What irritates me is that Strange Supreme was almost equal to the entirety of the infinity stones wielded by one person, and this is supposed to be a considerable time later, so he should be even more powerful. They should never even come close to beating him.
They didn't run out. For some reason they're not using villains like Knull, Void, Tyrant, Galactus, Onslaught, Kang, Mephisto, or TOBA. They have plenty to choose from
Ya’ll remember when Peter Quill as a half celestial touched just the power stone and he almost died. Y’all remember when Hulk, a character that is immune to gamma, was literally groaning of pain wearing the infinity gauntlet which Banner himself said majority of the radiation is GAMMA. And Captain Carter just took all of them inside her hand, she should’ve just blown up
To be fair, she was using the armor that Killmonger took from Ultron last season which let him wield the stones without dying, and he had the heart shaped herb which seems more or less equivalent to the super soldier serum
To be fair, she was using the armor that Killmonger took from Ultron last season which let him wield the stones without dying, and he had the heart shaped herb which seems more or less equivalent to the super soldier serum@@YouCann0tSeeMe
Captain Carter was plenty likeable in season 1. Seeing her return to fight the hydra stomper was cool. Watching her clown Loki and the Destroyer and go toe to toe with Thor was a bit of an eye roller. But watching her lose all the magic props and still get the better of Strange by simply throwing hands at him? That's beyond absurd.
@@georgew3270 And yet you all never had a problem when Steve was doing it and he had far less magical gear than she did. But he had a dick and thats all you care about.
yeah... and he literally learned that it's useless to try and alter fixed points. (and he accepted it cannot be changed) So why is he trying to save Christine here again as his plotpoint???
@@noparuthirankate7895 I mean, it does when the writing is good. Most people have an innate desire for stuff to make sense, and skilled writers know this.
@@tek512 yes (on skill writer) but it doesn’t always need to so that’s why logic doesn’t work in fiction because all of their ability and stuff are come from writer not logic. I mean you can try to copy and adapt logic into fiction but that doesn’t work either because fiction isn’t real and that logic (only in fiction) didn’t even existed.
He should have. If he wasn't trying to hold back the nonsense he ate to get more powerful. The whole point of that last exchange is to show he got hit with the Doc Oc problem; Someone else was in his head and trying to control his body. We saw this in the first season as well, just not this bad. Where his arm randomly transforms a couple times and he focuses to suppress it. Now imagine that when there's *more* and worse to suppress.
The only threat in S1 for Strange is Infinity Ultron. In S2 Strange facing lot of enemies, not only Kahori and Peggy Carter, but also strong creatures that he capture accross infinity of multiverse.
@@Sinislovesbillcypher. Technically strange wanted to capture them not kill them. HOWEVER that's thrown out the windows when his in a chamber only fighting the 2 of them. Oh yeah clearly the is NO SPEED META
I hate how Dr Strange is nerfed in every single movie, series he's in. Remember how Spiderman beat him in the bloody mirror dimension? How he didn't even get a single fair fight with Wanda? Then now, Strange Supreme, supposedly the biggest threat in the multiverse can't handle 2 people empowered by infinity stones, who he has beaten in the previous season. Also, how does Captain Carter just hold the stones in her hand like that without exploding?
its worse because the kill monger armour she was wearing before broke. That alone was ridiculous when combined with all those other powerful weapons, specially without having the worthiness to use some of those since even Steve can only handle mjolnir, and he had to earn that. People are just reaching hard making up excuses for this bullshit. 100% Mary sue plot armour.
@@learnmaths3329 Doesn't matter, she's held all stones together and not even just that, she somehow channeled them into a punch which should have disintegrated her even though holding all the stones should have done that.
Ikr! they wanted to go the girl trope, least they could have done is added Gamora and white hela to be the real muscle, and anyone else who can support since s1 did good having a team.
@@donovanfejeran3901litelary no one have problem with strong female character if she is well writen. Problem is where paggy carter is just female version of steave rogers and since start of the serion she has no character chenge + for her screan time marvel kill one of best character of the series. For me 90% of the characters in what if coud be females is they will have good character disagne, problems and didint break law of MCU. For egsample good female character is Hela.
@@donovanfejeran3901difference is, females are only used as much just for bs feminist propaganda. Every movie or show must show how strong and independent they are with shit writing too
@@Reguraldude22she was a great character to begin with. She is a strong a female character with emotions and actual conflicts. This one episode just ruins her and destroys lot of characters arcs along with it.
@@Reguraldude22 let me remind you she is wearing the same armor that killmonger had that protected him from the Infinity Stones you got to remember dude
I don't usually criticize fight scenes, but I don't get how Carter can even wield all the stones with no problem. Heck, Strange Supreme should've wiped the floor with them, and anyone who watched S1 would know this.
Hell, he even become more powerfull in season two and also defeated and captured so many powerful characters by he's own,like Thanos with infinty gems,infinity ultron,killmonger with infinity gems,hela,thor,loki and so many other.Loosing to those two female with infinity gem and other weapons does not make anysense it is just a bad writting and because now it is M-she-U time.
Remember when Ultron and Supreme Strange were fighting across cosmos eating galaxies? Now Supreme Strange is fighting on a bridge with a bunch of humans like an average D&D dungeon boss
Okay that final punch where Peggy grabs all the Infinity stones should not even be possible thanos and tony had to create a whole gantlet to even get a couple of seconds with the things without getting burned by radiation and yet she comes off with nothing
Yeah, even a half celestial like Star Lord almost got destroyed by the power stone... Thanos can briefly use it, but is in great pain... So Carter leaving this fight unscathed (much less alive) by using all infinity stones in her bare hands, is impossible.
I was genuinely disappointed, I guess what I had pictured happening was Hela getting The Ten Rings and going OP and then Strange Supreme, Kahhuri, Captain Carter, Nebula, Iron Man and Happy Hogan as The Freak were going to be this seasons multiverse Avengers
that would've just been season 1 but again. also Hela in that episode became good and redeemed, so why would she become the main villain, and why would she even become a multiversal threat even then?
