Detachment is just more attachment. For arguments sake there is attachment, detachment and freedom, most conflate detachment with freedom. However, to detach is to push away, it’s to say I don’t want that, I want this, if you’re running then you are not free, you are bound to what you try to avoid. Freedom is in staying still and letting it be, freedom has nothing at all to do with circumstance and everything to do with perspective, you’re not free when you get what you think you want, you’re free when it doesn’t matter what you get and you’re still content, when desire ends you are free, most know this on some level but the try to end their desires by attempting to fulfil them, this never ends though, desire has infinite subjects to pursue, the issue isn’t in the lack of the subject of desire, it’s the desire itself. I think a big issue is that the idea of Buddhist detachment in the west at least is a mistranslation, the idea of mental and spiritual detachment pretty much comes from this religious concept. The true “detachment” is not detachment at all, it’s non resistance. It’s not pushing the world away or clinging to it, it’s realising you are it and you must flow with it, all the conflict is your own pushing and pulling, which stems from the delusion of the individual self, the only conflict is self conflict. There’s nothing to be attached to or detached from, you are life, reality, you can’t be attached to life/reality just as my hand is not attached to my hand, my hand is my hand, ideas of possession and loss come to that which believes itself to be a part, you have it all, all you need to do is realise that the you that you think yourself to be is false.
Once you start relishing the joy in the company of nature, you don't require anyone to fill you So no need for overthinking Dissolve yourself in the hoy of the solitude, your will experience bliss You will feel rejuvenated
"Look, the speaker has done this. Not attached to a thing!" Wow!! Look at those courageously joyous expressions. Freedom is such a bliss. Thank you, sir! Love you! 🙏🙏🌹
basically the genuine attachment to the idea of god(Purest form of humans that you heard with no negatives that you believe in it completely) and idea of humanity and is the highest form of attachment that can never be disappointed.
gosh, it can be so hard to see how we attach and cling to things. the most touching thing he says in this video is that when we attach to things it is but a denial of the self. it makes perfect sense!
@@nangotoman9429 you want something that is not you, which means you are not content with who you are alone. By wanting something else and welcoming it you will thereby grant it room in detriment of a part you reject and is in direct contradiction with the love object.
I have struggled with some form of attatchment in my life on a few occasions, i confess, but i feel the decision to become attatched may have been rooted in anothers reaction to my own detatchment. Ive been followed or chased into the shadows by ppl and these experiences brought me warmth, so in a moment of vulnerability left me holding on, only so that my selfish reciprocation of their attatchment could leave me cut when they became cold, because in my attatchment i couldnt see that they didnt owe me their continued warmth and attatchment. Every attempt at peace met with knives, every attempt to flee met with lies. Be very careful who you let into your shade and solitude, some who follow only do so out of resentment, they will warm you up to them just so that they can continuously hurt you, to make you pay for ever having taken them for granted.
People can't hurt you only we do hurt our self he simply means that understand the attachment and its consequences then you the consequences is detachment not to start something or process for detachment from people or things detachment is the consequences when one's aware of there attachment. Why i said that no one can hurt you is only you gave them authorities if your needs and expectations lies on other then definitely your key you given to somebody.. only way to get rid of it is awareness and try not to expect from people.
if i say that attachment brings anxiety, unhappiness, depression. Therefore i say i must be detached however in the wanting to be detached there is still the movement of me/I/ego, and therefore conflict... therefore loss of energy and fear and all the rest of it...
@@oc7445 if i had to guess you have invest yourself in something. You replace the attatchment with another one, probably a stronger one. The truth is we all want to have the cake ans eat too. We attatch because it supposedly makes our life easier and we detatch because it wasn't so. But we suffer because life is irreversible. We can't change that. We can only move on. I often find that 'God gives nuts to those that don't have teeth'. Life can be very counter-intuitive. Maybe the solution is to keep attatching yourself. The problem is that if you are doing it to detatch the attatchment feeling is not pure and so you may not have the desired effect. Only someone that truly believes can do it. But we are who we are. And we stuck with ourselves. Everyone wants to change. But to change personality means to change your body. Mind and body work in tandem. We are not that maleable. Nothing hurts more than trying. Change or don't change, but don't waste time and energy trying.
