"Despacito" Mix Engineer Jaycen Joshua - Pensado's Place
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Dave Pensado Assistant turned Grammy Award Winning Mix Engineer, Jaycen Joshua joins us this week to talk his mix secrets, technique and insight on harmonics, low end, panning, delays, 808s, and working with Dave. This guy drops some serious gems!
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It's insane how I've been trying to mix my vocals to sound good for so long and Jaycen drops the most basic vocal chain and it made such a huge difference.
( EQ hipass 50hz - RVOX - EQ low shelf 300hz - Multiband Comp - Air EQ --- Parallel Comp)
Engineers who learn the art become better engineers. Artists who learn the science become better artists.
Beautifully said
@brenttauromusic: That's a #SnappleTopFact King
That is so insane, Jaycen went on to mix one of the most famous songs of this decade.
This is blowing my mind.
Dave must be so proud.
Stay blessed and healthy people, for all these major gemz you have been dropping on the show!
Ти да видиш хахаха
dude this guy is amazing i watched almost every video of pensados place and he is the only one ONLY ONE!!! That shares some real and not philosophical Knowledge thanks for this
Sorry, but philosophical knowledge is the essence of understanding a concept or technique
i agree but not in the the audio word where a principal could be the same but all of the possibilities have different character
IKR dude dope
Jaycen Joshua Changed My Life As An Engineer!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've just realized how much I don't know about mixing.
Same here - I feel you on that one lmao😂
Parallel compress the vocal and then automate it so sometimes it sits in your face and sometimes it doesn't?? Why have I never thought of that! This video is GOLD!
No joke! Loved that tip!
Dexter Bartis Genius right? so many gems in this💯
puppiesinspace Definitely not true ten years or so back and before that, before daw’s were so powerful.
As far as every thing coming down to connections and soft skills ... that’s literally every single area in life, no exceptions. Talent is pretty common. Unless you have that next level 1% talent, it won’t matter if you can’t network, communicate, and find a way to navigate your way in. Having the soft skills to go with talent is rare. The former is probably more important than the latter.
Furthermore, I could give you a long list of bands and artists throughout history that had a certain sound during a period working with a famous engineer/producer, and then sounding like shit when they stopped working with that engineer. Back in the day, it was very noticeable the difference between engineers and there was incredible variability. Nowadays, I would say everything is closer to sounding the same with digital technology, but there is a few percentage point difference that separates the pro-level from the amateur, and it’s apparent to trained ears that set the industry standards. What guys like Jaycen, Mike Dean, Tumay (if we are talking modern hip hop) do is give songs those last percentage points of separation, and they continue to set the standard for how loud a track can be commercially. If you caught that tip from Jaycen in here ... there is definitely some artistry and expertise that go along with their connections and social skills.
@puppiesinspace whaat?
Finally!!! Jaycen has been killing it
34:18 talking about the Weeknd's vocal chain on reminder
Only the episodes with Jaycen Joshua are the best shows! 3 times now...
"my effects team" hahaha wtf?! Taking mixing up a few levels
bubsbeats lol same thing I was thinking
lol ikr
Shyt wild
Can you guys please have Jaycen back on again?? My favorite engineer.
Sick Beats Productions I’m doing a research essay on him right now!
@@ItsMeStyles nice 💪💪
I second this
I'm honestly shocked how few subscribers you guys actually have. Makes me feel like I'm really getting an edge by watching this channel haha.
HANDS DOWN the BEST Pensado's Place episode ever! Love this!
check out the previous interview he did on here, its even better
Seen it. Awesome too!
Great episode!! When is Alex tumay coming? My life will be complete after that episode lol
the best mix and master engnrng skills are related to discovery by the ear..and not copy or mimic other persons chain of settings , its all about ....knowing the virtual room in your head and the setup of the elements in that virtual room...ofcorse you got to know how the trumpet or piano reacts in different spaces and ambiances , a burning candle cant give a warmth feeling on a sunny day in your livingroom, unless you make the room dark , and let the temperature drop to a cold environment,, this is how you can mimic a warm an romantic moment in your room in daylight en in the middle of the summer...this is what you do exactly in your image of your mix . 1 tip....never mix around a kick.....instead mix around the vocal!!!
mikey mokey SHUT UP
I wish there was a channel like this for underground electronic artists/producers
God bless you dave, jay. i hope one day i can meet you all, be your friend, work together, making music and make you guys proud. thanks for the inspiration.
"Can I make a suggestion to say answers that would help the majority of the inside-the-box listeners" what a stand-up guy, truly the best guest on Pensados Place ever!