@@mattnic001Yeah strange being villain made no sense anyway so unless there was a greater threat, keep strange the villain and make hela the heavy hitter handling all the artifacts, given she's at least a powerful God
how exactly did she punch him with the stones in her fist without getting disintegrated? She was neither wearing the armor, nor hela's clown or any other protection while she did that? So she has superhuman durability all of a sudden now?
stones only hurt to the point of disintegration if u are snapping half of existence away (or back), infinity gauntlet was made for the purpose to tank the recoil, but it still hurt thanos' arm. Peggy currently has strange's protection spell, the infinity ultron armor (recoloured with her aesthetic), and is a super soldier. So even she did something equal to the feat of snapping, she'd be fine. But yeah all she did was infinity stone powered punch strange here, no need for disintegration.
Kahori has part of the power of one stone and she somehow had enough power to almost defeat strange herself? Marvel needs to get there game together and fast.
Keep in mind strange supreme swallowed a Galaxy that Ultron set to just explode yet what if season 2 is just what if Captain Carter did everything like Doctor strange was the hard carrier of the team when they were going up against Ultron with the Infinity stones
@@axelnilsson5124 An Explosion of a galactic scale has more power to it than an actual Galaxy, just like how the explosion of a Grenade has more power than the Grenade itself.
Strange Supreme at this point should be even stronger than the stones or any of the artifacts, hell he couldve known the secrets of the Darkhold too, given the number of entities and demons he possessed...but then again this is Disney Marvel. Season 1 was awesome then this is just disappointing
There's still one thing I can't understand. There were much discussion about just how Peggy was able to wield all of the Infinity Stones and how her alliance with Kohorty was a gamechanger - it's all can be explained, yes. I have another question - how in the Nine Realms vibranium still able to withstand all the power of Strange Supreme and not even crack? Must I remind that equal shield was broken by Thanos with just his blade and physical strength? And Thanos WAS actually defeated by Strange Supreme, we saw it in the same episode!
Not to mention, Wanda’s raw power was enough to break Thanos’s blade, the same blade that destroyed Cap’s shield, so if Wanda could do that in her infinity war era before she was even fully powered, there’s no possible way Supreme wasn’t powerful enough to do the same at this point if not completely disintegrating it on contact, i mean we’re talking beyond multiversal level
Right!!!! Right???? Thank you for pointing this out, i have never seen one mentioning this. The vibranium's only one of the most powerful (that we know) on earth, not universal, not to mention multiversal now 😭
Peter quill was half celestial and almost died from the power stone alone Thanos hulk and Tony needed gauntlets Hulk was made of gamma and couldn't take the gamma from the gauntlet Tony well... died Thanos was a different species which was extremely durable considering the gaurdians strange Tony n Peter team had to do so much just to make him bleed a little Agent carter solos the verse fr fr
My bro just ate mjonir like peanut 🥜 But captain carter punching him and giving him hard time 😂😂😂 What marvel editors think , is captain carters hands are stronger then mjonir 😂😂😂😂
supreme strange is capable of destroying an entire universe but which is something not even the infinity stones can do and somehow he still lost? oh wow marvel, he quite literally can match and even surpass the powers of the infinity stones combined- ultron who was capable of destorying galaxies was surprised by strange's power like-- HE SHOULD HAVE WON
I wish strange supreme said at the end before he fell into the forge “Fly you fools” as this parallels both the balrog and Gandalf falling into the abyss.
Yea, I can eyeroll at Captain Carter and Kahhori beating Supreme Strange. What I cannot accept is that they wrote Strange here to have learned nothing from Season 1, which is stupid. Strange is not stupid!
Ok how did strange get beaten, like they should've explored and explained it more, and him turning bad again is pretty annoying like he was supposed to be redeemed and doing he's punishment.
Remember fellas This is the same chick that got killed by her own shield in Doctor Strange Multiverse While Thanos and Hulk almost died when they used infinity stones. Tony died from it, Peter Quill, A Half God nearly Died when he just touched one.
@@axelnilsson5124is she made from uru in this universe? Get your head out of the multiverse toilet and think straight- she is the same Carter from MoM
I really hate they made strange a villain again bruh and i can't really take captain carter taking no risk holding the 7 infinity stones in her hands like at least she should've lost an arm
yeah I find it stupid they essentially erased his entire redemption arc to make him a villain and Carter should have definitely had some drawback to using the stones while they were in her hands
How can Captain Carter tank a blast from the destroyer? Captain America couldn’t. That blast is powerful enough to hurt and potentially kill Thor. Also, how is she using all of the infinity stones without any damage? Hulk couldn’t even do that. They should have had Hela beat Strange, that would have at least been believable. Someone over at what if has a hard on for Haley Atwell. Her strongest form should be equal to Captain America. She isn’t equal to Thor or Hulk on her best day.
@@Barely_Editedthat doesn’t explain the scene where she held them in her hand. Or the fact she can beat Strange just throwing hands, even without the infinity stones?
It's worse when the armour breaks and she's still able to hold all the stones, which should have disintegrated her on the spot. People reaching into their assholes and making bs excuses to defend this nonsense is also ridiculous, Carter should not have been able to even wear helas crown let alone anything else she had.
Literally i can't beleive it. i only have one thing to say and that is they both are nothing against strange and he himself sacrifised and was not defeated
literally plus the kahoori character i liked her episode but in this finale she was just shouting on strange and saying bad like she can defeat her easily what this needs to have an ego check strange could killed her but again plot armor i guess
It's weird that Tony died after wielding all the stones once, even the entire Guardians group needed to band together just to hold the power stone, but Peggy can hold all of them in one hand and channel all of their power with no problems at all
It doesnt make any sense how dr strange was able to capture more powerful villians like infinity gauntlet Thanos, ultron,hela and what not but couldnt beat kahouri and carter. And carter just punched her away out to beat strange
@@carloz1536 it could easily just be the stones falling out not the armour breaking, also who's to say the gauntlets from the armour stayed in tack so she could grab the stones.
What makes me confised is we had so much build up for Hela herself to be the one to be the liberator. I think it honestly would have been better if we seen Hela fighting for all life.
