It all depends on if we get 2021 Elaine Thompson again, and if Shericka keeps making improvements in the 100m so that they can all keep pushing each other to break that WR!
If you look at Flo-Jo’s technique and her height, even she herself never reached her peak. She could have gone faster than the 10.49sec clocking if she stayed and carried on running to improve! Now Fraser-Pryce’s only deficit is her lack of stride length. She is running as fast as Flo-Jo if not faster in certain parts of the 100 meters (the first 50 meters) but isn’t able to maintain through the top end to the finish line. Flo-jo had mentioned that she needed to improve her start; so you see the difference? If Fraser-Pryce could improve her stride length and speed maintenance from 60 meters to the finish then yes, should would break the World Record (but I doubt that she can just simply because of her lack of stride length. She needs to be a few inches taller)
I really enjoyed looking at the two runners by comparing their times every 10 meters. I didn't think I would ever see this record fall in my life time, but now I have hope it will. Thank you for making this video.
When Flo-Jo broke the world record she took 47.5 strides for the 100 meters. Fraser-Pryce and Thompson-Herah average 50 - 51 strides per 100 metres, which equates to 5 - 7.5 metres at top speed, or 0.45 - 0.7 seconds. On top of this, Flo-Jo's reaction time was also 0.02 seconds faster which is another slight advantage she had. Flo-Jo took 8 steps in her first 10 metres over a period of 2 seconds, she covered the next 30 metres in 3.05 seconds and the final 60 metres in 5.44 seconds. Flo-Jo had a step count of 4 steps per second over the first 10 meters and 4.96 steps per second over the last 90 meters. To beat Flo-Jo's World Record, the following boxes need to be ticked: Reaction time of approximately .12 seconds or less First 10 meters in 1.9 seconds or less - 7.6 steps - 1.32 meters per step 10 meters - 30 meters in 2.1 seconds or less - 10 steps - 2 meters per step 30 meters - 80 meters in 4.55 seconds or less - 21.6 steps - 2.31 meters per step 80 meters - 100 meters in 1.85 seconds or less - 8.8 steps - 2.27 meters per step A step count averaging 4.5 - 4.8 steps per second which equates to 46.8 - 50 steps over the 100 metres. Capacity to maintain top speed over the final 70 meters of the race - No slowing down or cruising through the finish line. This equates to a time of 10.40 seconds over the 100 metres.
@@elefunk13 IOW>You seem to think that it will take a>Sheman to beat a Woman! Probably right, yet a unequal comparison. Indeed; As long as Flo Jo's WRs are ran by 100% Females>They will remain until a Female-Woman athlete>Breaks either of the Two. Peace...
@@crruan1142 What>"drug part"? Do You mean the part where she Never failed a drug test? Moreover; Possibly the part that after 36 Years and counting, there is No Verification of evidence with facts or proof of drug use to this Day, July 26, 2024. More apparent is the fact that You came on this site with that BS Baseless comment! Peace...
Flo Jo's height at 5'7 vs Shelly Ann at 5'0 is the clear difference between the world records. It proves how amazing Shelly Ann is to get so close to Flo Jo's record with a stride length 7 inches less
If you all think Flo Jo won without drugs, you should quit your jobs and start selling refrigerators to Eskimos, I hear there's money to be made Here are the facts ; - She has never won an individual gold medal in any event all her career before 1988. - She was so poor at winning, she left track and went to work in a bank to make ends meet before 1988. - She returned to track only a little over a year before breaking the record, all doctors and specialists say, there is no way any individual could improve their physique or performance in such leaps in such a short period. - She actually had a moustache in 1988 and she looked more manly, a byproduct of steroids and testosterone. - Out of competition drug testing was not available before 1989, therefore, athletes could use drugs during training and get it's effects, before the competition and not get caught when a test was done during competition - Her best time before 1988 in the 100m was 10.96 in 1987, and before that, she ran 10.99, all her other 100m results were above 11.00, there is no way an athlete in 12 months could reduce a 10.96 to 10.49 without performance enhancement drugs . - She died from epilepsy, a condition she never had before, 1988, this sickness is heavily associated with people who abuse steroids. - She suddenly quit track when it was announced that mandatory drug testing would be introduced while athletes were in training and out of competition. She was no champion, she was drug cheat. Every single world record holder in track and field, has won events leading up to their record breaking achievements, except Flo Jo
That's much overlooked and at 5'7" she was taller then many other sprinters from her time and even today. Sha'carri Richardson is 5'1" and the current World Champion 2023 and much smaller then Flo Jo had been.
@@hman2912 I agree with you. But we can not overlook the fact that both the female and male 100m world champions are both taller than average and not consider the possibility that it's an advantage.
@@mikechivyyes because you have a higher centre of gravity and less power to weight. FGJ was strong enough so that her technique which was supreme to take her through.
Well, the replay clearly shows that Flo-Jo actually increased her stride length towards the end, whereas most modern athletes either keep the same length, or shorten it, thinking that they will go faster if they can push off the ground more often. Jonathan Edwards used the same technique for his Triple Jump WR, using longer, flatter strides to maintain speed rather than the usual technique of jumping higher to increase distance in the Hop/Stop phases, but doing so reduces your lateral velocity at the Jump stage making it shorter. Someone else who uses the same technique as Flo-Jo/Edwards .... Usain Bolt.
Yep a do agree it has to be drugs remember this was nearly 40.year ago.. Juiced up to max.. Why retire when u win the gold surely u maintain that drive.. She'd of been caught if she'd carried on simple
@@snoopythedog3266 I'm saying that whether you do steroids does not automatically make your running style look better. Yes we get it, y'all want to make the point she did steroids. I'm specifically talking about, doing steroids does not translate to better running style.
I am not even a professional sprinter but did compete in my younger years. I can tell that Flo Jo last 50m with the drive , knee height and stride length with turnover is the most perfect technique/execution of running i think i have ever seen. It would be near impossible to replicate but if you want to beat her time you will need the exact same finish because i don't think it can get better plus a monstrously good start.
@@noname44748 ofc top track athletes are enhanced but I think it’s ana exaggeration to say you have to put your life at risk. From what I know they use moderate doses compared to strength athletes and it can be done relatively safely
I'm from the former GDR or East Germany and GDR athletes are still holding some WR. But today we know, almost everybody from that time in the 70s and 80 used PED. So I don't wanna say FloJo used PED but I doubt every record from this ERA. A German female Heptathlon Olympian athlete died in 1987 because she used way too much PED. Tbh, it needs a female Usain Bolt to beat the 10,49.
What happened to the once proud Germanic peoples., the people that crushed 3 Roman legions in the Teutoberg Forest,, Eventually sacking Rome itself centuries later.,,The people that held off the entire world by itself for years alone in Two World Wars,,, Now it’s this passive bunch of people who have no identity anymore wayyy too much Americanization in Germany,, and then you let the Russians have half your country for decades…
What happened to the once proud Germanic peoples., the people that crushed 3 Roman legions in the Teutoberg Forest,, Eventually sacking Rome itself centuries later.,,The people that held off the entire world by itself for years alone in Two World Wars,,, Now it’s this passive bunch of people who have no identity anymore wayyy too much Americanization in Germany,, and then you let the Russians have half your country for decades…Arminius is rolling in his grave.. Same way George Washington is in America
There was a documentary about PED use in the 80's and conclusion was that almost all athletes from USSR, East and West Germany, China and the States were on PEDS. They also mentioned to Birgit Dressel case. I followed track and field since the mid eighties and was a HUUUGE Heike Drechsler fan. Grtz from Belgium.
Das hat nichts mit der Ära zu tun. Alle Weltrekorde in diesen Bereichen beruhen auf Doping und ich wünschte mir sehr, die Verantwortlichen und auch die Athleten würden offen dazu stehen. Dies meisten dieser Sportler werden in ihren Karriere auch einmal erwischt, aber in vielen Ländern wird das mehr oder weniger als Kavaliersdelikt abgetan und nach kurzer Sperre geht's weiter. FloJo war ein weiblicher Usain, aber trotzdem beruht auch diese Leistung auf Stoff. Das wirklich Traurige an der Sache ist, daß die normalen Menschen / Zuschauer in allen Sportarten in den gedopt wird, das Gefühl für das natürlich Machbare verlieren. (Besonders krass ist das z.B. im Bodybuilding.) Da aber niemand einen wirklich sauberen Spitzensport gewährleisten kann, wäre die einzig praktikable Lösung, das Zeug einfach frei zu geben - dann ist es wenigstens halbwegs fair...
Like someone else said, I think if anyone breaks 10.49, it will be Elaine Thomson-Harah. Not only is her PB 10.54 (wind = +0.9, age = 31), faster than Fraser-Pryce's 10.60 (wind = +1.7, age = 37), Thompson is also six years younger.
Why hasn't she broken the record yet? What is she waiting on? Christmas?? for Santa to come around. That record has been standing for a long time and it will remain that way
Shelly will never break it. She's too short which restricts her turn over per meter/feet ratio. Elaine in good health has a better chance because of her height.
Oh! Shelly max out, Shelly can't run faster no more, she can't run 10.5, Shelly will never break the world record, Shelly too old, she too short. Oh! Shelly this, Shelly that but wait mon, don't be surprise when she shock all of you naysayers.
@@jlfc7455 Y'all love to create problems. Innocent people are being bombed in Palestine and children are being worked to death and sexually assaulted in Congo so that you can complain from your iphone about individuals you've probably never actually encountered in real life.
Her turnover is amazing, but her stride length due to her height holds her back. This hurts her topend. I don't think she will break it. Bolt is a good example of what I mean. Plenty of people with faster legs, but no one could overcome the stride length. The records are approaching a point now that not only do you have to have the talent/mechanics, but you must also have the best possible body type as well.
Until someone without that body type breaks the record. All body types have proven people wrong. There was a time when the 4 minute mile was considered impossible
Witness Flo Jo's form at the last 50 meters of the race. It's almost as if her feet barely touch the surface. It's almost unexplainable how she gracefully established such a sprint without it appearing that her strides were definitely not heavy. Until another runner perfects the right type of stride with power, Flo Jo's record will still stand. I do believe Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce has an opportunity to break Flo Jo's record if she pushes herself to her upper limits from 70 meters-to-100 meters. It's almost mind boggling how fast Flo Jo was powering through during the last 30 meters. Power combined with a near perfect form toward the end of the race.
Shelly-Ann Fraser-Prycе , too fat and too short. IMHO, if she could lose like 10 lbs at least, she could run faster.. Steroids? Regardless, look overweight still.
First thing I noticed was her gazelle-like strides. Especially in the second half of the race. It was like each stride equalled a stride and a half for the other competitors. Long, bounding strides with the same turnover of the others.
In an interview immediately after the race she wasn't even excited, merely pleased. She immediately stated she had run faster. In an interview with her and her husband, an Olympic 110m high hurdler, he stated she held the family record. He said, I wouldn't let any women beat me, when she did, I knew no women could beat her. To get a realistic estimate of Flo Jo's speed, her relay time of 10.15 should be used.
I spent a week on the same floor at a hotel as Flo-Jo in the early 90's, riding the elevator with her every morning with my young charges. The kids would play around where she was running and were fascinated by her outrageous nails. She was warm, funny and tremendously kind. At the time she talked to me a lot about arm strength in her technique and how having huge arm strength allowed her to increase her leg speed but looking at these clips I am impressed by how her leg extension is so incredible in her stride. I looks as if her feet a literally grabbing the track way out in front of her and reeling in. It was sad era of Olympics where there really was a dark doping underbelly in almost every sport at the time but Flo-Jo was indeed a mind blowing athlete and incredible competitor.
Flojo was and will always be my favorite runner. She was the only barbie doll I ever wanted and owned. Too many people think she was dopping..and she was tested constantly..so much so that it could easily be considered a bias. And it should be, because to this day people are under the false belief that she tested positive. That's defamation of character! And the best testing official at the time has openly said repeatedly, she never tested positive! Other woman are just jealous they can't accomplish what she did. And even regarding the wind arguement for the 100m, she still holds the world record in both the 100 and 200m runs. The same argument can't be applied twice. She was just a godess and a beast. Just natural talent beyond what others can defeat at this point.
@@lonetiger1000 There is little doubt that Flo-Jo got her WR because of doping. At the time of the 1988 olympics, growth hormone or HGH was not an illegal PED in sports and there was no standardized doping test for it. Flo-Jo's post mortem results showed enlarged internal organs including her heart which is a clear sign of HGH abuse. Darrell Robinson also said he had talked about HGH with Flo-Jo and purchased some for her. The olympics only started HGH testing in 2006. Flo-Jo's heavy makeup use was also speculated to cover up acne which is another side effect of anabolic steroids.
Just like Bolt. He was just a freak of nature and his strides were beyond that of any other athlete before and after him. Flo-Jo was just built differently.
If you look in the background of FloJo's race you see the long jump approach and pit, like a couple minutes before the race and another minute or so after the wind at the long jump was +4 and +5 and FloJo recorded her race at 0.0 (the only event during the whole track meet to register 0) and study was done and it was determined scientifically that the wind was probably at +4 to+5 at the time and that is not even saying anything about PEDs. So unless someone gets a chance in perfect conditions a +1.9 and everything else perfect you are right the odds are pretty long that the record gets broken.
If Mboma isn't banned soon, she will shatter both the 100m and 200m records. DSD Athletes aside: Give a fit Elaine and Shericka some time and watch the magic happen.
@@Simon1985_ What do you think “ rest in peace “ stands for? My comment is an abbreviation. I actually find it a touch odd you’ve not heard it used in this way 🤷♂️
Your breakdown of the splits was great, as it shows that Flo-Jo isn't even the fastest over the first 60m in the world. However, it was her speed endurance that enabled her to continue her speed over the whole 100m and get the record. And while I know all about the question marks that are over this record, I am perfectly happy to accept it as a valid time, even more so after this break down.
@@trackgrad08 FACTS!!!!!!!!! And people also like to leave out Flo Jo was literally a 400m runner before who doubled in the 200m who then moved to 100m Just as Jackson has done and I find it ironic how her times dramatically improved during Olympics for the 100m and now she’s is expected to break the WR over the 200m
I don't know whether she'll break FloJo's record or not. It'd be great if she did. I think she has a decent chance if she has at least another couple of seasons without age or injury catching up with her. However every single human is living on borrowed time, and Shelly is no exception. It's magnificent that she was able to have such a peak season this year, and I hope she's able to continue next year, but each additional year is just icing on a cake.
Great video. One big difference between Flo Jo and Fraser Pryce is their height. I think we often forget to add this factor into the equation. I am not a mathematician, but I would love to see this incorporated. Usain Bolt's height definitely added to his dominance. If a tall runner can turn over as quickly as a shorter runner, the win will always go to the taller runner (given strength and distance traveled per stride). When shorter runners hit their top speed, Usain Bolt and Flo Jo would still be accelerating. Slower starts, yes, but faster finishes.
I think she was heavy on steroids, some type of experimental drug not yet classified and detectable; her muscles was not real, and also her death is highly suspicious; you should also take into account the political motivations in that era of strong ideological struggle between usa and ussr, with reciprocal olympics banning, and the specific coincidence with fake victories coming from obviously doped soviet athletes
@@HH-mw4sq You don't know that. Safp is most likely on peds. Athletes and coaches have become expect at beating testing. Which is highly flawed and limited. This is evidenced across most if not all professional sports. A cursory search will highlight this.
@@baronvonhoughton - SAFP is definitely not on PEDs. PED users don't have longevity, and SAFP might be sprinting in her 5th 100m Olympic final next year. Unlike FloJo who was forced to retire from sprinting immediately after the Seoul Olympics.
The wind reading of 0.0 m/s was controversial right from the moment this race was run. 1. The wind reading at the triple jump runway, next to the track, at the same time as this race, was +4.3 m/s, and there were no wind-legal jumps during that entire 2 hour event. 2. Of all of the wind speeds recorded through this day, only two were below 2 m/s, the maximum allows for a record. Most were way above 2 m/s. The race immediately before this one, the second men's 100m semi-final, had a wind of +4.9 m/s. 3. Every runner in this race ran extraordinarily fast other than last-placed Howard, who slowed down. Six of these women progressed to the semi-final the next day and none ran a time remotely close to their time in this quarter final, despite helping winds. Dianne Williams, in second place here, ran 10.88, far faster than her 11.07 run in the 1987 World Championship final and she was much faster here than her next best time in 1988. 4. Look at the flag at 13 seconds in the video, billowing in the direction of the track. There is no doubt that the anemometer was in error. This race was wind-aided. The record books now include a note acknowledging this.
