On death and detachment | J. Krishnamurti
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- Опубліковано 26 тра 2018
- Saanen 1982 - Question #1 from Question & Answer Meeting #2
'My son died three years ago, my husband four months later. I find it extremely hard to let go of the memory of their utter desperation. There must be a way, perhaps you may know it. Could you speak about death and detachment, please?'
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This.... this right here is depth... He is saying, death and love are the same activity. Both death and love have no attachments in order "live"... LIFE is attachment, life has a cause and therefor is narrowed down to 'me'... Death and love and compassion does not have a cause/a direction and therefor it is infinite. To let go of everything that makes 'me' is to "die" and when that death happens, love/compassion begins. DEEP.
He has real wisdom and truth,yet we must not follow him he is very clear on this,we simply must find it 4 ourselves.
very true following someone is itself a repetition or conditioning
anyway truth is pathless land
am just here to listen to him
Would like to see someone top him on any aspect of life
Yes I he always says don't follow me look at it yourself, when I started listening to him I started imitating him psychologically but he says don't imitate, It's so tough why can't we find these answers by ourselves...
Thank you so much for keeping these timeless teachings alive 🙏
In possession of an idea, love of that idea grows.
So soothing is black and white
Talk on death starts at 30:00
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Impatience 😂😂😂😂
This life of constant struggle that we all lead is sooo miserable that before dead we have to die in the sense of being in beauty without our me-thinking, without our so called identity with all my attachments. And it is really discipline to observe from moment to moment my inner movements of thought and emotion, like you say! So I negate everything but Love ❤️, that’s the path You show us.
Thank you all for your precious work on this videos
#makelovework
What an orsom gift I have revekved
Mucho Amor GRACIAS mundo por un humbre humano.
how beautiful way of teaching 🌷
Last a few minutes on "cause n effect" has a profound meaning,an answer to the question asked,anything that has a cause must be in a chain of cause n effect e.g I love you because of this n that--Anything which has no cause like "pure love" n "pure intelligence" ,can it end???❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thank you
Beautiful!
As adults we just have to get over it , transcending it , when somebody we know very well and loved , when that person is dead . With mindfulnes training , meditation . Knowing that , in awareness consciousness maturity , knowing that we are all fragile , that we can be dead any moment , knowing this and accepting this is very good , you do not need a guru for that . Thinking much about our fragility . Also the Dalai lama is thinking like that every day , realising it that it can happen any time . Seize the now , seize the day . We as adults we have to teach it also to the children ... In the past i lost my father and mother , (i have no brothers an sisters) , i was very sad in the first few days , which is normal , but after a few days one has to get over it , because falling into a depression would be very stupid , so , LIFE GOES ON , help yourself an others where you can . Keep calm and carry on ...
I wish I could be like that. My mum passed away 6 months ago and I am so heartbroken can’t get her out of my mind.
@@nadaevans238 you can keep her in your mind forever without suffering by being heartbroken. The way to do it is to alter what her death means to you. Right now it means a void, a missing. If you alter the context and make her death mean something else, then you will never be heartbroken again. That something else is gratitude for her existence. Appreciate the fact that she was alive and therefore you got a chance to live. When you alter the meaning of her death from a missing to gratitude and appreciation, you can spend hours thinking of her every day and not suffer one second of misery. You will now smile when you think of her instead of crying. And if you do cry, those will be tears of joy, not sadness. Hope this helps.
@@ketankshukla I am going through a similar situation and each day is often a struggle. Your comment made my day and a perspective. Thank you very much 🙏
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Maha GNGNI, Krismna Maha Reshi, appeared in this Earth as Guru for us time less Infinite knowledge , infinite consciousness where time doesnot exist ONLY unconditional Love exist un contaminated love thanks
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He had tears ...he cried for the questioner
My Master! Great "conflict"
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No buddhist no christian no theist no atheist etcetera , no separation . Yes unity in impartiality . Yes Jiddu .