Soooo...can iget that Blitzberg folder? 🤔😉
Pm me
@@natewilliams2426 Yo please let me know if you have any leads! Would be a dream come true !
@@natewilliams2426 ????
can i get it too??
45:40 "Lil Uzi vert is are Luther Vandross"... Ok... let's slow down a little bit buddy. smh
notsogood yeah it’s clearly young thug
Great episode. Jaycen is my all-time favorite guest. Love all his interviews.
No doubt
Wow haven't watched Pensados place in so long, and my favorite engineer pops up on the show. Trim the front part of the 808 and let the kick come through first. Never thought of it. I know what I'm doing now.
same here!!
And Distortion :)
Right?! Killer tip!
Whts the time place for this tip.
I wonder how much he charges for mixing ? Does any one knows?
Nothing less than 10k, I suppose.
Congrats on the silver button award !!!
Weekend Reminder Vocal Chain:Fabfilter ProQ2 - Highpass RVox - Compression {More eq} (Specifies a Shelf/Wave curve) ML 4000 McDSP ( 4 Band Multiband Compression) Air EQ (To add a little bit of Top End)Send to parallel trackCLA 2A (Blue Version, to catch peaks etc, Blend to Taste)Hope this helps :)
cla 2a blue version? cl76 no?
can you elaborate more if you know.. about the shelf wave curve he used ?
They definitely have an Anakin and Obiwan vibe. It’s awesome one of the best today is a pupil of Pensado.
This video is immortalised to me now
Great interview! Lots of gems.
"Major key!!!" I literally spit out my coffee.
Um How do I get my hands on this Blitzburgh folder?!! muahahaha!
does anyone have more info on the harmonic mixing he's talking about? really enjoyed this episode
My message is addressed from the Spanish speakers, COULD THE VIDEOS BE SUBTITLED IN SPANISH ?, it would be of great help
What plugin is he talking about isotope 4, I have the 8 version now, Anyone?
izotope 4, hard to get it now...he is still using izotope 4 on master bus
I love this guy but don’t see any humbleness. It’s annoying when someone keeps calling themselves the king. Let others call you that.
Matthew G lol because he knows no one mixes better than him right now
The Wizard that’s my point... It’s like a hot girl constantly announcing how hot they are. Doesn’t look good
Yeah eff that attitude. A true master always believes they are a journeyman.
this dude mad arrogant but why wouldnt he be. Talk doesnt matter these men deliver and they understand audio well! I picked up some subtle and important trricks from this!
This is the second time Ive heard a mixer mention Izotope Ozone 4.
That's why that Unforgettable snare is the snare of the year :D
I can't find the Blitzberg Folder anywhere. Any Ideas?
Is there anyway we can get that Blitzberg folder? He’s straight dropping 💎 amazing stuff. Top episode till this day.
Love this show! Great episode :)
So would using the ADSR controls to shorten the sustain/release on the 808 be the same as using the trim tool or would that be a different effect? 🤔 32:07
you get the scuffham with the Slate digital bundle
tomkillsjerry what is that with slate plugin? I have slate
This has to be the best PP episode. It's, for sure, my favorite.
this was a very nice episode!
Who got the Jaycen Joshua Ozone 4 preset? xD
What was he talking about "black cat rapper if you're on 12" !?
@@OrenRatowsky mistakenly he said black cat ripper its blue cat ripper plugin, if you are using pro tool 12 you need this plug in to load rtas plugin as pt12 doesnot support rtas plugin.
@@OrenRatowsky blue Cat Patchwork
so many PRACTICAL gems!!!!
I honestly think this is testament to how much of a genius Dave is that he mentored someone like Jaycen and how much of a beast at mixing he really. I think if I had watched this video at the beginning of my Audio Engineering career in 2013 I think I would have progressed a lot faster, particularly what Jaycen says about the speed of technology and listening to the 'kids'.
I spent years trying to follow the lessons and technical ideologies taught to me at University (which I am still thankful for learning) but the fact was my mixes and not even CLOSE to the right pulse. Watching Pensado's Place for free is honestly such a blessing, thank you guys for sharing all this knowlege with :D
there's one thing that jaycen still has to learn from dave.
humbleness.
I wonder whether he means the Waves RVox or the Renaissance compressor? In his deconstruction of Justin Bieber's 'Baby' for Sound On Sound magazine in 2010, he used the Renaissance. Other producers seem to confuse the two.
@@garogarogaro Nope. RVox has an exciter to make the vocal feel like it's in your face. And a gate of course.
