Cupra Born surprises - Forget the MG4, Susan even prefers this to the Kia Soul which we ordered!
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- Опубліковано 13 січ 2023
- Finding the right car is hard, it's often the one outside your budget but for once a sensibly priced EV where I don't need lots of options or the top spec model to be happy.
This test drive proved 1) you need to drive them not just research on paper but 2) my wife if really hard to please and doesn't want to listen when somethi doesn't feel right to her.
The MG4 was a great option but at £32k it lost its value appeal to me.
The MG4 SE trim makes more sense but is too big a compromise.
The Cupra looked and felt good even in V1 trim.
Can honestly say I haven't driven a better EV since my Mini test. Cracking car with sensible range and features and very very comfortable
I like loud indicators so i know they are on. That's the point. Great video I am considering a cupra myself
This was hilarious, you'll get invited onto googglebox with more of these 😅. More Susan test drives please.
It’s nice seeing one of my daily routes from inside the Born!
I have an ID.3 which I love, same battery as the one you’re in there. Range varies but will be much better than the mini! However the mini is fantastic to drive. The Cupra is on much newer software than most ID.3’s on the road and most issues are now resolved so no worries there.
ID.3 waiting times are minimum 18months at the mo, but Borns tend to me much more readily available and their interior is far superior to the ID.3.
Go for the Born L2 if you can 😊
I have a Cupra Born on order, so enjoyed watching your review.
Snap 🤭🤫
Not surprised you like it, I love my Enyaq and this is basically the same thing in a smaller body. Delighted Susan loved it. I'd sell the e golf. Older tech, smaller battery.
Just watched both uploads back to back,thought both hilarious my wife is exactly the same. If I were changing my car it would be the Cupra or the Renault Megane my wife has a zoe and it's really nice.I would keep the mini and sell the golf,thanks once again for a great upload.
I think so too, mini stays over the Golf but you never know might let both go and use the bike more. Glad you liked the videos, they've been say waiting to be edited for ages
I love my Mini L3 and was really really disappointed by the ID3 I had for a weekend that I took it back after 24 hours - but the Cupra looks so much better quality inside than the ID3 and I was impressed with the efficiency you were able to achieve that I might now find the local Seat dealer and have a test drive …………. If it were my choice I would keep your Mini for those fun drives you might want to do and sell the E-Golf.
After owning a V2 Cupra born since June last year, there are plenty of things to like, but a few things that could be better. My only real dislikes are: no lighting on the heating/volume controls on the center screen, the my cupra app is terrible and buggy, I'd like a larger drivers speedo with more info on it and lastly, the fact it defaults to comfort mode on every startup rather than what I had it set to last. Likes: love how it drives, it's punchy when in performance mode, the head up display is great and also pleased with a good sized boot space. The touch controls take some getting used to, but I don't have a problem with them like other reviews go on about. Glad Susan enjoyed the test drive!
Non illuminated controls sounds like a bad over sight. Not really fair to sell a faulty product, software wise and not fix it in a year. Car manufacturers get away with too much
Valuable insight, thanks for sharing
We had a similar dilemma replacing our original MG ZS EV, and as you commented in the MG4 video the salesmen are always talking finance straight off. I suspect it may be a bit of a journey for you from Norwich, but what really helped us was a visit to the Arnold Clark Innovation Centre in Glasgow (there is another one in Stafford), where they have all of the different EV's available for test drives, and more importantly do not have salesmen on site. I contacted them with our shortlist of EV's that we wanted to test drive based on paper research and they lined up test drives in all of them, they didn't mind when we rejected one before even driving it because of the rear seat space, and we even looked at some of the models that we'd initially not been interested in on paper. After that I then bought the actual car from a dealer online without test driving with the dealer.
Susan of course. I thought the MG4 was pretty good. I did try out the top spec model. Horses for courses. My bottom line is I want an ev designed from bottom up, not converted from combustion engine models.
Prefer Susan. Brilliant approach to car reviews on UA-cam (as also demonstrated by Mr Ev, of course). Get your spouse/partner to do the driving / talking, whilst you are struggling to find your way round infotainment, big importance of relatively minor features etc. Actually reflects the real life experience of chosinģ a car for some of us.