Okay, so if the forge needed the combined power of all the world-enders to work, but just throwing Strange in was enough, that means he ALONE is more powerful than hundreds of world enders at once. He should have wiped the floor with Carter.
Bro even regular human beings (if they have those jelly beans) could defeat supreme strange with that kind of logic 💀.... He can't do anything with that plot armour she got 😂
I'm glad this episode happened. Now we have context for just how bad a multiversal conflict can get with all the tools that Marvel has. And keep in mind, this would only be a skirmish. How bad would all-out war be?
literally happens to Strange every time first time he’s introduced he’s a god, he’s respected and actually uses his abilities. everything after they nerf the hell out of him.
Strange had powered up so much he wasn’t hurt in the least by any of the attacks, even a direct strike from all the infinity stones barely managed to stun him long enough to lose control of the demons he absorbed, the only thing that could even kill him was the forge that he made, and he chose to go willingly.
TBH, I can buy Carter being able to wield a lot of the things she does in this episode, namely the infinity stones since it has been established since Loki Season 1 that their power and usability depends on the universe in question and you could theoretically afford to add more if they’re not at full power. That being said however, I feel like the priority was making all this a spectacle without thinking about how it works narratively later (which is Strange because other episodes balanced both very well). This really isn’t something you can’t do just because you can and completely expect everyone to follow.
Facts: Supreme Strange spent centuries digesting Heavy creatures just to be beaten by Carter whom can be killed with a bullet. Carter Wielded infinity stones with ease. Carter punches on Supreme Strange is equivalent of Mjolnir thrown from Kahori with Powerful radiation. King Thor, Hela and Several powerful creatures can't escape strange free fall into his Machine despite their weapons and levitation ability. This scene is the most controversial scheme ever in Comics. The goal is to nerf as many as possible superheroes/Powerful creatures to make Carter/Kahori shine. Same was done in Hela Vs Odin fight. It's such an eyesore
Wait, didn't Strange supreme to be more humble? That's literally his plot in What if s1 (still prideful, but more understanding)... And now sometime later... he just became evil? Like what??? Man... Marvel is just taking Ls after Ls since phase 4. If they can't make creative ideas on a literal "choose your own adventure" type of show... Then there is no hope but to reboot everything past phase 3. Like c'mon, this show now has become a missed opportunity.
Damn. Now Loki is pretty much the only good thing Disney marvel has produced. What if was pretty good on S1, but this fight just takes everything marvel has built up over the years and throws it out the window. Strange, who can apparently just eat mjölnir, is unable to leave even a scratch on Carter's puny vibranium shield. Carter, who is shown to die by getting sliced in half on MoM by having her shield thrown at her, is now suddenly able to grab the 6 stones with her bare hands and leave unscathed. Also, lets be real, strange should've smoked these girls lmao. There's ways to make girlboss characters and ways not to. Wonder Woman is an example of this. Heck, even S1 Carter is pretty cool. But suddenly she can beat Strange Supreme? I'm not buying it. As for Carter's sidekick on this scene, sure, I understand her backstory and everything (albeit it's not historically accurate at all), but hey, we gotta critizise imperialism, don't we? Thing is, they picked the only country that actually issued laws which protected the natives on the newly discovered lands lmao. If you insist on having a female character defeat Strange, let it be someone who can believably do that, like Hela or someone else. This scene doesn't leave me thinking: Wow, what an awesome fight! This female character is now one of my fav heroes. It leaves me thinking: Damn, that sucked. I liked Carter but the writers destroyed the character here in an attempt to make *another* woke female character.
What If was garbage anyway, Marvel should go the DC route and animate their best comics (comic Civil War could be a whole series by itself) instead of making an ouroboros of a human centipede with the MCU
Its because of the watcher was secretly empowering Peggy that's why she was able to hold the stones and even do the things she did The watcher was the hero all along😅
Man marvel has just been going down the “women are the strongest in the the multiverse” way and it’s starting to get annoying like OP ass character are getting defeated like they aren’t powerful
@cythism8106 yeah, one singular stone and only for a few seconds before putting it on his hammar, you could even say his Kree armour withstood some of the damage
@@cythism8106that armor is bullshit, it makes no sense. Ultron was able to wield the stones cuz he's a bloody robot, they don't get affected by radiation but look at thanos,hulk and tony, they were rekt by the stones power and radiation but this mf Peggy somehow managed to hold em and use em without dying from the radiation. Welcome to the Era of M-SHE-U
@@KingHomosapien72 Worse when her episode earlier showed her biggest feat was being able to hold back an armada of ships at a shore, and even then some cannon fire was enough to send her back, then out of nowhere she's shown to be equal to God tier level beings
Infinity suit, legendary weapons, and yet it took stranges willpower to beat himself. Which is why his true potential is kept a secret in movies otherwise thanos was a joke to this guy 😂😂😂.
That’s true but context is also important, the spin off-short form stories in animation are pretty perfect for just having fun with ridiculous concepts, even if it’s nonsense.
I think you're confusing writing quality with premise. Not everything needs to be the equivalent of a 5 star meal, sometimes you just want a drive thru burger or a microwaved mac 'n cheese for lunch. If you still insist on having a 5 star meal you can go eat at another place, you don't just keep going to Comic Book McDonald's expecting a Wagyu Beef. Hell, make your own meal if you can't stand them serving you trash.
Supreme Strange in Season 1 should have power equal to Infinity Ultron and in these Season 2 he should have power at least close to The Watcher himself. They literally do dirty to him, and throwing away all of his character development.
Supreme strange just upping surpassed the infinity stones and tanked a blast from all of them and a bunch of other powerful weapons from across the multiverse and just got back up
Crazy that they turned the best character into a villain that got defeated by the scriptwriters and not the Mary Sue protagonist(s).... God damn it Disney
God, what bullshit. I watched the first season for the amazing Strange, but in the second there was not a single normal plot at all. And as a finale, this is... "something".
it's no longer "what if?", but "what the fuck?"