It's a moral issue: Flo Jo achieved her results through hard training. She didn't need doping. That's the point here. She changed coaches, she and her husband developed new training methods, which brought the long-awaited success, in addition to the work put in. A statement from Flo Jo and her husband, Al Joyner: “I know exactly what people say about me,” she said. "And that's just not true." I don't need to use drugs. If they want, they can come for testing every week of the year. I have nothing to hide." Her husband says all the talk boils down to jealousy. He said his wife's astonishing gains are the result of being "trained as a man." He added: “We bought a $150 leg exerciser and she did leg rolls every night. Over 20 pounds every night to add strength to your legs. She worked 12 hours a day.” Only those who have nothing to hide say so. Do 12 hours of leg training a day for months and you'll set the world record. Period. There are interviews with her from 1984 where her voice is exactly the same. She always had a deep voice.Her voice is also deep in the training video made in 1994, even though she hasn't competed in years. Flo Jo's death was caused by an epileptic seizure due to a congenital brain disorder, sadly drowned RIP. Florence Griffith Joyner retires from the field On February 22, 1989, five months after the Seoul Olympic Games, Florence Griffith Joyner announced her retirement from track and field. When discussing her retirement with Liguori, Florence Griffith Joyner said: "I retired in 1989 because I could no longer train at 100%, the way I used to train. If I can't give it my all, I don't want to give it at all." Florence Griffith Joyner moved on with her life. She became a mother, pursued fashion design and continued to combine sports and style. She even designed the 1990 NBA uniforms for the Indiana Pacers. After the death of Florence Griffith Joyner, doping allegations against her intensified. Many believed that illegal performance enhancers may have contributed to her death. However, after the autopsy, Dr. Richard Fukumoto, forensic medicine expert, clearly stated that no changes caused by steroids or other doping agents could be detected in her body. "This report allows Florence Griffith Joyner to rest in peace," said Primo Nebiolo, then president of the International Association of Athletics Federations. “Her family has had to endure incredible media attacks, many trying to undermine her legacy without any real evidence. This campaign harmed the entire sport and the anti-doping campaign. I expect more responsible behavior from media representatives in the future. I hope that after this, many members of the athletic world will assure the family of their love and sympathy." The 100m and 200m world record holder is Flo Jo, these are the facts. Facts are stubborn things. "Flo Jo was juicing". These are just assumptions. The truth is, no one has ever proven these allegations. So Flo Jo's world records are and will remain official. I don't see anyone who can topple them. Flo Jo achieved her results with the perfect harmony of body, soul and spirit. Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Florence Griffith Joyner's style and speed brought her international fame, but her Olympic performance was clouded by skepticism. A year after the Games, in 1989, a former American athlete named Darrell Robinson told a European magazine that Florence Griffith Joyner had given her money to buy growth hormones. Florence Griffith Joyner denied the allegations, telling the New York Times, "It's all made up lies about drugs. I'd be crazy to do drugs." In 1998, sports commentator John Feinstein said on NPR's Morning Edition, "The rumors were in Seoul in 1988, and I think the first thing to note is that he never tested positive," he said. "But she became a star late. She was 28 at the time... These rumors will always be there and she's been asked about them throughout her career, which she's always denied." The International Olympic Committee's medical board says it conducted rigorous drug testing on Florence Griffith Joyner during the 1988 Olympics - and it always came back negative. Florence Griffith Joyner spoke to journalist Ann Liguori about the allegations in 1991: "I knew I had never taken drugs, so I didn't let it bother me when people said that. I knew it was something that was in the news," she said. "People were looking for personal things to point at the athletes. Try not to buy it and just focus on what needs to be done and move on." I know it's hard to accept the fact that Flo Jo is the best in the world, pure. No one has ever proven that it is muddy. That being said, I understand that you are suffering and trying to smear Flo Jo's memory, but that only qualifies you. Your baseless accusations are just trying to reassure me, I am calm because I know the truth about Flo Jo's purity. So you can say anything until you prove that your words are empty. . She is the only woman to hold 2 athletics world records for more than 35 years. I'm sorry you can't understand that there are people in our world who can create admirable acts without any doping. DYOR The Jamaicans and Flo Jo's American opponents want to erase her official world records. I understand the reason for this: It is hard for them to bear that there was such an excellent athlete who achieved such fantastic results without doping. The envy, jealousy, anger that they may feel because of this becomes palpable to those who can sense it. It's easier for people to make accusations, find excuses, smear someone (Flo Jo) if their goal is not to acknowledge the wonderful achievements of a certain person. Such is human nature... The anemometer used at the time could not measure the crosswind because it was. DYOR
@@jonathanlegg4308 The wind was a side wind not a rear wind!!! Already proven no drugs in her system by a Pathologist!!! She passed every drug test in her life!!!
Wasn't a side wind, read the article by Dr linthorpe 1995. You can see flag fully stretched, down the track, at 12s. The mens triple jump was being contested at the same time, parallel to the track, and most wind readings were 4+.
I would definitely love to see that and i think she has a good chance of doing it. Last year 2 of her races showed that Shelly is capable of running 10.5; In Monaco she ran 10.62 with +0.4 and in Zurich she ran 10.65 wind a headwind of almost 1m/s. Elaine has ran faster than Shelly, but her inconsistency is what i think will prevent her to break the WR. While Shelly showed that she can run 10.6 in back to back seasons, Elaine couldn't even get close to what she ran last year.
All you're talking about is consistency ignoring the fact that Flo Jo was not consistently great in any sense of the word. She literally has only one great season which was 1988, she's only ever ran sub-11 a total of 10 times in comparison to Shelly-Ann's 75 times. Honestly speaking; I think deep down we all know that Elaine is the only woman right now that has 10.4 in her legs. Shelly's leg stride frequency is arguably the fastest of any woman in history, and she almost pulled her hamstring trying to get in the 10.5 range. Elaine is the best bet of the 100m World Record broken (unless you want to count DSD athletes like Mboma). Elaine doesn't have to run sub-11 a hundred times to break the record all she needs is one great season....if Olympic Elaine is unleashed again in any season; it's curtains for the rest of the world. Note: I forgot to mention that Elaine has been dealing with achilles and a shoulder injury this season which is why she didn't ran as fast as she could.
@@augustusfreeman4032 Where did you got that tale from she injured her hamstring she didnot just aoar from running multiple races that is in your bias mind only Elaine is capable There is no 10:40 in her legs l am sure you said the same thing about the 200m Shericka will go lower in the 200m Elaine was not injured whenever she looses she make excuses she herself said she was Ok
In the world record run, how did the other athletes do on their times compared to past races? You can say she had the wind advantage, but she smoked the rest of the field. If there was a wind advantage, the whole group would have great times.
@@Tom-xh8yj .....When you have no evidence to back your claim and she wasn't caught for doping, then it's unfair to label her a drug cheat. Remember, evidence is key. Propaganda, witch hunting and framing an individual because of suspicious media report help no one. Michael Johnson in his days, despite his staccato running style, lost several races, broke and set records. He wasn't labelled a cheat. It's not a perfect world and the rule is you are innocent until proven guilty. Take good care for now.
Anyone that knows her circumstances surrounding that year and that race, an improvement so profound over just six months, knows theres gonna always be an asterick with that WR.
I don't see it happening. It's such a shame that the women's 100, 200, 400, 800 and 1500 WRs are still under a cloud after decades. We must never get complacent. A good few years back I can remember rejoicing about the raw natural speed of Marion Jones, and then along came the THG scandal. It's going to take a once in a generation freak to do it and we may have to wait a while. Look where the women's triple jump WR is now as a result of somebody with enormous natural talent, has worked at her technique, eg to make a longer step phase, and BANG: she's out of sight! And she is a freak of nature, just like Bolt and, in swimming, Phelps or the UK's Peaty.
If Mboma isn't banned soon, she's gonna shatter both the 100m and 200m records. DSD Athletes aside: Give a fit Elaine and Shericka some time and watch the magic happen.
I hope that 100-1500 all go down. 100-800 are all from the roidal era. 1500 also has some question marks, plus I love Kipyegon and hope she can finally do it. She's so close. I think that Athing Mu has a chance at the 800. I think this was an awkward transitional year for her, and she seemed like she was afraid of losing, got sick, etc. She's still only 20. Judging from how she looked in 2021, I think she can get down below Pamela Jelimo's 154.01 if she has a decent year and manages to maximiz her potential, and then she can start going after those crazy 80s records. The 400m record suddenly looks vulnerable with the news that Sydney McLaughlin will be going after it. Salwa Eid Naser will also be coming back, but we don't know if her 48.11 was PED aided in the first place, or if she'll be able to get back to where she was.
There is no reason for the women's 100 and 200 meters records to be under a cloud. Flo Jo was tested constantly and was found to be clean of all PEDs every time, even after death. Now if you are talking about non women holding women's records that is problem.
@@augustusfreeman4032 I tend to agree about Mboma. When she appeared and it became clear that she was DSD, the apparently arbitrary event limit post Catser Semenya was immediately looking too weak. After all, both sprints favour explosive and sustained power. Maybe the medics should test fro speed endurance advantages over the springs too......
1995 scientific study for the 1,434th time - There is only a 5% chance of the 10.49's wind being lower than +3.5m/s and on average it would most likely have been +5.0m/s. FGJ wasn't slow though, she ran a 10.61 that was wind-legit so she still had the 1988 -> 2021 WR till ETH got her 10.54 So if SAFP (or ETH) can hit 10.53 or faster that should be the WR. I don't think SAFP will get to 10.48, nor will she get to 10.53 - She might get 10.59 but that's it, age will creep in, while ETH who is 6 yrs younger should make a comeback and run 10.5x again.
Sorry but 10.49 is the record to beat. You can't just go around claiming old records don't count because we think x and y might have been badly measured, otherwise people in the future might start doubting Usain bolt's records for similar reasons. Sometimes unbelievable things happen.
@@motherofallemails For this particular race you can do this though. It's general knowledge that the Long Jump Pit in the same direction read 4~5 m/s throughout the LJ competition (LJ in the same direction as the 100) & during the same time the wind gauge read 0.0 on the track. It would be one thing if the track gauge had an actual reading, whether it be 2.0, 2.9, 3.5, 5.0, 1.4, etc. However a straight up 0.0 when it felt super windy just shows that it wasn't working.
@@richardgallimore5976 sorry but you can't do that, otherwise in the future people will find their reasons to say various records from our time don't count just like you're doing. Remember that Flo Jo did not use the modern technology we now have to polish every aspect of her race, otherwise maybe she might have hit a 10.35 or something. Also nobody was even close to her pace to push her to go faster. Sorry but you just can't go around doing that, it's pretty outrageous actually.
@@motherofallemails We'll have to agree to disagree. 10.54 is the fastest wind-legal time ever run, Elaine TH is the true record holder, SAFP in 2nd at 10.60, & Flo-jo in 3rd in 10.61.
One of the clearest of footings. She is like 3rd or 4th among the US women then suddenly she does this season and then retires. Same with Marita Koch and 400 meters.
@@DoubleD144 she didnt get caught. Many, many mysteries. Modern sprinters dont believe she did it legal. Not sure what ur deal is that u cant admit to circumstantial evidence. A jury would convict quickly. But i would do her regardless
Stride length was unbelievable. With such a stride it's easy to see that her start would not be the best, but there was no way she wasn't running away from the field at the end. Like Secretariat, "ordinary" start, incredible finish. I did not follow her after her career was over. But I just now Googled it and when I found out how she passed, I cried. It 's so damned wrong..
Elaine Thompson has great stride length. I think that's the part that's most tricky. Shelly's compact stride + top end speed, vs Elaine's long stride + top end. That said, I don't think Flo Jo's record is carved in stone anymore. One of these ladies, or maybe Sherika Jackson will break it.
@@chuckrosenthal8959 that stride length was a function of her POWER. I'd like to see training videos of her. For comparison they showed Ben Johnson squatting 500lb for 3 reps at a body weight of 188lb.
I remember watching Flo-Jo on TV the day she did this. Don't cheapen her memory by pulling this record to bits.She was one of the most amazing athletes I have ever seen in 60 years. Still remember the day she died.
Dude, she cheapened it herself. The facts are the facts. It’s all but confirmed she doped. It’s inhuman for an athlete at that level to improve that much in 12 months
Interesting that many people are not questioning the dramatic improvement that Flo-jo made between the 1987 world championships and the 1988 US trials and the Olympics. She finished second in the 1987 200m barely getting under 22 secs (2.96) and was barely getting under 11secs for the 100. Suddenly, less than 10 months later she shows all muscular and blazing the 100 in 10.49 and then 21.34 to win gold in Korea. Unheard of improvements for a 28 year old sprinter. I put it to you that she took a page from Ben Johnson and his surprising success in 1987 and started using steroids in prep for the upcoming Olympics. don't forget that back then athletes were only being tested during competitions so all they had to do is to stop using 3 weeks before the event thus avoiding discovery. Ben Johnson was busted because he did not follow the system his coach Charlie Francis had for him. As Ben was concerned about his injury earlier in the season and felt he needed more help went to see a doctor who claimed he knew how to mask the steroids. He didn't.
I’m 46 and Athletics was my first love. I’ve been obsessed with this record for 30+ years (and the 200) and desperately need someone to break it so we can move on once and for all. So many modern day sprinters admit they don’t even consider it a world record as it wasn’t clean. They know. Jackson seems in the driving seat 🙏🏻
She definitely was on roids in 88 Olympics. Look at her PB’s before and after. Nowhere close. All of the other female sprinters at the time knew it. Look at what the great Evelyn Ashford has said about it
It doesn´t matter. The average joe will praise these people over and over again even if they´ve been convicted drug abuseres. Human beings are a product of their genetic dispostion and the right training. The rest comes with performance enhancing drugs and growth hormones. The average joe lives his or hers day to day live thinking they´ll become equally as sucessful and famous until the bubble burst and they´ll realise, nope. In the meantime they compensate their own pointless existence and follow these cheaters steps. Every major athletce has been convicted of using forbidden substances. Those who haven´t, well, ask why - not that they didn´t use anything. Only a deluded fool would say otherwise - for the mentioned reasons. People need heros to reevalute themselfs. Every form of criticsm against that concept lets their fragile egos crumble. In today narcistic - sick soceity even more than ever before. @@corrieroozee6479
If Shelly or Elaine are to break this record it will require near perfect weather conditions plus a increase in their speed endurance but I fear it may too late in Shelly’s career for such improvement.
Shelly-Ann is already a great; for her longevity, consistency and beautiful technique. Unfortunately, she's physically a tad too small to take the record from the unique Flo-Jo, who has been unfairly vilified ever since. Flo-Jo's technique is what made her fast, not wind or substances and she competed in a games where drug cheats were being caught en mass. She remained clean. That's irrelevant. It's no coincidence that Elaine and Shelly-Ann both study Flo-Jo's running technique and seek to draw from it. Drugs don't give you technique. Give it up .....
@@trackgrad08 Out of season no, but Ben Johnson and many others tested positive for steroids at that games. Your claim is a non sequitur btw. It's clear technique was the secret of Flo-Jo's speed, not "muscles". That's why she was called "Flo Jo". The modern top women sprinters try to copy her. You can gripe all you like, there is NO evidence she won by anything other than fair means. Contemporary athletes don't have a right of way to hold records. Sometimes the best have been and gone. The men's high jump and triple jump records are "ancient". Going forward more and more records will stand unmatched. I don't need to look it up, I watched and followed athletics and those games live. Get over it ...
We Jamaicans have no doubt whatsoever that SFP can and will smash that world record because she has all that it takes. We stand with you pocket rocket. #OneLove🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
I Love SFP, and believe it or not her leg speed is faster in certain parts of the 100 meter race than Flo-Jo’s. What Flo-jo has over SFP is excellent technique through relaxation and maintenance of speed at the top end. Flo-Jo’s advantage is the ability to run her own race throughout the 100m distance without focusing on the other competitors. The other difference is her height which produces the stride length which SFP unfortunately doesn’t have (now Elaine has the height that’s why with good technique plus the relaxation she came close to equalling the record but she’s then she’s inconsistent! But time will tell)
I love Shelly and will never doubt her but she and Elaine will have to fight it out. Elaine’s form is pretty close to that of Flo so it’s up for debate.
My non-Jamaican self will happily behind her country persons if allowed. I’m here for the greatness in athleticism and will not let my birthplace keep me from fully appreciating her talent. Break that record!
@@prestonmatthews725 Let’s not put too much pressure on poor SFP & Elaine T. The world is full of wonders and no one knows exactly what’s around the corner!! For all we know, there’s another Flo-jo (even better) brewing out of sight who will be unexpectedly faster, more dashing, a real fabulously good-looking Avatar-like Female athlete and more of a phenomenon than all these girls who are dominating now (who can predict the signs of the times??) Let’s face it Elaine & SFP are amazing athletes but they don’t have that ‘Show-stopping’ Star Quality that Flo-jo had (just by appearance) and the World needs to see that!! It’s been too long.
@@Headonwriter I think it is likely the wind gauge malfunctioned. However, her form and power is still sublime. Her opponents were world class and had the same wind conditions and were still walked. She still would have set the record in this race. And yes I am aware of the ped allegations, too.
@@Headonwriter If that race was wind aided then the other 7 women must have all ran a personal best time too. And if not then how was she able to benefit from the wind and her competition did not? The 2022 USATF Championships 100m finals was wind aided and it was said that all of them ran under 11 seconds. Now that's evidence of a race being wind aided.
