If it makes you feel any better... 98% of break ins are not due to lock manipulation... a broken window is a much lower skill attack and also quicker- so your shitty lock is irrelevant
1)Put the cylinder into a lock body that doesnt say magnetic on it. 2)Replace two of the pins with pieces of bead chain. 3)Send it to BB as a challenge lock. 4)Sit back and laugh as he tries to pick it.
@@ke6gwf I suggested for him to do it and send it as a challenge to BB(BosnianBill). A couple bead chain sections in the place of a couple pins will make a lock almost unpickable/rakeable.
I was thinking the same thing, remove the magnetic branding, perhaps change the implementation of the magnetic pins a bit, and the result should be a high security lock...
No idea why but i love your videos, i have no experience or interests in lockpicking but your i love watching your vids. One reason might be the smooth voice
“Let’s get a little bit of tension in here,” LPL muses as he raises the gun to the hostage’s head. A smirk dances below his calm, unwavering eyes which dare the SWAT team to make the first move.
You weren’t kidding, those stronger magnets made a huge difference! Also thanks for the shoutout! :D Also, fantastic overview of the history. I was unaware that these were related to the miracle padlocks.
Yup... switching to the stronger magnets made a big difference. Perfect tension while “raking” the mag pins stopped being so critical. And thanks for your video, which definitely gave me a good start on this lock. 👍
Rare earth magnets were developed in the 70's and 80's (Neodynium in the 80's), so it seems unfair to pick it with future-tech that wasn't available at the time.
Another case of not just the lock getting gutted. Anyone from the now defunct ‘miracle lock’ company must be feeling pretty gutted too. I’m getting increasingly impressed by your skill set and ability to manipulate your way through pretty much any lock.
If "Magnetic" wasn't written on the body itself, noone would have been able to realize the magnetic pins. Therefore it could have been a lot more secure. But you know, it's all woulda coulda shoulda... Edit: Also if someone, who gets close enough to the key to find out it's magnetic, would probably also have put it into a mold or something to copy it, so... :)
It wouldn't make it that much more secure, because security through obscurity is bad security. And honestly, when it comes to picking, either you know how to spot and deal with magnetic pins, or (more likely) your don't. As is, these are next to impossible to pick in the field unless you have done a ton of research beforehand or come in extremely well prepared.
Vanity may be part of that company's undoing. The print on the lock alerts the picker that he/she is dealing with a magnetic lock and knowing such is a big step toward success. No knowing could really be a frustrating experience.
@@picramidethe magnets are obvious on the key, but as LPL said, the holes for the magnetic pins dont reach into the keyway, so if it didnt say "magnetic" on the front, someone trying to get in would have no idea.
@@2MeterLP Isn't the odd and ginormous keyway more than a bit of a giveaway? Plus, it's well known that security thru obscurity is bogus. Its magnetic aspect would be out of the bag in no time.
@@2MeterLP my apologies. I thought you'd replied with a restatement of your original points. Apparently you didn't, or else you deleted it. In any case, to the original point, an enormously fat keyway with no warding screams "magnetic" to me, even if it's not printed on the lock.
I know this is old and all, and I don't know if he did explain this later on, but a false set (from what I can tell) just means that the core rotated into one of the gaps of those upper mushroom pins rather than between the pins, which can usually be felt when you're experienced because you'd feel the metal hit against the pin rather than sliding past like it would on a normal set.
It means the core is slightly rotated but is still unturnable meaning some pins are partially or fully set and there is a high likelyhood for security pins
I recently picked my first American keyway with spool pins and I used a piece of of paper that was creased so the pins/springs wouldn't roll away, a far cry from that nice tray with your name on it. Looks great! Keep up the awesome videos.
In 2001 I installed four Miwa magnetic locks using the same idea but narrower key way. I did it not for security, (though it would’ve be relatively pick-resistant, since no one but a flat-out expert locksmith or collector would know how it worked), but rather because the key was “zero insertion force”. The key just glided in like butter! My Miwa has 7 magnets on the top and bottom edge of the key. It could still be picked using a single magnet to determine polarities, and then making a faux key with the proper magnets, but you first had to have access to the key to make something that was precise enough in order to locate your replicated magnets. There’s a UA-cam video I saw demonstrating the above technique.
