Biscuit Joiner - It’s a MUST HAVE TOOL!
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For me, a biscuit joiner is a must have tool in the workshop. I use a biscuit joiner on more than half of the projects that I make in the workshop. When using a biscuit joiner, the biscuits really don’t add much additional strength to the wood joint, but they are a big help in aligning the boards and making glue ups much easier.
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Hi Everyone, I know there’s been a lot of talk about biscuit joiner’s lately so I thought I’d let you know that I’m a big fan… I’ve been using a biscuit joiner since the late 80s and probably use a biscuit joiner on more than half of the projects I make. I’ll probably continue to use a biscuit joiner as often as I do until I save up enough $ to buy a domino ;). Have a great day all! And check out the video on my new mobile workstation if you didn’t already.... it’s a great addition to my small shop. ua-cam.com/video/viQtUujxq-8/v-deo.html .
Those domino machines are seriously spendy tho ... 😱
I like my biscuit joiner too... Norm showed a LOT of alternative ways to use 'em... 🤗
Nice vid Jon ... as usual 🙄😬
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Clear ans sensible report on the usefulness of biscuit joiners, but I'm sorry, Jon, I'm going to have to report you to The Apostrophe Protection Society for inappropriate use of the punctuation mark in your pinned comment !
@@donjohnson24 - Uh oh! Caught by the Grammar Police. 😉
And the Grammar Police misspells "AND"?
@@gabrielgarcia5686 - Ha! Muphry's Law strikes again.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law?wprov=sfla1
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As a woman who has spent years perfecting my biscuits in the kitchen, I'm pretty thrilled to used this biscuit joiner as I've recently begun woodworking too. Thanks.
as long as the biscuits you cook don’t taste like these, you’ll be fine lol
I don't comment often, but I wanted to say how much I appreciate you bringing us along for the fun and education. Thanks for sharing your talents.
You know you are in the presence of a master when few words are said, but they are as precise as the measurements and fit.
Always such a pleasure to in the studio of a Zen master of wood. Appreciate the sounds of silence and wood and no music.
Thank you for your invaluable tips. 🙏
Love your no BS channel and thanks for not shilling. You always have first class videos.
Love the short to the point video. I have the same POS biscuit joiner but I have learned to use it. I have to admit, I spent hours when I first got it thinking I need to align the biscuit dead center of the piece I was using. I now know it does NOT matter.
Great intel for the coming battle of the biscuit joiners.
I’m also a big fan. My first homemade project was a desktop and my biscuit joiner really helped me.
I love the saw dust trick. That's great!
I have had and used a biscuit joiner for over 20 years. I don' t use it on every project, but I am glad I have it when needed.
Thanks for sharing
Great review. Just getting into wood working and making a desktop that will have bookcases above it and will be using one for the first time making the counter/desktop.
From your picture of the coffee table that you built, the locations of the biscuits appear to be divots. I refinish ward wood floors, and have found that if you sand before the wood is dry you will be sanding swollen wood, leaving a shallow depression after the wood drys. Maybe just letting the joint dry for a couple days could prevent this problem, or just offset the joint like you do.
Scott, you are correct. You need to let the glue dry completely (maybe 1 to 2 days depending on environment) before any sanding or planing is done. There can be a lot of glue at the ends of the biscuit that needs to dry. Remember, wood moves. I have used them for years and never had them telescope.
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Great job Jon, I’ll continue using the biscuit jointer too. Thanks for sharing with us.
Its a great point that you need to reference off the work piece and not the table. I think that is where a lot of people go wrong. Additionally, using higher quality biscuits will help as the biscuits expand once in the slots and covered with glue. Higher quality biscuits have a more uniform expansion rate and therefore keep the work piece uniform.
I appreciate the straight forward example. Right to the point. I learned what I came to learn. Thank you.
I just purchased a biscuit joiner, I can’t wait to put it to use. It’s a Dewalt model.
Interesting to hear your take on biscuit joiners after hearing Steve Ramsey's changing opinion.
Steve is exactly right imho. Absolutely no strength added to the biscuit joint using the wafers.
smcliffhanger492 ...I wonder if anyone has developed a way to actually test that premise? Just seems counterintuitive.
My understanding is biscuits were never intended to add strength. The purpose is for alignment of the boards for glue up.
@@OldDunollieman
With a glue joint you are just relying on the chemical bond between the two surfaces. So while it is strong there is always a chance that it could fail.
Biscuits are a floating joint that bonds internally within the wood with the glue. Most the tests that are used to break biscuit joints go far beyond real world usage and it is the wood that actually fails not the glue.