@@brain0nfire To detach it's just that you don't develop a sense of self to anything. Doesn't mean that you can't do or have anything and appreciate it, adore and enjoy it. Correct way to put it is non attachment. To be not attached, does not requires to abstain/being detached completely. Likewise you can drink alcohol and not be addicted to it for example... So, you can have a relationship or a luxury car or whatever and not be attached, meaning your sense of wholeness and your happiness doesn't depend on the presence or absense of those things. They are complementary factors that may add to your overall experience, but not necessities. If I have them great, if not it's alright.
@@oc7445 see clearly what attechment does to you and youre people. Attachment is an action, non attachment isnt. You have to do nothing but see what actually is and what attachment brings to you...when you see clearly the danger, the other can happen. Love
If he were a biological freak as he says, then how can he know the fact of attachment, if he has never experienced it for himself? I am not saying this to discredit him as I think Krishnamurti is the greatest teacher the world has ever known.
I believe he has experienced all these sorts of feelings and emotions, however he is very careful when speaking and at times says what is best for the moment.
Because human consciousness is a single entity that includes all emotions, desires, greed etc etc. He had known the root causes of all these without actually experiencing anything for himself.
He is asking to first see this thing that u are attached badly… secondly he asks to follow the attachment and consequences of it… you will know its a bad deal and attachment gets dropped
Attachment is the ending of attachment . Outside we find ourselves attached to things,people,ideas,beliefs etc . but when we move in we find the whole map clearly where all attachments end . So he says attachments is the ending of attachments . Upanishads end this by saying neti neti.
So easy to say when he was born without a feeling for attachment (as he states). I respect the teaching and Krishnamurti's wise words, but I have yet to know it's better to just be detached. If one becomes secure in oneself first, then interdependence rather than attached or detached might be a healthier, more balanced approach.? I don't want to devalue access to my body and my thinking and my feelings, with myself in relation, but I can also not become reactive, or fall apart regarding relationships around me either.
We are all born without attatchment, we discover attatchment as we learn and grow. One of the growing pains of the mind perhaps is the first experience of attatchment not as an idea but as a state of being, the first realization that something can escape you when you feel that you dont want it to.
From this early experience of some form of attatchment, the individual is met with a choice, the decision of which will play a defining role in the development of the person.
Natalia Campos Here's the transcript: Question: Attachment brings about a kind of emotional exchange, a human warmth. This seems a fundamental need. Detachment produces coldness, lack of affection, a break in relationship. It can also deeply hurt others. Something seems to be wrong with this approach. What do you say? Attachment brings about a kind of emotional exchange, a human warmth. This seems a fundamental need. Detachment produces coldness, lack of affection, a break in relationship. It can also deeply hurt others. Something seems to be wrong with this approach. What do you say? I don’t have to say anything. (Laughter). I am attached to you. The word ‘attach’ means to cling, to hold - attaché - the feeling that you belong to somebody and that somebody belongs to you, to hold, to cling, to adhere, like a plaster - sorry! - all that is implied in that word. And the questioner says cultivating detachment breeds lack of affection, a coldness, a break in relationship; the cultivation of the opposite. Naturally it will. You understand? If I am attached to you, the audience, and I feel this attachment is dangerous because I know I will be unhappy if I don’t meet all of you and talk to all of you, which is my fulfilment, which is called attachment, then seeing the danger of that, depression when I don’t meet a large audience, if I meet two people and, you know, go through all that ugly business, and seeing all that I say I must cultivate detachment. So I must break from you, I must break my relationship if I have a wife or a husband, or a girl or boy, or whatever it is. So I gradually withdraw. And in this process of isolation I hurt others - right? - I hurt my wife or my father, I hurt lots of people, and so on. Now, is there - please listen - is there an opposite to attachment? If detachment is the opposite of attachment, that detachment is an idea, is a concept, is a conclusion that thought has brought about realising that attachment produces a lot of trouble, a lot of conflict, jealousy, anxiety and so on, so on. So thought says, by Jove, much better be detached. Detachment is a non-fact - right? - whereas attachment is a fact. I don’t know if you are following all this. Please don’t go to sleep. Another ten minutes or quarter of an hour keep awake and then you can go to sleep, or meditate afterwards. Look, the