It’s been a while but im so glad that you are finally getting alot of traction which you deserved. and also to add that even though I was not interested in lock picking your videos is always satisfying to watch.
Idk why I watch your videos but I click every one I see, you just have a great voice so I can chill on the couch with these playing in the background. You get my views and I get some relaxing background noise
I can see the overlift protection works by physically stopping the pins from being raised above a certain amount, but given the picker wants an accurate alignment along the split line between the core and the case, why is it needed?
3:40 Wow. This the first time I've noticed those tweezers. I have to get that head design. Those are awesome for resistors diodes and other tiny components in tight spaces. I have like 20 sets. How do I not have these already. Cool lock too :-) -Jake
That’s pretty cool! I wanted to see in the bible and how the magnetic pins set in it. Tighten up the keyway and it’d be a biatch to pick. Love the strange locks of the past. Great video.
I get the same sensation watching these as I do when I watch competitive cooking shows. I'm no chef and I'm no locksmith, and yet... "What a dimwit! Underwhipped the meringue again?!" "Rookie mistake making the keyway large enough for a magnetic rake. Tsk tsk."
The evva MCS actually uses magnets placed "sideways", so both a North and a South are presented to their pairs in the lock, they rotate the magnets in the lock to match. If you're remove the key quickly, you can often hear them spinning on the inside.
I did not know before algorithm brought me here many times over that I really like seeing locks for mechanical "programming" and security. I agree a lot that companies making electronical locks should take notes or even outright collaborate with lock companies that have people who think about physical security a lot better, and I've seen already many talks in hacker culture related conventions about physical penetration testing, and one talk just about "internet of things locks" going through many products and talking about general lack of physical penetration mitigation.
His will I’ll give this 2000 locks to my children 1000 locks will be given to charities 1000 locks will be given to my Wife Give away 1000 locks to his subscribers
Great video as always. I think magnets are fine for cabinet doors but sometimes locks take alot of phyisical abuse in the form of shocks. Magnets lose strength if heated or impacted. Therefore they are not my first choice in lock cylinders.
This would be much harder to pick if the tolerances were reversed, with the magnets hitting their sheer line in between or after the mushroom bits were set. Would make it almost impossible to rake them while holding tension on the core to keep the pins from falling.
Since LPL is such an expert I normally wouldn’t disagree with him but this seems like it would have been a highly effective lock at the time it was produced.
You aren't the only one, at least I wasn't interested when I started, now I have lock picks and the start of a collection. Not that I'm any good at picking them. Escape while you can!
Neodymium magnets were not invented until 1982. I wonder if a rake made with magnets from 1970 would have the strength to overcome tensioning of the plug and set the internal magnets.
@@ianitor it seems to me that with neo magnets you could make the key and the keyway much thinner which would make a magnetic rake more difficult to use. Or, their strength might even allow more warding in the keyway as the in-key magnets could be machined along with the key blank to follow the necessary counter of the key. Also, there might be ways to position the magnets at different points - for example the magnets on the left could be higher than those on the right which also could also make using a magnetic rake more difficult.
@@ianitor Those magnets had to go completely through the key and be very thick to work (hence the wide keyway). Putting that kind of magnet on the outside of a rake wouldn't have fit.
My dad had a different magnetic lock. It looked like a smooth cased padlock. The bottom of the lock took a magnetic key that laid flat on the bottom, maybe inch and a half long, half inch wide, and an arch on the end opposite the fob hole. So you would lay the key flat on the bottom of the lock and rotate the key with the bottom of the lock on an axis with one side of the padlock, I believe. About a quarter inch of the lock would swing out and the padlock would open. It just said "magnetic lock" on the lock. Not sure who made it or how secure it was, but it was hefty and rather interesting.
I think the expense of the keys and their relative fragility was more likely the reason the military wouldn't have adopted this core. Cool lock. Love the show.
How do the magnetic pins reset and hold the cylinder in place after the key is removed? There are no return springs to push them out. Is there a magnet inside the lock body to make them return or does the alternating magnetic pattern from the key being removed push the magnets outwards?
People might want to be careful with old things like this that need magnets of particular strength or polarity. Depending on the age and application, they're likely one of several AlNiCo materials. The big weakness of this material is very low intrinsic coercivity. It takes very little applied field to demagnetize them or change their polarization. That's part of why old AlNiCo horseshoe magnets have a keeper bar. NdFeB magnets can easily demagnetize or alter an AlNiCo magnet depending on the geometry of the scenario. I've had to remagnetize waaaay too many fuze generator magnets to treat AlNiCo materials incautiously.