And Rcompressor is just a great all-around compressor, especially for vocals. There's the "Warm" sound mode that grabs on vocals really nicely.
*Holy arms Jaycen!* Is this guy doin' curls with his NS10s all day??
Lmao 😂
Why sounds like shit if its a mixing program
at some point some of you guys need to stop idolizing your peers. compete against them...and win (reading the comments). great episode guys, guest lil too cocky for me but to each his own.
The King ... a lil too cocky??? Bro this is THAT guy when it comes to mixing tho lol. Ego is important.
Victor Floyd perhaps. cocky is not a nice word, should have used arrogant, less harsh of a word, and doesn't mean i don't respect him, also doesn't mean that i fear to go against him
;)
The King yea man he's my competition. This guy is the only guy I currently feel can deliver something I can't, within my genre of course. I don't think he's god though lol
What do you guys think about his shelving technique (instead of using bells) he's speaking of regarding removing proximity effect and low mid build up on vocals. Do you think he just put a negative low shelf from, lets say, 300-400hz ?
Seems like that is what he meant yes. I don't really know what's the big deal about this because it seems like a standard low cut from 300hz or so.
You mean low shelf ? He says he's using shelving instead of bells. For cuts he says he cuts @50-60hz
Jan Magdevski lost me on this one
Would love to have a mentor like any of you guys , so fucking awesome
Am right with the vocal chain!? FabFilter Pro Q2 (roll of bottom end 50Hz!?) -> RVOX -> Hi-Shelf (with a high Q to reduce frequencies below at around 400-500Hz) -> McDSP 404 Mulitband Compressor!?! (which is it exactly??) -> Maag AirEQ and then parallel it with blueface CLA 76.....was this correct!?
McDSP MC2000, inside is the four-band multi-band compressor with the name MC404. Not the Maag, it's the Eiosis AirEQ.
@@MeinePrivatVideos do you know what gear he is talking about at the end, 10 am analag gear?????
INVINCIBLE “10M” is a clock from antelope audio.
Mix like the band was playing live.
Great episode! One of my favorite mixers!
What does he mean saying that he can hear the difference between 30 and 31 cycles?
I just feel like I’ve made no progress and that my mixes sound like absolute shit
welcome to the club buddy
When asked about Echoes at 49:36 Jaycen says "flip the phase so they`re outside the speaker". I know that there is a setting in Waves H-Delay to switch the Left or Right Phase, but that logically phases out in mono. Is he talking about that or switching the 'whole Phase' if that makes any sense? So switching the whole signal but that wouldn't change anything is it? Would be very happy if someone could explain this! 😊
Just flip one side. Left or Right. See the scope, the wave is going to be horizontally instead of vertical.
“Outside the speakers” is “out of phase” signal. Is an stereo effect, not to be heard in mono.
Jaycen's interviews are by far the best.
them kids are gunna eat, lmao pretty cool dude
Best guest ever! Third time on the show, always sharing so much insight, always killing the game, was blown away to find out he did Despacito etc. Jaycen if you're reading this thank you so much. What a wonderful episode!
808 is distorted guitars been saying that for years
How you guys get perfect content loudness?
Shout out to Jaycen! Sharing them KEYS. =)
Loved this episode! Learned so much from it :D
could anybody help with what he is saying at 49:44 i dont understand the word or the meaning.
"multed"?
he say it earlier in the in the episode too...
please share with us the knowledge if you know what it means
thank you
actually he is saying multi, multiband compression .. i guess
He's talking about splitting a signal into multibands and apply a crossover. Eg: 808 split into low, mid and high frequencies. This gives more control over what you want to process
what's that delay phase inverse trick? I didn't understand it quite well
Kencis Clay Can you timestamp it? He could be referring to splitting the track, panning to both sides, shifting phase on one, and putting it forward or backwards several milliseconds on the timeline. This creates a stereo widening effect. Particularly useful for opening up a single guitar track, IMO.
49:35
Just use a plugin that can flip the phase and put that on a bus before the delay
i saw an instagram post of him and i think that when he says that he puts outside the speakers he's say that he doubles the delays and inverts the phase and the both together fake 1 delay outside the speakers..i tried that but it sound a lot phasey
Saw that Instagram post too. Didn't understood the phase either
Another great Pensado's Place - would be great to have a discography / recommended listening for each guest.
this is smart
Definitely one of the best
If you're watching this in 2021, you're a legend!
Shout out to the kings, thanks for another amazing episode
What does he mean when Dave asks for the bass, Joshua says Multi in the batters box Check out 49:42 ?????????