speaker has done this. Not attached to a thing - the house, the audience, the books, the speaking, people - he has been like that from childhood. So he is a freak, biological freak, so leave him alone. But we can see clearly that the fact and that which is not. Right? That which… When attachment is there, to cultivate detachment is a movement towards illusion, and in that illusion you become cold, because that is illusion, it isn’t reality, you become cold, hard, bitter, isolated, without any sense of affection. That is what we are all doing. We are all living in non-fact. So, can you face the fact that you are attached? It is not only to a person, to an idea, to a belief, to your own experiences - which is much more dangerous. Your own experience gives you such a sense of, you know, excitement, sense of being alive. So are you… are we aware that we are attached to something or other? And you may be attached to a furniture, a piece of furniture - it is old, polished, well kept, fifteenth century, and it is immensely valuable, and you are attached to it. See what happens. When you are attached to a piece of furniture, you are that furniture. Right? Yes, sir. Go into it. So, if one is aware that one is attached, and see all the consequences of that attachment - anxiety, lack of freedom, jealousy, anger, hatred - follow the whole consequences of human attachment to something or other. In that attachment to something there is safety, there is a sense of stability, a sense of being guarded, protected. And where there is being possessed and… possessor and the possessed, there must be jealousy, anxiety, fear, all the rest. Now, do you see the consequences of all that? Not the description of it but the actuality of it. If I am attached to you and that attachment takes place out of my loneliness, and that attachment and that loneliness says, I love you - you understand? - I feel a communication because you are also in the same position. Right? Two people clinging to each other out of their loneliness, out of their depression, out of their unhappiness, out of their - you know all the rest of it. So what happens? I am clinging not to you but to the idea. You follow? You understand what I am saying? So I am clinging to something which will help me to escape from myself. Right? Right, sirs? Don’t agree with me, just observe it. You are attached to your experience, an incident which has given you great excitement, a great sense of elation, a sense of power, a sense of safety, you cling to that. That experience - please listen to it, if you are interested - that experience which you have had, what is it? Either you have projected it - right? - you want some kind of experience and you will get it because that is what you want. And then that experience is registered in the mind and hold it. That is, something that is dead you are holding on to. Right? So what you are holding, and so that which you are holding which is dead, you also become dead. I wonder if you see all this. So if you see all this without any direction, without any motive, observe it, then you will see, if you observe, that insight shows the whole thing as a map. When once there is the insight, the thing disappears completely, you are not attached. You have been attached to this and let go and you are attached to something else. Attachment is the ending of attachment.
J. Krishnamurti - Official Channel If this “attachment is the ending of attachment” is quoted out of context doesn’t make sense. But even in the context ... So when one has insight, for him every attachment is an end in itself?
"I am clinging to something to escape from myself".
Detachment is just more attachment. For arguments sake there is attachment, detachment and freedom, most conflate detachment with freedom. However, to detach is to push away, it’s to say I don’t want that, I want this, if you’re running then you are not free, you are bound to what you try to avoid. Freedom is in staying still and letting it be, freedom has nothing at all to do with circumstance and everything to do with perspective, you’re not free when you get what you think you want, you’re free when it doesn’t matter what you get and you’re still content, when desire ends you are free, most know this on some level but the try to end their desires by attempting to fulfil them, this never ends though, desire has infinite subjects to pursue, the issue isn’t in the lack of the subject of desire, it’s the desire itself. I think a big issue is that the idea of Buddhist detachment in the west at least is a mistranslation, the idea of mental and spiritual detachment pretty much comes from this religious concept. The true “detachment” is not detachment at all, it’s non resistance. It’s not pushing the world away or clinging to it, it’s realising you are it and you must flow with it, all the conflict is your own pushing and pulling, which stems from the delusion of the individual self, the only conflict is self conflict. There’s nothing to be attached to or detached from, you are life, reality, you can’t be attached to life/reality just as my hand is not attached to my hand, my hand is my hand, ideas of possession and loss come to that which believes itself to be a part, you have it all, all you need to do is realise that the you that you think yourself to be is false.