LPL... can you do a review of the Brinks Model 101-45091? It's marketed as a House Key padlock that can be rekeyed, and it includes a cheap key decoder and pins. I found the keyway blocked and the guts are actually spools, too. Brinks states this is their "Max" security index lock. Thank you for the videos!!!
This is a great idea, with bad execution. If you make the magnetic pins a touch thinner, they wouldn't set when magnetic racking and you would have to tension and pick the normal pins first. With a few serations and threads on the magnetic pins, they would get stuck once under tension and would be stuck. Lock would be completely unpickable.
I would love to see you take on one of those super fancy austrian rotating magnet locks, I'm not sure how you'd manipulate them, but I bet you & Bill could whip something up if you really want.
I have the same 3 locks and the NOS Miracle Magnetic mortise cylinder in the same box with Certificate -- You must have gotten from same seller (who said it was the last one 6 months ago) -- This is 3rd picking on UA-cam of this lock, and yours was the fastest with your magnetic "cheater bar", nice! An Interesting Lock in any case; perhaps not quite as rare as I thought! You forgot to mention that the steel bars on the sides of the cylinder attract the magnetic pins into blocking the shearline when the key is withdrawn.
Agreed. It was definitely a mistake not to mention the steel bars... I’ve answered several comments asking how the magnets return. As for where I got it... eBay about 6+ months ago sounds about right.
Interesting! Never even heard of a magnetic lock/keys... I guess if you had your (magnetic) keys next to your modern smartphone, it wouldn't throw off your GPS, but could affect your compass apps? Even a small/weak magnet can affect something like a lensatic compass. Great video!
Would have been nice to see Key back into plug and insert magnets to correct polarity. Wrong polarity would have pushed pins back out. Have messed with Card Lock Co's card reader, magnets fell out, had to insert 1 by 1 to correct polarity. Have idea of magnetic field viewing card. Don't want to expose possible weakness. Bet you know what could be done. Keep up the Good Work
Are there magnetic counter parts in the housing? I didn't fully understand how the magnetic mechanism worked but I guess that different polarity setting on the pins and housings counter part keep the lock locked up, right?
What if a lock maker made a lock similar to this one but had weaker counter-magnets behind the magnetic that acted similar to the springs on the regular pins, but could alternate between pushing and pulling depending on the polarity of the pin? The benefit would be that you would have to go through the same bind and set process as the regular pins, but now you can't (easily) tell which pin is binding, and it is much more difficult to change the amount of force applied, increasing the difficulty to set the pin
@LPL Is there a mechanism which makes the magnetic pins want to spring back to their original positions straddling the shear line? Perhaps another magnet (presumably weaker or more insulated) or steel strip somewhere in the lock body attracting the pins when a key isn't inserted? If not, couldn't you 'pick' those pins without neodymium magnets just using a steel rod to attract them all at the beginning without any tension? It would only be the action of withdrawing the key that would scramble them back over the shear lines in normal use. Depending on the type of magnets used, they could be demagnetised using heat (hot, but not hot enough to melt any of the metals). They might then be pickable by bumping the lock once everything has cooled down.
Thank you for your very educational and important videos! Do you have a video on abloy deadbolt? secondly, do you do videos on electronic access deadbolt locks? I have failed to locate those on your channel. Any and every help is much appreciated.
Decoding the magnets on the key itself would be very easy, but then, one would still need to set the internal magnets for the false gate by making a proper magnetic probe... seems the rake served the purpose fairly well, and an easy pick otherwise...
What would you say would make a magnetic lock good? Maybe some design that used spring loaded key pins pushing away from the keyway used with non-magnetic driver pins in the pinholes?
honestly, since watching your videos, i've learned to leave my shed unlocked, leave my bike unlocked, and leave my house unlocked. :-( the money i saved not buying locks i have invested in high-yield stocks that will pay for the things i lose by leaving things unsecured.
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Thanks, never will I feel safe again after finding this channel.
