F3H-2 In War Thunder: A Basic Review
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Taking a look at the F3H-2 Demon in War Thunder, discussing its performance, weapons, and its place in the current meta.
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TL;DR ...another tragically over-tiered aircraft in a horrifyingly compressed BR range.
Even now to this day?
@@gigachad5423yes even to this day it’s at 9.3 and it suffers at its own br, they are basically free kills whenever I get to face against them.
Shame, I used to love this plane when it was 9.3, it was never the most competitive jet even at 9.3 but it had a niche with the crazy combat flaps back then. Another victim of the insane compression at high tier, and Gaijin balancing players rather than vehicles.
To be fair if you want to make planes carry over irl capabilities with the arcade controls, you wont get balance all the time
I agree it’s as good but a little worse than the hunter fga9 and they match up super well with all the 9.7, 9.3’s but when they removed that hard cap at 9.7 this thing and all subsonic over 9.0 just freaking died
@@invertedv12powerhouse77 I mean, it doesnt really have to tweak it's performances. Creating BR 15.0 would fix most issues that planes suffer
@@michaelsanders6920 I disagree I fly 9.7 and 10.0 alot
@@michaelsanders6920 I'm sorry I tired I read part of it wrong. I get what you mean but ita not entirely impossible even the power in afterburners have their limits. The harrier is subsonic toon:)
For something that has no ballistic computer, it sure has an amazing cockpit view of the ground at least, but that's really grasping at straws for an upside. Suppose the 3klb bomb is unique, but mediocre.
From a grb standpoint, usa has so much more to offer. Not much point in taking this out at 9.7 really, other than just to have fun
I remember I played this back when it was 9.3 for like a month. Then it got raised to 9.7 immediately afterwards.
I was kicking ass with it at 9.3 back then after I spaded it I took it out with my buddie's phantoms and killed 4 Mig 21s shortly after that I saw it was moved to 9.7 as well
It's back to 9.3 again, and honestly it shouldn't even be 9.3. This is a solid 8.3 to 8.7 because of all the insane aircraft at 9.0 now. And you get put in matches with F-4 Phantoms, Su-25s, Mig-21s, and it doesn't even have countermeasures. It shouldn't be at 9, and most of those other aircraft should be far higher. The tomcat should be a fuckin 15
Reminder; the Navy at this time used a dual-fighter system. The daytime fighter was the F8U or F11F. The all weather fighter-interceptor was this thing. THIS aircraft was supposed to shoot Bears, Badgers, Bisons, etc.
Apparently it did fly favorably despite being underpowered (moreso than was normal for the period, lets not kid ourselves.) Sometimes two Mk12 cannon were removed to save weight.
A "Super Demon" F3H-1G/H was proposed with a GE J79, but that was abandoned by the Navy. The plane they went with instead was, obviously, the F4H Phantom II.
This thing really should be fighting MiG-19's and 17's, not...Harriers and such. Thanks Gaijin :^)
i thought the super demon developed into the phantom?
@@browning2471 It led to the F-4, but the Super Demon was abandoned as it didn't fit the new specs the Navy wanted in 1955 or so. Obviously the F-4 did borrow elements and research from the F3H and likely the F-101, so you're semi-correct
This thing eats harrier for breakfast
I think the main daytime fighter at the time was the F4D-1/F-6 Skyray, which entered service in the same year. The F-8 didn't come until 1958
@@Tigershark_3082 Both were used once they were available. There's footage from some film in 1962 of the USS Sri-Lanka (I think it was) which showed a squadron of crusaders and skyrays on the same ship.
I could *feel* the pain in that intro
... it was but a small taste of the experience spading this plane ...
@@TimsVariety I GE'd it for custom battles, so I never experienced that. However, you have my sympathies
i'm so lucky i spaded that thing the day before the a-5c was introduced
@@TimsVariety Yeah, playing stock planes is an absolute pain if your plane faces that notorious Chinese premium Magic dispenser.
"You know son, I used to rule the world..."
"Yeah, okay Grandpa"
This little jet gave me the most amount of fun in a long while and has earned a special place in my heart. But that was before Direct (S)hit...
this plane has been a bit of a odd ball in terms of viability since it was bumped up to 9.7, but after direct hit it has just been crushed by the new premium jets. my only advice is to stay at altitude to get the most out of your missiles, and then to take a dogfights downwards to make the most of your good turn rate without being handicapped by your poor acceleration and MER.
aim9b's have surprising range at higher alts where the air is thin, and a lot of players don't bother dodging aim9b's if you fire them from more than 2-3km away since they are used to just outrunning them at that distance at lower alts. got a kill on a harrier the other day who used his acrobatic smoke after i launched my last aim9b at him from 3km away. i wish i could have seen his face when he blew up like 7 seconds later.