@@Headonwriter So you are saying and deducing that the “Wind” that aided Flo-jo was miraculously only blowing in her Lane and that wind was hell-bent on following only her and pushing ‘She Alone’ in her Lane to that Fabulous World Record?? Let’s shift our focus to Seoul Olympics also in 1988 when she broke the 200meters World Record (21.34sec). She run the last 100meters in under 10 seconds and there was no issue or debate about ‘Some Weird Wind’ blowing behind only in her lane to push her!! So that performance alone was evidence that her 100 meters World Record is Legitimate. Flo-jo had actually planned to continue running and improve her start which she thought needed some work for the next season however endorsements and business deals worth Millions of $$$ particularly international ones that took her away from home (USA) to places like Japan then eventually caused her to decide to retire because she wasn’t finding the time any longer to train, let alone harder to improve on her World Record!! At that point she said she felt she had done it all and there was nothing more to prove!
I believe the technology of breaking down the race to determine what areas need improvement I guess is such that Shelly has within her reach the knowledge of how to achieve world record status. The question is whether or not she has enough time left for her body to continue to perform at such a level.
I like the constant allegations of drug use about FloJo but nothing is mentioned about Frazier’s impossible speed elevation in her mid 30s. It’s laughable to think these athletes are drug free.
It's interesting that her fellow athletes had a few things to say about that record. I am going along the lines of Ben Johnson and what was discovered about him later on.
@@TotalLoveformusic The East Germans proved it was an era where it was easy to get away with cheating. No question in my mind that she was a cheat, given the chain of events.
Not only was she using PEDs ( verified by the teammate who sold it to her and Carl Lewis) but that wind reading was ridiculous. You can see the flags blowing like crazy and the reading is 0? The other races that day were wind aided but miraculously the wind disappeared for FloJo? No one goes from bank teller/ hair stylist to buff world record holder without some "medication". Her husband was also a confirmed PED user. Too many coincidences not to declare her guilty of steroid use.
@@lalib.53 there is none, just as there was none with East Germans who later admitted to mass doping that they know would be undetected. Join the dots…it’s no coincidence she improved so dramatically in a way no athlete in history has done at that time of her career, in an era rife with doping, and her sister-in-law, using the same coach, also so happens to have drastically improved and suddenly posted times snd records that have been untouchable for 35 years, which, again, is unheard of.
Best statisticians in the world have Elaine at 6.87/3.67 in 10.54 (PJ Vazel, LR Jeffrey, and Speed Analysis Channel).. Shelly 6.81 in Doha rather than 6.82.. and 3.79 60-100m is her fastest from Lausanne 10.60.. Athletefirst has been a great database but there are many errors there and inclusion of USATF splits which are pretty much denounced
Thank you for this comment. I looked throughout the website for sources and they did cite PJ as well as Brüggemann from the 90's, Ferro from the early 2000's, and Takashi from the 2010's, but there was never any mention of sources being measured incorrectly. It's very dense information with certain races having different and sometimes "better" measuring equipment than others it appears, so I'll make sure to mention all of that in the description. Thanks for the information and thanks for watching
SUCH A CHEAT!!! Listen, these were her best times throughout the years: 1984: 100 Meters: 10.99 seconds Event: Olympic Trials, Los Angeles 1985: 100 Meters: 11.00 seconds Event: Zurich 1986: 100 Meters: 10.96 seconds Event: Goodwill Games, Moscow 1987: 100 Meters: 10.96 seconds Event: World Championships, Rome 1988: 100 Meters: 10.49 seconds Event: U.S. Olympic Trials, Indianapolis 200 Meters: 21.34 seconds Event: Seoul Olympics As you can see, she spent 4 years running at the same speed. No improvement whatsoever, and then out of the blue, BOOM, she becomes the fastest sprinter ever with a leap of HALF A SECOND on her personal best. No human being has ever made that kind of improvement in any sports ever. That was the year, where in the men’s final 7 athletes were eventually caught cheating. The beginning of the Big doping era. This Dramatic Improvement in Performance: Florence Griffith Joyner's significant improvement in her sprinting times between 1984 and 1988, including setting world records in the 100m and 200m, led to speculation. Her 1988 100m world record of 10.49 seconds remains unbeaten. + Physical Appearance: Observers noted her muscular physique and physical transformation, which some attributed to potential drug use. This was part of the basis for suspicion. + Association with Al Joyner and Bob Kersee: Her husband, Al Joyner, and her coach, Bob Kersee, were both associated with top athletes, some of whom faced doping allegations, raising further questions about her training environment. + Untimely Death: Griffith Joyner died in 1998 at the age of 38 due to an epileptic seizure. Some speculated that her early death was linked to possible long-term effects of performance-enhancing drugs, although no medical evidence supports this theory. You may have decided that you cherish her because she was pretty, or black or a woman, or sweet or funny. But if you aren’t biased, you will find it very hard to justify her struggling to be someone in the sport for years to suddenly becoming a legend to retiring all within a year and half. She cheated and got away with it.
Sure, this is plain obvious, the improvement from 1987 to '88 was just beyond plausible. In her case excessive drug consumption may have contributed to her early death. Same for Michael Johnson who had a stroke a few years ago. I never trusted him.
During this period HGH was unknown and not tested for at this time , high level of using HGH has proven to cause seizures, depression, and weakness of brain vessels aka strokes . She also retired as soon as usada was going to start doing un schedule random drugs tests and hgh will be tested for she retired as soon as this was announced within days
In terms of Shelly-Ann, let us also remember, that a fair number of women have come back from pregnancy or child-birth to actually better their performances. Elaine had a Carmelita Jeter moment, when she ran that wonderful 100m at the Olympics. But, that might be as good as it gets. Shelly-Ann doesn't have the finish. Hence why she can't dominate the 200m. If she cannot gain the necessary 'after-burners', in the last 50m of the 100m, Flo-Jo's record will remain. Final point (and this is important). Nutritional, and training methods have improved drastically, over the last 34 years. Our athletics tracks are better. in fact they allow you to run a tad faster. And then, we have the new footwear technology, that has helped Shelly-Ann and Elaine record huge times over the past year or so. So, there are no excuses. Give Flo-Jo her due respect.
@Phil Jermakian You make such a strong point. Your take didn't come across my mind on what you mention. And I definitely have to agree with you. Today's social media platform and other stuff today can definitely play a factor in anything we do today. The 1980's still had their challenges. I didn't enjoy the 1980's from a work perspective. But from a family and friends' perspective, I definitely enjoyed the 1980's a lot more than the 2010's and definitely more than this decade so far.
Foil what foot where help any one run faster dout believe every sales pitch u hear like every one touting lobran James and piping say he would pick Jordan over him every day so stop the media hype and stick to fact of the matter Kevin doesn't is a much better player yet all a u in the Jane hype stick to the fact onDr. Shelly Ann
It was the transformation on her strength and speed over a short period of time later on her career that was the most deeply, deeply suspicious thing. I and many others believe she was juiced. It matters not. She died many years ago.
She came out of relative middle-of-the-pack status, suddenly exploded in 1988 shattering records in a sport where records are normally moved in microscopic increments, with preternatural muscularity, then faded quickly and died young. Hmmm. "How could that have happened." Pretty much only one explanation.
Only if you believe that no elite sprinter has ever taken PEDs, since. Otherwise, the record would have been broken long before now, especially given all the other advancements in equipment, track surfacing, training, nutrition etc.
@@petewest3122 the mid-late 1980's, into the 1990's (plus or minus), was sort of the heyday of PED's. Balco and its peers were one-step-aheading testing technology. Athletes faced a "use or die" environment. Lance Armstrong is possibly the highest profile example. Records in the 100m don't get shattered like FloJo shattered them. Simply doesn't happen. Unless there is some non-human element to the performance, such as PEDs.
@@TheZipeedoo Usain Bolt took 0.16s off the previous 100m world record in the space of 1 year. And there's no comparison between 2009 men's and 1988 women's 100m in terms of over all competitiveness and standard.
@@petewest3122 FloJo's record was nearly 1/2 second faster than her previous PR. She retired from running on the eve of the institution of mandatory random testing in track & field.
@@TheZipeedoo 0.4s is a massive PR, no doubt. Sometimes everything just comes together for an athlete. Just look at Bob Beaman or Kevin Young. I'm not saying that Flojo was 100% natural, only that steroids weren't the definitive factor in her WR. Even after 34 years, no one has matched Flojo's near flawless running technique, and that's something that doesn't come from taking PEDs. It's like when Jonathon Edwards jumped 18.29m. He wasn't the most powerfully built jumper, but on that day he achieved near perfection in energy transferal. Flojo achieved something similar on the track.
Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce is 36, that's just crazy and unbelievable to be that competitive in this sport at that age. I want her to break that record, but at the same time I also don't want Flo-Jo's record to be broken.
@@paulobastos1774 her face look like a bodybuilder on the juice; notice she is never mentioned by any of the sports entertainers, her record is untouchable and we all know why: they gave her a free pass, because at the time we were in a Cold War with Russia and we did not want to come off as cheaters like the East Germans , so they allowed her to go off in the sunset quietly
@@aldopedroso6212 everyone forgets she was juiced to the gills . She failed a drug test but never had it public cause the attorneys fought it, she came back the next year and looked like a shadow of herself , America is scared to challenge her record and take it down cause of being labeled “racists”
Not throughout her career. Just for her last two seasons. That was when her body shape and even her face changed. That was also when her times suddenly became world beating. It was not subtle.
The tracks are faster today. Footwear has also improved. Nevertheless FloJo's technique especially in the second 50m, stands apart. It will take an extraordinary effort to surpass her record.
@@richardsmith4783 Was never any proof. You can't just take steroids over a short period of time and smash a world record. Koch and the East Germans were on years of state sponsored doping. And if anything women sprinters are even more muscular today.
@@Fontsman she died in her 30s frim a heart attack...and look at her physique changes....even in todays times she would be regarded as exceptionally muscular...in the 80s it was almost unheard of. Look at ben johnsons physique..like a body builder. Of course the east germans..russians..and all eastern block countries had their doping going on and those records should also be expunged. I just hope it doesnt surface that Bolt was a cheat as well.
Would be interesting to break down the other athlete's performances in Flo-Jo's record race. Were there any huge PRs? If the wind really was +4.0 m/s or even higher you'd expect some of the field to run the fastest race of their career or to atleast PR.
Actually thats what happened. Most of the athletes made PRs that day because of the wind: www.brunel.ac.uk/~spstnpl/Publications/IAAFReport(Linthorne).pdf
@@ochoymedio78 Name them and the amounts in her heat, beside that a lot of people set PB's and PR's at the Olympic Trials they train all year to peak at that meet.
@@phoebus Don;t be lazy, Page 47. The runners of quaters I and II did ALL PERSONAL BESTS for that year 1988 (Olympic year). That means they ALL outperformed their times of semis and finals. ALL. And most did their PR, like Williams 10.86, Echols 10.83 and Brown 10.92. Do you want to be right or get some knowledge? Read the paper, is fascinating and conclusive.
I remember when I saw her run that race, it was amazin how she just ran away from the rest of these women. The last 40 meters was like she was on overdrive or something she was moving so fast.😄 Some men can't run that fast, FloJo was incredible.
@@holgerpetersen445 Back then it wasn't considered doping, man, nowadays it is, yeah. But Flo Jo probably just thought she was taking something that made her body healthier, she and others had No Clue of how dangerous Peds were.
First, she never tested positive. Second, I am so sick and tired of people defaming her name. Flo Jo was a world class athlete. Her build didn't change much at all.
Bro if u think athletes are clean because they cheated these lame ass tests then you are delisional and you literally have zero knowledge about the sport.
Testing negative in the 80's were easy as hell. It was literally just Americans and Soviets throwing drugged up superhumans into the Olympics having their dope cocktail cocked up in labs. Her musculur definition changed entirely within like 6 months and she died at at a young age. She was doped to all hell 😂😂😂
@@VG_164 Shacarri not far from her. Look how her body changed since texas or lsu. We dont have women looking like that in europe. Only a few countries are able to produce such monstrosities
You hear it because it is the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts, especially when it is someone you admire. A negative test, back when she ran, was easy as pie to have. She retired right before 1989 when the hardcore testing with better detection, began.
I remember the Olympics before her times exploded she was just an also-ran-she had been training for many years at that stage-how do you think she found such an astonishing improvement ?
Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce is saying the exact same thing that Florence Griffith Joyner said in her interviews when asked what was the secret to running so fast ? Along with proper running form she would always say relaxation is the key.
I'm beginning to suspect that "relaxation" is a euphemism for drugs. There's basically no way that a sprinter can go even faster after 65 metres than they did at 40-60m. It's very hard to maintain top speed as muscles get tired... Unless you're on drugs.
@@xpat73 yes I'm saying she was clean. You'd have to be blind to look at her sprinting form compared to the other women in the race and not see Florence Griffith-Joyner's sprinting mechanics are far superior then her competitors.
I've got minimal knowledge on sprinting and the history of it, but Flojo's incredible top speed seems to be coming from her long strides and endurance - similar to Usain Bolt. I think Shelly-Ann is at a serious disadvantage just due to the height difference. But for a top level athlete to be winning events and somehow STILL be improving just proves there are still adjustments to be made. It's fun to watch them compete
You think the worlds fastest woman is at a major disadvantage physically? Man, people are stupid. Give someone 3 meter long legs and see how fast they start. Swings and roundabout you mongaloid.....thousands of factors come into play and you have diluted it down to height. # go home
@@aldopedroso6212 It depends on the drugs. Drugs that will enhance an athletes strength and power (which contributes to an increase in stride length), would/could not increase anaerobic endurance as well. Those are the two different types of drugs.
I ran a 12.5 100m. Iwas able to get my time down to 10.6 without peds! I did it by weight traing, playing basketball, and football while on the college track team. It all has to do with conditioning, stretching, and body weight. I'm 6-1 and weighed 167lbs ripped!
I think Shelly will get the record. Let's just all push that positive energy forward. She has the right progress and the right plan. All that is left is the completion of the act.
@@knucklesaukuso5086 -- I just hope someone breaks it. Records are meant to be broken. Broken records also show progress in the human race. We continue to get bigger, faster, and stronger. It is time for this record to go down. Flo Jo was too amazing. I know there was a lot of controversy with that record but there was no controversy with her 200 record that still stands. So, the conclusion is she was well well ahead of her time, but it is time to surpass her.
@@ronniejohnson196 don't hate us jamaicans congratulate. Yu no seh flo jo did dead pon drugs dats why she soon retire after she set dem records fraid fi get catch. Out of many one people.🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿😁😁😁
I just saw something that explains her time. At around 50 meters FloJo's stride lengthened until the 85 meter mark then shortened to the finish. That's what kept her speed even.
What a lot of people forget is that Flo-Jo didn't just run that one super fast time as a fluke. She ran under 10.7 no less than seven times in 1988. No other athlete has ever done that either. Was the 10.49 wind assisted? Quite probably. But she was always going to set a time no one else was anywhere near. Take that wind assistance away and she's still in the 10.5s comfortably. It took until 2021 before someone even got close. Amazing stuff.
You cant juice up THAT much nowadays, more testing, especially in europe and bigger events.. but they surely have more anvanced ways today on the other hand..
I can never understand how people can't fathom Flo Jo's records but we have Usain Bolt who set an even more untouchable record. Like the women are way closer to Flo Jo than the men are to ever catching Usain lol.
The difference is that Usain Bolt's progression as a sprinter was very believable and he had a much stricter testing regimen which would have made cheating more difficult. In contrast, Flo-Jo improved her time by half a second at the age of 28, and she trained under a coach who is widely rumored to dope his athletes, but seems to know how to avoid getting caught. In Flo-Jo's time, it was possible to stop taking PEDs before the races to avoid detection, but Usain would have gotten caught if he had tried that.
@@amosbatto3051Sprinters can absolutely improve their PB in their late 20's or even their early 30's. It's uncommon, as you're not in your physical prime anymore (as far as speed goes), but it's possible. Adapting one's technique can really go a long way.
In 1988 Flo-Jo was stuffed with doping, but the IOC focused on Ben Johnson, and didn't want another scandal involving the most popular sporter of the Games. Therefore they let her go. Those cable-muscles, her voice, and her 'superhuman' performance gave her away nevertheless.
@@davissinclair4945 Ben Johnson was born in Jamaica, immigrated to Canada as a teenager and became a naturalised citizen. The Canadians made for an easy patsy, for sure.
As a Jamaican, the one thing I see Flo Jo and Usain Bolt have in common is HEIGHT ..that to me helps with a much longer stride than say of SFP 5ft stature. That's why I think what SFP has accomplished to date is remarkable.
@@christiansoldier77 just so you know the average height for a female sprinter is 5ft 2 to 5ft 5. Flo Jo was 5ft 7. Not tall by your standards but by sprinting standards
Off course is hard to beat Flo Jo 1988 records , since 1989, growth hormone can be detected in anti-doping tests. , coincidentally, he retired from professional competition a month before the tests began.
Agree with that but answer this question Olympic drug screening and samples are saved pretty sure even back then and a food amount of medals were over turned from future testing so was her sample ever retested just asking say what you want she has an almost perfect stride if you was to pit a perfect computerized run overlapped on her run it would be close to identical. Pretty sure in thay aspect as well. I'm not making definite staments just more curious as to what people say about these statements
I would agree with the WR set by the athletes from Eastern Europe, particularly East Germany, as even retired athletes from that country have stated that various stimulants were used to improve performances and not just in athletics.