I sure dont. I dont any lock anymore he opens so many so quickly
If it makes you feel any better... 98% of break ins are not due to lock manipulation... a broken window is a much lower skill attack and also quicker- so your shitty lock is irrelevant
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1)Put the cylinder into a lock body that doesnt say magnetic on it.
2)Replace two of the pins with pieces of bead chain.
3)Send it to BB as a challenge lock.
4)Sit back and laugh as he tries to pick it.
You’re evil. I like that.
5) pick your jaw up off the floor after you watch the LPL figure out your dastardly deeds and open the lock anyway after about 2 minutes
@@ke6gwf I suggested for him to do it and send it as a challenge to BB(BosnianBill).
A couple bead chain sections in the place of a couple pins will make a lock almost unpickable/rakeable.
/r/foundsatan
@K D cuz he dumb af
if it wasnt so obviously labelled as magnetic. Imagine someone in the field picking over and over and it just wouldnt open
I wonder if you can feel the magnets if your pick is ferromagnetic; would be a dead giveaway in that case.
Would you just carry tiny magnets on you?
I was thinking the same thing, remove the magnetic branding, perhaps change the implementation of the magnetic pins a bit, and the result should be a high security lock...
@@HeimoVN Then it's just security by obscurity, which isn't what you want. The keyway is also pretty unique, and so easy to spot.
@@Cloaked1000 obscurity is decent security though. If the picker doesnt know what hes doing wrong, he cant improve.
No idea why but i love your videos, i have no experience or interests in lockpicking but your i love watching your vids. One reason might be the smooth voice
Ikr, its just relaxing watching LPL Vids
you should start picking. it's a very useful skill.
@@gamewarrior666 Iam more a programmer and electrical engineer. But its usefull indeed
It’s nice to have a UA-camr not constantly screaming into a microphone
Same lol his voice is so reassuring
“Let’s get a little bit of tension in here,” LPL muses as he raises the gun to the hostage’s head. A smirk dances below his calm, unwavering eyes which dare the SWAT team to make the first move.
Profile pic anime name?
can't resist adding the company slogan : "If it stops a break-in, it's a Miracle!"
You weren’t kidding, those stronger magnets made a huge difference! Also thanks for the shoutout! :D
Also, fantastic overview of the history. I was unaware that these were related to the miracle padlocks.
Credit where credit is due.
Yup... switching to the stronger magnets made a big difference. Perfect tension while “raking” the mag pins stopped being so critical. And thanks for your video, which definitely gave me a good start on this lock. 👍
Rare earth magnets were developed in the 70's and 80's (Neodynium in the 80's), so it seems unfair to pick it with future-tech that wasn't available at the time.
That’s fair. Never considered that. 👍
Yeah but with a coil of wire and a battery and a switch you could easily make any ordinary pick into a much much more powerful magnetic rake.
That's what I was going to say. The type of magnets he's using weren't available at the time these were in production.
@@IIAOPSW Making it TOO powerful would be counterproductive.
@@IIAOPSW You wouldn't have an alternating polarity throughout the shaft like he did, though.
This is becoming my favorite channel against my will. I don't care about locks or picking, but I can't stop watching vids!
Another case of not just the lock getting gutted. Anyone from the now defunct ‘miracle lock’ company must be feeling pretty gutted too. I’m getting increasingly impressed by your skill set and ability to manipulate your way through pretty much any lock.
If "Magnetic" wasn't written on the body itself, noone would have been able to realize the magnetic pins. Therefore it could have been a lot more secure. But you know, it's all woulda coulda shoulda...
Edit: Also if someone, who gets close enough to the key to find out it's magnetic, would probably also have put it into a mold or something to copy it, so... :)
Thank you
if you're in the business of picking locks you'd probably recognize the make and model depending on your level of experience.
I suppose in a real world situation, with a picker not ready for it, seeing "magnetic" might be read as don't bother and try next door.
It wouldn't make it that much more secure, because security through obscurity is bad security. And honestly, when it comes to picking, either you know how to spot and deal with magnetic pins, or (more likely) your don't. As is, these are next to impossible to pick in the field unless you have done a ton of research beforehand or come in extremely well prepared.
"I'm the strongest person who can lift a car whilst using a crane, please don't take my crane, i won't be able to lift the car". Classic stupidity.
You are slowly building a cult of master burglars with pick 100
Must have been the wind... What was that?! Must be my imagination...
LOCKPICKING 100
First rule of Pick club, you do no talk of Pick club.