Unfortunate! I’ve just unlocked this jet and was quite looking forward to flying it and getting it spaded so I could try out Aim-7 Sparrows for the first time. My enthusiasm was short lived after watching this!😂
Yeah. sorry.
A lot of 9.7s like F3H, G-91Y, and J32B became beyond useless after the "Direct Hit" update. I'm pretty sure these will go down in BR soon but having to wait for the victim vehicles to go down in BR after every single major patch is pretty frustrating ngl. This shows how lacking Gaijin is when it comes to QA. Instead they just rely purely on an Excel spreadsheet..
Ahaha, here we are 9 months later. Still 9.7….
@@ryguythesci-figuy81 can I add an extra month or 2 to that count?
Still hasn’t went down 😢
7 months later and its 9.3 in air rb. neat
I normally agree 100% with your reviews, I was most surprised by this one. I'm an average pilot in higher jets and I personally had an easy time with the F3. I take sidewinders and rely on my very high turn rate and guns. You dont see a lot of F3s so people often don't know how to fight them. Same you had such a rough time with it, but I do agree it's not for new pilots.
Love these reviews man, always excited to see a new one.
his are my new favorite for sure
Not having the intended engines for aircraft has held back the U.S Navy SOOO much.. Even the F-14 had to deal with engines far inferior to the ones it was supposed to have.
It really was a chronic problem for the Navy. :-(
I just stumbled upon your War Thunder videos today and I have now watched all of them lol. I like the mix of history and gameplay. The narration is pleasant to listen to as well. Personally I found the F3H-2 a lot of fun some games. But definitely outclassed at its current BR.
IFF doesn't mean you can't lock friendlies. It means it can tell the pilot what contacts are friend and which are foe. The radar can and will lock on to any contact either friend or foe.
Nice videos man, keep up the good work
What do you propose to improve the Demon?
Drop its BR or maybe upgrade the weaponry it carries?
Replace the 9Bs with 9Es and the 7C maybe with 7Ds?
And the radar
nice review, was playing it before the harier patch and it used to cope with oposition, now its just suffering
I love these reviews
As someone that's flying the Demon right now I agree. The engine is incredibly underpowered and trying to reach 1000kmh is going to take a while. You need to prioritize getting the new guns first because stock it's basically a shotgun.
this review came at a perfect time, i was researching this plane but I'll go down the F4 line now i guess
You'll need to go through it to get to planes like the F4J and F14. Unless you like the F4E or F15 stick with the navy line
@@Generic_Name_1-1 i don't care what plane i get i want a jet that isn't complete shit
@@Generic_Name_1-1 ; He should have followed your advice now that the F-4J is in xD
Very solid review
Just now having grinder my way up to this jet, I find using it similarly to how I would fly the panther, gives good results. And it’s ability to climb and get up to speed is better than the F2 of any variant, F84 or F86. I just stick to the AIM 9B’s and guns.
Very nice. Thank you.
Glad to hear it struggles at 9.7 sounds like it might return to a lower br soon
and still it has extreme high repair costs
almost a year later and it's still at 9.7, you can tell Gaijin literally does not care
Just got it today, it’s pretty fun if you have some experience and a good team. But most of the time it’s outclassed.
I still dont understand why the cockpit skewed to the right. When you look at it in external view while in a match the pilot and looks completely centered with it
I am waiting for you talk about the phantom fgr2
It will be a while, the Brits are my least-developed tree.
The only time I get killed by it is from very skilled pilots or when im already in a dogfight
Now it's back to 9.3 but it still faces MiG-21 and 23 with Su-25 everytime, can't really do anything to them. But he's highly maneuverable compared to them and cannons are ok. A lot of fun after playing the F-100D "brick" and other Sabres.
I have come to actually like the F3H2. Since the addition of the sparrows its been a joy to fly. The worst plane in the entire game that I have ever had the misfortune to fly is the Mirage III E. That plane can burn in the deepest hole this planet has to offer. Would love to play some war thunder with ya if you have the time. I myself have been trying to get into the YT world but school and sports gets in the way of it, not to mention I have ZERO editing skills. I do however stream on a semi-regular basis depending on my schedule.
I did notice that sim lobbies had the option to make 11.7 to 13.0 vehicles forbidden, so maybe gijian has some br decompression ideas for the future
as of this morning, Gaijin is finally gonna be switching the F3H-2 back to 9.3 soon thank god
Will you review the Mig 21 F13?
The interior reminded me of the vehicles from Avatar
The intro is simply pricless.