Nelson that means you duplicate the bass track and apply different processing to that duplicate track.
@@adamturleymusic aaaaa ok bro thanks i wouldn't know, make sense now!!
pls what plugin he mentions 49:22 when talking about distortion? i cant understand :(
probably the uad ibanez overdrive ts808 plugin... but that's just a guess. The thermonic culture vulture is also very good. just work the mix/dry/wet knob.
He talks about a guitar pedal...
Yes, the Ibañez TS808 (guitar pedal) emulation by UA. He showed it on a Instagram video.
To everyone who may read this I hope y'all make it.. let’s keep grinding 🙏🏽
32:20 37:00
Hey guys I just have a question. Why the name “pensados place” ? What does it mean?
maphugga - i was the best runner
LMAO I think I'll get the preset from Dave 50:18
hahahahahaha
It’s Django unchained up in here lol
one of my favorite parts is 25:00-25:45
I started rapping just over a year ago and started making beats about 8 months ago. I came here because of 808 and got so much more. Thank you for this guys. I sincerely appreciate it. Within 12 months one of my songs "THIS IS MY LIFE" will be number one.
@Jaycen Joshua @Pensado's Place
Willing to trade Lysol for Blitzberg Pack
ITS LITT
S-Gear is terrific! I actually used it live with a usb midi controller for about a year on standard cover gigs. Great plugin.
what does he mean when says trim the front part of the 808? If I trim it I get clicking noises. Have i misunderstood something ?
just duck it with the volume. not actually cutting/trimming. .. just ride the volume down when it hits together.
thanx
It's not volume riding; he was actually talking about trimming the individual 808 hit; he went on to explain that you can draw in a super-quick volume fade after you get it just right, "and then copy paste it". So it's shortening the 808 a tiny, tiny amount, and then fading it in, rather than trying to manage it with a compressor or other automated tool. It's a great way to work - you can zoom in all the way, see the changes in volume represented as you draw them in, tweak it to hit absolutely perfectly with the kick, then paste the result throughout.
just sidechain it to the kick
You can side-chain, of course, but ... he's talking about a much more finely-tuned way of getting the 808 sample out of the way for at most a couple milliseconds, where you can (a) mute the 808 sample entirely for a part of a cycle; (b) draw in a volume curve that's far far shorter than the recovery time of any compressor, so that the 808 hits exactly when you want it, but you just eke out that tiny bit of extra headroom by keeping the front-end of the click entirely with your kick sample, rather than the 808. Hence why he brought it up; everyone side chains, but he feels this gets him an extra degree of control - and loudness - that side-chaining doesn't allow for.
I'm sorry if this question has been posted before, but I would just like to add that it would be GREAT if you could add a segment where you listen to the rough and then the finalised version of a song and just go through the key changes you've made to it. By song I mean the song in it's entirety. No need to even solo out instruments and talk about individual effects, but to just discuss how particular effects glued the mix together. Thanks!
Any good engineers in LA with decent mix rates hit me up
working at a killer, new and cheap studio specializing in trap/hip hop/rnb open 24/7 if you want some 230-530am seshes faded as all hell, lemme know … and let your friends that rap know too
FUCK YEAH! congrats on the play button. well deserved.
Can anyone explain 49:40 ? Echos - Flip the phase outside the speakers? What does it mean?
Just flip the phase on the delay. (Like H-delay). But only one channel, Left or Right. You going to hear a strange “out of phase” sound. Look to your scope, the sound is going to be horizontally instead of vertical. Hope it helps.
@@tp6980 ok , I think I got it.
let me repeat . a stereo delay left and right on two tracks. you switch the phase on one track , that's it ? I try it
Thanks
Sarah Rothfuss dont need two tracks. Just put a stereo version of H-delay on a stereo track and hit the invert phase of one side ( 0L or 0R ) ( There are 3 buttons on H-delay, invert 0L, ping pong, invert 0R) just hit invert R OR L. Just one side inside the plug in.
0= invert sign
The most important mixing skill I EVER learned was gain staging.
Great show! Good to see Jaycen again!!
Jaycen is amazing!!!
31:23 Brain fart.
Can u explain it ? I kind of understand but not entirely
DR. BEAU - Young Engineer trusting my Engine Ears until I get a seat at Pensado's Place
at 36:43 what's the name of that compressor that he mentioned on the weekend reminder vocal chain its called the ardvox compresser?
It's the Waves R-Vox!
oh lol thanks!
Yes, it's the R-Vox...
What’s up with the trim tool thing he said. He’s only trimming the high frequencies of the 808?