Well, he's a lawyer.
What he is doing, is building his client base.
Karma -10
I’m a low skill lock picker, and watching your videos is humbling and fascinating. I hope you feel proud; you should!
Vanity may be part of that company's undoing. The print on the lock alerts the picker that he/she is dealing with a magnetic lock and knowing such is a big step toward success. No knowing could really be a frustrating experience.
Wouldn't you say the magnets were fairly obvious? Wouldn't really be fooling anyone. Meanwhile they'd miss the advertising angle.
@@picramidethe magnets are obvious on the key, but as LPL said, the holes for the magnetic pins dont reach into the keyway, so if it didnt say "magnetic" on the front, someone trying to get in would have no idea.
@@2MeterLP Isn't the odd and ginormous keyway more than a bit of a giveaway? Plus, it's well known that security thru obscurity is bogus. Its magnetic aspect would be out of the bag in no time.
@@picramide ok, I did, and now?
@@2MeterLP my apologies. I thought you'd replied with a restatement of your original points. Apparently you didn't, or else you deleted it. In any case, to the original point, an enormously fat keyway with no warding screams "magnetic" to me, even if it's not printed on the lock.
A beautiful dissection. I have no interest in lock picking but something is satisfying to watch and listen to LPL share his passion.
Can we get a video explaining some of the jargon? Such as what is a false set? Some of this mystifies me as much as the dentist terminology.
I know this is old and all, and I don't know if he did explain this later on, but a false set (from what I can tell) just means that the core rotated into one of the gaps of those upper mushroom pins rather than between the pins, which can usually be felt when you're experienced because you'd feel the metal hit against the pin rather than sliding past like it would on a normal set.
It means the core is slightly rotated but is still unturnable meaning some pins are partially or fully set and there is a high likelyhood for security pins
My friend Google answers all my questions. You should get a friend like him too
This was an easy pick because of your magnetic personality, LPL. 😎
Cheesy. Lol
I recently picked my first American keyway with spool pins and I used a piece of of paper that was creased so the pins/springs wouldn't roll away, a far cry from that nice tray with your name on it. Looks great! Keep up the awesome videos.
In 2001 I installed four Miwa magnetic locks using the same idea but narrower key way. I did it not for security, (though it would’ve be relatively pick-resistant, since no one but a flat-out expert locksmith or collector would know how it worked), but rather because the key was “zero insertion force”. The key just glided in like butter! My Miwa has 7 magnets on the top and bottom edge of the key. It could still be picked using a single magnet to determine polarities, and then making a faux key with the proper magnets, but you first had to have access to the key to make something that was precise enough in order to locate your replicated magnets.
There’s a UA-cam video I saw demonstrating the above technique.
It’s been a while but im so glad that you are finally getting alot of traction which you deserved. and also to add that even though I was not interested in lock picking your videos is always satisfying to watch.
Idk why I watch your videos but I click every one I see, you just have a great voice so I can chill on the couch with these playing in the background. You get my views and I get some relaxing background noise
Its still an impressive lock. A lot of thought went into it's design. I love the overlift rod idea.
I can see the overlift protection works by physically stopping the pins from being raised above a certain amount, but given the picker wants an accurate alignment along the split line between the core and the case, why is it needed?
Thank you for sharing this unique lock and your approach to defeating it.
i have watched like 30 of this guy's videos tonight, and now i really wanna play skyrim...
Love the old locks. Keep featuring them.
"50 years ago..."
"started in 1970..."
HEY, THATS NOT 50 YEARS AGO... omg... it is. UGH I'M OLD.
Half a century
@The GunMaster ok zoomer
we're closer to 2050 than 1990
@@750tiprogamer woah shit
Me too bro.
You never Cease to impress me MrL.P.L Very well done
Thanks... ps- UA-cam is still sending your comments to spam.
@@lockpickinglawyer What can i do ?
3:40
Wow. This the first time I've noticed those tweezers. I have to get that head design. Those are awesome for resistors diodes and other tiny components in tight spaces. I have like 20 sets. How do I not have these already.
Cool lock too :-)
-Jake
Just google search "Pinning Tweezers" and you'll find tons of styles and manufacturers.
That’s pretty cool!
I wanted to see in the bible and how the magnetic pins set in it.
