Why Vegans Need to Stop Using THIS Word (Ft. Debug Your Brain)
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- I sit down with Justin from @DebugYourBrain and we talk ethics, activism, veganism, and more!
0:00 Who is this Justin of Debug Your Brain?
0:56 Do vegans have a moral obligation to do activism?
4:54 What counts as activism?
6:54 Should vegans avoid saying moral?
9:38 How many people do you need for social change?
10:22 Will we live to see a vegan world?
11:24 Is street outreach effective?
15:24 Should vegans eat KFC Beyond chicken?
18:40 Lab grown meat
18:57 How to condense your arguments
20:00 How to defeat someone's argument on their own terms
21:56 What Reducetarians miss
23:05 Justin's book recommendations
Media we mention:
You Are Not So Smart:
www.amazon.com/You-Are-Not-So...
The Righteous Mind:
www.amazon.com/Righteous-Mind...
Charlie and Ben Podcast:
/ charliebenpodcast
Link to Justin's video:
• Advice for Vegan INTRO...
#vegan #debugyourbrain #philosophy
So happy we had a chance to do this even though the Snow Gods tried to thwart us!🌱❄
Veganism IS a moral obligation! That's absolutely correct.
Great collaboration! Glad to see it. I really enjoyed the conversation! I look forward to hearing the rest on Debug Your Brain's channel.
You are absolutely fabulous. You remind me a lot of Earthing Ed. This world needs you and your activism. Thank you for what you do. Your easy conversational approach is genius. I’m in Canada but wish I lived near you to hang or tag along for some street activism. ☮️❤️🌱
Thanks so much!
Fantastic conversation! So happy UA-cam served your channel to me. Subscribed and looking forward to catching up on everything you’ve already done. Keep up the great work!!
Street outreach is great. Just letting your friend know you are vegan is great. Buying stocks in vegan product companies is great. Tying veganism/plant base eating to health, environment, clean meat, is all good. You go!!
I recently discovered both of your channels, you are both amazing! Feeling so inspired to maybe try your kind of activism :)
Thanks so much!! Excellent - hope you try it soon, let me know if you have any questions!
At 16:00 you talked about convenient options like KFC vegan chicken. I think it makes "vegan is hard" an obsolete claim which I think is important.
9:00 I have a book and this would be called a thought terminating cliche, an attempt to end the conversation before it can even begin.
On social media, I get people to look at vegans and vegetarians favorably by copying and pasting this-
Some intelligent, widely admired people who chose not to eat meat- Pythagoras, Socrates, Leonardo da Vinci, Voltaire, Newton, Benjamin Franklin, Nikolai Tesla, Albert Einstein, Gandhi, Albert Schweitzer, George Bernard Shaw, Tolstoy, Thoreau, Saint Francis of Asisi, Nobel laureate and holocaust survivor Isaac Bashevis Singer, and many more. Some on this list switched late in life, but stayed on it to the end. Ben Franklin switched at age 16.
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." -Einstein (Of course today, he would be vegan. So would the others on this list.)
The famous Professor of Physics Brian Greene is vegan. You may have seen him on PBS hosting science shows for the layman. Jane Goodall recently went from a long time vegetarian to vegan. Greta Thunberg is vegan. Jon (Daily Show) Stewart is not only vegan, he owns a farm animal sanctuary!
I found both of you recently. You are both doing great work!
Who’s the lucky pooch? So cute!
Great discussion, you are both such effective activists.
Thank you! That's my sister's dog, Apollo
You're both absolute SaLADS ✊🥗🥙
Great convo. I follow him already. Can you link Charlie and Ben Podcast?
Added to the description!
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You should both read "Motivational Methods for Vegan Advocacy" if you haven't yet.
Thanks for the recommendation! I just ordered it - looks really helpful!
2:55 haha i hate to be a party pooper but the 15% Israeli vegan population figure seems very far fetched. I have heard estimates go from 5% to like 30% and they appear so out of reality. I'm guessing that the estimates were reached through poor, and perhaps optimistic methods. I'd be very surprised if the country reached the 5% mark. I'd guess it's more around 1%-4%.
Tho, in terms of most vegans per capita, Tel Aviv may indeed be the most vegan city in the world 🌍
Here from DebugYourBrain, i liked the interview!
The apartheid state of Israel is just trying to promote itself as vegan in an attempt to obscure its occupation of Palestine and its oppression of the native population.