You get what you pay for but the Cupra appears far more refined. However, I can't help thinking EV manufacturers are making a nice profit, thank you very much, compared to petrol cars.
We have had an ID.3 (same car) for over 2 years and love it. 58kW battery gives us about 250 miles in summer 180 winter.
Its not the same car! Setup very differently.
@@edc1569hardly... It's rear is a little lower and the suspension is set up to be more firm.
It uses the same battery in the exact same location on the same electric platform.
It uses the same motor and all internals.
It uses the same chassis .
Explain what you mean
ID.3 'warm over' version is already announced for Spring time. It's supposed to be a step in the right direction re interior quality and software... there's even rumours (wishful thinking?) that they are ditching the haptic feedback buttons! Nice video, and sympathies, I think my wife also has a pair of those 'blinkers' that Susan was wearing in the MG4. Still waiting for the Kia EV4 to be released myself... or we could play the long game and see if any of these new miracle battery chemistries come to fruition (4.5 years Kia warranty remaining on the Soul, so no rush I suppose).
I have a V2 58kwh E-Boost. I really like it. My average efficiency is 4.7 miles per KWh. More like 4 in the winter.
Sounds good to me
Yes, hot keys at the bottom can be configured. Also new cars on 3.1 and newer have that info on the driver screen.
Another interesting video lol ! If had to have id3 or born it’s would be born looks great , Could be expensive testing these cars lol . Thanks for the video
They're changing all the time and thankfully more cars are becoming of interest. So long as we not losing a fortune in depreciation I don't mind changing... Or upgrading to a better car.but yes restraint is needed as it's real money
Yer took wife just to test our 3 as she never been in one moving to local dealership just because it was near and idea for ride out on nice day as she always liked look of these etc and after test drive couldn’t get her out of it , it was like Susan in born look at this and that and wife said I don’t want to get back in Zoe I want this car lol 😂 so we brought it so was dear ride out lol
@@EVPuzzlevery true we looked at upgrading ours for long range in red as when we looked there was very little sensible price 3 about some as 1 year old for new money so we got the best one we could find for the money just coincidence it was the local one but even before the prices of ev dropped recently we as going to lose a good bit just to change few months later so we kept ours and it’s done all we need so far . There is always something better or you would like but sometimes head has to rule heart when your talking about good few £££
I bought a V2 vapor grey in June 2022 (standard free colour) and car has heated seats and heads up display which is brilliant ( you don't need to look at the speedo as its projected on the windscreen in front of the drive). These are standard things on the V2 (the V1 does not have heated seats or head up display). I bought a pre built car as the waiting list was 6 to 12 months in June 2022. I would spec Pilot pack as this gives you reverse cross traffic. Self parking on mine has never been used. Expect 2.6 mile per kWh in very cold weather but I got 4 miles per kWh last week in 7 to 9 degrees Celsius.
Souds good. Grey actually looks nice, red was my preferred colour
Enjoyed that reminds me of the fact that I can’t get my Hyundai kona back off my other half 😂😂
I have just sold my Kia EV6 of 14 months loved the car but got no where near the stated miles even in summer driving carefully and the cold kills them. Sold it for £2400 more than I paid for it and bought a nearly new Cupra Formentor Hybrid, nice cars. Guy who owned the Formentor before me traded it for one of these Cupra Borns.
Looks are subjective, still think the MG 4 far better looking car. Can't see why anyone would pay more for the cupra or the ID3
Because it's much better to drive, better interior, and is a quality build
I haven't taken the plunge yet , although I have test driven a free, but a born 2 is my current favourite, wouldn't be able to justify the v3. I've always had a seat after my mum always had VW's
I've just sold my E-Golf and buyed a Cupra Born :)
At 14:35 I find it useful to hear a different perspective from Susan and it gives you an opportunity to test the gadgets. 👍
im driving the Cupra Born now for 3.5 months ( 25K KM now) its a nice car ,my wife likes its, its ok the app sux, so does the stability of the infotainment
price /quality its very good though
im getting 20KWh/100KM in cold weather, in october it was 18 ( Long range, mostly 80KM/h up)
One big win for the Cupra / ID.3 over cars like the MG4 and the Soul is rear seat space and comfort. For starters, a centre armrest is a huge boom.
We ordered the 77kw V3 but still waiting after 5 months!