Tighten up the keyway and it’d be a biatch to pick.
Love the strange locks of the past. Great video.
I dont know if it's his voice or the satisfying metal clink sounds, but this guy's videos are incredibly relaxing
back then it would have been harder to get hold of those tiny strong magnets
Yup... particularly because they hadn’t been invented yet. ☹️ I didn’t know that until it was pointed out by another commenter.
LockPickingLawyer Maybe a few loops of transformer wire with an AC current flow, would have done the same.
@@RuneInternational Or do you in if you touch it wrong...
@@RuneInternational how could you obtain multiple sites of opposite magnetic polarities within a single inch that way?
I get the same sensation watching these as I do when I watch competitive cooking shows. I'm no chef and I'm no locksmith, and yet...
"What a dimwit! Underwhipped the meringue again?!"
"Rookie mistake making the keyway large enough for a magnetic rake. Tsk tsk."
A lock using differing strengths of magnets as well a polarities for encoding would be interesting.
The evva MCS actually uses magnets placed "sideways", so both a North and a South are presented to their pairs in the lock, they rotate the magnets in the lock to match. If you're remove the key quickly, you can often hear them spinning on the inside.
I did not know before algorithm brought me here many times over that I really like seeing locks for mechanical "programming" and security.
I agree a lot that companies making electronical locks should take notes or even outright collaborate with lock companies that have people who think about physical security a lot better, and I've seen already many talks in hacker culture related conventions about physical penetration testing, and one talk just about "internet of things locks" going through many products and talking about general lack of physical penetration mitigation.
Very interesting lock ,would be nice to see what some better planning and execution would do to make it more secure. Great review brother!
I never knew locks could be so damn fascinating! Love this channel!
Wow..that is a beautiful lock. I collect the mortice rim cylinders and this would look lovely mounted in my board
Hey lawyer, how many locks do you have in total.
I wanna know too
Too much.
His will
I’ll give this 2000 locks to my children
1000 locks will be given to charities
1000 locks will be given to my Wife
Give away 1000 locks to his subscribers
@@-ZH Um no. By law, his wife already owns half his locks.
Probably less than 10. The rest is just destroyed/in thousand pieces 😀
Awesome video as always! Loved that branded tray you showed off in this video. Looks great :)
Damn, these ASMR videos are becoming better and better.
Your videos shatter my sense of safety
Your channel has been picking up steam. :-) No lock is safe with you around. LOL
electronicsNmore PICKING up steam
It's like watching a dentist work, going around the mouth counting teeth!
I just ordered my first lock pick set today. You influenced this lol.
Makes you wonder if there are a few of these still floating around in doors somewhere.
They should have paid the bills! 😂Well ahead of its time as its current tec
Outside your house at 2 in the morning:
"Click out of one. Click out of two. Three is binding. Click out of 4, and click out of five. We're in!"
His voice could be used for a lottery. Hella satisfying
Great video as always.
I think magnets are fine for cabinet doors but sometimes locks take alot of phyisical abuse in the form of shocks. Magnets lose strength if heated or impacted. Therefore they are not my first choice in lock cylinders.
This would be much harder to pick if the tolerances were reversed, with the magnets hitting their sheer line in between or after the mushroom bits were set. Would make it almost impossible to rake them while holding tension on the core to keep the pins from falling.
I agree, with today’s technology, tiny neodymium magnets, and with tight tolerances. A lock like this could be very hard to pick.
I would love to see you put the lock back together again.
Yes pls
Joscha Schultze
I bet you have to have the key in cylinder to reassemble it.
Play the video in reverse lol
I would like to see those armory locks picked sometime, espically the Evva, it has a very interesting key.
Please make a lock picking tutorial! I love seeing you doing this and i want to try this on a some locks that i have lying around
Since LPL is such an expert I normally wouldn’t disagree with him but this seems like it would have been a highly effective lock at the time it was produced.
I Dont know why im watching this it's one of those things u would never think to be this interesting. That's said been loving it videos keep em coming
Your channel is very informative and fun to watch. You're amazing. I love your videos! Thank you so much!
Burglar: Yesss!! I knew this handful of tiny magnets would come in handy eventually!
Despite what some said, the wide keyway seems to scream “magnetic” but I’m a newby. Always impressed by your skills.
I have no interest in lock picking or locks... Yet here I am regularly watching these videos. WHY?!