Well said 🫶🏼
I love that he reads every question twice
It's the ego being terrified of having its existence threatened.
The ego wants you dead but not itself.
I love how he just gives you a manual on how your mind works and nothing more.
Exactly!
Well said!
that nothing more is the important ...
That's all. Perfectly so..
K is asking us to be deeply honest with ourselves.
Love you jiddu . I can't imagine someone else reading mind better than you . You know all the tricks of the mind .
True ☺️
He reads me like a book.
Once you start relishing the joy in the company of nature, you don't require anyone to fill you
So no need for overthinking
Dissolve yourself in the hoy of the solitude, your will experience bliss
You will feel rejuvenated
"Look, the speaker has done this. Not attached to a thing!" Wow!! Look at those courageously joyous expressions. Freedom is such a bliss.
Thank you, sir! Love you! 🙏🙏🌹
I've learned to detach with love so other's will have freedom to be themselves. Detachment can also bring closeness because of Trust
basically the genuine attachment to the idea of god(Purest form of humans that you heard with no negatives that you believe in it completely) and idea of humanity and is the highest form of attachment that can never be disappointed.
gosh, it can be so hard to see how we attach and cling to things. the most touching thing he says in this video is that when we attach to things it is but a denial of the self. it makes perfect sense!
@@sabanan2525 why?
@@nangotoman9429 you want something that is not you, which means you are not content with who you are alone. By wanting something else and welcoming it you will thereby grant it room in detriment of a part you reject and is in direct contradiction with the love object.
@@brain0nfire nicely described, thank you
I have struggled with some form of attatchment in my life on a few occasions, i confess, but i feel the decision to become attatched may have been rooted in anothers reaction to my own detatchment. Ive been followed or chased into the shadows by ppl and these experiences brought me warmth, so in a moment of vulnerability left me holding on, only so that my selfish reciprocation of their attatchment could leave me cut when they became cold, because in my attatchment i couldnt see that they didnt owe me their continued warmth and attatchment. Every attempt at peace met with knives, every attempt to flee met with lies. Be very careful who you let into your shade and solitude, some who follow only do so out of resentment, they will warm you up to them just so that they can continuously hurt you, to make you pay for ever having taken them for granted.
People can't hurt you only we do hurt our self he simply means that understand the attachment and its consequences then you the consequences is detachment not to start something or process for detachment from people or things detachment is the consequences when one's aware of there attachment. Why i said that no one can hurt you is only you gave them authorities if your needs and expectations lies on other then definitely your key you given to somebody.. only way to get rid of it is awareness and try not to expect from people.
if i say that attachment brings anxiety, unhappiness, depression. Therefore i say i must be detached however in the wanting to be detached there is still the movement of me/I/ego, and therefore conflict... therefore loss of energy and fear and all the rest of it...
so how does one detach exactly?
@@oc7445 if i had to guess you have invest yourself in something. You replace the attatchment with another one, probably a stronger one.
The truth is we all want to have the cake ans eat too. We attatch because it supposedly makes our life easier and we detatch because it wasn't so. But we suffer because life is irreversible. We can't change that. We can only move on.
I often find that 'God gives nuts to those that don't have teeth'. Life can be very counter-intuitive. Maybe the solution is to keep attatching yourself.
The problem is that if you are doing it to detatch the attatchment feeling is not pure and so you may not have the desired effect. Only someone that truly believes can do it. But we are who we are. And we stuck with ourselves. Everyone wants to change. But to change personality means to change your body. Mind and body work in tandem. We are not that maleable.
Nothing hurts more than trying. Change or don't change, but don't waste time and energy trying.
@@brain0nfire To detach it's just that you don't develop a sense of self to anything. Doesn't mean that you can't do or have anything and appreciate it, adore and enjoy it. Correct way to put it is non attachment.
To be not attached, does not requires to abstain/being detached completely.
Likewise you can drink alcohol and not be addicted to it for example...
So, you can have a relationship or a luxury car or whatever and not be attached, meaning your sense of wholeness and your happiness doesn't depend on the presence or absense of those things.
They are complementary factors that may add to your overall experience, but not necessities. If I have them great, if not it's alright.