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Woke if.
if it is very easy for superhuman to wield all six stones at once then why did marvel even do infinity war and endgame
“Well, that's just lazy writing.”
-Deadpool
😂😂
So creative
marvel is these is lazy writing
@@kiratwo4uBro's grammar 💀
Atleast the animation is good
What irritates me is that Strange Supreme was almost equal to the entirety of the infinity stones wielded by one person, and this is supposed to be a considerable time later, so he should be even more powerful. They should never even come close to beating him.
It's the infinity stones, they grant the wilder INFINITE POWER.
Same. Supreme Strange eats a galaxy expolsion blast from infinity ultron like a cake in what if season 1, now he's struggling to fight 2 little girls
@@-AIWillRule They don't though. The name is a misnomer because they can most certainly be beaten.
It's the power of woke women characters
@@ilariasdiary8074you know what’s stupid as fuck? Kahori tping killmonger out of the suit, like wtf is that bullshit lmao
Writers: she wins because yea
reverse psy at work, those "writing" hope for less tolerance if forced hard enough.
Well, that's just lazy writing
Same character that got low diffed by wanda
@@CollfuseNot In What if, Not Even Close
When you run out of villains and turn a great character into one .💁🏻♂️
They didn't run out. For some reason they're not using villains like Knull, Void, Tyrant, Galactus, Onslaught, Kang, Mephisto, or TOBA. They have plenty to choose from
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@@sedriquetyrone If all of the villains u mentioned got the same treatment, will u still like it?
@@captainmd3 maybe, maybe not but they still have a long list to choose from to make interesting stories. Also, let's not forget Dr. Doom!
@@sedriquetyroneI'm pretty sure the rights to Knull are at Sony and they may use it in Venom films
Ya’ll remember when Peter Quill as a half celestial touched just the power stone and he almost died.
Y’all remember when Hulk, a character that is immune to gamma, was literally groaning of pain wearing the infinity gauntlet which Banner himself said majority of the radiation is GAMMA.
And Captain Carter just took all of them inside her hand, she should’ve just blown up
And some comments say: bUt ShE hAs SuPeR sOldDiEr SeRuM 🤡
To be fair, she was using the armor that Killmonger took from Ultron last season which let him wield the stones without dying, and he had the heart shaped herb which seems more or less equivalent to the super soldier serum
To be fair, she was using the armor that Killmonger took from Ultron last season which let him wield the stones without dying, and he had the heart shaped herb which seems more or less equivalent to the super soldier serum@@YouCann0tSeeMe
Kid pl read the episode Info kahori have make a shield around the stones to protest her kid
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I don’t know where you’re from, but get your grammar corrected and then I’ll let you call me kid 😂
Strange is flying half the fight but as soon as he actually needs to fly he can’t
Writer's power
You did see strange pop out he hold strange back right, aka strange was MVP in this fight again
"The strongest character is whoever the writer wants it to be"- Stan Lee
you did realise he willingly died right?
Captain Carter was plenty likeable in season 1. Seeing her return to fight the hydra stomper was cool. Watching her clown Loki and the Destroyer and go toe to toe with Thor was a bit of an eye roller.
But watching her lose all the magic props and still get the better of Strange by simply throwing hands at him? That's beyond absurd.
Accurate af.
absolutely i really like carter character but they just ruined it
Exactly ! Like, no matter what, she's just a super soldier. She's nowhere near the level of characters like strange or thor
And yet if it had been Steve you wouldn't have had a single problem.
@@georgew3270 And yet you all never had a problem when Steve was doing it and he had far less magical gear than she did. But he had a dick and thats all you care about.
In no way should Strange have lost this. Dude should've dogwalked *all* of them.
yeah... and he literally learned that it's useless to try and alter fixed points. (and he accepted it cannot be changed)
So why is he trying to save Christine here again as his plotpoint???
Logic doesn’t work on fiction 🤬🤮
@@noparuthirankate7895 I mean, it does when the writing is good. Most people have an innate desire for stuff to make sense, and skilled writers know this.
@@tek512 yes (on skill writer) but it doesn’t always need to so that’s why logic doesn’t work in fiction because all of their ability and stuff are come from writer not logic. I mean you can try to copy and adapt logic into fiction but that doesn’t work either because fiction isn’t real and that logic (only in fiction) didn’t even existed.
He should have. If he wasn't trying to hold back the nonsense he ate to get more powerful. The whole point of that last exchange is to show he got hit with the Doc Oc problem; Someone else was in his head and trying to control his body.
We saw this in the first season as well, just not this bad. Where his arm randomly transforms a couple times and he focuses to suppress it. Now imagine that when there's *more* and worse to suppress.
I like how Carter embraces her Britishness by taking treasures from other realities.
Bloody true! The crown colonization of realities
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Shut up
Im died from cringe when she put on hela's helmet :D
Likewise using native american's to fight her battles, another fitting touch.
Strange ate mjolnir but didnt break captain carters shield🏃🤸
Correction *ate mjölnir, absorbed Gungnir, and crushed the ten rings but couldn’t break a pathetic vibrantium shield
@@moneyallday6524 women are strong
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Because fu**ing writter love 🐖 Carter 😂😂😂
Because Marvel is now praising "The Power of Women" thingy
They saw his popularity in the last season and thought naaw naaw a man cannot have the glory while we are here.
Unfortunately that's true
Glory by destroying a universe and still doing the same
"Quick sub out strange, here's a young minority girl"
"Ok I guess"
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Exactly the most powerful being in the MCU multiverse being a man that has no been lectured to and put in his place by a woman.
In S1 strange used evry spell to defeat ultron In s2 he just used Beam,barrier and portal
I hate writers 😒
The only threat in S1 for Strange is Infinity Ultron. In S2 Strange facing lot of enemies, not only Kahori and Peggy Carter, but also strong creatures that he capture accross infinity of multiverse.
Me too,
@@kingki1953Infinity ultron was a thrrat to the multiverse. He blinks those characters.
@@Sinislovesbillcypher. Technically strange wanted to capture them not kill them. HOWEVER that's thrown out the windows when his in a chamber only fighting the 2 of them.