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
You aren't the only one, at least I wasn't interested when I started, now I have lock picks and the start of a collection. Not that I'm any good at picking them. Escape while you can!
It's nice to see an expert doing their thing.
Neodymium magnets were not invented until 1982. I wonder if a rake made with magnets from 1970 would have the strength to overcome tensioning of the plug and set the internal magnets.
they had whatever magnets were in the key... Wouldn't those be strong enough?
@@ianitor it seems to me that with neo magnets you could make the key and the keyway much thinner which would make a magnetic rake more difficult to use. Or, their strength might even allow more warding in the keyway as the in-key magnets could be machined along with the key blank to follow the necessary counter of the key. Also, there might be ways to position the magnets at different points - for example the magnets on the left could be higher than those on the right which also could also make using a magnetic rake more difficult.
@@ianitor Those magnets had to go completely through the key and be very thick to work (hence the wide keyway). Putting that kind of magnet on the outside of a rake wouldn't have fit.
Brass bar with holes in it will fit same size and type of magnets as the actual key. So also a rake could have been made back then i assume.
While requiring a more complex and specialised pick, with electricity you could create a strong enough magnetic field without rare earth magnets.
My dad had a different magnetic lock. It looked like a smooth cased padlock. The bottom of the lock took a magnetic key that laid flat on the bottom, maybe inch and a half long, half inch wide, and an arch on the end opposite the fob hole. So you would lay the key flat on the bottom of the lock and rotate the key with the bottom of the lock on an axis with one side of the padlock, I believe. About a quarter inch of the lock would swing out and the padlock would open. It just said "magnetic lock" on the lock. Not sure who made it or how secure it was, but it was hefty and rather interesting.
I think the expense of the keys and their relative fragility was more likely the reason the military wouldn't have adopted this core. Cool lock. Love the show.
How do the magnetic pins reset and hold the cylinder in place after the key is removed? There are no return springs to push them out. Is there a magnet inside the lock body to make them return or does the alternating magnetic pattern from the key being removed push the magnets outwards?
these videos are somehow perfect for a coffee break
People might want to be careful with old things like this that need magnets of particular strength or polarity. Depending on the age and application, they're likely one of several AlNiCo materials.
The big weakness of this material is very low intrinsic coercivity. It takes very little applied field to demagnetize them or change their polarization. That's part of why old AlNiCo horseshoe magnets have a keeper bar. NdFeB magnets can easily demagnetize or alter an AlNiCo magnet depending on the geometry of the scenario.
I've had to remagnetize waaaay too many fuze generator magnets to treat AlNiCo materials incautiously.
That's funny, I was bidding against you on this. I'm glad you got it!
How long ago? I’ve had this for a while.
@@lockpickinglawyer I think it was just a few weeks ago, maybe it wasn't the same one. Looked identical with box and all.
Wasn’t me. 🤷🏻♂️
@@lockpickinglawyer meh, maybe I should have fought a little harder for it then lol definitely a cool lock for the collection.
LPL... can you do a review of the Brinks Model 101-45091? It's marketed as a House Key padlock that can be rekeyed, and it includes a cheap key decoder and pins. I found the keyway blocked and the guts are actually spools, too. Brinks states this is their "Max" security index lock. Thank you for the videos!!!
Do a video on the padlocks you showed in the beginning.thank you
This is a great idea, with bad execution. If you make the magnetic pins a touch thinner, they wouldn't set when magnetic racking and you would have to tension and pick the normal pins first. With a few serations and threads on the magnetic pins, they would get stuck once under tension and would be stuck. Lock would be completely unpickable.
Very interesting lock. Looks like the one ChemicalRobot was getting rid of, such a cool lock!
I would love to see you take on one of those super fancy austrian rotating magnet locks, I'm not sure how you'd manipulate them, but I bet you & Bill could whip something up if you really want.
I want to see that micerial pad lock with the eva key , up close a personal !
I have the same 3 locks and the NOS Miracle Magnetic mortise cylinder in the same box with Certificate -- You must have gotten from same seller (who said it was the last one 6 months ago) -- This is 3rd picking on UA-cam of this lock, and yours was the fastest with your magnetic "cheater bar", nice! An Interesting Lock in any case; perhaps not quite as rare as I thought! You forgot to mention that the steel bars on the sides of the cylinder attract the magnetic pins into blocking the shearline when the key is withdrawn.