If you glue a biscuit joint you and break it then the glue is not going to be the failing point the wood is.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Jon! 😃👍🏻👊🏻
Excellent system for Biscuits, I also use them in the morning with coffee.💯👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😂😂😂😂😂😂💓
Great to hear from you after your break up with Pamela. Hope you're doing okay...
I see what you did there LOL
I agree with you biscuits joins are good I'm 62 and been using there from the 1970's so you are right about everything you said
I just picked up one of the first lamellos never been used boxed in pristine condition, my first ever biscuit jointer delighted with it so far, time to get it put it to work 👍
Short, well shot and helpful - thanks, Jon. I'm looking forward to that bench project. My first attempt - a bench seat for the bedroom - was less than stellar.
Jack, one of my first projects was a curio cabinet I made out of cherry. It was terrible. We sent our dining room furniture and had it professionally re-finished. It was gorgeous. The person that refinished the furniture would not let us come and get it. He insisted on delivering it so it wouldn't get scratched. He came into the dining room, saw the curio hanging on the wall, and commented as to how beautiful it was. When I began to point out my shortcomings, he stopped me right there and said, "Of course you know where all the mistakes are. Don't let that prevent me from enjoying looking at it." So Jack, I'm sure when you look at your bench seat, you see the mistakes. Everyone sees the beauty of what you built. I'm sure it;s gorgeous! That curio still hangs on the wall after 25 years. She loves it.
Agreed, big fan here too, especially for alignment/registration when you work alone and multi board edge glue ups turn into a one arm paperhanger act. I was delighted to find one (along with a BUNCH of other woodworking equipment!) in the metal dumpster last recycling day. Same brand as mine (Porter Cable) and at a minimum it was worth grabbing for spare parts.
Thank you king
New station looks great!
Can’t wait to use my biscuit joiner.
I think the Porter Cable biscuit joiner I bought 20 years ago (YES! Because of Norm) was $125 and to this day, has served me well when needed.
I prefer biscuits in my cup of tea.
Makita. Yes! I still have my old Porter-Cable 555 unit. If I ever replace it, it will be Makita. Great video.
as always great video Jon. I do own a cheap 50$ biscuit joiner now and want get the makita aswell. But i will go with the corded one, becouse it will be more convenient for me to use it with the vacuum with automatic start and stop. 👍
Can’t wait for that bench video! It looks awesome
Great video.. Damn near thought I was watching/listening to Harvey Keitel.
Ha ha thanks 😄
Hi! Thanks for making these high quality videos! It really shows that you've thought about every angle and shot to give as much info as possible, but still keep the videos brief, informative and viewable! Your storytelling is second to none! Keep up the excellent work!
Appreciate the video.
Nice work brother am Emma from Uganda, so much eager to work with you.
Awesome video, thank you!
Im a new subscriber. Sir, i love your videos and your instruction very clear. I hope I could grow my interest into a furniture with your videos. Thankyou very much, sir! Regards from malaysia ♥️
Great video Jon!
Jon, I'd welcome your thoughts on cutting biscuit slots with a router and a 5/32" slotted bit. Depth would be controlled by bearing size to accommodate different sized biscuits. It may not be as entirely convenient as a biscuit joiner but since I already ready own one it would save me some money. I made a jig to align with my marks so that would help with precise placement. Great stuff as always. Thanks.
Thanks for the info, Jon.
there's an Australian company called striplox, they make plastic biscuits that require no glue, it eliminates the problems with timber biscuits
Nice video Jon! Thanks for always sharing with us! 👌👍😎JP
LOL, is this in response to the video by Steve Ramsey? I'm just a DIYer, but I love my biscuit joiner. I've used it to make table tops and deep shelving.
Finally, someone that actually knows what they are talking about.
I don’t know about the Telegraph you had on the table top I’ve been using a biscuit jointer for 30 years and never had that happen. Biscuits are one of the best and fastest joints you can use, all of my cabinets that I build are biscuited together and in all the years I’ve been in the business I’ve never had a failure. That being said I would highly recommend a lamello machine over any other, incredible results and always accurate it’s worth the extra money you don’t need the adjustable one just the entry model.
Bing Bang Boom, this is how we do it!! I'm anxiously awaiting the bench build Homes!! Hoping all is well, Dirty Jersey out!!
Thanks Dude!
I'm dreaming about getting the cordless makita...
Handy for lining up.... but not a necessity. They dont add strength. Mine is cobweb collector. 😀
More tool review please very interesting ✨
Thanks for sharing !!
Thank you for the video. Two things.