I only do play sim but I was genuinely surprised you don't like the demon. It's my favorite jet in this b.r again in sim tho..
the real problem with the plane is not anything about its performance, its the fact its 14k to repair and that makes it harder to use in the game. but whatever gaijiooobs.
The engine technically has a decent thrust output, i think its just a heavy jet
Same thing in this situation.
@@major_kukri2430 yeah it do be like that
I should revisit this plane
Okay I have to confess, I went and grinded for this plane for the only reason that I think it looks pretty. This was a rough plane to spade, like extremely so; it made spading the lightning and the Jaguar gr1a feel like clown college by comparison. However, I still enjoy flying it. The radar is bad, but the adjustable angles are nice. I've found it can be a pretty potent turn fighter at close range, it can push over 800mph in a dive, and it can pull extreme G's without any risk of wing rips. While the aim7C is probably the worst sarh missile in game, it's occasionally capable of all aspect shots, and I've had a few kills on people going vertical while dumping flares (not chaff) with the sparrows. In a one on one turnfight, you're golden, but anyone with an energy advantage like you said will just stomp on you if they know what they're doing. The engine is awful, acceleration is decent but you always hit a brick wall around 0.9 mach, which is especially frustrating to me because the airframe itself is completely capable of supersonic speeds and high G's. While I enjoy this plane, I attribute most of my success on enemies being stupid rather than my own skill. I enjoy it, at least about half the time I fly it, (I still think it looks sick) but you are very correct that most people will not have fun with this thing.
I _really_ enjoy the challenge of doing well in a plane that .... isn't exactly on the meta .... and it feels enormously satisfying to pull off a good mission in a plane like this, but yeah I suspect a lot of players will just be too frustrated to stick with this one.
@@TimsVariety this plane is horrifyingly bad in the current meta, but hilariously enough it’s also the only jet aircraft with which I’ve managed multiple 1st place finishes in Air RB.
By the end of the match you look at the statistics and you’re like, “well, shit. How the hell did I manage that?”
It kills me that it’s so over-tiered because at a similar level to the F9Fs it could very well be a good competitor. It really is just a better Cougar. That’s my impression of it anyway.
I love this plane
I have this and something worse is you need face “the flying tanks” or SU-25 which not only have two R-60’s and F3H2 got not counter measures and it’s very difficult to kill SU-25 for me
Ah the Demon!
Idk man, I never miss my bomb targets with the demon. It's incredibly stable for very low angle dive bombing. It isn't really diving, but basically here's how you know where the bomb will hit. At 750kmph or more, when your nose is down, look at the tip of the tail/rudder. Where the tail is, that is where the bombs will land almost every single time. Below that it'll land just about where your landing gear typically will be. However if you're using 1000lb bombs and up, release earlier and pull straight back into the air, because the shrapnel WILL hit and kill you. As far as missile go, the sidewinders are better on this aircraft than the sparrow because they can track anything at low altitude.
can you make video on G 91YS? it's another 9.7 suffering in this BR mess
I am suprised you did not like the Cockpit. The unhindered vision was something the real pilots credited to the plane, they only called it "The Chair". I was so amazed by it back then, didn't even know they gave it sparrows
Honestly, I think most of it is where they put the pilot's head, so to speak. Playing inside the cockpit in VR mode felt really odd in this one compared to other jets.
How is it that 2 years later this plane is still 9.3 it’s clear as day it underperforms horrifically and the only reason I’m using it is because I’m spading every plane.
What about it now being at 9.3?
I used to kinda like it and was really excited when it received its sparrows but yeah.. :(
Just remember the Soviets first radar missle is 10’3
Out of curiosity how do you get the radar tracking acquisition to stay up for so long, when I try to aquire locks (the flashing box corners) it switches itself off a second after I continue to hold down the button, so getting a lock is a bit hit and miss for me (even when there's a strong signal)
You're not supposed to hold the button
Also, there are keybinds to lock without using ACM mode
Thats the ACM Boresight mode.
And 18k repair as always for allies nations!!
Used to play the Demon alot in the past, was my first real experience with Aim-9B's in a decent airframe, it just felt awesome coming from the shit-box that is the F9F Cougar when i played it at 9.3, played a ton of it and liked it, but now i dislike to play it as it is to slow for 9.7 - but atleast the wings never ripped on me - unlike the F8U-2 where it rips so often and you have to baby the airframe and avoid high G's.
"the shit-box that is the F9F Cougar "
i have to disagree, think i have my best K/D in the F9F. imo its pretty easy to get reversals but i can see why people would dislike it
Well at least I know what I'm getting in to. If this must be a sacrifice on the road to F-4J, so be it!
maybe with the new compression with rank 8 coming way, maybe it could be competitive playing aggressively
No
@@s3nse1_official No
@@gaijinbroken6571 No
Man, if this plane had a J79. . .