Agreed. It was definitely a mistake not to mention the steel bars... I’ve answered several comments asking how the magnets return.
As for where I got it... eBay about 6+ months ago sounds about right.
Interesting! Never even heard of a magnetic lock/keys... I guess if you had your (magnetic) keys next to your modern smartphone, it wouldn't throw off your GPS, but could affect your compass apps? Even a small/weak magnet can affect something like a lensatic compass. Great video!
Where are the equivalent of the driver pins and how does that part work exactly?
Would have been nice to see Key back into plug and insert magnets to correct polarity. Wrong polarity would have pushed pins back out.
Have messed with Card Lock Co's card reader, magnets fell out, had to insert 1 by 1 to correct polarity. Have idea of magnetic field viewing card. Don't want to expose possible weakness. Bet you know what could be done. Keep up the Good Work
Overlift attacks. You could go over old timey techniques and or try opening locks with them.
Are there magnetic counter parts in the housing? I didn't fully understand how the magnetic mechanism worked but I guess that different polarity setting on the pins and housings counter part keep the lock locked up, right?
on some of these more 'interesting locks, i would love to see you putting them back together.
I do remember this lock. My step-father was into locksmithing and maybe he had one.
What if a lock maker made a lock similar to this one but had weaker counter-magnets behind the magnetic that acted similar to the springs on the regular pins, but could alternate between pushing and pulling depending on the polarity of the pin? The benefit would be that you would have to go through the same bind and set process as the regular pins, but now you can't (easily) tell which pin is binding, and it is much more difficult to change the amount of force applied, increasing the difficulty to set the pin
Thats a great idea for a lock/key... Pretty original
going to store my secret micro sd in side a lock coz it takes longer to disassemble it then picking open the door
After watching a bunch of your videos I feel like I want to start every conversation with "okay let's get a little bit of tension in here"
Locks: *exists*
LPL: *Imma end this mans career*
A nearly 7 minute video is highly unusual for LPL
Not so much when the title says gutted. Those are always longer while taking it apart and discussing it.
@LPL Is there a mechanism which makes the magnetic pins want to spring back to their original positions straddling the shear line? Perhaps another magnet (presumably weaker or more insulated) or steel strip somewhere in the lock body attracting the pins when a key isn't inserted? If not, couldn't you 'pick' those pins without neodymium magnets just using a steel rod to attract them all at the beginning without any tension? It would only be the action of withdrawing the key that would scramble them back over the shear lines in normal use.
Depending on the type of magnets used, they could be demagnetised using heat (hot, but not hot enough to melt any of the metals). They might then be pickable by bumping the lock once everything has cooled down.
Thank you for your very educational and important videos! Do you have a video on abloy deadbolt? secondly, do you do videos on electronic access deadbolt locks? I have failed to locate those on your channel. Any and every help is much appreciated.
It's a miracle that you got it new in box 📦 complete
Great content, as always. Keep it up, LPL
Decoding the magnets on the key itself would be very easy, but then, one would still need to set the internal magnets for the false gate by making a proper magnetic probe... seems the rake served the purpose fairly well, and an easy pick otherwise...
I bet every time this guy makes a transaction at a local store, he picks a lock on his wallet just to show off.😉
LPL picked it in about one minute, but my guess is that this lock would be unpickable for about 99.99% of thieves!
What would you say would make a magnetic lock good? Maybe some design that used spring loaded key pins pushing away from the keyway used with non-magnetic driver pins in the pinholes?
That is a interesting video!
Also not a bad lock for the 70s
Crazy rim cylinder. I would be blown away if I found one out on a job. If I didnt know any better I'd have to break out the drill. Time is money
I guess there’s no lock out there which is truly unpickable
There are quite a few that he hasn't been able to pick. Watch his video on nasty keyways.
What this lock needed is a key way like the EVVA GPI lock to be successful.
You made the magnetic pins out to be some sort of minor inconvenience. LOL
honestly, since watching your videos, i've learned to leave my shed unlocked, leave my bike unlocked, and leave my house unlocked. :-( the money i saved not buying locks i have invested in high-yield stocks that will pay for the things i lose by leaving things unsecured.
Okay as long you don't mind having people move in whole your not home..