First, I would like to see someone compare a single Domino strength to simply using two 5 cent Lamello Biscuits on top of one another. No one has done that. Even a clone Domino is 17 cents.
Second, I used calipers and measured the thickness of 30 each of DeWalt and Swiss-made Lamello plate joiner Biscuits. Lamello was 1000 for $46.37 from Amazon, which is 4.6 cents each. DeWalt was $7.98 for 100 from Lowes, which is 8 cents each. I calculated the mean and standard deviation of the thicknesses and the Lamello were more than 3x as uniform. 97.7% of Lamello are predicted to be between 3.69 and 4.00mm. DeWalt are 3.34 to 4.31mm. The goal is to be as close to 4mm without going over. Visually, the Lamello have a glue-gripping pattern on each side. The DeWalt had a more shallow grid on one side.
No sense in judging biscuits without using Lamello brand.
Good tip about choosing the correct reference surface when using a power hand joiner. Always use that front plate.
I jumped past the biscuit joiner to the Domino DF 700. Not everyone can do that, they are pricey. I've added Seneca's DF 500 conversion kit so I can use smaller dominoes with just one machine.
Great looking upcoming bench project.
Nice Trapezius’s
I find it a good idea to dry the biscuits prior to use. I bring the oven to 200’ shut off oven put biscuits on cookie sheet and let them heat 10 to 15 minutes. Jam is optional!
But, that’s just me.
sold mine. Just didn't use it that much and the biscuits I bought with it were crumbling with age! :)
I have a makita. I should use it more often.
I am down for biscuits and gravy but joining panels glue and clamps for me are not broken so no point trying to fix it, I see a joiner being handy for a beginner or someone doing production work
I have used them but not a fan. I like pins, drill a hole put in a dowel pin. Then again it is harder but I like it
Thank you,Brian,uk,
I think I will go with Franz Klauzs recommendation to reference off the bottom of the tool and not the guide, when possible. Works better, though ideally one has a tool that will do both.
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I just got done watching Steve Ramsey's video on why nobody needs a biscuit joiner, now this.
Maybe Steve doesn’t.... I use mine a lot.
Can’t you get the biscuit depth and put the biscuits at the center??
Great Video! Is the do-hickey you used at 3:26 for attaching the table top something you made or purchased? If purchased what is it called and where is it ordered? Again, THANKS!
Oh jeez. I was looking for muffins. Not biscuits. Great video though!
Did you make the the wing clips. I think that's what you called them. This will be my first time using a jointer
perfect timing. just bought a biscuit joiner. i wasn't sure how to pick what size biscuit to go with so thanks for the #10 recommendation. What is your recommendation for mitered door casing? i get a lot of wood movement in my casing in my house. so planning on redoing the casing. i'm thinking about trying pre-assembly with biscuits or pocket screws.
John could you function in woodworking without a jointer?
And would you recommend the novice to own one if he wanted to build his own furniture or doors?
Jon, you say the biscuit joiner has 3 settings. What are the settings for? Thanks.
biscuit size, therefore depth (and width) of cut
@@seanhenry744 thanks.
What are those biscuit table holder things ?
Why don't you use a dust collector on the he BJ
I've been thinking about picking up a biscuit joiner, but am also considering a doweling jig. Right now I just use pocket screws to join pieces together as you did in the video. Any thoughts on the three methods?
Totally agree! 👏🇦🇺✌️
I'm not a woodworker, so I'm k9nd of wondering, why would you butt join two planks for a tabletop as opposed to just cutting a single piece to the correct size? That way there's no chance of a seam becoming visible?
Not all wood species come in the width you want due to the fact that old growth forests are either gone or protected from logging. Also some trees reach a maximum diameter at maturity, unlike humans! A bench that width needs a 80 to 100 year tree to get clear wood out of. Hardwood like that hickory (just guessing) just isn’t possible because the species don't grow wide enough and any that did will cost you a fortune. Hardwoods come from trees that have leaves (deciduous) and softwoods from trees that have needles (coniferous) like evergreens such as pine, redwood, cedar, etc. . Oak is probably the widest girth hardwood but an oak 3-4’ in diameter is a thing of beauty and nearly 300 years old. It would be a shame to cut it down for a dining room table.
@@An_Urban_monk Makes sense!
Good video BUT ! You mentioned the spacing layout and you marked the boards. But you never showed how the spacing layout works WITH the biscuit joiner. You did not show how your marks line up with plate marks on joiner. Other then that. Great info. Ty.
Hello Jon your wisdom is greatly appreciated sir. I’m recently getting back to woodworking after probably 10 + years. What would you suggest for small shop I’m needing a planer jointer maybe a good benchtop model what would you would recommend??