The Born is like an improved Golf, a great chassis to begin with, and lots of refinement. Like the battery capacity in the Born vs the MG - well worth the extra to get that car. i vote that you keep the Mini, and let the Golf go.
What a team 🤣😀👍
The HUD on the V3 is pretty cool. Still seems like a lot of money, you can get an Ionic 5 for that sort of money. Still still enjoying NigelNav!
I definitely prefer Susan, there are plenty of specification reviews available but Susan gives a real-world aspect to the review. experience.
Ha Ha. that’ll teach you, letting the boss make the decisions now……..very wise! Joking apart, that was a fun video. As to which car to keep, that depends on your use case: the mini is what I have, and as a second car, it’s great; almost a city sports car for the modern age. The Golf and the Cupra are no doubt more practical……but hey you’re only young once…..or was that twice?……
At least twice 👍
How did this feel to drive, especially over pot holes and bumps?
Happy wife Happy life
Hi Nigel/Susan, as the lease is ending soon on our Ioniq (and based on your video) we went and looked at the Cupra Born at our local dealership. We quite liked the styling but unfortunately we sat in it... and got straight out as we're not fans of the 'all black interior' 😲 We did ask if it came in lighter colour interiors, but no, the only option is all black apparently. So then we went and looked at the MG4. Exactly the same outcome 😭 I said to my other half i'd love a Mini EV, but am i right they only come in 3 door models.?
Yes 3dr until the huge new countryman comes out.
We found the interior did come in grey or black on the Cupra some interiors tooled too light grey for us. Funny eh?
Hi
I was just watching your Vlog on choosing the right companies to provide hardware and what you actually want from your solar system. I am also from an IT background in the finance industry ( of a lesser type dealing with Comms / UPS / Networks and desktop environments. I agree with most of your Vlog but wanted to start a conversation with you concerning Battery storage (you can never have too much :) ).
I have a less complicated system using a Solis 3.6 kw inverter and 14.4 kW of PylonTech US2000 batteries 6 x 2.4 kW. one thing that you sort of touched on in your vlog was longevity of batteries. If you are pulling 5kW from your stack, that's basically 1kW from each at that point in time, therefore the harder you run the batteries the shorter their life.
My question is where do you think the balance is. I think 1kW is high for this type of system. my calculation max draw 3.6kW (size of my inverter) over 6 batteries = 0.6kW draw per battery. so system runs cooler and batteries 'SHOULD' last longer. Also this lessens export from solar to the grid as I use around 10kWh a day and leaves more solar charging of the batteries. The kick on is that you need less power to charge overnight. Additionally during summer months excess power is exported to grid.
Would like to hear your views. thx Stevo
I'm 6"3, would I struggle for room in this car?
I currently drive a 2021 Audi A3 and find my legs are always trapped between the steering wheel and centre console / drivers door.
Impossible to know without trying, everyone is different including leg Vs body height
Wondering if it's time to say Welcome to the Tribe :-) sounded very likely from this vid. It's a cupra thing! Did Susan push her foot hard down at the bottom? There is a notch in the floor to get full power even in range mode. Interesting to see the entire drive done in B mode 🤔 I find D and let it roll easier to get range from mine. But yes, they are great fun, 7 seconds or less, the grip and balance are spot on. The 19s on the v2 are very sticky.
How are you finding the music system and vol controls? Sine are saying it's an issue
@@EVPuzzle The music system is better than the id3, speakers are better for sure. Controls are not very smooth, 1 notch is a larger jump in volume than I would like. But moving the on screen slider is smoother. I even like the haptic buttons after a few months of use. The quick flick to accelerate is nice. It all makes sense after a few weeks of use. As for the screen the buttons are customisable and for the most part all you need is the car icon, climate icon top centre and you can driving data icon on the bottom.. Don't get me wrong there are some software issues with 3.0. My latest is the car is asking me to log in again. Doesn't affect the drive of the car etc but the little red dot annoys me. Taking it in next weekend to see if they can solve it. Oh and biggest is with the software is the prompts for "New settings available would you like to apply them now" and 1 time out of 3 it will turn off all my driving aides!!! But the bugs in the id software are well known about and being worked on. The Cupra tweaked version is better though.