Oh yeah clearly the is NO SPEED META
Correct✅
What If S3: Hawkeye defeats One Above The All
I think the writer's brains were in their ass when they wrote the s2
Nah, a better woke representation is kate bishop
Nah, it’ll be Kate Bishop.
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its just a what if so why not...... that actually sounds like fun idea
Next thing they'll show is Captian Carter defeating the Living Tribunal 💀
No wonder i think if it was happening
LMFAO😭
Beyonder too
Don't give them ideas.
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Don't forget about The One Above All. Fuck it, have her defeat Galactus.
I hate how Dr Strange is nerfed in every single movie, series he's in. Remember how Spiderman beat him in the bloody mirror dimension? How he didn't even get a single fair fight with Wanda? Then now, Strange Supreme, supposedly the biggest threat in the multiverse can't handle 2 people empowered by infinity stones, who he has beaten in the previous season. Also, how does Captain Carter just hold the stones in her hand like that without exploding?
ironman would die because of his wage. That’s why Cap won’t die
@@Jay-Jack.617 ah yes the super soldier serum, able to make the user tank nukes like nothing! Gamma means jack shit to them!
its worse because the kill monger armour she was wearing before broke. That alone was ridiculous when combined with all those other powerful weapons, specially without having the worthiness to use some of those since even Steve can only handle mjolnir, and he had to earn that. People are just reaching hard making up excuses for this bullshit. 100% Mary sue plot armour.
I agree but holding the infinity stones part, I think that's only true for the power stone since we've seen thanos hold tge soul stone and space stone
@@learnmaths3329 Doesn't matter, she's held all stones together and not even just that, she somehow channeled them into a punch which should have disintegrated her even though holding all the stones should have done that.
Fun fact--- 1 bullet is enough to kill peggy
But she can stand infront of blast which can destroy reality.
Correct😂
Indeed.
one character i liked in this series and the writers mf ruined it
For real.
The two characters I liked in the serious and one of them had a complete character assassination and the other randomly became God
Ikr! they wanted to go the girl trope, least they could have done is added Gamora and white hela to be the real muscle, and anyone else who can support since s1 did good having a team.
@@carloz1536amped hela would have made sense to why she could resist strange vs Carter
This series shouldn't have been called "What if" but "Captain carter vs the multiverse"
What if : how female oriented do u want our script to be
Kevin Feige: yes
what if: how male oriented do you want our script to be (in a mcu which male dominance is more than abysmal)
@thirunavukkarasug1805: yes
@@donovanfejeran3901litelary no one have problem with strong female character if she is well writen. Problem is where paggy carter is just female version of steave rogers and since start of the serion she has no character chenge + for her screan time marvel kill one of best character of the series. For me 90% of the characters in what if coud be females is they will have good character disagne, problems and didint break law of MCU. For egsample good female character is Hela.
@@donovanfejeran3901difference is, females are only used as much just for bs feminist propaganda. Every movie or show must show how strong and independent they are with shit writing too
@@Reguraldude22she was a great character to begin with. She is a strong a female character with emotions and actual conflicts. This one episode just ruins her and destroys lot of characters arcs along with it.
@@Reguraldude22 let me remind you she is wearing the same armor that killmonger had that protected him from the Infinity Stones you got to remember dude
So that's it? They beated Strange Supreme?
Bro something is wrong, he was supposed to beat the crap out of all with a little a snap literally
They are females characters, they can beat anyone.
I forgot about that👁️
@@guruxara7994 you right
I forgot it's M-She-U now
@@Therestrial205Bro that made me laugh so hard
MSheU is here
He never turn off his plot armor off Carter and they had additional buffs with the weapons but I get it
I don't usually criticize fight scenes, but I don't get how Carter can even wield all the stones with no problem. Heck, Strange Supreme should've wiped the floor with them, and anyone who watched S1 would know this.
Strange Supreme is the main reason Ultron didn't win in s1, he was so powerful that he basically had to carry the entire team
@@shazaz1059once ultron knew, he started targeting him directly which forced strange to go on a defensive mode
So what was going on in the writers' heads....
Well Mary Sue, bad writing, and M-SHEU is that
Hell, he even become more powerfull in season two and also defeated and captured so many powerful characters by he's own,like Thanos with infinty gems,infinity ultron,killmonger with infinity gems,hela,thor,loki and so many other.Loosing to those two female with infinity gem and other weapons does not make anysense it is just a bad writting and because now it is M-she-U time.
Like if you also wanted the Supreme Strange to win...
Remember when Ultron and Supreme Strange were fighting across cosmos eating galaxies? Now Supreme Strange is fighting on a bridge with a bunch of humans like an average D&D dungeon boss
Unbeatable boss when you unlock them as a character:
Okay that final punch where Peggy grabs all the Infinity stones should not even be possible thanos and tony had to create a whole gantlet to even get a couple of seconds with the things without getting burned by radiation and yet she comes off with nothing
Yeah, even a half celestial like Star Lord almost got destroyed by the power stone... Thanos can briefly use it, but is in great pain...
So Carter leaving this fight unscathed (much less alive) by using all infinity stones in her bare hands, is impossible.
Plot. It's always been plot.
Lmao facts
She should have alreaddy exploded without the armor.
it's like she has armour on that was specifically designed to hold the stones and protect the wearer.
I love how everyone forgets that she was basically wearing the infinity armour that killmonger was wearing @miniwhiffy3465
I was genuinely disappointed, I guess what I had pictured happening was Hela getting The Ten Rings and going OP and then Strange Supreme, Kahhuri, Captain Carter, Nebula, Iron Man and Happy Hogan as The Freak were going to be this seasons multiverse Avengers
No we can’t have nice things
This
that would've just been season 1 but again. also Hela in that episode became good and redeemed, so why would she become the main villain, and why would she even become a multiversal threat even then?
@@mattnic001Yeah strange being villain made no sense anyway so unless there was a greater threat, keep strange the villain and make hela the heavy hitter handling all the artifacts, given she's at least a powerful God
how exactly did she punch him with the stones in her fist without getting disintegrated? She was neither wearing the armor, nor hela's clown or any other protection while she did that? So she has superhuman durability all of a sudden now?