@@kurman4749 Plenty of doping went on the West also. The 1984 Olympics are well known to have been a complete joke with widescale cover up by the US labs.
As a former track athlete I had a coach who met Flojo on 2-3 occasions. Her drug use was basically an open secret. He told me she was having to conceal facial hair with a lot of makeup and that her features were becoming more masculine over time. It’s a shame to have this BS record and to have robbed Evelyn Ashford of gold.
Thanks for speaking the truth. So tired of all this make believe nonsense that's been going on for over 33 years. No one has a problem vilifying Ben- but FloJo is unassailable.
RJ H: *As a former track athlete, do you have your personal first-hand eyewitness facts you want to share and not what your coach assumed or speculated? If Flo Jo's "drug use was an open secret," why did she not fail any of the often vigorous drug testing she was subjected to more than any athlete of that time while others failed their drug tests and got caught? When people don't want to believe something, they see and hear what they want.* *Question, was your coach a first-hand eyewitness or just another person who heard what someone else said, who heard what someone else heard and said, all hearsay started by someone else? Rumors have a way of taking on their own life once it has been started by someone else. And you are here telling the public of what someone may or may not have said or heard what someone heard or said.* *But don''t worry, you will have willing believers of what you just typed as fact, because this is how things go, and these people who have just read what you typed will repeat it many times again and then the info in your comment will will carry a sense of legitimate facts of its own because to them, you just provided actual historical fact.* THIS IS HOW THE WORLD OF RUMORS AND INNUEDO GO'S!
The anemometer wasn't functioning for whatever reason. It didn't register any wind speed. It was 0.0, yet other readings at that time showed a wind outside the legal limit. She was aided by wind. It would not have counted as a world record. She never again matched or even came close to matching 10.49. Despite having passed rigorous drug testing, I strongly believe she was doing something to give herself a significant competitive advantage. It was likely something illegal that went undetected. What raises more suspicion is she retired shortly before random drug testing became mandatory at only age 28.
Pryce is using her usual explosive start, musculature and turnover to get near Flo-Jo. Totally different race styles, which is why it'll be very difficult for her to catch it. At least she's trying to catch the goddess. I recall previous Jamaican sprinters saying they didn't even consider FloJo's times to be real.
Masking drugs hid the real reason for Flo Jo's improvement. Just as Ben Johnson got caught using masking agents, Flo Jo Bailed out of athletics. I remember when both Ben Johnson and Flo Jo were average sprinters. There improvement to the top defied normal progression. Evelyn Ashford ran down drugged up East Germans and beat them, she was the real star.
Flo-Jo’s run was comparable to Bob Beamin’s WR long jump. Everything came together at one moment for an incredible display of skill, form, and athletic performance. People need to stop being so suspicious about her run. There is NO *after her WR!
nah, everyone in track knows she was doping-next youll be telling me Santa Claus is real. All the womens records from 100m - 800m are held by obviously doped performances.
Her race was the only one where the wind meter that read 0.... not possible. It was 1988 the pinnicle of beating the test for PED's. Im an American track fan and more specifically a womens track fan. AS much as I want to believe there are no reasons to doubt her performance. She had been pretty good before the PEDs but after she move up in the rankings in a spectacular way. Then on this day, the faulty wind gauge. And in no time, she dies as does many who abuses PED's. Even Lance Armstrong eventually got caught. Any athlete that set records in this time periods, I have serious doubts about steroid use enhanced their abilities.
"The ONLY World Record that nobody can break?" Javier Sotomayor's World Record for the Men's High Jump has stood at 8 feet and 1/4 inch since 1993, and despite the advances in shoes, equipment, training surfaces, and nutrition, no one has even come close to breaking it.
Both the Womens 400m World Record and Womens 800,m World Record have stood for longer than Flo=Jo's. The were set by 400, Marita Koch (GDR) in 1983 and 800m Ludmila Kratochvilova (CZE)1985, and yes as you can see they are both Eastern European athletes.
@@stevored1989 All of your statements are correct, my friend, but in my opinion, Koch's WR in the women's flat 400m has a reasonable chance of being surpassed within the next few years. The women's 800m and Sotomayor's men's high jump WR's will both probably take much longer.
I watched this race in real time all those years ago. Her form and stride is what was so remarkable. She was simply... Just That Good. They didn't want to give her, her props. then and they don't want to give them to her now. Well that's just to bad, because Haters....like it or not, that record was history making and has stood the test of time. Just like Hank Aaron was the Home Run King over Babe Ruth and didn't get his acknowledgement. And look how long it took for that record to be broken.
Everything was just perfect, the universe was aligned just right that day for FloJo to beat the record by such a margin, just like when Bob Beamon beat the long jump record by what was thought to be unbelievable and cheating, etc.
Bob Beaman jumped at altitude. Easier than sea level. Carl Lewis broke his record at sea level. Flo Jo died at 38yo. People suspected her early death came due to perfomance enhancing drugs.
@@markrymanowski719 The suspicion was laid bare when the HGH test became available, her husband tested positive... and she immediately retired. Although there was no proof positive, her previous bloodworks (over many years) were kept in cold storage. There was a strong suspicion (and unsubtle hints) that those previous years' worth of tests would be rechecked if she had decided to come out of retirement.
I understand there is a lot of controversy with Flo-Jo and her record. However, look at the running style, it looks like she is almost floating, it was simply perfect!
@@Kay-fv7cwThe only controversy are from drug-deniers. There is absolutely no question that she used drugs. Her improvement was sudden, she retired just before mass drug testing was to be instituted, and she died at 38. There is no controversy around it among reasonable people, because we absolutely know without question she used drugs.
PEDs that's why. We watched her for years come in 4th place. She disappeared for a year or so and came back looking different and running waaaaaaay faster. She might not have tested positive, but doesn't mean she wasn't taking PEDs; we all know in our hearts she did.
@@kenzo7513 Marion couldn't keep her mouth shut like Carl Lewis. He's the best poker player sprinter. He knew when to fold and when to run. Everyone on the starting lineup in Seoul was doping and Carl Lewis knew it. Passing the piss man is easy when the country you run for practically runs the whole show.
Yes. She was hovering north and south of 11.5 seconds in the 100 meters for the longest time. All of a sudden she runs a 10.49, taking a full second off the range of her average times, only to retire all of a sudden before random testing became mandatory? Sorry, but that raises eyebrows in a major way.
I know people get upset about the allegations but the performance HAS to be set in context. 4 years before this event, Flow Slow was a member of the USNOTFT at the LAG. It is accepted and has been for some time that multiple PED findings were binned during that competition. Then, 2 years before this event, Flo Slo had her arse handed to her on a silver platter in Zurich by Cathy Cook. Now Cook was fast, everyone accepts that, but she was also unimpeachably clean. At that point, Slo decided to retire from athletics all together. And then went to work in a nail bar. So stops training completely. End of. She then returns to athletics and is coached by a coach who has drug allegations placed against him. And within a matter of months breaks world records that haven't been touched for nearly 40 years. There is then a decision made to change how drug testing occurs and she then retires. It's hard to believe that there is at any point nothing of any suspicion there whatsoever. By the way, this is notwithstanding any allegations of incorrect wind readings that day. That is another story altogether but is an issue within the wider story. I'm sorry to say it but she was a cheat who was never caught. Let's all accept that, and move on.
@@ronniejohnson196 How is respectfully stating the facts, trolling or hating? Sounds to me like you just don't know how to react to a truth you don't want to hear, so you fall on the old, simplistic "hater." At least try to be more original. 😩
@@ronniejohnson196 😂🤣😃 You poor dear. I don't think you know what projection is. You only have proved my point. You are unoriginal and can only spout "troll." Really, though, you are the actual troll.
While I love me some Shelly Frazer-Price, I honestly don't think she has the top end speed to break that world record. If we could combine her start with Elaine Thompson's top end then you might have something.
@@cavaleermountaineer3839 which world are you ? Sydney will never run closer to that. *Shericka Jackson* has the ability to run 21.3. While Elaine and Shelly can run 10.49
@@jahdjnr5232 Every time a person do the impossible people like you have not proved it all these years. Talk what you know. She was awesome. How many people out of all these years still dress, and look like her. She was a legend, and you and no one can take that from her. You be blessed.
Doesn't matter a jot what the hell she looked like you fool, she was a doped up cheat and should be scrubbed from athletics history. An athletics disgrace.
2023 World Champion? 2024 Olympic Champion? Will She Break the WR?
It all depends on if we get 2021 Elaine Thompson again, and if Shericka keeps making improvements in the 100m so that they can all keep pushing each other to break that WR!
Elaine Thompson Hera!
Nobody will beat the GOAT
Yeah, no one will break that record this decade. Sorry but true. I’d love to see it go, but not yet. :/
If you look at Flo-Jo’s technique and her height, even she herself never reached her peak. She could have gone faster than the 10.49sec clocking if she stayed and carried on running to improve!
Now Fraser-Pryce’s only deficit is her lack of stride length. She is running as fast as Flo-Jo if not faster in certain parts of the 100 meters (the first 50 meters) but isn’t able to maintain through the top end to the finish line. Flo-jo had mentioned that she needed to improve her start; so you see the difference? If Fraser-Pryce could improve her stride length and speed maintenance from 60 meters to the finish then yes, should would break the World Record (but I doubt that she can just simply because of her lack of stride length. She needs to be a few inches taller)
I really enjoyed looking at the two runners by comparing their times every 10 meters. I didn't think I would ever see this record fall in my life time, but now I have hope it will. Thank you for making this video.
When Flo-Jo broke the world record she took 47.5 strides for the 100 meters. Fraser-Pryce and Thompson-Herah average 50 - 51 strides per 100 metres, which equates to 5 - 7.5 metres at top speed, or 0.45 - 0.7 seconds. On top of this, Flo-Jo's reaction time was also 0.02 seconds faster which is another slight advantage she had. Flo-Jo took 8 steps in her first 10 metres over a period of 2 seconds, she covered the next 30 metres in 3.05 seconds and the final 60 metres in 5.44 seconds. Flo-Jo had a step count of 4 steps per second over the first 10 meters and 4.96 steps per second over the last 90 meters.
To beat Flo-Jo's World Record, the following boxes need to be ticked:
Reaction time of approximately .12 seconds or less
First 10 meters in 1.9 seconds or less - 7.6 steps - 1.32 meters per step
10 meters - 30 meters in 2.1 seconds or less - 10 steps - 2 meters per step
30 meters - 80 meters in 4.55 seconds or less - 21.6 steps - 2.31 meters per step
80 meters - 100 meters in 1.85 seconds or less - 8.8 steps - 2.27 meters per step
A step count averaging 4.5 - 4.8 steps per second which equates to 46.8 - 50 steps over the 100 metres.
Capacity to maintain top speed over the final 70 meters of the race - No slowing down or cruising through the finish line.
This equates to a time of 10.40 seconds over the 100 metres.
Nice!!! Thank You Peace...
A transwoman will destroy this record in no time. 😂😂😂
@@elefunk13 IOW>You seem to think that it will take a>Sheman to beat a Woman! Probably right, yet a unequal comparison. Indeed; As long as Flo Jo's WRs are ran by 100% Females>They will remain until a Female-Woman athlete>Breaks either of the Two. Peace...
U forgot the drug part. But of course, flojo was a saint, wasn't she😊?!
@@crruan1142 What>"drug part"? Do You mean the part where she Never failed a drug test? Moreover; Possibly the part that after 36 Years and counting, there is No Verification of evidence with facts or proof of drug use to this Day, July 26, 2024. More apparent is the fact that You came on this site with that BS Baseless comment! Peace...
Flo Jo's height at 5'7 vs Shelly Ann at 5'0 is the clear difference between the world records. It proves how amazing Shelly Ann is to get so close to Flo Jo's record with a stride length 7 inches less
It doesn't quite translate from height to stride length like that, but I get your point
If you all think Flo Jo won without drugs, you should quit your jobs and start selling refrigerators to Eskimos, I hear there's money to be made
Here are the facts ;
- She has never won an individual gold medal in any event all her career before 1988.
- She was so poor at winning, she left track and went to work in a bank to make ends meet before 1988.
- She returned to track only a little over a year before breaking the record, all doctors and specialists say, there is no way any individual could improve their physique or performance in such leaps in such a short period.
- She actually had a moustache in 1988 and she looked more manly, a byproduct of steroids and testosterone.
- Out of competition drug testing was not available before 1989, therefore, athletes could use drugs during training and get it's effects, before the competition and not get caught when a test was done during competition
- Her best time before 1988 in the 100m was 10.96 in 1987, and before that, she ran 10.99, all her other 100m results were above 11.00, there is no way an athlete in 12 months could reduce a 10.96 to 10.49 without performance enhancement drugs .
- She died from epilepsy, a condition she never had before, 1988, this sickness is heavily associated with people who abuse steroids.
- She suddenly quit track when it was announced that mandatory drug testing would be introduced while athletes were in training and out of competition.
She was no champion, she was drug cheat.
Every single world record holder in track and field, has won events leading up to their record breaking achievements, except Flo Jo
That's much overlooked and at 5'7" she was taller then many other sprinters from her time and even today.
Sha'carri Richardson is 5'1" and the current World Champion 2023 and much smaller then Flo Jo had been.
@@hman2912Just look at Bolt he had been slow at the start but is having great speed at about 60 to 80m. He is very tall too for a sprinter.
@@hman2912 I agree with you. But we can not overlook the fact that both the female and male 100m world champions are both taller than average and not consider the possibility that it's an advantage.
Unfortunately, as we have seen in the case of Thompson Herah, Flo Jo, and Usain Bolt, height is required for better top end speed.
Okay? Unfortunately in her case, being taller hurts her start.
@@mikechivyyes because you have a higher centre of gravity and less power to weight. FGJ was strong enough so that her technique which was supreme to take her through.
Flo Jo was only 1.70 centimeters tall
Or just exert more force
@@ninelives5417meter you mean
Well, the replay clearly shows that Flo-Jo actually increased her stride length towards the end, whereas most modern athletes either keep the same length, or shorten it, thinking that they will go faster if they can push off the ground more often.
Jonathan Edwards used the same technique for his Triple Jump WR, using longer, flatter strides to maintain speed rather than the usual technique of jumping higher to increase distance in the Hop/Stop phases, but doing so reduces your lateral velocity at the Jump stage making it shorter.
Someone else who uses the same technique as Flo-Jo/Edwards .... Usain Bolt.
Oh please stop, it's drugs what did this nothing else.
Yep a do agree it has to be drugs remember this was nearly 40.year ago.. Juiced up to max.. Why retire when u win the gold surely u maintain that drive.. She'd of been caught if she'd carried on simple
ShaCarri increased and her take off improved smh
@@jonathanlegg4308 Proof/Facts?
@@kevinmolloy9134 Is There a Jamaican Crowd on this site?? Asking for a Fan of Flo Jo's...
With Flo Jo's running style, it didn't look like she was trying. Just trotting along. That's what's so captivating.
That is how it is when you are juicied up.
@@donbaxley5530 Not really. There's a lot of juiced up people who run like gorillas.
@@lookinforthe70s have a look at her from the year previous when she had a weak finish and her legs didn't look like they'd come off Ben Johnson
@@snoopythedog3266 I'm saying that whether you do steroids does not automatically make your running style look better.
Yes we get it, y'all want to make the point she did steroids.
I'm specifically talking about, doing steroids does not translate to better running style.
@@lookinforthe70s she had a great style before the peds, she just didn't have that power on the run in
I am not even a professional sprinter but did compete in my younger years. I can tell that Flo Jo last 50m with the drive , knee height and stride length with turnover is the most perfect technique/execution of running i think i have ever seen. It would be near impossible to replicate but if you want to beat her time you will need the exact same finish because i don't think it can get better plus a monstrously good start.
@@noname44748 ofc top track athletes are enhanced but I think it’s ana exaggeration to say you have to put your life at risk. From what I know they use moderate doses compared to strength athletes and it can be done relatively safely
Afraid it had little to do with her perfect technique - hope it was worth it / dead at 38.
Lol, especially if you are juicied up!
@@donbaxley5530 So who here wasnt ????? Tell me who today isnt...
I heard that the mentor 1 2 3 has it right on the head
I'm from the former GDR or East Germany and GDR athletes are still holding some WR. But today we know, almost everybody from that time in the 70s and 80 used PED. So I don't wanna say FloJo used PED but I doubt every record from this ERA. A German female Heptathlon Olympian athlete died in 1987 because she used way too much PED. Tbh, it needs a female Usain Bolt to beat the 10,49.