Lets say no politics no governance is it possible? Similarly men need law, culture and boundaries.. its left to his freedom and intellect to choose which path.. some paths have blind beliefs and very earthly god invented by people.. but for me god means nothingness and oneday we have to become that God (nothingness)..
Is to be able to think like Krishnaji a gift or can all humans develop this faculty?
The zero state of mind is for all human beings. But only the very serious persist
Excellent interesting talk. Speaker a great thinker. Sadly sound very poor.
What is after death , we do not know , it is a mystery , accept the mystery and you will feel more at peace .
U don't know that doesn't mean everyone don't know.. a goal to stop the cycles of re-incarnation is what i know.. there is no hell or heaven without body..
The content of conciousness, if not emptied goes on as a stream (in the river of mankind's), and manifest itself in other babies.
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I guess one question (among many) for me that comes up is that animals also grieve. Cats grieve and dogs grieve and feel pain when their friends or owners die, but their consciousness is different to ours. They don’t think of themselves the way we do. They don’t have ideas and beliefs. He says consciousness is a combination of those things, but I don’t see it is just that.
Whether (some) animals have self-image or not is still very contested in neuroscience.
As for death imho they have a very clear pre-linguistic cognition of it's irreversibility and consequences. Attachment in the sense that K uses is a genetically visceral,somatically powerful motivator in all psyches. The part of us that is aware of the part that gives names to connections and patterns is intimate ly connected to the rest. And also innately burdened by it.
Love is easier on the heart than desire. imho.
Surely there is no greater love is that of your child? More than a house, a husband, a lifestyle a career ???
Can love be cultivated ? Is love a voluntary action or love comes from nothing ? If love has no cause nor end, it can only be perceived, not experienced. We can't experience love, because in experience, there is an experiencer. What relation has love to death ? I think the questioner wasn't very satisfied with the answer, because he perhaps wanted to know if there is an awareness after death, what happens to our awareness. Certainly the body dies, and perhaps all memories, and personality. If that's so, if after death we have no memory at all, of what we were and what we did, it's like a person who suffered a brain injury and can't remember even his name. What value has kind of "life after death" if you don't remember a thing, what you are ? A person without memory is no more than a dead person. On the other hand may be nothing survive after death, so as another philosopher said: "When I am, death is not. When death is, I am no more", so, we never experience, or perceive death. It's like sleeping, when you finally sleep, you don't know you are sleeping. You only know you slept, when you are awake.
Fingers grasping, flower opens, wilts, mind reels.
First time I saw JK reading it wrong. The question was about detachment but he read it as attachment...can’t breathe without watching his videos...
No he read it as detachment
It is interesting that there are no absolute answers in his speech, only indication of ways of thinking in order to create ways to open the mind. Considering answers tend to close and questions tend to open.
Illusion is playing with us! Dolls we are.
I see that 8 people do not like the video , how can they be doing such stupid behavior , how dumb behavior ... Compassion ...
Sometime they accidently pressed it....
They Listened to Krishnaji, No Cause for their dislike 😀
U better think about those millions poor people who never heard about him
very seldom I heard people speak so trully
That is why we respected Rishis in Ancient India. They were the center of our civilization wisdom. But it is lost now.
I also cannot see that realistically If you tell a mother to question the nature of her consciousness that it will just make the pain of the loss of her child disappear. A mothers attachment to her child is not just mental, it’s also visceral and exists somatically. You can stop thinking and remembering and the pain will still be there. I wonder sometimes if we are just trying to get comfort from him suggesting there is another way and someone wise to look up to rather than realistically asking - where are these people that can suddenly not be sad with their husband or son dies? The story goes that k went beyond the pain of his brothers death, but if only K was able to do that then what is the point of talking about something of which there is no proof people can actually do? Also I find it confusing to trust when people say that krishnamurti did not always live how he taught.
I do see that love is not there just because we want what the object of our love gives us, it’s just there, but I wonder is missing what they gave us the reason that we cry when someone we love dies? Because we miss what they gave us? It doesn’t feel like that. There is also a visceral heartbreak… it doesn’t feel like that’s what it is only.