This plane is great at sim air battles
I was playing sim and got a kill in it.
It’s bad in general but it’s charming, like the F-105. I like it cause it’s kinda fun but I would not recommend it
its a shame because its such a good looking aircraft, it needs to be back at 9.3.
The sad part is you still can do better in an up tier against American planes than you can in a down-tier piloting them.
So its not just me thats struggling, man the grind t0 F4 is fucking crazy :/
I think the Demon would be fine if it weren't for the repair cost, its ridiculous.
Now, I actually really like the demon, Especially after getting the Crusader. The guns are solid and have lots of ammo. And I LOVE that I can fucking throw this thing around as hard as I want. The high flaps max deploy speed is great.
Don't ever use the AIM-7's. Only bring 2 AIM-9b's. If you survive the air battle, pick up the rocket pods on rearm, they are great for pillbox busting.
Also, good luck if you take any wing damage, this thing will fall like a rock if its lift is compromised. No really.
Great review! I will skip this one looks like. I mean, its looks alone kinda make me not want to fly it.
With the su25 and a10 in almost all of your games this thing is nearly unplayable in rb
This thing is a free kill in my f-8
How were you able to unlock from your friendly? Never figured out how to do that
The key bind "weapon lock (air to air)" will work as a toggle and can un-lock a friendly.
@@TimsVariety Really? Even if they’re radar locked? Never thought about trying it after so many years, but I’ll look into it, thanks
@@TimsVariety tried it out in a match and it works; don’t know why I ever tried it out in so many years, but whatever the case, thanks for the intel :)
@@bubblesofthecoast6393 Yeah its kindof counterintuitive, but it works like a toggle. I'm planning to explicitly mention it when I eventually re-do my video on using missiles (now that a few new types have been added)
@@TimsVariety Least it’s in the game; went so long thinking it wasn’t a thing yet I saw so many people online change targets with ease. Anyways, I’ll look forward to that revised video of yours, whenever it comes out :)
Should have watched this before grinding the shit out of this aircraft
4x sparrow loadout gang where you at?
Ouch.... this plane and many others struggle from how compressed BRs are right now. Perhaps it would be okay at 9.7 if things were super uncompressed, but... p a i n
This is my favorite plane
What
It sucks
@@moroguin1331 to be a favourite doesn't mean it needs to be good.
@@moroguin1331 it may suck but the dopamine rush you get when the aim7c actually works is second to none
It's back down to 9.3 and still has all the same problems :D
That's a very cool looking jet, but sadly it's also one of the shittier ones to use.
This may be a hot take but the looks of this aircraft grew on me and i now think it looks rather cool
All's fun and games till he starts sniping with sparrows at altitude
it whos greate on 9.3
I absolutely beat the shit out of people with the F3H a few weeks ago. I did encounter a bunch of A5Cs but they were mostly on my team. It turns like mad, it's got a great radar (great because it exists.) and its guns... *holy shit* they kill stuff. I wish it was in a good placement away from 30G missiles and supersonics but I don't really know of many aircraft that they could pit it against.
Doesn't this thing turn really well?
.... once .... then its a brick
@@TimsVariety damn, I better not sleep on the Skyray, then. I really want to play a dedicated fighter at this BR range but US Rank VI is kind of... Eh.
It’s a shame that this thing has such a cool look lmao. This and the us f104s are both horrific to play but cool to look at
I don't understand the repair costs of this thing
A lot of these vehicles started out strong in the meta when they were first introduced, then quickly got destroyed in power creep and nobody plays them ... so the "stats" on the vehicle still look very favorable on paper, and for some insane reason thats what the snail bases repair costs on ....
@@TimsVariety but then they should adapt their methology to only include the stats of the last 3 months
@@patricktho6546 I agree 1000% , but it'll never happen.
Making the SL economy more player-friendly is just something they'll never do.
Gaijin likes to make the economy suck for players Now you understand
do jaguar a
Can you review the Vickers mk3 please
I main the F3H and almost have the Ace qual for it and disagree on most parts, its turn rate is fantastic and as long has you have full afterburn on all the time, which is not a problem, you will not encounter a stall issue. Second IT IS THE ONLY FIGHTER TO GET RADAR GUIDED MISSILES AT THE BR!!!!! Yes they are not great but people in jet tier have a hard on for head ons and with the sparrows I welcome them and they die, unless they are a MIG-21 which is impossible to lock for some reason. Third I do want to agree with the radar, it holds back the sparrows and makes it impossible to use them at longe range even at high alt. Fourth I have not yet taken this plane into enough ground matches to say whether or not it can really support its payload options. Fifth YOU DO NOT NEED A BOMB TARGETING COMP, ANYONE THAT HAS REACHED THE F3H SHOULD HAVE EXPENCE DROPPING BOMB/ROCKETS. The F3H is my favorite plane in the game so far its speed is not great but it is enough to keep you in the fight and it gets unique missiles at the BR that people either do not know how to deal with or do not know what they can do.