What happened to the once proud Germanic peoples., the people that crushed 3 Roman legions in the Teutoberg Forest,, Eventually sacking Rome itself centuries later.,,The people that held off the entire world by itself for years alone in Two World Wars,,, Now it’s this passive bunch of people who have no identity anymore wayyy too much Americanization in Germany,, and then you let the Russians have half your country for decades…
What happened to the once proud Germanic peoples., the people that crushed 3 Roman legions in the Teutoberg Forest,, Eventually sacking Rome itself centuries later.,,The people that held off the entire world by itself for years alone in Two World Wars,,, Now it’s this passive bunch of people who have no identity anymore wayyy too much Americanization in Germany,, and then you let the Russians have half your country for decades…Arminius is rolling in his grave.. Same way George Washington is in America
There was a documentary about PED use in the 80's and conclusion was that almost all athletes from USSR, East and West Germany, China and the States were on PEDS. They also mentioned to Birgit Dressel case. I followed track and field since the mid eighties and was a HUUUGE Heike Drechsler fan. Grtz from Belgium.
Professional athletes never stopped using PED's. They just got smarter about it.
Das hat nichts mit der Ära zu tun.
Alle Weltrekorde in diesen Bereichen beruhen auf Doping und ich wünschte mir sehr, die Verantwortlichen und auch die Athleten würden offen dazu stehen.
Dies meisten dieser Sportler werden in ihren Karriere auch einmal erwischt, aber in vielen Ländern wird das mehr oder weniger als Kavaliersdelikt abgetan und nach kurzer Sperre geht's weiter.
FloJo war ein weiblicher Usain, aber trotzdem beruht auch diese Leistung auf Stoff.
Das wirklich Traurige an der Sache ist, daß die normalen Menschen / Zuschauer in allen Sportarten in den gedopt wird, das Gefühl für das natürlich Machbare verlieren.
(Besonders krass ist das z.B. im Bodybuilding.)
Da aber niemand einen wirklich sauberen Spitzensport gewährleisten kann, wäre die einzig praktikable Lösung, das Zeug einfach frei zu geben - dann ist es wenigstens halbwegs fair...
Like someone else said, I think if anyone breaks 10.49, it will be Elaine Thomson-Harah. Not only is her PB 10.54 (wind = +0.9, age = 31), faster than Fraser-Pryce's 10.60 (wind = +1.7, age = 37), Thompson is also six years younger.
Seems like she slowed up this year not even a top contender …it will never be broken
Why hasn't she broken the record yet? What is she waiting on? Christmas?? for Santa to come around. That record has been standing for a long time and it will remain that way
No one can atm. Unless they use drugs
The 10.60 is a false reading .. go to the race and hit stop the moment u see her cross look at the time..
She is much taller then the others too at 168 cm
Flo Jo's stride was immense
It wasn't always like this. It only happened over a 18month period. Strange that.
@@RhetoricalMuseIt is called practice. I'm sure you can't even get out of bed without becoming out of breath.
Shelly will never break it. She's too short which restricts her turn over per meter/feet ratio. Elaine in good health has a better chance because of her height.
Oh! Shelly max out, Shelly can't run faster no more, she can't run 10.5, Shelly will never break the world record, Shelly too old, she too short. Oh! Shelly this, Shelly that but wait mon, don't be surprise when she shock all of you naysayers.
@@damelia6250 Fair enough. Let's just wait and see.
SHELLY Is AN incredible runner
@@damelia6250
And..... that was a bust
@@SylentONEit’s been a bust for everyone though.
No one is breaking that record. Just LOOK at her. The way she's floating in mid air is unbelievable.
The record will be beaten in 2 years!
@@jlfc7455 by who lol
@bigcsbigbrother3685 we live in a world now where lots of men are transitioning. In 2 years that record goes
@jlfc7455 ooooh haha, in that case you could definitely be correct. Strange times we live in that's for sure
@@jlfc7455 Y'all love to create problems. Innocent people are being bombed in Palestine and children are being worked to death and sexually assaulted in Congo so that you can complain from your iphone about individuals you've probably never actually encountered in real life.
Her turnover is amazing, but her stride length due to her height holds her back. This hurts her topend. I don't think she will break it. Bolt is a good example of what I mean. Plenty of people with faster legs, but no one could overcome the stride length. The records are approaching a point now that not only do you have to have the talent/mechanics, but you must also have the best possible body type as well.
Good point as i was constantly watching her stride and wondering how someone shorter could run faster.
@@dahbajanman7044more power
Until someone without that body type breaks the record.
All body types have proven people wrong. There was a time when the 4 minute mile was considered impossible
It is the nature of sports
@@hman2912no 400lb man has ever run a four-minute mile and ever will
Witness Flo Jo's form at the last 50 meters of the race. It's almost as if her feet barely touch the surface. It's almost unexplainable how she gracefully established such a sprint without it appearing that her strides were definitely not heavy. Until another runner perfects the right type of stride with power, Flo Jo's record will still stand. I do believe Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce has an opportunity to break Flo Jo's record if she pushes herself to her upper limits from 70 meters-to-100 meters. It's almost mind boggling how fast Flo Jo was powering through during the last 30 meters. Power combined with a near perfect form toward the end of the race.
Todd Sands - you’ve said it best! Flo Jo’s stride & form is flawless. She used her long legs like Usain Bolt does. She just flew ☮️
@@GaiaCarney Pretty Much!
Shelly-Ann Fraser-Prycе , too fat and too short. IMHO, if she could lose like 10 lbs at least, she could run faster.. Steroids? Regardless, look overweight still.
First thing I noticed was her gazelle-like strides. Especially in the second half of the race. It was like each stride equalled a stride and a half for the other competitors. Long, bounding strides with the same turnover of the others.
In an interview immediately after the race she wasn't even excited, merely pleased. She immediately stated she had run faster. In an interview with her and her husband, an Olympic 110m high hurdler, he stated she held the family record. He said, I wouldn't let any women beat me, when she did, I knew no women could beat her.
To get a realistic estimate of Flo Jo's speed, her relay time of 10.15 should be used.
I spent a week on the same floor at a hotel as Flo-Jo in the early 90's, riding the elevator with her every morning with my young charges. The kids would play around where she was running and were fascinated by her outrageous nails. She was warm, funny and tremendously kind. At the time she talked to me a lot about arm strength in her technique and how having huge arm strength allowed her to increase her leg speed but looking at these clips I am impressed by how her leg extension is so incredible in her stride. I looks as if her feet a literally grabbing the track way out in front of her and reeling in. It was sad era of Olympics where there really was a dark doping underbelly in almost every sport at the time but Flo-Jo was indeed a mind blowing athlete and incredible competitor.
Thanks for this. 💯
Flojo was and will always be my favorite runner. She was the only barbie doll I ever wanted and owned. Too many people think she was dopping..and she was tested constantly..so much so that it could easily be considered a bias. And it should be, because to this day people are under the false belief that she tested positive. That's defamation of character! And the best testing official at the time has openly said repeatedly, she never tested positive!
Other woman are just jealous they can't accomplish what she did. And even regarding the wind arguement for the 100m, she still holds the world record in both the 100 and 200m runs. The same argument can't be applied twice. She was just a godess and a beast. Just natural talent beyond what others can defeat at this point.
@@lonetiger1000 There is little doubt that Flo-Jo got her WR because of doping. At the time of the 1988 olympics, growth hormone or HGH was not an illegal PED in sports and there was no standardized doping test for it. Flo-Jo's post mortem results showed enlarged internal organs including her heart which is a clear sign of HGH abuse. Darrell Robinson also said he had talked about HGH with Flo-Jo and purchased some for her. The olympics only started HGH testing in 2006. Flo-Jo's heavy makeup use was also speculated to cover up acne which is another side effect of anabolic steroids.
Arm strength allowed her to increase her leg speed?
@@lonetiger1000 Well Said And Greatly Appreciated!!!!!
Long legs, wide stride, and she was upright sooner than everyone else, hitting her top speed well before anyone else.
She was juicy as hell.
Just like Bolt. He was just a freak of nature and his strides were beyond that of any other athlete before and after him. Flo-Jo was just built differently.
@@BudSessions She was juicy.
And juiced to the eyballs.
She was juiced up like Ben Johnson was. Simple as that. She had every side effect of doping and died from those.
I was in HS running track when she broke those records. May she rest in peace.
If you look in the background of FloJo's race you see the long jump approach and pit, like a couple minutes before the race and another minute or so after the wind at the long jump was +4 and +5 and FloJo recorded her race at 0.0 (the only event during the whole track meet to register 0) and study was done and it was determined scientifically that the wind was probably at +4 to+5 at the time and that is not even saying anything about PEDs. So unless someone gets a chance in perfect conditions a +1.9 and everything else perfect you are right the odds are pretty long that the record gets broken.
This, exactly.
Well, Elaine Thompson did 10.54 under legal conditions...so can't say it's impossible.
@@grobin3745 Elaine is the only active woman who can break it Shelly is too short and Shericka start is too horrible for the 100m.
If Mboma isn't banned soon, she will shatter both the 100m and 200m records.
DSD Athletes aside: Give a fit Elaine and Shericka some time and watch the magic happen.
The 10.62s of Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce of this year was into a headwind, with +2.0m/s she might have broken the World Record.
I remember the summer of 1988 so clearly and the reason behind that is Flo Jo. Her impact was immeasurable. I hope she’s at peace.
True brother I was a teen by that time here in Africa but I remember her very well she ruled that era in track and field
She’s at peace knowing she was juiced to the gills
@@patrickphokoane641 u have tv-s in africa??....cool
“I hope she’s at peace” - she’s dead 🤦♂️
@@Simon1985_ What do you think “ rest in peace “ stands for? My comment is an abbreviation. I actually find it a touch odd you’ve not heard it used in this way 🤷♂️
Flo Jo's run is just beautiful.Perfection. Nothing else matches it's majestic moment in time.
Your breakdown of the splits was great, as it shows that Flo-Jo isn't even the fastest over the first 60m in the world. However, it was her speed endurance that enabled her to continue her speed over the whole 100m and get the record. And while I know all about the question marks that are over this record, I am perfectly happy to accept it as a valid time, even more so after this break down.
I agree with everything you said.
@@trackgrad08 FACTS!!!!!!!!! And people also like to leave out Flo Jo was literally a 400m runner before who doubled in the 200m who then moved to 100m
Just as Jackson has done and I find it ironic how her times dramatically improved during Olympics for the 100m and now she’s is expected to break the WR over the 200m
If she wasn't American would you still be impressed?
@@jonathonjubb6626 I'm not American, so does your point still remain valid in your mind?
lol gimme a break, her massive roid intake contributed to speed endurance, her body changed unmistakably between the 86 and 1988
I don't know whether she'll break FloJo's record or not. It'd be great if she did. I think she has a decent chance if she has at least another couple of seasons without age or injury catching up with her. However every single human is living on borrowed time, and Shelly is no exception. It's magnificent that she was able to have such a peak season this year, and I hope she's able to continue next year, but each additional year is just icing on a cake.
Great video. One big difference between Flo Jo and Fraser Pryce is their height. I think we often forget to add this factor into the equation. I am not a mathematician, but I would love to see this incorporated. Usain Bolt's height definitely added to his dominance. If a tall runner can turn over as quickly as a shorter runner, the win will always go to the taller runner (given strength and distance traveled per stride). When shorter runners hit their top speed, Usain Bolt and Flo Jo would still be accelerating. Slower starts, yes, but faster finishes.
I think she was heavy on steroids, some type of experimental drug not yet classified and detectable; her muscles was not real, and also her death is highly suspicious; you should also take into account the political motivations in that era of strong ideological struggle between usa and ussr, with reciprocal olympics banning, and the specific coincidence with fake victories coming from obviously doped soviet athletes
The really big difference is SAFP runs clean, while FloJo's times were PEDs driven.
Right i tought about that too.
That's why i find all those bad press against her even more awful.
@@HH-mw4sq You don't know that. Safp is most likely on peds. Athletes and coaches have become expect at beating testing. Which is highly flawed and limited. This is evidenced across most if not all professional sports. A cursory search will highlight this.
@@baronvonhoughton - SAFP is definitely not on PEDs. PED users don't have longevity, and SAFP might be sprinting in her 5th 100m Olympic final next year. Unlike FloJo who was forced to retire from sprinting immediately after the Seoul Olympics.
The wind reading of 0.0 m/s was controversial right from the moment this race was run.
1. The wind reading at the triple jump runway, next to the track, at the same time as this race, was +4.3 m/s, and there were no wind-legal jumps during that entire 2 hour event.
2. Of all of the wind speeds recorded through this day, only two were below 2 m/s, the maximum allows for a record. Most were way above 2 m/s. The race immediately before this one, the second men's 100m semi-final, had a wind of +4.9 m/s.
3. Every runner in this race ran extraordinarily fast other than last-placed Howard, who slowed down. Six of these women progressed to the semi-final the next day and none ran a time remotely close to their time in this quarter final, despite helping winds. Dianne Williams, in second place here, ran 10.88, far faster than her 11.07 run in the 1987 World Championship final and she was much faster here than her next best time in 1988.
4. Look at the flag at 13 seconds in the video, billowing in the direction of the track.
There is no doubt that the anemometer was in error. This race was wind-aided. The record books now include a note acknowledging this.
It's a moral issue: Flo Jo achieved her results through hard training. She didn't need doping. That's the point here.
She changed coaches, she and her husband developed new training methods, which brought the long-awaited success, in addition to the work put in.
A statement from Flo Jo and her husband, Al Joyner:
“I know exactly what people say about me,” she said. "And that's just not true." I don't need to use drugs. If they want, they can come for testing every week of the year. I have nothing to hide." Her husband says all the talk boils down to jealousy. He said his wife's astonishing gains are the result of being "trained as a man." He added: “We bought a $150 leg exerciser and she did leg rolls every night. Over 20 pounds every night to add strength to your legs. She worked 12 hours a day.”
Only those who have nothing to hide say so.
Do 12 hours of leg training a day for months and you'll set the world record.
Period.
There are interviews with her from 1984 where her voice is exactly the same. She always had a deep voice.Her voice is also deep in the training video made in 1994, even though she hasn't competed in years.
Flo Jo's death was caused by an epileptic seizure due to a congenital brain disorder, sadly drowned RIP.
Florence Griffith Joyner retires from the field On February 22, 1989, five months after the Seoul Olympic Games, Florence Griffith Joyner announced her retirement from track and field. When discussing her retirement with Liguori, Florence Griffith Joyner said: "I retired in 1989 because I could no longer train at 100%, the way I used to train. If I can't give it my all, I don't want to give it at all." Florence Griffith Joyner moved on with her life. She became a mother, pursued fashion design and continued to combine sports and style. She even designed the 1990 NBA uniforms for the Indiana Pacers.
After the death of Florence Griffith Joyner, doping allegations against her intensified. Many believed that illegal performance enhancers may have contributed to her death. However, after the autopsy, Dr. Richard Fukumoto, forensic medicine expert, clearly stated that no changes caused by steroids or other doping agents could be detected in her body. "This report allows Florence Griffith Joyner to rest in peace," said Primo Nebiolo, then president of the International Association of Athletics Federations. “Her family has had to endure incredible media attacks, many trying to undermine her legacy without any real evidence. This campaign harmed the entire sport and the anti-doping campaign. I expect more responsible behavior from media representatives in the future. I hope that after this, many members of the athletic world will assure the family of their love and sympathy."
The 100m and 200m world record holder is Flo Jo, these are the facts.
Facts are stubborn things. "Flo Jo was juicing". These are just assumptions. The truth is, no one has ever proven these allegations. So Flo Jo's world records are and will remain official. I don't see anyone who can topple them. Flo Jo achieved her results with the perfect harmony of body, soul and spirit.
Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Florence Griffith Joyner's style and speed brought her international fame, but her Olympic performance was clouded by skepticism. A year after the Games, in 1989, a former American athlete named Darrell Robinson told a European magazine that Florence Griffith Joyner had given her money to buy growth hormones. Florence Griffith Joyner denied the allegations, telling the New York Times, "It's all made up lies about drugs. I'd be crazy to do drugs." In 1998, sports commentator John Feinstein said on NPR's Morning Edition, "The rumors were in Seoul in 1988, and I think the first thing to note is that he never tested positive," he said. "But she became a star late. She was 28 at the time... These rumors will always be there and she's been asked about them throughout her career, which she's always denied." The International Olympic Committee's medical board says it conducted rigorous drug testing on Florence Griffith Joyner during the 1988 Olympics - and it always came back negative. Florence Griffith Joyner spoke to journalist Ann Liguori about the allegations in 1991: "I knew I had never taken drugs, so I didn't let it bother me when people said that. I knew it was something that was in the news," she said. "People were looking for personal things to point at the athletes. Try not to buy it and just focus on what needs to be done and move on."
I know it's hard to accept the fact that Flo Jo is the best in the world, pure. No one has ever proven that it is muddy. That being said, I understand that you are suffering and trying to smear Flo Jo's memory, but that only qualifies you. Your baseless accusations are just trying to reassure me, I am calm because I know the truth about Flo Jo's purity. So you can say anything until you prove that your words are empty. . She is the only woman to hold 2 athletics world records for more than 35 years. I'm sorry you can't understand that there are people in our world who can create admirable acts without any doping.
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The Jamaicans and Flo Jo's American opponents want to erase her official world records. I understand the reason for this: It is hard for them to bear that there was such an excellent athlete who achieved such fantastic results without doping. The envy, jealousy, anger that they may feel because of this becomes palpable to those who can sense it. It's easier for people to make accusations, find excuses, smear someone (Flo Jo) if their goal is not to acknowledge the wonderful achievements of a certain person. Such is human nature...