I think it's because of the super soldier serum in her. She is not a mere human.
@@mathewlawani1364i dont think that is really enough even tho
@@maxlol6924 Lol. I honestly do not know what the writers had in mind.
stones only hurt to the point of disintegration if u are snapping half of existence away (or back), infinity gauntlet was made for the purpose to tank the recoil, but it still hurt thanos' arm. Peggy currently has strange's protection spell, the infinity ultron armor (recoloured with her aesthetic), and is a super soldier. So even she did something equal to the feat of snapping, she'd be fine. But yeah all she did was infinity stone powered punch strange here, no need for disintegration.
@@AvatarLiger did u not watch guardians of the galaxy?? starlord is part celestials and still got affected. celestials > infinity stones
Kahori has part of the power of one stone and she somehow had enough power to almost defeat strange herself? Marvel needs to get there game together and fast.
Bruh Carter punching a galaxy level powered monster like some drunk dude on the street
Writers: “So how many power ups should we keep giving everyone in this fight?”
The others: “until you lose count”
When the writers have an IQ of 3
Keep in mind strange supreme swallowed a Galaxy that Ultron set to just explode yet what if season 2 is just what if Captain Carter did everything like Doctor strange was the hard carrier of the team when they were going up against Ultron with the Infinity stones
He swallowed the explosion not the galaxy
@@axelnilsson5124That is even worse lol
@@Blaidd1298 how’s that?
@@axelnilsson5124 An Explosion of a galactic scale has more power to it than an actual Galaxy, just like how the explosion of a Grenade has more power than the Grenade itself.
@@Blaidd1298 I see then that feat is insane but we get this
Strange Supreme at this point should be even stronger than the stones or any of the artifacts, hell he couldve known the secrets of the Darkhold too, given the number of entities and demons he possessed...but then again this is Disney Marvel. Season 1 was awesome then this is just disappointing
There's still one thing I can't understand. There were much discussion about just how Peggy was able to wield all of the Infinity Stones and how her alliance with Kohorty was a gamechanger - it's all can be explained, yes.
I have another question - how in the Nine Realms vibranium still able to withstand all the power of Strange Supreme and not even crack? Must I remind that equal shield was broken by Thanos with just his blade and physical strength? And Thanos WAS actually defeated by Strange Supreme, we saw it in the same episode!
Not to mention, Wanda’s raw power was enough to break Thanos’s blade, the same blade that destroyed Cap’s shield, so if Wanda could do that in her infinity war era before she was even fully powered, there’s no possible way Supreme wasn’t powerful enough to do the same at this point if not completely disintegrating it on contact, i mean we’re talking beyond multiversal level
Right!!!! Right???? Thank you for pointing this out, i have never seen one mentioning this. The vibranium's only one of the most powerful (that we know) on earth, not universal, not to mention multiversal now 😭
@@banganne602lmao. Vibranium isn't the most powerful on earth. Adamantium is the most powerful, ask wolverine about adamantium lol
@@Selmonbhoi1965 oh okay thank you!! Now i know!!
vibranium plus magic makes some weird things so i feel like vibranium plus infinity gems would do so much more
So I assume we’re just going to ignore the fact that only very powerful beings can wield even a single infinity stone, not to mention all of them.
Peter quill was half celestial and almost died from the power stone alone
Thanos hulk and Tony needed gauntlets
Hulk was made of gamma and couldn't take the gamma from the gauntlet
Tony well... died
Thanos was a different species which was extremely durable considering the gaurdians strange Tony n Peter team had to do so much just to make him bleed a little
Agent carter solos the verse fr fr
My bro just ate mjonir like peanut 🥜
But captain carter punching him and giving him hard time 😂😂😂
What marvel editors think , is captain carters hands are stronger then mjonir 😂😂😂😂
Also her shield not breaking despite uru and godly weapons breaking in general, talk about a real joke.
🤣🤣🤣 so pathetic
@@carloz1536 i mean he never really attacks her shield in that form, he just headbutts her away sending the shield and he flying
supreme strange is capable of destroying an entire universe but which is something not even the infinity stones can do and somehow he still lost? oh wow marvel, he quite literally can match and even surpass the powers of the infinity stones combined- ultron who was capable of destorying galaxies was surprised by strange's power like-- HE SHOULD HAVE WON
I wish strange supreme said at the end before he fell into the forge “Fly you fools” as this parallels both the balrog and Gandalf falling into the abyss.
The reference was obvious enough
I mainly just hate how they took away all the meaning from Supreme Strange’s tragic story in his season 1 episode
Yea, I can eyeroll at Captain Carter and Kahhori beating Supreme Strange. What I cannot accept is that they wrote Strange here to have learned nothing from Season 1, which is stupid. Strange is not stupid!
@@SoraRaidathey shouldve made it a Sinister Strange variant. Couldve kept Strange Supreme as he was while also keeping him for future stories
Ok how did strange get beaten, like they should've explored and explained it more, and him turning bad again is pretty annoying like he was supposed to be redeemed and doing he's punishment.
Terrible writers who must destroy likeable characters and replace them with generic ones
i mean at the end he gave up, if he wanted to he could of won but he chose not to.
Remember fellas
This is the same chick that got killed by her own shield in Doctor Strange Multiverse
While Thanos and Hulk almost died when they used infinity stones.
Tony died from it, Peter Quill, A Half God nearly Died when he just touched one.
Not the same chick just similar backstory
Thanos used the stone multiple times without dying wdym. It only does significant damage when you snap/bring back people.
@@axelnilsson5124is she made from uru in this universe? Get your head out of the multiverse toilet and think straight- she is the same Carter from MoM
@ just not literally
I really hate they made strange a villain again bruh and i can't really take captain carter taking no risk holding the 7 infinity stones in her hands like at least she should've lost an arm
yeah I find it stupid they essentially erased his entire redemption arc to make him a villain and Carter should have definitely had some drawback to using the stones while they were in her hands
An arm? She should have been deleted from existence. That would be better.