It is probably slightly safer to let Susan drive while you fiddle with the touch screen on test drives. Keep the Mini for thrashing around country lanes and buy the Born to give you a long distance option. Sadly this means losing the Golf.
We gave up trying to get a new EV due to terrible dealer interaction and we're now looking at a 1 to 2 year old used car. Our choice is now between a Soul or an ID.3. I do like the ID.3 an awful lot even though our initial preference was the Soul.
Tough decision.
Test drives - Mmmmmm - You for dispassionate information, Susan for pure entertainment, plus a reminder that my Missus is probably Susan's sister!!! Great contrast with the MG4, but my Missus is the same, she doesn't need to speak for you to know her mood or what she's thinking.
Keep the eGolf, lots of extras as standard and great drive. VW made it a great EV out of an ICE. My wife loves her eGolf too.😊
It makes it difficult as it's so good. The App is reliable too
No luxury car tax on EV's over £40,000
This for me would be the perfect EV if it had Android Auto. And a big miss, no clima in the back seats !! . And If Ia had to choose between you and Susan, I would choose you both, altogether. Quite funny ! I enjoyed it. Now you know what to buy ;-)
It has Apple car play and android auto
@@DanOwl365 yes bit this is not the same as Android Automotive.
Isn't the id3 cheaper like for like?
Have you tried the Kia Niro EV? What's your take on it versus this?
Only the older version. We haven't driven the new one yet. Up front it's more an suv than the Cupra, bigger chunkier etc. We want a car not an suv ideally but the eniro is very appealing is all respects except driver engagement.
Not sure if anyone can confirm but I don't think the luxury car tax will be applied retrospectively to EV's registered before April 2025?
Hi. Many thanks for the videos. I’m looking for a home battery system in Norwich area. Would you be able to suggest a local renewables companies worth contacting. Thanks.
Yes Leaping Hare Electrical in syderston near Fakenham are worth contacting and fly a bit under the radar so aren't too busy
@@EVPuzzle Great, thanks very much.
Have you looked at the VW ID3?
The Cupra is the same platform.
You clearly like VW.
Is their is Skoda on this platform too?
I have and hated the interior and media. Cupra is way better
Is the eGolf now for sale?
I'd do a Pro vs Cons list with both perspectives to find which one stays.
1. Uniqueness (snap, we have way less Mini's on the road than Golf's, but in EV guise, none for sale and a totally of 5 just to see the user appreciation and viability for South African heat. Mini's more in EV and truly for sale).
2. Who will be the primary driver of the Mini or Golf after the Cupra, that person gets extra marks for the car they like the most. If the Mini goes, is the Cupra yours Nigel, or if the Golf goes is it Susan's. Or will the Golf and Cupra be Susan's and you need to beg for a car to go to the shops on your own???
3. Economy
4. Sense of how the car makes you feel
5. Design and practicality
Or
If you can, get the Cupra, and see which one you neglect in the next month or two, and sell the least used vehicle. Honeymoon phase would be over. But thereafter you might have created a monster, and Susan might be puzzled into, "I want this now" after you her next test and you'd buying and selling cars as soon as all your test are done.
Uhm, both perspectives would be endearing. The none car person view to the car person views. Gooning about from someone that normally gets better economy than you🤣😇🤣😇🤣😇🤣
I think begging to use one of susans cars is more like it unless I'm ruthless 🤣
@@EVPuzzle Happy wife happy home
Definitely
We have ruled out a new EV due to the cost so will be looking for a used one later this year. It will be for my wife to replace her Skoda Karoq Edition (which I find really practical). She wants something smaller with 5 doors, hatch with reasonable boot & 160+ range. So that rules out the Honda-e (which I like but has no range or boot, also very expensive), Mini (2 doors no boot), Fiat 500e (2 doors no boot & expensive) etc. Charging will done at home only & used for local trips only so maybe a an e208, Corsa-e, Mokka-e or maybe an e-2008 or even an EC4. Dunno yet. I'm keeping my petrol estate for longer trips & holidays because I'm not ready to change it for an EV until someone offers a decent size EV estate (MG5 is too small). We did look at an MG4 but its just too dark inside & costly if you have to go up to the Trophy spec to get heated seats / steering wheel, camera, sat nav etc. etc. No rear wiper either! What is it with so many new cars that don't have a rear wiper? I guess driving an estate car makes me more sensitive to this but it's also because I have front & rear facing dash cams in our cars so a clean rear screen is needed for a decent image. For you I would keep the Mini & let the Golf go. If the Mini was available as a 5 door with a longer range, bigger boot & less than £22k it would be on our list.