Currently the F-4C is just 0.3br above the demon and outperforms it in every aspect by a mile. I'm a huge demon fan, have the free ace qualification with it, but facts are facts. It is currently both overtiered and powercrept.
@@stoyantodorov2133 the f4 is a flying brick and the play style is far different than the f3h
@@GRIMM-lo7ce even though the F4 is a brick, its still has so much thrust over the demon that nothing else matters.
this thing fighting a pfm is whats wrong with war thunder
and ofc gr1s
9.0 at most.
A-5's and J35's are just outright clubbing the F3H. You just have to keep speed, run no more than two missiles, and no more than 20 minutes of fuel. Never be the first to engage. Be willing to take some distant shots. I've had plenty top down shots as someone is pulling hard G's in a flat turn. .8km hits are really satisfying. I've somehow maintained a positive K/D, but it sure doesn't feel like it. Not to mention the ridiculous repair cost of over 15k lions.
This plane was honestly the most disappointing aircraft I ever had the misfortune to buy and then crew, second place being the f9f-8 (stock at least)
Damn, this is kinda a shame since I was kind of looking forward to finally getting that plane after the Phantoms. Heard it was like an American Hunter and the 3000 it holds really peaked my interest.
It might have a place in ground RB as a bomb truck / CAS, but ... without the ballistics computer ...
If you want to use sparrows just get the f4c
at even a higher BR and still with no flares? no thanks. use the f-4e or f-8e. Rank VI is a black hole that should be avoided at all costs in the American air tree.
@@melc311the f4c is fine, fly high where you are superior and just avoid all aspects and boom you are fine
Why do I always pick the shittyest planes
Well.....Shit......i just spent all my SE on it... then watched this review.... shit..... 😢😅
Why do you always make your pilot lose control... Disturbs me in several ways.
i've left a few comments on his other videos telling him the trick where you pull negative g's to cancel out the positive g blackout. either he hasn't read them or doesn't understand what i mean... but yeah, watching someone start blacking out in a turn only to keep pulling g's feels like nails on a chalkboard.
@@flynntaggart8549 I know, and I have few problems in a dogfight as long as I manage my energy well and avoid pulling lead and dropping flaps at every possible moment when the enemy is kilometers away. The main thing that makes this thing suck is the fact it goes against AIM-9J's and R-60's.
Well, the alternative is to stop turning, and get turned-in-on even faster. As for what Flynn mentioned, same thing applies but S is also my throttle-down key, so ... pitch nose-down at low alt on landing when I'm trying to play with my throttle? .... that won't work for me.
@@TimsVariety Blacking-out is far worse for turning than slightly relieving pressure on the elevator for a split second, and it retains more energy. You don't need to always pull lead to win a turn-fight. All you have to do is tap W (or whatever your pitch down key is) quickly a couple times and you avoid blacking out and dumping all your energy. Keep your crosshair behind the opponent until you're close enough to actually get a shot off, _and then_ pull lead.
I hope I don't come off as patronizing, but we all have a little left to learn no matter how long we've been playing.
@@CowBeatsCrow If it makes the commenters happy, I'll see if I can find a convenient keybind to try it, and see how it goes. I'm nothing if not open minded.
Too bad, it looks pretty cool.. But doesn´t sound too fun ATM..
Not sure but I I think that f4c has aim7c too
Thats the Aim7D
F3h is more like at 8.7 or 8.3
This review would have turned out MUCH different at 8.7
You want this thing to bully 7.7's and 7.3's? I think it would fit alright at 9.0, or at least better than at 9.7 where it usually faces Phantoms and Fishbeds.
No. It's 9.3 or even 9.0. It'll simply club 7.7 and 7.3 if it was in the BRs you just mentioned.
Sounds like skill isue
I have a 2K/D and love it
Love your videos and dont get too stresst out by playing war thunder
U play this plane so badly
why the fuck would they put a subsonic with no flares and aim9bs at 9.7? because some gimicky aim7C?
nice, another garbage plane that just drains your SL to play that you should skip. it's not worth the SL of even crewing it.
To this day, it's meh