Her armour broke, she should have just died, or if she was lucky, her arm would just disintegrate and that's be that.
Wait 7?
How can Captain Carter tank a blast from the destroyer? Captain America couldn’t. That blast is powerful enough to hurt and potentially kill Thor.
Also, how is she using all of the infinity stones without any damage? Hulk couldn’t even do that.
They should have had Hela beat Strange, that would have at least been believable. Someone over at what if has a hard on for Haley Atwell. Her strongest form should be equal to Captain America. She isn’t equal to Thor or Hulk on her best day.
The armour lets her use the stones, exactly the same reason killmonger used the stones in the last season. Strange even comments on it in this clip.
Plus she's female. That adds up to over 9000 Plot armor
@@Barely_Editedthat doesn’t explain the scene where she held them in her hand. Or the fact she can beat Strange just throwing hands, even without the infinity stones?
Hela with infinity stones would be way more realistic, it's just absurd how a human can wield 6 frickin infinity stones.
It's worse when the armour breaks and she's still able to hold all the stones, which should have disintegrated her on the spot. People reaching into their assholes and making bs excuses to defend this nonsense is also ridiculous, Carter should not have been able to even wear helas crown let alone anything else she had.
What if writers are literally on dr*gs
0:37 uhhh what was he about to say…?
Carter killing supreme strange is so madness, Scarlet witch with Hela would at least make some goddamn sense!
Literally i can't beleive it. i only have one thing to say and that is they both are nothing against strange and he himself sacrifised and was not defeated
literally plus the kahoori character i liked her episode but in this finale she was just shouting on strange and saying bad like she can defeat her easily what this needs to have an ego check strange could killed her but again plot armor i guess
@@emadraza3698well she wasn’t wrong…
Now the writers aren't only Flash's worst enemy, they are now Strange's too
It's weird that Tony died after wielding all the stones once, even the entire Guardians group needed to band together just to hold the power stone, but Peggy can hold all of them in one hand and channel all of their power with no problems at all
Love how they immediately know how to use all sort of weapons and gear from different worlds and realities perfectly
It doesnt make any sense how dr strange was able to capture more powerful villians like infinity gauntlet Thanos, ultron,hela and what not but couldnt beat kahouri and carter. And carter just punched her away out to beat strange
He probably took them by surprise
It doesn't make any sense how dr strange is repeating his mistake of bringing back Christine
@@SoraRaida you have a point
Tony Stark from heaven watching this shit how she’s using all infinity stones without even a scratch on body 😂 6:46 wtf 😂
Honestly thought strange was gonna do a nick fury and gather people to fight a new big baddy but nope disappointing
That’s America Chavez’ job
Girl power again. This is what slowly kills MCU. And not just girl power. A she-grunt hero wielding all stones and surviving.
The black panther also had a handful at 6 and didn't die because she couldn't either
@@ryangabrielsantos4220 he alsoo had ultrons armor which broke on Peggy, so yeah she should have disintegrated
@@carloz1536 it could easily just be the stones falling out not the armour breaking, also who's to say the gauntlets from the armour stayed in tack so she could grab the stones.
This plot was something out of 2 children arguing during play time
What makes me confised is we had so much build up for Hela herself to be the one to be the liberator. I think it honestly would have been better if we seen Hela fighting for all life.
This is probably a universe where simple basic fighting logic does not apply
Okay, so if the forge needed the combined power of all the world-enders to work, but just throwing Strange in was enough, that means he ALONE is more powerful than hundreds of world enders at once. He should have wiped the floor with Carter.
So all we had to do was watch Captain Carter playing Gandalf with the balrog falling into the chasm of Khazadum😊
6:46 This was so stupid 😂
Ik. How did she not die from holding all the infinity stones?
@@alexperez1591apparently kahori put a force field around them
Bro even regular human beings (if they have those jelly beans) could defeat supreme strange with that kind of logic 💀.... He can't do anything with that plot armour she got 😂
@@Jranthony04tf
@@Jranthony04yh but wouldn't that force field around it stop Carter from using its power
This show me about how character scaling just doesn’t work on fiction, it’s depend on writer only 💀
Of course it does,it's just a tv show. People need to get their heads out of the cloud and realize the writers decide who wins
Mary sue vs chad strenge.
I'm glad this episode happened. Now we have context for just how bad a multiversal conflict can get with all the tools that Marvel has. And keep in mind, this would only be a skirmish. How bad would all-out war be?
literally happens to Strange every time
first time he’s introduced he’s a god, he’s respected and actually uses his abilities.
everything after they nerf the hell out of him.
He Had Sacrificed his Whole Life For Christine but What Happened He Reborn his World but Without Himself
Strange had powered up so much he wasn’t hurt in the least by any of the attacks, even a direct strike from all the infinity stones barely managed to stun him long enough to lose control of the demons he absorbed, the only thing that could even kill him was the forge that he made, and he chose to go willingly.
TBH, I can buy Carter being able to wield a lot of the things she does in this episode, namely the infinity stones since it has been established since Loki Season 1 that their power and usability depends on the universe in question and you could theoretically afford to add more if they’re not at full power. That being said however, I feel like the priority was making all this a spectacle without thinking about how it works narratively later (which is Strange because other episodes balanced both very well). This really isn’t something you can’t do just because you can and completely expect everyone to follow.
Never seen hela so helpless before..😅
😂
We did a great first season of What If. Let's screw it up everything with the second one!
Facts: Supreme Strange spent centuries digesting Heavy creatures just to be beaten by Carter whom can be killed with a bullet. Carter Wielded infinity stones with ease.
Carter punches on Supreme Strange is equivalent of Mjolnir thrown from Kahori with Powerful radiation. King Thor, Hela and Several powerful creatures can't escape strange free fall into his Machine despite their weapons and levitation ability.
