And *that* is a good explanation of why I feel iffy when people correct others when calling bonobos "chimps", they might as well be a species of chimp!
This may not be a 1:1, but Horses and Donkeys are different species, put them together and you get a mule, but the mule cannot reproduce. What make chimps and bonobos different species is the same reason.
@@thejoevandotcom I get they are different species, I just mean that, like gorillas, orangutans and even genus Homo to an extent, we should be able to refer to both panines as "chimpanzees", and to the species as "common chimpanzees" and "bonobos".
@thejoevandotcom bonobos are the pygmy/gracile chimpanzee and chimpanzee are the common robust chimpanzee. There are two species of chimps. Chimpanzee is a genus (pan is short for chimpanzee) like how homo habilis and homo sapien are both human (homo) but different species
ChatGPT is really baaaad while dealing with groups, their names, relationships and overall "tree structure" logic. I mean absolutely oblivious and idiotic at this point.
I think it's because of how we call the species, all orangutan and gorilla species are just called gorillas and orangutans, but chimps and bonobos have different names.
I’m an anthropologist and I recently did an honors thesis on the topic of great ape taxonomy and I argued that humans, chimpanzees, bonobos, and gorillas should be grouped in the same genus based on the genetic and morphological similarities comparative to how other organisms are grouped, and based on how messy our speciation was over the span of 8 million years. Full distinct speciation between groups colloquially referred to as humans, chimpanzees, and gorillas did not occur until 3-5 million years ago despite two splits occurring between 6-8 million years ago. It is also looking to be the case that our common ancestors were bipedal.
@@Lvestfold4143 that’s amazing! My hat goes off to you and all others in the anthropology field. As a mere pedestrian and primate fan, I’m curious to think of the bipedal nature of our species cousins knowing that they have similar feet to orangutans, curling sideways, or is it less extreme?
@@thejoevandotcom thank you. Their feet are less extreme when compared to orangutans. Given the terrestrial nature of human and gorillas our feet are slightly more similar to each other than either are to chimpanzee feet. Ardipithecus dated around 4-6 million years ago is often grouped exclusively as a part of the human lineage of bipedal apes, but they have feet more similar to orangutans than to the Homo-Pan-Gorilla trichotomy. This indicates that the closing of the metatarsals was slow and gradual. This type of primate foot is called a metatarsal break, and in fact 8% of humans retain this trait. There are a lot of gross generalizations made about humanity such as foot shape, cranial size, and bipedalism that tries to argue exceptionalism for our species rather than noticing that traits vary by individuals across the ape spectrum. Our taxonomic groupings are less a hard science and more of a social construct. Excluding Pan and Gorilla species from our genus isn’t found in the evidence but in our desire to make our species seem more unique than what we actually are. We’re more closely related to gorillas than what horses are to zebras yet horses and zebras are both grouped within the genus Equus.
@@Lvestfold4143 thank you for your insights, a good read. And yes, similar to weeds, nothing biological makes a weed a weed, we just don’t like certain plants in certain places. I know speciation is determined by the ability to reproduce and your offspring to reproduce, but I never knew the factors that went into genus classification. Turns out not much 😲
Gutsick Gibbon mentioned 🔥
Also this is a great video, thanks.
And *that* is a good explanation of why I feel iffy when people correct others when calling bonobos "chimps", they might as well be a species of chimp!
This may not be a 1:1, but Horses and Donkeys are different species, put them together and you get a mule, but the mule cannot reproduce. What make chimps and bonobos different species is the same reason.
@@thejoevandotcom I get they are different species, I just mean that, like gorillas, orangutans and even genus Homo to an extent, we should be able to refer to both panines as "chimpanzees", and to the species as "common chimpanzees" and "bonobos".