The anemometer used at the time could not measure the crosswind because it was.
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Wind and dope, unbeatable.
@@jonathanlegg4308 The wind was a side wind not a rear wind!!! Already proven no drugs in her system by a Pathologist!!! She passed every drug test in her life!!!
@michaelgesner2180 Like Hitler, his minions swallowed every order until the end. You are a Flo Jo minion.
Wasn't a side wind, read the article by Dr linthorpe 1995.
You can see flag fully stretched, down the track, at 12s.
The mens triple jump was being contested at the same time, parallel to the track, and most wind readings were 4+.
This is by far the best T&F channel I've ever witnessed.
I would definitely love to see that and i think she has a good chance of doing it. Last year 2 of her races showed that Shelly is capable of running 10.5; In Monaco she ran 10.62 with +0.4 and in Zurich she ran 10.65 wind a headwind of almost 1m/s.
Elaine has ran faster than Shelly, but her inconsistency is what i think will prevent her to break the WR. While Shelly showed that she can run 10.6 in back to back seasons, Elaine couldn't even get close to what she ran last year.
Love this analysis. Elaine’s form is pretty similar to that of Flojo. If she is to be consistent then we are in for a treat.
@@prestonmatthews725 Yes agreed. If she can stay injury free and consistent, she definitely has a chance to break that WR.
@@prestonmatthews725 Flo Jo has only ran sub-11 ten times throughout her career. Elaine doesn't have to be consistent, she just needs to be fast.
All you're talking about is consistency ignoring the fact that Flo Jo was not consistently great in any sense of the word. She literally has only one great season which was 1988, she's only ever ran sub-11 a total of 10 times in comparison to Shelly-Ann's 75 times.
Honestly speaking; I think deep down we all know that Elaine is the only woman right now that has 10.4 in her legs. Shelly's leg stride frequency is arguably the fastest of any woman in history, and she almost pulled her hamstring trying to get in the 10.5 range. Elaine is the best bet of the 100m World Record broken (unless you want to count DSD athletes like Mboma). Elaine doesn't have to run sub-11 a hundred times to break the record all she needs is one great season....if Olympic Elaine is unleashed again in any season; it's curtains for the rest of the world.
Note: I forgot to mention that Elaine has been dealing with achilles and a shoulder injury this season which is why she didn't ran as fast as she could.
@@augustusfreeman4032 Where did you got that tale from she injured her hamstring she didnot just aoar from running multiple races that is in your bias mind only Elaine is capable There is no 10:40 in her legs l am sure you said the same thing about the 200m Shericka will go lower in the 200m Elaine was not injured whenever she looses she make excuses she herself said she was Ok
In the world record run, how did the other athletes do on their times compared to past races? You can say she had the wind advantage, but she smoked the rest of the field. If there was a wind advantage, the whole group would have great times.
That is an eye opener fact!
I read sometime, that some of the other athletes run PB in this race. (I did not checkes if its true)
She's was the only one on drugs.
@@Tom-xh8yj .....When you have no evidence to back your claim and she wasn't caught for doping, then it's unfair to label her a drug cheat. Remember, evidence is key. Propaganda, witch hunting and framing an individual because of suspicious media report help no one. Michael Johnson in his days, despite his staccato running style, lost several races, broke and set records. He wasn't labelled a cheat. It's not a perfect world and the rule is you are innocent until proven guilty. Take good care for now.
I believe the majority of the field had run improved times as well.
No mystery at all. Everyone is fully aware how she did it.
Yes by hard work.
@@sORrYiMLaTe_wHAtdiDiMisS BWAHAHAHA 🤣
Bingo! Glad someone said it. There is NO mystery whatsoever why she did it and died from "natural cause" at age 35 either. Everything is super normal
You'd better shut your mouth!!!
@@dejamesola Good luck with that
Anyone that knows her circumstances surrounding that year and that race, an improvement so profound over just six months, knows theres gonna always be an asterick with that WR.
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I don't see it happening. It's such a shame that the women's 100, 200, 400, 800 and 1500 WRs are still under a cloud after decades. We must never get complacent. A good few years back I can remember rejoicing about the raw natural speed of Marion Jones, and then along came the THG scandal. It's going to take a once in a generation freak to do it and we may have to wait a while. Look where the women's triple jump WR is now as a result of somebody with enormous natural talent, has worked at her technique, eg to make a longer step phase, and BANG: she's out of sight! And she is a freak of nature, just like Bolt and, in swimming, Phelps or the UK's Peaty.
especially the 800
If Mboma isn't banned soon, she's gonna shatter both the 100m and 200m records.
DSD Athletes aside: Give a fit Elaine and Shericka some time and watch the magic happen.
I hope that 100-1500 all go down. 100-800 are all from the roidal era. 1500 also has some question marks, plus I love Kipyegon and hope she can finally do it. She's so close. I think that Athing Mu has a chance at the 800. I think this was an awkward transitional year for her, and she seemed like she was afraid of losing, got sick, etc. She's still only 20. Judging from how she looked in 2021, I think she can get down below Pamela Jelimo's 154.01 if she has a decent year and manages to maximiz her potential, and then she can start going after those crazy 80s records.
The 400m record suddenly looks vulnerable with the news that Sydney McLaughlin will be going after it. Salwa Eid Naser will also be coming back, but we don't know if her 48.11 was PED aided in the first place, or if she'll be able to get back to where she was.
There is no reason for the women's 100 and 200 meters records to be under a cloud. Flo Jo was tested constantly and was found to be clean of all PEDs every time, even after death. Now if you are talking about non women holding women's records that is problem.
@@augustusfreeman4032 I tend to agree about Mboma. When she appeared and it became clear that she was DSD, the apparently arbitrary event limit post Catser Semenya was immediately looking too weak. After all, both sprints favour explosive and sustained power. Maybe the medics should test fro speed endurance advantages over the springs too......
1995 scientific study for the 1,434th time - There is only a 5% chance of the 10.49's wind being lower than +3.5m/s and on average it would most likely have been +5.0m/s.
FGJ wasn't slow though, she ran a 10.61 that was wind-legit so she still had the 1988 -> 2021 WR till ETH got her 10.54
So if SAFP (or ETH) can hit 10.53 or faster that should be the WR.
I don't think SAFP will get to 10.48, nor will she get to 10.53 - She might get 10.59 but that's it, age will creep in, while ETH who is 6 yrs younger should make a comeback and run 10.5x again.
Completely agree with all of this.
Sorry but 10.49 is the record to beat. You can't just go around claiming old records don't count because we think x and y might have been badly measured, otherwise people in the future might start doubting Usain bolt's records for similar reasons.
Sometimes unbelievable things happen.
@@motherofallemails For this particular race you can do this though. It's general knowledge that the Long Jump Pit in the same direction read 4~5 m/s throughout the LJ competition (LJ in the same direction as the 100) & during the same time the wind gauge read 0.0 on the track. It would be one thing if the track gauge had an actual reading, whether it be 2.0, 2.9, 3.5, 5.0, 1.4, etc. However a straight up 0.0 when it felt super windy just shows that it wasn't working.
@@richardgallimore5976 sorry but you can't do that, otherwise in the future people will find their reasons to say various records from our time don't count just like you're doing.
Remember that Flo Jo did not use the modern technology we now have to polish every aspect of her race, otherwise maybe she might have hit a 10.35 or something. Also nobody was even close to her pace to push her to go faster.
Sorry but you just can't go around doing that, it's pretty outrageous actually.
@@motherofallemails We'll have to agree to disagree. 10.54 is the fastest wind-legal time ever run, Elaine TH is the true record holder, SAFP in 2nd at 10.60, & Flo-jo in 3rd in 10.61.
One of the clearest of footings. She is like 3rd or 4th among the US women then suddenly she does this season and then retires. Same with Marita Koch and 400 meters.
She won. Move on
@@DoubleD144cheated. U move on
@@JRSmith-i3u nope. No proof. You're just a conspiracy theorist
@@DoubleD144 she didnt get caught. Many, many mysteries. Modern sprinters dont believe she did it legal. Not sure what ur deal is that u cant admit to circumstantial evidence. A jury would convict quickly. But i would do her regardless
@@DoubleD144 u believe in santa clause too?
The length of Flo-Jo’s stride in the last part of the race, along with her turnover, is otherworldly. No other woman runs like that.
Stride length was unbelievable. With such a stride it's easy to see that her start would not be the best, but there was no way she wasn't running away from the field at the end. Like Secretariat, "ordinary" start, incredible finish. I did not follow her after her career was over. But I just now Googled it and when I found out how she passed, I cried. It 's so damned wrong..
@Art Artek so it pushed her 10.49? You never ran track before obviously 😂😂😂😂
Drugs don't produce this. It was a Beamon-esque day.
Elaine Thompson has great stride length. I think that's the part that's most tricky. Shelly's compact stride + top end speed, vs Elaine's long stride + top end. That said, I don't think Flo Jo's record is carved in stone anymore. One of these ladies, or maybe Sherika Jackson will break it.
@@chuckrosenthal8959 that stride length was a function of her POWER. I'd like to see training videos of her. For comparison they showed Ben Johnson squatting 500lb for 3 reps at a body weight of 188lb.
Bruh. At the rate you keep uploading videos. UA-cam will run out of storage in their database
By far the best channel for track n field.... he's a beast
There is a dude with 2 million videos posted
@@jraykotheanomaly2365 He's the best.
He's awesome, keep the videos coming
Dude look at t-series lmao
I remember watching Flo Jo run as a kid. My whole family was jumping up and yelling “Go Flo Jo, Go!!” Such beauty and grace.
Beauty and grace is so right! She had a hidden heart condition that made her stop running. Never tested positive
You forgot the dope.
and such effective dope
She is dead. She was a cheat. Good riddance.
Horse dope.
I remember watching Flo-Jo on TV the day she did this. Don't cheapen her memory by pulling this record to bits.She was one of the most amazing athletes I have ever seen in 60 years. Still remember the day she died.
Dude, she cheapened it herself. The facts are the facts. It’s all but confirmed she doped. It’s inhuman for an athlete at that level to improve that much in 12 months
@@verstappen9937it has never been confirmed she doped
If she was on dope you gave it to her@@verstappen9937
Wonder how she died? 🤔😄
@@bayly1977 she had an epileptic seizure in her sleep, caused by a congenital cerebreal cavernous hemangioma.
Interesting that many people are not questioning the dramatic improvement that Flo-jo made between the 1987 world championships and the 1988 US trials and the Olympics. She finished second in the 1987 200m barely getting under 22 secs (2.96) and was barely getting under 11secs for the 100. Suddenly, less than 10 months later she shows all muscular and blazing the 100 in 10.49 and then 21.34 to win gold in Korea. Unheard of improvements for a 28 year old sprinter. I put it to you that she took a page from Ben Johnson and his surprising success in 1987 and started using steroids in prep for the upcoming Olympics. don't forget that back then athletes were only being tested during competitions so all they had to do is to stop using 3 weeks before the event thus avoiding discovery. Ben Johnson was busted because he did not follow the system his coach Charlie Francis had for him. As Ben was concerned about his injury earlier in the season and felt he needed more help went to see a doctor who claimed he knew how to mask the steroids. He didn't.
Ya'll used roids and STILL lost. Stop complaining. She won. It's done.
Even with drugs, that’s an amazing time!
I’m 46 and Athletics was my first love. I’ve been obsessed with this record for 30+ years (and the 200) and desperately need someone to break it so we can move on once and for all. So many modern day sprinters admit they don’t even consider it a world record as it wasn’t clean. They know. Jackson seems in the driving seat 🙏🏻
She definitely was on roids in 88 Olympics. Look at her PB’s before and after. Nowhere close. All of the other female sprinters at the time knew it. Look at what the great Evelyn Ashford has said about it
It doesn´t matter. The average joe will praise these people over and over again even if they´ve been convicted drug abuseres. Human beings are a product of their genetic dispostion and the right training. The rest comes with performance enhancing drugs and growth hormones. The average joe lives his or hers day to day live thinking they´ll become equally as sucessful and famous until the bubble burst and they´ll realise, nope. In the meantime they compensate their own pointless existence and follow these cheaters steps. Every major athletce has been convicted of using forbidden substances. Those who haven´t, well, ask why - not that they didn´t use anything. Only a deluded fool would say otherwise - for the mentioned reasons.
People need heros to reevalute themselfs. Every form of criticsm against that concept lets their fragile egos crumble. In today narcistic - sick soceity even more than ever before. @@corrieroozee6479
If Shelly or Elaine are to break this record it will require near perfect weather conditions plus a increase in their speed endurance but I fear it may too late in Shelly’s career for such improvement.
Not saying she can break it or not, but Shelly has the best chance of breaking the record currently.
Shelly-Ann is already a great; for her longevity, consistency and beautiful technique. Unfortunately, she's physically a tad too small to take the record from the unique Flo-Jo, who has been unfairly vilified ever since. Flo-Jo's technique is what made her fast, not wind or substances and she competed in a games where drug cheats were being caught en mass. She remained clean. That's irrelevant. It's no coincidence that Elaine and Shelly-Ann both study Flo-Jo's running technique and seek to draw from it. Drugs don't give you technique. Give it up .....
@@SearchBucket2 they weren't testing like that until just before she retired. Go look it up.
@@trackgrad08 Out of season no, but Ben Johnson and many others tested positive for steroids at that games. Your claim is a non sequitur btw.
It's clear technique was the secret of Flo-Jo's speed, not "muscles". That's why she was called "Flo Jo". The modern top women sprinters try to copy her. You can gripe all you like, there is NO evidence she won by anything other than fair means. Contemporary athletes don't have a right of way to hold records. Sometimes the best have been and gone. The men's high jump and triple jump records are "ancient". Going forward more and more records will stand unmatched. I don't need to look it up, I watched and followed athletics and those games live. Get over it ...
Shelly? ETH already came the closest with 10.54, however I think Tina Clayton will break it and Mboma will break the 200m record.
We Jamaicans have no doubt whatsoever that SFP can and will smash that world record because she has all that it takes. We stand with you pocket rocket. #OneLove🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
I Love SFP, and believe it or not her leg speed is faster in certain parts of the 100 meter race than Flo-Jo’s. What Flo-jo has over SFP is excellent technique through relaxation and maintenance of speed at the top end. Flo-Jo’s advantage is the ability to run her own race throughout the 100m distance without focusing on the other competitors. The other difference is her height which produces the stride length which SFP unfortunately doesn’t have (now Elaine has the height that’s why with good technique plus the relaxation she came close to equalling the record but she’s then she’s inconsistent! But time will tell)
I love Shelly and will never doubt her but she and Elaine will have to fight it out. Elaine’s form is pretty close to that of Flo so it’s up for debate.
My non-Jamaican self will happily behind her country persons if allowed. I’m here for the greatness in athleticism and will not let my birthplace keep me from fully appreciating her talent. Break that record!
@@prestonmatthews725 Let’s not put too much pressure on poor SFP & Elaine T. The world is full of wonders and no one knows exactly what’s around the corner!! For all we know, there’s another Flo-jo (even better) brewing out of sight who will be unexpectedly faster, more dashing, a real fabulously good-looking Avatar-like Female athlete and more of a phenomenon than all these girls who are dominating now (who can predict the signs of the times??) Let’s face it Elaine & SFP are amazing athletes but they don’t have that ‘Show-stopping’ Star Quality that Flo-jo had (just by appearance) and the World needs to see that!! It’s been too long.
@@kojoharrison630 Flo Jo wasn't consistently great either before 1988 her PB was 10.49, Elaine doesn't have to be consistent she just has to be fast.
anyone who has seen before and after pics of flojo, as well as the unnatural leaps in her speed, knows exactly how she did it
The way FloJo just glided through the last 50 looks like something from a dream.
impeccable technique
More like something wind aided. No way the wind was zero at that time of the year.
@@Headonwriter I think it is likely the wind gauge malfunctioned. However, her form and power is still sublime. Her opponents were world class and had the same wind conditions and were still walked. She still would have set the record in this race. And yes I am aware of the ped allegations, too.
@@Headonwriter If that race was wind aided then the other 7 women must have all ran a personal best time too. And if not then how was she able to benefit from the wind and her competition did not? The 2022 USATF Championships 100m finals was wind aided and it was said that all of them ran under 11 seconds. Now that's evidence of a race being wind aided.
@@Headonwriter So you are saying and deducing that the “Wind” that aided Flo-jo was miraculously only blowing in her Lane and that wind was hell-bent on following only her and pushing ‘She Alone’ in her Lane to that Fabulous World Record?? Let’s shift our focus to Seoul Olympics also in 1988 when she broke the 200meters World Record (21.34sec). She run the last 100meters in under 10 seconds and there was no issue or debate about ‘Some Weird Wind’ blowing behind only in her lane to push her!! So that performance alone was evidence that her 100 meters World Record is Legitimate. Flo-jo had actually planned to continue running and improve her start which she thought needed some work for the next season however endorsements and business deals worth Millions of $$$ particularly international ones that took her away from home (USA) to places like Japan then eventually caused her to decide to retire because she wasn’t finding the time any longer to train, let alone harder to improve on her World Record!! At that point she said she felt she had done it all and there was nothing more to prove!