@@oc7445 see clearly what attechment does to you and youre people. Attachment is an action, non attachment isnt. You have to do nothing but see what actually is and what attachment brings to you...when you see clearly the danger, the other can happen. Love
Don't become detached simply love without attachment
Wow, wow, wow. Thankyou sir! You are amazing.
such clarity and honesty
thank you sir . truth is beautifully explained
Very very well said!!!
"attachment is the ending of hate "
I'm attached to detachment.
detachment is movement of illusion. wow
If he were a biological freak as he says, then how can he know the fact of attachment, if he has never experienced it for himself? I am not saying this to discredit him as I think Krishnamurti is the greatest teacher the world has ever known.
Well he also talks about drugs and what effect it has on the psyche which is perfectly explained and he himself hadn't done any. Can you relate?
I believe he has experienced all these sorts of feelings and emotions, however he is very careful when speaking and at times says what is best for the moment.
You don't need to experience everything to know the consequences. You can observe what happens to people and analyze it.
Because human consciousness is a single entity that includes all emotions, desires, greed etc etc. He had known the root causes of all these without actually experiencing anything for himself.
I’ve never experienced poison but….🤔..I got a feeling it’s not good for me.
Jai ho maharaaj
🙏🙏🙏
He is asking to first see this thing that u are attached badly… secondly he asks to follow the attachment and consequences of it… you will know its a bad deal and attachment gets dropped
Amazing 🙏🏼
Did anyone get the last word of the talk? Attachment is the ending of (hatred? attachment?)
attachment is the ending of athads8f9chjs8hf
Attachment is the ending of attachment . Outside we find ourselves attached to things,people,ideas,beliefs etc . but when we move in we find the whole map clearly where all attachments end . So he says attachments is the ending of attachments . Upanishads end this by saying neti neti.
I think he meant to say Insight is the ending of attachment .
The idea that you want to end attachment, is also an attachment. So you have to leave the idea itself and you are left with pure observation.
@@manjushamishra5849 attachment cant be ending of attachment haha
We are all living in non fact.....
So easy to say when he was born without a feeling for attachment (as he states). I respect the teaching and Krishnamurti's wise words, but I have yet to know it's better to just be detached. If one becomes secure in oneself first, then interdependence rather than attached or detached might be a healthier, more balanced approach.? I don't want to devalue access to my body and my thinking and my feelings, with myself in relation, but I can also not become reactive, or fall apart regarding relationships around me either.
We are all born without attatchment, we discover attatchment as we learn and grow. One of the growing pains of the mind perhaps is the first experience of attatchment not as an idea but as a state of being, the first realization that something can escape you when you feel that you dont want it to.
From this early experience of some form of attatchment, the individual is met with a choice, the decision of which will play a defining role in the development of the person.
Well what if one says he had attachment but it vanished
Would you do something then?
Small correction: It's 6th question, not 5th
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Can i get full video immediately?
What is the last word he says in this video? I could not understand.
Natalia Campos Here's the transcript:
Question: Attachment brings about a kind of emotional exchange, a human warmth. This seems a fundamental need. Detachment produces coldness, lack of affection, a break in relationship. It can also deeply hurt others. Something seems to be wrong with this approach. What do you say?
Attachment brings about a kind of emotional exchange, a human warmth. This seems a fundamental need. Detachment produces coldness, lack of affection, a break in relationship. It can also deeply hurt others. Something seems to be wrong with this approach. What do you say?
I don’t have to say anything. (Laughter).
I am attached to you. The word ‘attach’ means to cling, to hold - attaché - the feeling that you belong to somebody and that somebody belongs to you, to hold, to cling, to adhere, like a plaster - sorry! - all that is implied in that word. And the questioner says cultivating detachment breeds lack of affection, a coldness, a break in relationship; the cultivation of the opposite. Naturally it will. You understand? If I am attached to you, the audience, and I feel this attachment is dangerous because I know I will be unhappy if I don’t meet all of you and talk to all of you, which is my fulfilment, which is called attachment, then seeing the danger of that, depression when I don’t meet a large audience, if I meet two people and, you know, go through all that ugly business, and seeing all that I say I must cultivate detachment. So I must break from you, I must break my relationship if I have a wife or a husband, or a girl or boy, or whatever it is. So I gradually withdraw. And in this process of isolation I hurt others - right? - I hurt my wife or my father, I hurt lots of people, and so on.