@thejoevandotcom bonobos are the pygmy/gracile chimpanzee and chimpanzee are the common robust chimpanzee. There are two species of chimps. Chimpanzee is a genus (pan is short for chimpanzee) like how homo habilis and homo sapien are both human (homo) but different species
It's because English doesn't have different words for the different species of orangutans and gorillas.
Good educational video. Great editing. Didn’t have me yawning and not too long. Good work
Glad you enjoyed it!
The Dutch aap is prenounced like: "Ahp" in English.
How it it pronounced in Dutch?
@@chesthoIe Like that
@@chesthoIeDutch accents are very similar English ones
I am entertained. Subbed!
I had Gutsick Gibbon on about a year ago to talk about the "Killer Ape Theory." Erika rocks!
Underrated channel fr
ChatGPT is really baaaad while dealing with groups, their names, relationships and overall "tree structure" logic. I mean absolutely oblivious and idiotic at this point.
best thing ive watched in awhile❤
I think it's because of how we call the species, all orangutan and gorilla species are just called gorillas and orangutans, but chimps and bonobos have different names.
@@TheRealGhebs yeah colloquially that’s gotta be the reason, but it’s time we switch it up!
hey man! this is great content and delivered in a super entertaining format! keep up the good work, this channel deserves so much more attention!!
Proud linné fan, I live by his house.
The DK64 music is peak choice
What, is there something wrong with the name Caesar?
All O gotta say is I hate that leaf footage. Disgusting trigger of trilophobia 🤣😭😖
This has kinda irked me too! I also expected this to be an old video with many views, but it's just a cool guy who likes apes. I like the video.
The banana council approves this video
loved this u should make more ape videos 🐒
@@andrewlizzies thanks 😊 I got more to come
There is no "n" in Sylvestris
There is also zero of them is this.
I’m an anthropologist and I recently did an honors thesis on the topic of great ape taxonomy and I argued that humans, chimpanzees, bonobos, and gorillas should be grouped in the same genus based on the genetic and morphological similarities comparative to how other organisms are grouped, and based on how messy our speciation was over the span of 8 million years. Full distinct speciation between groups colloquially referred to as humans, chimpanzees, and gorillas did not occur until 3-5 million years ago despite two splits occurring between 6-8 million years ago. It is also looking to be the case that our common ancestors were bipedal.
@@Lvestfold4143 that’s amazing! My hat goes off to you and all others in the anthropology field. As a mere pedestrian and primate fan, I’m curious to think of the bipedal nature of our species cousins knowing that they have similar feet to orangutans, curling sideways, or is it less extreme?
@@thejoevandotcom thank you. Their feet are less extreme when compared to orangutans. Given the terrestrial nature of human and gorillas our feet are slightly more similar to each other than either are to chimpanzee feet. Ardipithecus dated around 4-6 million years ago is often grouped exclusively as a part of the human lineage of bipedal apes, but they have feet more similar to orangutans than to the Homo-Pan-Gorilla trichotomy. This indicates that the closing of the metatarsals was slow and gradual. This type of primate foot is called a metatarsal break, and in fact 8% of humans retain this trait. There are a lot of gross generalizations made about humanity such as foot shape, cranial size, and bipedalism that tries to argue exceptionalism for our species rather than noticing that traits vary by individuals across the ape spectrum. Our taxonomic groupings are less a hard science and more of a social construct. Excluding Pan and Gorilla species from our genus isn’t found in the evidence but in our desire to make our species seem more unique than what we actually are. We’re more closely related to gorillas than what horses are to zebras yet horses and zebras are both grouped within the genus Equus.
@@Lvestfold4143 thank you for your insights, a good read. And yes, similar to weeds, nothing biological makes a weed a weed, we just don’t like certain plants in certain places. I know speciation is determined by the ability to reproduce and your offspring to reproduce, but I never knew the factors that went into genus classification. Turns out not much 😲
@@thejoevandotcom you’re welcome and thank you
Where does "our common ancestors were bipedal" statement comes from?
I thought ape names always started with La' or Qua'