My Wife was interested in the Cupra Born... but she wanted 4x4
So we bought the Skoda Enyaq VRS instead...
See if you can get for a long trail and see how you can live with the entertainment system.
I know it djesnt have USB music support so that's a negative for me
Can I throw another spanner in the works. A top of the range e208 ?? Given your dilemma btw, I'd sell the mini!
Still not tried the e208, was put off by how average the corsa was and they share lots of tech and setup. Should try one, one day and they're a good sized hatchback
I agree re Corsa but e208 FEELS much better
@@EVPuzzle E-208 is a great ev but I was put off by the real world range especially in the winter
Been checking out a few of your videos. Instead of puzzling over a new EV, had you considered getting a new wife? Same goes for Andrew Till aka Mr(s) EV.
It'd be easier for sure but no, there are too many people that think a big battery and lower price makes it a good car.
It doesn't
You like what you like
I think you both need to drive for different perspectives. I'd keep the Mini over the Golf as more fun though very recent depreciation of EVs may mean the part ex price puts you off
It's all relative. My wife likes a car one day, the next day, same car different color, she hates it.
If you haven’t yet, you (or rather Susan) really should test drive the Renault Megane before making any decision. A similar car to the ID3/Born. But you would, probably, want to go with the Techno trim to get Google Maps built in and then any colour other than white pushes it over £40,000.
You may also need the false boot floor accessory for Cracker as the boot is very deep otherwise.
We've test the Megane.. Gridserve had one on test a few months back. Unimpressed, which surprised me as I like how it looks. Efficiency was awful too on our test but inside was pretty didn't feel right
@@EVPuzzle Totally agree with you; unimpressed. When I attended the preview at the dealership, everyone sat in it and walked off. 5 minutes after the reveal there was only dealership staff left and a huge table of nibbles
It's a strange one as it looks great inside and out but just felt wrong in the 1st 5 mins . Both sysan and I disliked it instantly yet from marketing etc I wanted one and might have pre ordered. Close call
Are you doing a follow up vid showing what you decided to do and when?! Cupra £8k more than MG and probably worth it surprisingly.
That’s a interesting point as a drivers car ie like the mini a car you want to have fun in or a car you get into for enjoyment the born wins but for people that just get in a car to go from a to b but want ev and do few long distance trips and want new car I think the mg4 for the money is a good car if you don’t want frills or super high quality and saving 8-9k £ is alot I think like the old version mg5 for a big estate ev early £20k for space as a to b car or work car or for dogs etc it was great value for an ev no you wouldn’t have fun in it or it’s wasn’t that good car but the price was right but now it’s £30k s it’s puts it in different league we’re there is better cars for bit more money.
ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE is you could buy a nearly new ioniq 38 and save even more money and gain loads in comfort and efficiency
@@EVPuzzle yer or old 28 kWh ionic and charge abit more offen as the 38 kWh don’t charge very fast unless they fixed it in software fix someone did a test a 28 and 38 kWh on same journey same day etc and 38 kWh told as long to do the trip sometimes the 28 kWh was charging faster or buy a second hand kona or enero or e soul 3 good cars
@@EVPuzzle yer or old 28 kWh ionic and charge abit more offen as the 38 kWh don’t charge very fast unless they fixed it in software fix someone did a test a 28 and 38 kWh on same journey same day etc and 38 kWh told as long to do the trip sometimes the 28 kWh was charging faster or buy a second hand kona or enero or e soul 3 good cars
Really surprised she preferred the £40k born over the £26k mg4, maybe the v1 Vs the trophy would be a good comparison as the v1 is just a few k extra.
Exactly v1 spec is good, same lovely Interior and seats
Do you accidentally press the buttons on the steering?
Not on the test no
@@EVPuzzle I heard that the touch sensitive buttons were irritating. Glad to hear that you and your pretty lady didn't face the issue. I think it happens when turning the steering for u turns or tight turn around. Cheers.