I believe the technology of breaking down the race to determine what areas need improvement I guess is such that Shelly has within her reach the knowledge of how to achieve world record status. The question is whether or not she has enough time left for her body to continue to perform at such a level.
Flo Jo didn't even have a drive phase so there's nothing that Elaine or anybody else can do to break it unless they cheat.
@@ronald8792 WHAT WAS THE WIND SPEED?
@@wildoutrudeboy 2 mph coming directly at her.
Knowing what needs improvement doesn't mean you CAN improve or everybody would be breaking a world record.
@@aldopedroso6212 Well said Aldo
I like the constant allegations of drug use about FloJo but nothing is mentioned about Frazier’s impossible speed elevation in her mid 30s. It’s laughable to think these athletes are drug free.
Testing is far better now than 40 years ago, ofc we're gonna trust being drug free in this era vs flojo
She’s using performance engineering drugs.
Didn't even have out of competition testing then. When it was implemented she retired promptly
Agreed but that's not the question here
FloJo cheated - "but so do other people"
There is only one Flo jo .. Period ...❤
She was juiced
@@michaeledwards1193nah, she was just talented lil bro
@@michaeledwards1193cope
Talented and juiced to the gills.
drugs, wind reading or whatever you wanna call it, Flo jo was MOVING!!!!! and that technique was textbook like
All of the above helped
horse dope is very effective
It's interesting that her fellow athletes had a few things to say about that record. I am going along the lines of Ben Johnson and what was discovered about him later on.
She was tested numerous times
@@TotalLoveformusic The East Germans proved it was an era where it was easy to get away with cheating. No question in my mind that she was a cheat, given the chain of events.
Not only was she using PEDs ( verified by the teammate who sold it to her and Carl Lewis) but that wind reading was ridiculous. You can see the flags blowing like crazy and the reading is 0? The other races that day were wind aided but miraculously the wind disappeared for FloJo? No one goes from bank teller/ hair stylist to buff world record holder without some "medication". Her husband was also a confirmed PED user. Too many coincidences not to declare her guilty of steroid use.
Evidence?🤔
@@lalib.53 there is none, just as there was none with East Germans who later admitted to mass doping that they know would be undetected.
Join the dots…it’s no coincidence she improved so dramatically in a way no athlete in history has done at that time of her career, in an era rife with doping, and her sister-in-law, using the same coach, also so happens to have drastically improved and suddenly posted times snd records that have been untouchable for 35 years, which, again, is unheard of.
Best statisticians in the world have Elaine at 6.87/3.67 in 10.54 (PJ Vazel, LR Jeffrey, and Speed Analysis Channel).. Shelly 6.81 in Doha rather than 6.82.. and 3.79 60-100m is her fastest from Lausanne 10.60.. Athletefirst has been a great database but there are many errors there and inclusion of USATF splits which are pretty much denounced
Thank you for this comment. I looked throughout the website for sources and they did cite PJ as well as Brüggemann from the 90's, Ferro from the early 2000's, and Takashi from the 2010's, but there was never any mention of sources being measured incorrectly. It's very dense information with certain races having different and sometimes "better" measuring equipment than others it appears, so I'll make sure to mention all of that in the description. Thanks for the information and thanks for watching
@@TotalRunningProductions I enjoy the videos. You can only go on the data you find of course.
SUCH A CHEAT!!! Listen, these were her best times throughout the years:
1984:
100 Meters: 10.99 seconds
Event: Olympic Trials, Los Angeles
1985:
100 Meters: 11.00 seconds
Event: Zurich
1986:
100 Meters: 10.96 seconds
Event: Goodwill Games, Moscow
1987:
100 Meters: 10.96 seconds
Event: World Championships, Rome
1988:
100 Meters: 10.49 seconds
Event: U.S. Olympic Trials, Indianapolis
200 Meters: 21.34 seconds
Event: Seoul Olympics
As you can see, she spent 4 years running at the same speed. No improvement whatsoever, and then out of the blue, BOOM, she becomes the fastest sprinter ever with a leap of HALF A SECOND on her personal best. No human being has ever made that kind of improvement in any sports ever.
That was the year, where in the men’s final 7 athletes were eventually caught cheating. The beginning of the Big doping era.
This Dramatic Improvement in Performance: Florence Griffith Joyner's significant improvement in her sprinting times between 1984 and 1988, including setting world records in the 100m and 200m, led to speculation. Her 1988 100m world record of 10.49 seconds remains unbeaten.
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Physical Appearance: Observers noted her muscular physique and physical transformation, which some attributed to potential drug use. This was part of the basis for suspicion.
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Association with Al Joyner and Bob Kersee: Her husband, Al Joyner, and her coach, Bob Kersee, were both associated with top athletes, some of whom faced doping allegations, raising further questions about her training environment.
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Untimely Death: Griffith Joyner died in 1998 at the age of 38 due to an epileptic seizure. Some speculated that her early death was linked to possible long-term effects of performance-enhancing drugs, although no medical evidence supports this theory.
You may have decided that you cherish her because she was pretty, or black or a woman, or sweet or funny. But if you aren’t biased, you will find it very hard to justify her struggling to be someone in the sport for years to suddenly becoming a legend to retiring all within a year and half.
She cheated and got away with it.
Sure, this is plain obvious, the improvement from 1987 to '88 was just beyond plausible. In her case excessive drug consumption may have contributed to her early death. Same for Michael Johnson who had a stroke a few years ago. I never trusted him.
@@bernios3446 I dont think that Michael Johnson was clean but saying he has a stroke because of his doping is ludicrous.
During this period HGH was unknown and not tested for at this time , high level of using HGH has proven to cause seizures, depression, and weakness of brain vessels aka strokes . She also retired as soon as usada was going to start doing un schedule random drugs tests and hgh will be tested for she retired as soon as this was announced within days
Absolutely agree.
In terms of Shelly-Ann, let us also remember, that a fair number of women have come back from pregnancy or child-birth to actually better their performances.
Elaine had a Carmelita Jeter moment, when she ran that wonderful 100m at the Olympics. But, that might be as good as it gets. Shelly-Ann doesn't have the finish. Hence why she can't dominate the 200m. If she cannot gain the necessary 'after-burners', in the last 50m of the 100m, Flo-Jo's record will remain.
Final point (and this is important). Nutritional, and training methods have improved drastically, over the last 34 years. Our athletics tracks are better. in fact they allow you to run a tad faster. And then, we have the new footwear technology, that has helped Shelly-Ann and Elaine record huge times over the past year or so. So, there are no excuses.
Give Flo-Jo her due respect.
Yes! And absolutely right.
@Phil Jermakian You make such a strong point. Your take didn't come across my mind on what you mention. And I definitely have to agree with you. Today's social media platform and other stuff today can definitely play a factor in anything we do today. The 1980's still had their challenges. I didn't enjoy the 1980's from a work perspective. But from a family and friends' perspective, I definitely enjoyed the 1980's a lot more than the 2010's and definitely more than this decade so far.
Guvine yu need to crawl back under the rock u come outah show some respect wey yu a go sayfool when Dr. Shelly Ann run 10:46 get ur apology ready
Foil what foot where help any one run faster dout believe every sales pitch u hear like every one touting lobran James and piping say he would pick Jordan over him every day so stop the media hype and stick to fact of the matter Kevin doesn't is a much better player yet all a u in the Jane hype stick to the fact onDr. Shelly Ann
It was the transformation on her strength and speed over a short period of time later on her career that was the most deeply, deeply suspicious thing.
I and many others believe she was juiced. It matters not. She died many years ago.
Was her stride always the same as the 10.49 race? That stride us a critical part of the why.
She came out of relative middle-of-the-pack status, suddenly exploded in 1988 shattering records in a sport where records are normally moved in microscopic increments, with preternatural muscularity, then faded quickly and died young. Hmmm. "How could that have happened." Pretty much only one explanation.
Only if you believe that no elite sprinter has ever taken PEDs, since. Otherwise, the record would have been broken long before now, especially given all the other advancements in equipment, track surfacing, training, nutrition etc.
@@petewest3122 the mid-late 1980's, into the 1990's (plus or minus), was sort of the heyday of PED's. Balco and its peers were one-step-aheading testing technology. Athletes faced a "use or die" environment. Lance Armstrong is possibly the highest profile example. Records in the 100m don't get shattered like FloJo shattered them. Simply doesn't happen. Unless there is some non-human element to the performance, such as PEDs.
@@TheZipeedoo Usain Bolt took 0.16s off the previous 100m world record in the space of 1 year. And there's no comparison between 2009 men's and 1988 women's 100m in terms of over all competitiveness and standard.
@@petewest3122 FloJo's record was nearly 1/2 second faster than her previous PR. She retired from running on the eve of the institution of mandatory random testing in track & field.
@@TheZipeedoo 0.4s is a massive PR, no doubt. Sometimes everything just comes together for an athlete. Just look at Bob Beaman or Kevin Young.
I'm not saying that Flojo was 100% natural, only that steroids weren't the definitive factor in her WR. Even after 34 years, no one has matched Flojo's near flawless running technique, and that's something that doesn't come from taking PEDs.
It's like when Jonathon Edwards jumped 18.29m. He wasn't the most powerfully built jumper, but on that day he achieved near perfection in energy transferal. Flojo achieved something similar on the track.
Pause at 0:44 and look at the positions they have. She is already in running form while the others are in lower starting form.
Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce is 36, that's just crazy and unbelievable to be that competitive in this sport at that age.
I want her to break that record, but at the same time I also don't want Flo-Jo's record to be broken.
It's not possible. Even if she had the capacity, she is past her peak.
Flo-Jo has the greatest kick of a female runner ever! I think their height differential is the big key!
All that anavar and winstrol kicked in
Oh sure.... you mean to be "high", right?🤣 Flo Jo was a full junkie freak. Her liver just blew up... she even had a moustache already...
@@paulobastos1774 her face look like a bodybuilder on the juice; notice she is never mentioned by any of the sports entertainers, her record is untouchable and we all know why: they gave her a free pass, because at the time we were in a Cold War with Russia and we did not want to come off as cheaters like the East Germans , so they allowed her to go off in the sunset quietly
The drugs were the key, 5-7 isn't tall.
@@aldopedroso6212 everyone forgets she was juiced to the gills . She failed a drug test but never had it public cause the attorneys fought it, she came back the next year and looked like a shadow of herself , America is scared to challenge her record and take it down cause of being labeled “racists”
There's no mystery, she was a top athlete who in all likelihood juiced up throughout her career.
Marion Jones was juiced to the gills and wasn't even close. She'd have lost by a few steps. Flo jo's form was epic.
100% juiced @@cambell-yi2gh
Not throughout her career. Just for her last two seasons. That was when her body shape and even her face changed. That was also when her times suddenly became world beating. It was not subtle.
with big clit and mustache as evidence.with east germans 100 % juiced up,how good was she or how bad they were if jo did not juice up?
and more,she died quite from heart failure most often caused by excessive steroid use.
This was such a great video. Have you done one on "wind"? I'd love to learn about all the things about running and wind.
The tracks are faster today. Footwear has also improved. Nevertheless FloJo's technique especially in the second 50m, stands apart. It will take an extraordinary effort to surpass her record.
And a solid dose of steroids. Disgraceful and the record should have been nullified. No pride in cheeting.
@@richardsmith4783 Was never any proof. You can't just take steroids over a short period of time and smash a world record. Koch and the East Germans were on years of state sponsored doping. And if anything women sprinters are even more muscular today.
@@Fontsman she died in her 30s frim a heart attack...and look at her physique changes....even in todays times she would be regarded as exceptionally muscular...in the 80s it was almost unheard of. Look at ben johnsons physique..like a body builder. Of course the east germans..russians..and all eastern block countries had their doping going on and those records should also be expunged. I just hope it doesnt surface that Bolt was a cheat as well.
@@richardsmith4783 She had an epileptic seizure and died. There was history of it. There was a full autopsy. Nothing was ever found.
There's better training and more knowledge today.
Would be interesting to break down the other athlete's performances in Flo-Jo's record race. Were there any huge PRs? If the wind really was +4.0 m/s or even higher you'd expect some of the field to run the fastest race of their career or to atleast PR.
Agree
Agree why didn’t the video compare other runners in Jo’s race. There is no evidence she was a cheat other than envy.
Actually thats what happened. Most of the athletes made PRs that day because of the wind: www.brunel.ac.uk/~spstnpl/Publications/IAAFReport(Linthorne).pdf
@@ochoymedio78 Name them and the amounts in her heat, beside that a lot of people set PB's and PR's at the Olympic Trials they train all year to peak at that meet.
@@phoebus Don;t be lazy, Page 47. The runners of quaters I and II did ALL PERSONAL BESTS for that year 1988 (Olympic year). That means they ALL outperformed their times of semis and finals. ALL. And most did their PR, like Williams 10.86, Echols 10.83 and Brown 10.92. Do you want to be right or get some knowledge?
Read the paper, is fascinating and conclusive.
She was so dang fast. I had a picture of her in my locker back in the late 80s. She was amazing to watch.
I remember when I saw her run that race, it was amazin how she just ran away from the rest of these women. The last 40 meters was like she was on overdrive or something she was moving so fast.😄 Some men can't run that fast, FloJo was incredible.
so you like doping. shame on you!!!
@@holgerpetersen445 😂😆 whatever man. I was like 15 years old at the time. 😁
@@holgerpetersen445 Back then it wasn't considered doping, man, nowadays it is, yeah. But Flo Jo probably just thought she was taking something that made her body healthier, she and others had No Clue of how dangerous Peds were.
@@holgerpetersen445 So You Like making Accusations and Judging Without>Facts Or Proof>Shame On You!!!!! Very Sad and Pathetic.
First, she never tested positive. Second, I am so sick and tired of people defaming her name. Flo Jo was a world class athlete. Her build didn't change much at all.
Bro if u think athletes are clean because they cheated these lame ass tests then you are delisional and you literally have zero knowledge about the sport.
Testing negative in the 80's were easy as hell. It was literally just Americans and Soviets throwing drugged up superhumans into the Olympics having their dope cocktail cocked up in labs.
Her musculur definition changed entirely within like 6 months and she died at at a young age. She was doped to all hell 😂😂😂
@@VG_164 Shacarri not far from her. Look how her body changed since texas or lsu. We dont have women looking like that in europe. Only a few countries are able to produce such monstrosities
You hear it because it is the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts, especially when it is someone you admire. A negative test, back when she ran, was easy as pie to have. She retired right before 1989 when the hardcore testing with better detection, began.
I remember the Olympics before her times exploded she was just an also-ran-she had been training for many years at that stage-how do you think she found such an astonishing improvement ?
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@@troy8613Evidence?👀
@@lalib.53 Read what the post above says. That's the evidence. You don't suddenly go from also-ran to un-breakable world record in 6 months.
Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce is saying the exact same thing that Florence Griffith Joyner said in her interviews when asked what was the secret to running so fast ? Along with proper running form she would always say relaxation is the key.
yeah and PEDS.
@@xpat73 only the clueless to proper sprinting mechanics and relaxation speak as you do. 🤔
I'm beginning to suspect that "relaxation" is a euphemism for drugs. There's basically no way that a sprinter can go even faster after 65 metres than they did at 40-60m. It's very hard to maintain top speed as muscles get tired... Unless you're on drugs.
@@tazaman2009 Are you saying she was clean lol?
@@xpat73 yes I'm saying she was clean. You'd have to be blind to look at her sprinting form compared to the other women in the race and not see Florence Griffith-Joyner's sprinting mechanics are far superior then her competitors.
Flo Jo had such a beautiful technique.
drugs
The float and stride length between 70m and 90m is out of this world
In Flo's own words she "went for it."
I've got minimal knowledge on sprinting and the history of it, but Flojo's incredible top speed seems to be coming from her long strides and endurance - similar to Usain Bolt. I think Shelly-Ann is at a serious disadvantage just due to the height difference. But for a top level athlete to be winning events and somehow STILL be improving just proves there are still adjustments to be made. It's fun to watch them compete
To add to your minimal knowledge, the incredible speed comes from drugs which give her "long stride and incredible endurance."
Jeremy king put some respect on her name it's Dr Shelly Ann u mumah never tech u if u naw nothing good fi say shut yu Mouth Bway
You think the worlds fastest woman is at a major disadvantage physically? Man, people are stupid.
Give someone 3 meter long legs and see how fast they start. Swings and roundabout you mongaloid.....thousands of factors come into play and you have diluted it down to height. # go home
@@aldopedroso6212and a greatly reduced lifespan.
@@aldopedroso6212 It depends on the drugs. Drugs that will enhance an athletes strength and power (which contributes to an increase in stride length), would/could not increase anaerobic endurance as well. Those are the two different types of drugs.
I ran a 12.5 100m. Iwas able to get my time down to 10.6 without peds! I did it by weight traing, playing basketball, and football while on the college track team. It all has to do with conditioning, stretching, and body weight. I'm 6-1 and weighed 167lbs ripped!