This is the video he was talking about where the Israel statistic is shared, it's a really good watch: ua-cam.com/video/NWHqJpcgjk0/v-deo.html
It's like you took one look at the "epic fail" roadsign and started sprinting as fast as possible towards it
I managed to get my bank to practically pay for my 25 pound greenpeace donation the other week, Hour well spent on the phone explaining to them there employee made the mistake. ✌️ Activism is in us all, plant those seeds, share the joy of veganism .. but it's hard to do it without preaching .
Joey Carbstrong definitely convinced me... Please all watch his channel,!! he goes into the farms and shows us in the U.K what it's farms are like!
Awesome! Donating money is a great form of activism. I watch Joey all the time - so cool that he convinced you!
Been watching more of your video, love your videos btw! I asked a Lady what's stopping her from being vegan ( because she pointed out the V burgers I was buying, ) and she said her husband wouldn't be vegan and stops her. I feel like a lot of people that would be vegan are held back by there families, even my cousin said, she tried veganuary but feeding her kids and partner on a vegan diet wouldn't happen. (They are Australian) hard to convince them to put vegan food on the Barbie .
@@GarethRiffStevens I agree that family can hold some people back from being vegan. Luckily for me I was wanting to try veganism and a couple of months later my wife wanted to do vegan in January (2001). I jumped on it and haven't gone back. Unfortunately she does eat some cheese etc. My son also is vegan now. I think I would have become vegan eventually but it is hard if the household isn't on board.
Imagine cows, pigs and chickens could understand English and we're listening to your "but I was bullied for saying the word morality"
Thank you for watching! I didn't say I was bullied - we were discussing the effectiveness of using the word in different situations. I think farm animal want us to be as effective as possible
I don't think animal rights activism is an obligation. It's fine if people just live their lives or have different priorities or whatever, if the world were already vegan that would be normal. It's not fine to harm animals.
Do you think that if there was still slavery in western society that human rights activism would be a moral obligation then?
@@176Znarf There is currently lots of very nasty things happening in our society, including animal abuse. I don't think anyone has an obligation do drop what they're doing and rework their life to revolve around fixing those things.
We can't take responsibility for other people's actions. That's a completely intractable bottomless pit of work for an individual. Accountability can only come from within.
@@introprospector Wow, you completely dodged my question and argued a straw man. Good job.
@@176Znarf I meant to answer in a more practical and applicable way. Back before industrial, legal slavery was abolished there were lots of people not involved in that industry, but it was much more difficult to boycott because all products and industries profited from slavery. You could buy some good that wasn't directly produced using slave labor, but it was likely shipped on a boat with sails produced using slave labor, or funded using taxes generated by slave labor. There's a direct material benefit afforded to all citizens derived at the expense of the enslaved people, and society as they knew it was not possible without slavery.
The same is true of animal agriculture to some degree, but the levels of removal are much greater. The roads that a vegan product are shipped on may have been paved by workers wearing leather boots, but that's not necessarily the case, there is no way of knowing, and the exploitation of animals is not inherent in the product. We as a society could have made a transition long ago to modes of production free of animal exploitation, but people have chosen not to.
The comparison you're trying to make here would be a typical white north-american citizen pre-abolition to a modern vegan, and I don't think those are comparable. Pre-abolition North americans absolutely had an obligation to enlist in the war effort, educate escapees, and actively oppose slavery. That obligation wasn't caused by someone else's oppressive and violent actions, it was caused by the material benefits afforded to northerners. In order to say animal rights activism is a moral obligation you'd need to demonstrate that veganism is insufficient in simply not contributing to the problem. You'd need to demonstrate that I and other vegans benefit from animal ag, perhaps as much so as carnists.
A more appropriate comparison I think is something like child abuse. I don't have a moral obligation to seek out and stop abusers simply because what they're doing is violent and oppressive. I do have an obligation to oppose and prevent it by making sure that it doesn't happen when and where I have the power to do so. This means policy and awareness in communities and organizations I'm a part of. Opposing and preventing it is not activism, it's simply how every normal person should live their life.
We should absolutely support big corporations when they bring out a vegan product. In a near future, majority of these corporations products will be plant based / cultured meat and dairy
No way dude. A bigger and more consolidated plant based industry doesn't translate at all to a decrease in animal agriculture. Buying an impossible whopper doesn't save a cow's life. Both plant based industry and animal ag can coexist without conflict, or even both grow. Growing plant based industry does not decrease the scope or power of animal ag.