There’s no luxury car tax on EVs…. It was abolished
I think she'd suit an old 1997 Rover
Suzan as a driver FTW! It had a bit more feelings and soul, no offense :) Keep your driver's license at home more often :)
Will do, I think
Being a bit of an old fart I prefer the ID.3 over the Born. A standard 58kWh battery and I don't care about the toys on the more expensive versions. I'm also with Susan: why do we need "performance"? Just standard mode is fine for anybody.
Sensible approach.. Susan doesn't touch the toys so, why buy them, I agree.
Definitelly a more special car than the M64 and the Kia Soul. If I had to sell one of your cars it would be the eGolf. I am not sure they are going to hold their value now that VW is no longer making them.
I thought that the so called Luxury Car Tax on new EV's over £40,000 did not come in until April, 2025
Now found this Government Publication regarding the Autumn Statement, where the matter is referred to in paragraph 4, as the Expensive Car Supplement..............
VED on Electric Vehicles (VED) - From April 2025, electric cars, vans and motorcycles will begin to pay VED in the same way as petrol and diesel vehicles. This will ensure that all road users begin to pay a fair tax contribution as the take up of electric vehicles continues to accelerate. The government will legislate for this measure in Autumn Finance Bill 2022. This means:
new zero emission cars registered on or after 1 April 2025 will be liable to pay the lowest first year rate of VED (which applies to vehicles with CO2 emissions 1 to 50g/km) currently £10 a year. From the second year of registration onwards, they will move to the standard rate, currently £165 a year
zero emission cars first registered between 1 April 2017 and 31 March 2025 will also pay the standard rate
the Expensive Car Supplement exemption for electric vehicles is due to end in 2025. New zero emission cars registered on or after 1 April 2025 will therefore be liable for the expensive car supplement. The Expensive Car Supplement currently applies to cars with a list price exceeding £40,000 for 5 years
zero and low emission cars first registered between 1 March 2001 and 30 March 2017 currently in Band A will move to the Band B rate, currently £20 a year
zero emission vans will move to the rate for petrol and diesel light goods vehicles, currently £290 a year for most vans
zero emission motorcycles and tricycles will move to the rate for the smallest engine size, currently £22 a year
rates for Alternative Fuel Vehicles and hybrids will also be equalised
The 5 year period for extra tax on over £40,000 is in fact 6 years. The first year is a seperate figure and then another 5 more years at the high rate.
Paying a lot more for a soft ride. I would stay well clear of VW and it’s clones. See other U tube Chanel’s. All sorts of issues
Really a ID3 under the skin, but much better IMHO.
Don't see how this is even close to the Kia Soul you ordered though, chalk and cheese really ?.
Looks like the e.Golf is getting its P45 after the last trip before Xmas.
Really like the Golf, owned 6 of them.
What's not to like on the e.Golf - range to small, pure a simple.
ID3 has lost it's VW way, cheap interior for the money spent.
Cupra is the car the ID3 should have been.
Bye Bye e.Golf.
This is why you see a lot of nice examples in great spec, up for sale with low mileages.
The majority can not make them work for them.
Great school run / local stuff, thats it !.
Pity it’s £10k more expensive than the MG4
Pssss…., don’t tell Susan, but the ID3, Born, MG4 are the same car underneath - did you order one then as this was filmed a few months ago
The MG4 is not the same car as the ID3 and Born underneath
Don't know where you get your facts from, but the MG4 has no relation underneath to either the ID3 or Born.
We ordered a Born in September
MG is definitely not a relation to the id3 or Born in any shape or form.
Simple Nigel, sell the mini and the golf, make do with the Born.
Most importantly listen to your wife 😋
I’m getting a lot of conflicting info about this luxury car tax.
Please see my additional comments.
So you didn't want mg4 trophy at £31500 because was £6k more but you will pay £10k for cupra????
Its basically a VW and your wife loves a german made car. And thats far enough.
That's not the case. She has no VW bias, our Golf w as he first VW
The luxury car tax on EVs (yes it does still exist - have checked) is a desperately short-sighted measure; it's incentivising people to buy the smaller battery variants of EVs, making their owners even more dependent on woefully inadequate public charging infrastructure, the expansion of which is not keeping up with EV sales.
Typical short-sighted money grab by this inept government. What it's actually doing is making me defer replacement of my £30 p/a tax diesel indefinitely.