Dewalt 735x planer. You can joint with a planer. I also have a jet helix head 6 inch jointer, the casting is crap but seems to work good. They are indespensible as s4s wood from big box stores are twisted like dogs hind leg.
@@davidhouchin2353 thanks brother appreciate the advise.
Hey John, can I put epoxy on my kitchen cabinets. I just gel stain them month ago.
How much is it and is that whole machine or does it have attachments that are sold sepretly
Where can you get the biscuits that connect to the top of the bench?
Thanks Jon! Very informative.. unlike some mere loser we know who just can't make videos without dissing anyone whose tools are more expensive than his.. 😅
Where can you get the biscuits at bulk prices?
Hilda?
What brand of biscuit joiner is that?
Lately i've been reading more about dowel joinery and that seems as tho they work well with less play than biscuits. What is your opinion on Dowel joinery Jon? Thanks for sharing.
Dowel joints are really not worth it for professionals as they can be fiddley to align.
Off topic, but relent question.
Expansion contraction, on finishes
If your project moves wont that tend to pull on the finish material and cause cracking like poly and such a hard finnish
But for paint becuse it moves more and is simi flexible its not going to split as easy unless it's outside in extrem conditions. So how can you fight this?
what brand and model number biscuit joiner is that you have there?
Triton, not great
Jon, did you put glue in the biscuit slots? I could not tell form the video. Thanks.
I know this is after the fact, but if anyone has the same question in the future - yes, definitely put some glue in the slots!
How are the biscuits made?
Not sure
They can be purchased at stores for cheap
Oh, I assumed you made the biscuits as part of the project
@@gvlive I suppose one could if they wanted to spend the time. Just cutting sircles out of whatever thickness of board you need for the biscuits
Festool domino for me.
Travis Oliver which is also 5-6x the price. Not as necessary for an amateur woodworker. If you’re a pro that does this for a living then for sure it’s cost vs time saved and it’s definitely worth it.
Festool domino a great tool. but I need to pay my mortgage instead this month :)
Although there are some similarities, they are different tools that have different advantages and disadvantages. It's like comparing a finishing nail to a deck screw.
How tightly are the biscuits supposed to fit into the slots? I have a Porter Cable biscuit joiner I bought in the late 1990s, and the slots it cuts are noticeably thicker than the biscuits. The biscuits wiggle around enough that they aren't really much help for alignment. The boards can still shift up or down by at least 1/32".
Do I just have a crappy biscuit joiner? I've been thinking of replacing it with a Domino, but if a different biscuit joiner would work better for alignment I could save a lot of money. (Of course, a Domino is good for other sorts of joinery too.)
Oh, and nice video!
Make sure you are using the correct biscuit size for your cutter
@@Jason-uz8hj I'm pretty sure I'm using the right biscuits. Even the Porter Cable branded biscuits are loose in the slots it cuts. Next time I need to glue up a panel, maybe I'll buy one of the DeWalt or Makita biscuit joiners that get good reviews and see if they work better.
Anyone else infuriated by the last 1 second of the video where he missed that spot with the woodstain?
algorithm comment wood wood maple home despot home depot hell yeah hell yeah biscuits baby
the CORDLESS one is $239.
such a cute boy
According to Steve Ramsey, you don't need all those tools. A hammer, a level and a sharpie are enough to build the Burj Khalifa
I strongly disagree: it’s a neat tool. Very useful for somebody, completely useless for many many other woodworkers. Those kind of videos can lead to wrong purchases by those that get started, see how good you are as a woodworker, and decide that they need one to be like you. If you’re looking at this video to understand if you need one, you probably don’t need one.
Luca Pelati It’s all about marketing bet you most of this guys talking about how neat and necessary a biscuit joiner is are getting paid to do so, lately woodworking is becoming more popular and companies just want to sell products, them like ants people just buy before even trying to see if they can do without it to end hanging the tool on the wall and use once a year or offer it up in craigslist two years later trying to get the same money they paid while new...thats a vicious circle
+Luca Pelati
It takes years to learn hand cut joints. My father is a traditional arts and crafts carpenter and he was amazed by his first use of biscuit joints.
Biscuit Joiner.......Who kicked this ant hill?
Bought a Domino myself, it simply does more and makes a strong joint. On stuff like that though, I just use cauls.
Domino for is great for strong joints. Many people could get by with just a biscuit jointer.
Use a Domino instead
Life is too short to use crappy tools. Get yourself that Makita.
I am not going to watch this, but you are wrong !