This scene is the most controversial scheme ever in Comics. The goal is to nerf as many as possible superheroes/Powerful creatures to make Carter/Kahori shine. Same was done in Hela Vs Odin fight. It's such an eyesore
Tell me your character is a Mary Sue, without telling me they’re a Mary Sue…
Quick reminder that Strange Supreme carried the team when they were fighting Ultron and now lost to Peggy 💀
Wait, didn't Strange supreme to be more humble? That's literally his plot in What if s1 (still prideful, but more understanding)... And now sometime later... he just became evil? Like what???
Man... Marvel is just taking Ls after Ls since phase 4. If they can't make creative ideas on a literal "choose your own adventure" type of show... Then there is no hope but to reboot everything past phase 3.
Like c'mon, this show now has become a missed opportunity.
And this how we take 2 perfectly good fight scenes and merge them together so that you can't enjoy either of them
う〜ん…このシリーズも目覚めちゃったのか…
In no way did they just kill Supreme Strange my legit favorite character of What if?!!???? Bro do the MCU writers just hate the fans 😭😭
MF Strange Supreme if he would have absorbed that One damn Bug that he stole the Cafe from he would have won 😢
The captain Carter flashbacks of her being way way older than captain America are actually super cool
Damn. Now Loki is pretty much the only good thing Disney marvel has produced. What if was pretty good on S1, but this fight just takes everything marvel has built up over the years and throws it out the window. Strange, who can apparently just eat mjölnir, is unable to leave even a scratch on Carter's puny vibranium shield. Carter, who is shown to die by getting sliced in half on MoM by having her shield thrown at her, is now suddenly able to grab the 6 stones with her bare hands and leave unscathed. Also, lets be real, strange should've smoked these girls lmao. There's ways to make girlboss characters and ways not to. Wonder Woman is an example of this. Heck, even S1 Carter is pretty cool. But suddenly she can beat Strange Supreme? I'm not buying it.
As for Carter's sidekick on this scene, sure, I understand her backstory and everything (albeit it's not historically accurate at all), but hey, we gotta critizise imperialism, don't we? Thing is, they picked the only country that actually issued laws which protected the natives on the newly discovered lands lmao. If you insist on having a female character defeat Strange, let it be someone who can believably do that, like Hela or someone else. This scene doesn't leave me thinking: Wow, what an awesome fight! This female character is now one of my fav heroes. It leaves me thinking: Damn, that sucked. I liked Carter but the writers destroyed the character here in an attempt to make *another* woke female character.
What If was garbage anyway, Marvel should go the DC route and animate their best comics (comic Civil War could be a whole series by itself) instead of making an ouroboros of a human centipede with the MCU
"Things just got out of hand."
- Strange Supreme
Its because of the watcher was secretly empowering Peggy that's why she was able to hold the stones and even do the things she did
The watcher was the hero all along😅
Man marvel has just been going down the “women are the strongest in the the multiverse” way and it’s starting to get annoying like OP ass character are getting defeated like they aren’t powerful
6:46 MF should have just turned into atoms the moment she touched it wth, by this logic, Tony should still be alive
Ronan held the power stone for like 20 seconds and was completely fine.
@cythism8106 yeah, one singular stone and only for a few seconds before putting it on his hammar, you could even say his Kree armour withstood some of the damage
@@Dawn23716 wasn't Carter also wearing armor? Not to mention she held the stones for all of one second.
@@cythism8106 the kree race is much much superior to normal humans.
@@cythism8106that armor is bullshit, it makes no sense. Ultron was able to wield the stones cuz he's a bloody robot, they don't get affected by radiation but look at thanos,hulk and tony, they were rekt by the stones power and radiation but this mf Peggy somehow managed to hold em and use em without dying from the radiation. Welcome to the Era of M-SHE-U
The ten rings are such an interesting item and MCU turned them into magnetic bands.
Wtf is this powerscaleing and isnt "kahhori" using just base space stone power like wtf is happening
@@KingHomosapien72 Worse when her episode earlier showed her biggest feat was being able to hold back an armada of ships at a shore, and even then some cannon fire was enough to send her back, then out of nowhere she's shown to be equal to God tier level beings
Infinity suit, legendary weapons, and yet it took stranges willpower to beat himself. Which is why his true potential is kept a secret in movies otherwise thanos was a joke to this guy 😂😂😂.
They glazed Peggy a lil too hard in this season..
It was in the most decisive battle that the Doctor decided not to use all his cool spells and techniques and chose to make do with "this." 😑
What if is literally excuse for bad writing
Have you ever read a What If comic? They are usually pretty nonsensical. Just have some fun and get off your high horse.
@@lucascassol2995 You can have fun and have some credible writing, not much success for marvel lately with fun writing
That’s true but context is also important, the spin off-short form stories in animation are pretty perfect for just having fun with ridiculous concepts, even if it’s nonsense.
I think you're confusing writing quality with premise. Not everything needs to be the equivalent of a 5 star meal, sometimes you just want a drive thru burger or a microwaved mac 'n cheese for lunch. If you still insist on having a 5 star meal you can go eat at another place, you don't just keep going to Comic Book McDonald's expecting a Wagyu Beef.
Hell, make your own meal if you can't stand them serving you trash.
@@youraverageguy4930this was the final episode of the season. It had to be 5 stars. So your argument is invalid
They nerfed Strange badly
Supreme Strange in Season 1 should have power equal to Infinity Ultron and in these Season 2 he should have power at least close to The Watcher himself.
They literally do dirty to him, and throwing away all of his character development.
"It's only just a cartoon, I should really just relax..."
Please no more Peggy Carter.
Supreme strange just upping surpassed the infinity stones and tanked a blast from all of them and a bunch of other powerful weapons from across the multiverse and just got back up
Dr strange supreme is real alpha character not peggy
Please write Marvel's scripts, they are too high on the girlboss crack to do it themselves
Crazy that they turned the best character into a villain that got defeated by the scriptwriters and not the Mary Sue protagonist(s).... God damn it Disney
God, what bullshit. I watched the first season for the amazing Strange, but in the second there was not a single normal plot at all. And as a finale, this is... "something".
Does this mean the time stone is literally erased too along with the other creature things inside him
I never liked strange but it's pretty sad how they did him dirty
M-She-U never fails to disappoint, again and again.