Now, is there - please listen - is there an opposite to attachment? If detachment is the opposite of attachment, that detachment is an idea, is a concept, is a conclusion that thought has brought about realising that attachment produces a lot of trouble, a lot of conflict, jealousy, anxiety and so on, so on. So thought says, by Jove, much better be detached. Detachment is a non-fact - right? - whereas attachment is a fact. I don’t know if you are following all this. Please don’t go to sleep. Another ten minutes or quarter of an hour keep awake and then you can go to sleep, or meditate afterwards.
Look, the speaker has done this. Not attached to a thing - the house, the audience, the books, the speaking, people - he has been like that from childhood. So he is a freak, biological freak, so leave him alone. But we can see clearly that the fact and that which is not. Right? That which… When attachment is there, to cultivate detachment is a movement towards illusion, and in that illusion you become cold, because that is illusion, it isn’t reality, you become cold, hard, bitter, isolated, without any sense of affection. That is what we are all doing. We are all living in non-fact.
So, can you face the fact that you are attached? It is not only to a person, to an idea, to a belief, to your own experiences - which is much more dangerous. Your own experience gives you such a sense of, you know, excitement, sense of being alive. So are you… are we aware that we are attached to something or other? And you may be attached to a furniture, a piece of furniture - it is old, polished, well kept, fifteenth century, and it is immensely valuable, and you are attached to it. See what happens. When you are attached to a piece of furniture, you are that furniture. Right? Yes, sir. Go into it.
So, if one is aware that one is attached, and see all the consequences of that attachment - anxiety, lack of freedom, jealousy, anger, hatred - follow the whole consequences of human attachment to something or other. In that attachment to something there is safety, there is a sense of stability, a sense of being guarded, protected. And where there is being possessed and… possessor and the possessed, there must be jealousy, anxiety, fear, all the rest. Now, do you see the consequences of all that? Not the description of it but the actuality of it. If I am attached to you and that attachment takes place out of my loneliness, and that attachment and that loneliness says, I love you - you understand? - I feel a communication because you are also in the same position. Right? Two people clinging to each other out of their loneliness, out of their depression, out of their unhappiness, out of their - you know all the rest of it. So what happens? I am clinging not to you but to the idea. You follow? You understand what I am saying? So I am clinging to something which will help me to escape from myself. Right? Right, sirs? Don’t agree with me, just observe it.
You are attached to your experience, an incident which has given you great excitement, a great sense of elation, a sense of power, a sense of safety, you cling to that. That experience - please listen to it, if you are interested - that experience which you have had, what is it? Either you have projected it - right? - you want some kind of experience and you will get it because that is what you want. And then that experience is registered in the mind and hold it. That is, something that is dead you are holding on to. Right? So what you are holding, and so that which you are holding which is dead, you also become dead. I wonder if you see all this. So if you see all this without any direction, without any motive, observe it, then you will see, if you observe, that insight shows the whole thing as a map. When once there is the insight, the thing disappears completely, you are not attached. You have been attached to this and let go and you are attached to something else. Attachment is the ending of attachment.
J. Krishnamurti - Official Channel Thank you for the kindness. :)
J. Krishnamurti - Official Channel
Thanks a lot ..k's philosohpy is really helping me to understand myself.such a treasure of words..
J. Krishnamurti - Official Channel
If this “attachment is the ending of attachment” is quoted out of context doesn’t make sense. But even in the context ...
So when one has insight, for him every attachment is an end in itself?
He said attachment is the ending of pain
So K seems to call the natural course of things as 'fact', & the mind's reactance to it (even if applied) as non-fact.
can anybody explain last 10 mints in more simple language.....pls help
But i don't want to be g so what I want to be, is it volunteered or something factual
Did he end his speech with “Attachment is the ending of attachment.” ?
Yes, man is always attached, being attached to the illusory world brings misery, realizing and being attached only to the one reality is bliss.
It's question 6, not 5
If I'm attached to g I'm g
who is "g I'm g"?
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