Your testimony shows the huge difference between men and women in sports and why it would be unfair to let men compete as women.
That's a fantastic improvement--- All the best to you....
Lol sounds like your making that up
Not at all! I had an elite coach! I was also challenged on a daily basis by neighborhood boys, because I was on the college track team.@@a1mi551
Wow, you were really fast! What were your lifting records?
I think Shelly will get the record. Let's just all push that positive energy forward. She has the right progress and the right plan. All that is left is the completion of the act.
Elaine Thompson will be the one that’s most likely to break it…
@@knucklesaukuso5086 -- I just hope someone breaks it. Records are meant to be broken. Broken records also show progress in the human race.
We continue to get bigger, faster, and stronger.
It is time for this record to go down.
Flo Jo was too amazing. I know there was a lot of controversy with that record but there was no controversy with her 200 record that still stands. So, the conclusion is she was well well ahead of her time, but it is time to surpass her.
Course shelly should be true champion cause flo jo tek nuff juice 🥤 big up Jamaica 🇯🇲 run fast and run clean.
@@davidmorgan7524 Save It. Too Many Negative Vibes From Jamaica Toward Flo Jo Since She Set The World Records. As You Sow So Shall You Reap.
@@ronniejohnson196 don't hate us jamaicans congratulate. Yu no seh flo jo did dead pon drugs dats why she soon retire after she set dem records fraid fi get catch. Out of many one people.🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿😁😁😁
I just saw something that explains her time. At around 50 meters FloJo's stride lengthened until the 85 meter mark then shortened to the finish. That's what kept her speed even.
Drugs
@@JRSmith-i3u Already proven no drugs in her system by a Pathologist!!! She passed every drug test in her life!!!
@@JRSmith-i3u Everyone on drugs. She was just better than others( assuming everyone used drugs or at least top 5 females)
@michaelgesner2180 garbage you must also vote for the Democrats.
She has alot of vertical lift in those strides. Which means a greater stride length and better speed maintenance. The key is in her technique.
10.47 will be her record, but it won’t last long because one of her Jamaican teammates will break it within 5 years of her breaking it.
As great as Shelly is she's not getting anywhere near that at this stage in her career
Running 10:60 or faster is so rare, that it's possible that the woman to break Flo Jo's record hasn't been born yet.
correct!! a mathematical statistical azimtote... the number will exceed the number of people on earth ...8 billion...
What a lot of people forget is that Flo-Jo didn't just run that one super fast time as a fluke. She ran under 10.7 no less than seven times in 1988. No other athlete has ever done that either. Was the 10.49 wind assisted? Quite probably. But she was always going to set a time no one else was anywhere near. Take that wind assistance away and she's still in the 10.5s comfortably. It took until 2021 before someone even got close. Amazing stuff.
Um....you do know that Shelly-Ann has ran under 10.7 seven times this season.
Another question is did she use steroids? Because if she did that just takes al credit away regardless.
She was also very clearly on the juice. That is the bigger aid
@@InTrancedState :
*The same can be said of Shelly Ann without any proof other than what she is doing at an advanced track age.*
You cant juice up THAT much nowadays, more testing, especially in europe and bigger events.. but they surely have more anvanced ways today on the other hand..
I can never understand how people can't fathom Flo Jo's records but we have Usain Bolt who set an even more untouchable record. Like the women are way closer to Flo Jo than the men are to ever catching Usain lol.
The difference is that Usain Bolt's progression as a sprinter was very believable and he had a much stricter testing regimen which would have made cheating more difficult. In contrast, Flo-Jo improved her time by half a second at the age of 28, and she trained under a coach who is widely rumored to dope his athletes, but seems to know how to avoid getting caught. In Flo-Jo's time, it was possible to stop taking PEDs before the races to avoid detection, but Usain would have gotten caught if he had tried that.
Bolt is dirty too.
@@amosbatto3051Sprinters can absolutely improve their PB in their late 20's or even their early 30's. It's uncommon, as you're not in your physical prime anymore (as far as speed goes), but it's possible. Adapting one's technique can really go a long way.
In 1988 Flo-Jo was stuffed with doping, but the IOC focused on Ben Johnson, and didn't want another scandal involving the most popular sporter of the Games. Therefore they let her go. Those cable-muscles, her voice, and her 'superhuman' performance gave her away nevertheless.
You were there and I suppose you were part of the IOC too so you are speaking FACTUALLY, Right???
Ben was the stuttering Jamaican born Canadian who was the easy target to pin the whole doping scandal on.
@@davissinclair4945 Ben Johnson was born in Jamaica, immigrated to Canada as a teenager and became a naturalised citizen. The Canadians made for an easy patsy, for sure.
Facts
As a Jamaican, the one thing I see Flo Jo and Usain Bolt have in common is HEIGHT ..that to me helps with a much longer stride than say of SFP 5ft stature. That's why I think what SFP has accomplished to date is remarkable.
In swimming the rule is the rule is maximum speed is proportional to the square root of height.
@WendyPendy26 FloJo wasnt tall
@@christiansoldier77 just so you know the average height for a female sprinter is 5ft 2 to 5ft 5. Flo Jo was 5ft 7. Not tall by your standards but by sprinting standards
@@WendyPendy26 the average height for a woman is 5'4" so no way is the average track star below that height so 5' 7" is not unusual
Off course is hard to beat Flo Jo 1988 records , since 1989, growth hormone can be detected in anti-doping tests. , coincidentally, he retired from professional competition a month before the tests began.
Exactly.
He 😅
Y’all are sad
HE?? You can't ever get a beautiful woman like Flo Jo....then again you probably don't like black women......
Agree with that but answer this question Olympic drug screening and samples are saved pretty sure even back then and a food amount of medals were over turned from future testing so was her sample ever retested just asking say what you want she has an almost perfect stride if you was to pit a perfect computerized run overlapped on her run it would be close to identical. Pretty sure in thay aspect as well. I'm not making definite staments just more curious as to what people say about these statements
I hope she breaks the record. She is such a good person on and off the track. Shelly deserves the record.
Pretty much every WR still standing from the 1980s needs to be expunged
Why?
@@niradnagrom2356 drugs son
I would agree with the WR set by the athletes from Eastern Europe, particularly East Germany, as even retired athletes from that country have stated that various stimulants were used to improve performances and not just in athletics.
@@kurman4749 Plenty of doping went on the West also. The 1984 Olympics are well known to have been a complete joke with widescale cover up by the US labs.
Can't wait till the future kids take all our records like this. 😂
As a former track athlete I had a coach who met Flojo on 2-3 occasions. Her drug use was basically an open secret. He told me she was having to conceal facial hair with a lot of makeup and that her features were becoming more masculine over time. It’s a shame to have this BS record and to have robbed Evelyn Ashford of gold.
You're absolutely right
To anyone who thinks it was real I've got 5 acres for sale in middle of Manhattan as well.
BOOM-thank you for speaking facts.
Thanks for speaking the truth. So tired of all this make believe nonsense that's been going on for over 33 years. No one has a problem vilifying Ben- but FloJo is unassailable.
RJ H:
*As a former track athlete, do you have your personal first-hand eyewitness facts you want to share and not what your coach assumed or speculated? If Flo Jo's "drug use was an open secret," why did she not fail any of the often vigorous drug testing she was subjected to more than any athlete of that time while others failed their drug tests and got caught? When people don't want to believe something, they see and hear what they want.*
*Question, was your coach a first-hand eyewitness or just another person who heard what someone else said, who heard what someone else heard and said, all hearsay started by someone else? Rumors have a way of taking on their own life once it has been started by someone else. And you are here telling the public of what someone may or may not have said or heard what someone heard or said.*
*But don''t worry, you will have willing believers of what you just typed as fact, because this is how things go, and these people who have just read what you typed will repeat it many times again and then the info in your comment will will carry a sense of legitimate facts of its own because to them, you just provided actual historical fact.* THIS IS HOW THE WORLD OF RUMORS AND INNUEDO GO'S!
The anemometer wasn't functioning for whatever reason. It didn't register any wind speed. It was 0.0, yet other readings at that time showed a wind outside the legal limit. She was aided by wind. It would not have counted as a world record. She never again matched or even came close to matching 10.49. Despite having passed rigorous drug testing, I strongly believe she was doing something to give herself a significant competitive advantage. It was likely something illegal that went undetected. What raises more suspicion is she retired shortly before random drug testing became mandatory at only age 28.
I wonder if her drugs had something to do with her seizures??
Pryce is using her usual explosive start, musculature and turnover to get near Flo-Jo. Totally different race styles, which is why it'll be very difficult for her to catch it. At least she's trying to catch the goddess. I recall previous Jamaican sprinters saying they didn't even consider FloJo's times to be real.
I would love to see it but watching FloJo's performance, it looks impossible.
Masking drugs hid the real reason for Flo Jo's improvement. Just as Ben Johnson got caught using masking agents, Flo Jo Bailed out of athletics. I remember when both Ben Johnson and Flo Jo were average sprinters. There improvement to the top defied normal progression.
Evelyn Ashford ran down drugged up East Germans and beat them, she was the real star.
Evelyn Ashford was a true sprinting queen.
This video is a year old. Today, we know Shelly Ann Price could not get the GOAT. FLO JO is unbeatable.
Flo-Jo’s run was comparable to Bob Beamin’s WR long jump. Everything came together at one moment for an incredible display of skill, form, and athletic performance. People need to stop being so suspicious about her run. There is NO *after her WR!
nah, everyone in track knows she was doping-next youll be telling me Santa Claus is real. All the womens records from 100m - 800m are held by obviously doped performances.
Her race was the only one where the wind meter that read 0.... not possible. It was 1988 the pinnicle of beating the test for PED's. Im an American track fan and more specifically a womens track fan. AS much as I want to believe there are no reasons to doubt her performance. She had been pretty good before the PEDs but after she move up in the rankings in a spectacular way. Then on this day, the faulty wind gauge. And in no time, she dies as does many who abuses PED's. Even Lance Armstrong eventually got caught. Any athlete that set records in this time periods, I have serious doubts about steroid use enhanced their abilities.
There should be.
@@needleneedle6294 Yep, agree-her mid career explosion in performance was beyond dubious. She was 100% doping.
She was on PED’s, wake up!
No... She will never has enough top end speed... Additionally the grace of Flojo is unreachable... She seems like she was flying
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I am not an athlete at all but I want to say that Flo Jo's style is just marvellous. Such elegant long strides!
The wind was also crazy that day. She was running with a very strong wind current
So the wind help her and no one else.
And why was everyone else that same day in the same race so far behind her then?
"The ONLY World Record that nobody can break?" Javier Sotomayor's World Record for the Men's High Jump has stood at 8 feet and 1/4 inch since 1993, and despite the advances in shoes, equipment, training surfaces, and nutrition, no one has even come close to breaking it.
No one will!!
You forgot the one for Daniel komen!!
@@imutimwiti7606 Good call, no one will break that one also
Both the Womens 400m World Record and Womens 800,m World Record have stood for longer than Flo=Jo's. The were set by 400, Marita Koch (GDR) in 1983 and 800m Ludmila Kratochvilova (CZE)1985, and yes as you can see they are both Eastern European athletes.
@@stevored1989 All of your statements are correct, my friend, but in my opinion, Koch's WR in the women's flat 400m has a reasonable chance of being surpassed within the next few years. The women's 800m and Sotomayor's men's high jump WR's will both probably take much longer.
I watched this race in real time all those years ago. Her form and stride is what was so remarkable. She was simply... Just That Good. They didn't want to give her, her props. then and they don't want to give them to her now. Well that's just to bad, because Haters....like it or not, that record was history making and has stood the test of time. Just like Hank Aaron was the Home Run King over Babe Ruth and didn't get his acknowledgement. And look how long it took for that record to be broken.
Well Said!!! Thank You! Peace...
lol she was on all of the drugs
It's a great World Record and a beautiful lady.
@@desiday7070Good drugs too
@@TheCrusher72 80s drug testing was a joke thats why a lot of ppl cheated and got away with it.
Everything was just perfect, the universe was aligned just right that day for FloJo to beat the record by such a margin, just like when Bob Beamon beat the long jump record by what was thought to be unbelievable and cheating, etc.
And steroids
@@jmakinitrain2356 HGH, actually. But yeah.
Bob Beaman jumped at altitude. Easier than sea level.
Carl Lewis broke his record
at sea level.
Flo Jo died at 38yo.
People suspected her early death came due to perfomance enhancing drugs.
@@markrymanowski719 The suspicion was laid bare when the HGH test became available, her husband tested positive... and she immediately retired. Although there was no proof positive, her previous bloodworks (over many years) were kept in cold storage. There was a strong suspicion (and unsubtle hints) that those previous years' worth of tests would be rechecked if she had decided to come out of retirement.
@@davidcolin6519 They actually were retested and they came back clean
It's been replayed in real time it's totally a legit time. It was a truly epic moment.
I understand there is a lot of controversy with Flo-Jo and her record. However, look at the running style, it looks like she is almost floating, it was simply perfect!
steroids
They only controversy is people making unfounded claims.
@@Kay-fv7cwThe only controversy are from drug-deniers. There is absolutely no question that she used drugs. Her improvement was sudden, she retired just before mass drug testing was to be instituted, and she died at 38. There is no controversy around it among reasonable people, because we absolutely know without question she used drugs.
Totally!!!!!
@@cuthbertallgood7781 Again, unfounded claims.
PEDs that's why. We watched her for years come in 4th place. She disappeared for a year or so and came back looking different and running waaaaaaay faster. She might not have tested positive, but doesn't mean she wasn't taking PEDs; we all know in our hearts she did.
I remember all the jokes on Dutch TV about her moustache.
look at marion jones. if she never confessed who would have known. she was doping but the record will be broken.
@@kenzo7513 Marion couldn't keep her mouth shut like Carl Lewis. He's the best poker player sprinter. He knew when to fold and when to run. Everyone on the starting lineup in Seoul was doping and Carl Lewis knew it. Passing the piss man is easy when the country you run for practically runs the whole show.
Yes. She was hovering north and south of 11.5 seconds in the 100 meters for the longest time. All of a sudden she runs a 10.49, taking a full second off the range of her average times, only to retire all of a sudden before random testing became mandatory? Sorry, but that raises eyebrows in a major way.
I know people get upset about the allegations but the performance HAS to be set in context. 4 years before this event, Flow Slow was a member of the USNOTFT at the LAG. It is accepted and has been for some time that multiple PED findings were binned during that competition. Then, 2 years before this event, Flo Slo had her arse handed to her on a silver platter in Zurich by Cathy Cook. Now Cook was fast, everyone accepts that, but she was also unimpeachably clean. At that point, Slo decided to retire from athletics all together. And then went to work in a nail bar. So stops training completely. End of. She then returns to athletics and is coached by a coach who has drug allegations placed against him. And within a matter of months breaks world records that haven't been touched for nearly 40 years. There is then a decision made to change how drug testing occurs and she then retires. It's hard to believe that there is at any point nothing of any suspicion there whatsoever. By the way, this is notwithstanding any allegations of incorrect wind readings that day. That is another story altogether but is an issue within the wider story. I'm sorry to say it but she was a cheat who was never caught. Let's all accept that, and move on.
A lot of words for just trolling and hating.
Not sure how it’s trolling when they respectfully laid out the facts and your only response is, “hater.” At least try to rebuttal
@@ronniejohnson196 How is respectfully stating the facts, trolling or hating? Sounds to me like you just don't know how to react to a truth you don't want to hear, so you fall on the old, simplistic "hater." At least try to be more original. 😩
@@funshine817 Nice attempt at projection. Troll🚨 Alert! 🚨🚨🚨
@@ronniejohnson196 😂🤣😃 You poor dear. I don't think you know what projection is. You only have proved my point. You are unoriginal and can only spout "troll." Really, though, you are the actual troll.
While I love me some Shelly Frazer-Price, I honestly don't think she has the top end speed to break that world record. If we could combine her start with Elaine Thompson's top end then you might have something.
Incredible video! Thank YOU!
I hope shelly achieves her dreams and Godspeed to her in her efforts.... but I'm afraid no one will ever look as good as Flo Jo did in winning it.
Nothing even close. I think Sydney might be able to challenge that 200 record tho and might look almost as effortless.
Flo Jo was on drugs
@@cavaleermountaineer3839 which world are you ?
Sydney will never run closer to that.
*Shericka Jackson* has the ability to run 21.3.
While Elaine and Shelly can run 10.49
@@jahdjnr5232 Every time a person do the impossible people like you have not proved it all these years. Talk what you know. She was awesome. How many people out of all these years still dress, and look like her. She was a legend, and you and no one can take that from her. You be blessed.
Doesn't matter a jot what the hell she looked like you fool, she was a doped up cheat and should be scrubbed from athletics history. An athletics disgrace.
Flo-Jo had the same coach as Sydney McLaughlin has now. Maybe Syd should consider taking a coach with a better reputation.
Flo Jo never tested positive for anything, don’t tarnish her. The woman is dead…geez
She beat them in their racist snobbery
@@albertngene7402she was an obvious cheat. Nothing to do with her race.