.
I have a steam deck 👍👍👍
It’s like a switch but better…
Cause SONY is more chill than Nintendo😂
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