Cold Start Massey Harris 30 and Thoughts About 12v Conversions
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2022
- The early 1950's Massey Harris has been sitting a few months and needs to be moved. It is in line for a freshening up of the ignition and electrical circuit, but time has not allowed. A machine with higher priority needs repaired first so today we just do a cold start on the old Massey. At the same time we have a basic discussion about the old tractor and the upgrades electrically that its in store for.
This old tractor on occasion would fail to start with the ballast resistor in the circuit. BUT...that was always with a partially charged battery. Now a battery charged to 12 or 12.3 volts will spin the starter, but with a ballast resistor, there's not enough of a shot of voltage available to fire across the plugs with the resistor cutting the voltage to the coil. Lowering the coil input also lowers the coil output. The result is a weak or poor spark and failed ignition of the air/atomized fuel mixture entering the cylinder. A simple bypass of the resistor would usually cause it to fire up instantly. That is going to be repaired, just not now.
The second thing to change in the electrical circuit is to change the ammeter to a voltmeter. No, it's not just as simple as removing the wires from one gauge and install them on the other gauge. An ammeter must be connected in 'series' of the load, causing all the load to pass through the ammeter resulting in a movement of the needle... Now, the voltmeter needs to be installed in parallel with the applied voltage. If it is connected in series with the circuit loads, it will be come a load and divide the electricity in the circuit by half. If its a large load, the high amperage will overburden the workings of the voltmeter and render it useless. The good thing about a voltmeter is you can see the condition of the battery the instant the key is turned on. A partially charged battery will show correspondingly low voltage. THEN....when the alternator or generator becomes energized and produces output voltage back into the battery, you will instantly SEE the increased voltage on the voltmeter. No guessing if its charging or not, the answer is easily visible. To illustrate the points, if you feel like it, take a few minutes and follow through this diagram for a '72 2000 Ford : • Delco 3 Wire Alternato...
Near the end of the video I am met with a bit of a surprise...you'll have to watch to see....I can't tell ya everything man !! LOL #coldstartmasseyharris30, #continentalF162flathead, #whyavoltmeter - Розваги
Hey Wendell! Wow she started right up and sounds great to me! Bummer about your glasses lense falling out. They should definitely fix that for free!
Hot doggies Martin, I hope so. I spent enough on them to begin with !! LOL. I couldn't figure out at first what that sound was......plink.....oh, why's one eye fuzzy.....oh....dang.
My favorite tractor all time as granddad owned one
These little 30's are just the right size for a small operation. Just big enough to be not too big !! I have 4 of them. Three are daily drivers and one is a parts tractor. Glad to have sparked a memory of your Grandpa.
Well they eye doctor can’t argue with you you have it all on film!😀🇨🇦keep that old iron running sir!
Hahahaha...I still haven't been able to get in to get them repaired yet Keith. LOL Yeah, I do kinda like the old iron....especially rusty ones.
That 30 starts just like my 8N (has the 12v conversion). Bulletproof and reliable tractors, and a few more HP on the Massey. I like the draft control on the 8N, and it's been in the family since my wife's grandfather bought it new in 1951. Has always been a reliable old iron family member. (Similar to my Gravely 4-wheelers)
These old things were rarely fitted well with three point systems. There were aftermarket ones made by Saginaw and Danuser, but they lacked the actual 'Ferguson System' design of throwing the draft created by the implements onto the rear wheels to aid in traction. The Massey guys did have a rockshaft connected to the hydraulic ram, but it was best suited mostly for the two row cultivators, and some with a crude farm loader of their own design. The later models though, were fitted with a fair three point on the 33, 44, 333 and 444 series. None ever were as well fitted as the Fords with the Ferguson designed system like your 8n and of course many later models. I'm glad to hear your old machine stayed in the family and is a smooth runner !!
Easy starting and smooth running👍. Not even the glasses are as good as they used to be😀.
Hahahahaha....astute observation my friend !! LOL. They just don't make 'em like the used to do they....tractors OR glasses. LOL
I have the exact same tractor. I'm in Canada, SW of Edmonton. Runs like a top, narrow front. Love those Continentals.
Yessir, these little flatheads are pretty bulletproof. Such a reliable little engine. There seems to be a heck of a lot of old Masseys up there because they produced them somewhere up there. The other factory was in Racine Wisconsin, so there's a lot in the upper midwest of the US as well. We had a local dealership, so we have quite a few in this area, but not nearly as many as you guys !! Thanks for the comment Joe...I appreciate the corroboration on the reliability of the Massey line !!
I have to keep a second pair of glasses so I can to repair the other ones
Yes Dave, that's exactly why I keep the old pair. Emergency use only !!
Good day Sir, love that Massey Harris 30 ( that is exactly my father tractor !!! ) like reading your OUTSTANDING very well written text Sir !!! You are taking very seriously your tractor stats Sir : ) OUTSTANDING Cold Starting Sir !!! What 4 months old glasses !!! I guess that was your end Q time LOL : ) Ho boy, really safety glasses ??? OUTSTANDING video Sir Cheers !!!
Yes, I remember you talking of your Dad's MH 30. Super tractors for sure. I have three daily drivers and one parts 30 to keep the other 3 running. LOL. I'm SURE your dad's was all painted pretty and spit shined.... not at all like this old crusty, rusty and trusty old hussy !! LOL Thanks Dave for the fun comment. I've gotta move this one to make room for the 430 Case up here by the shed. Tractors HAVE their priorities too !! LOL
@@tractorman4461 LOL, well he did paint it and you are right it was to spit shined military standard : ) ( How wonder how did you guest !!?? ) LOL That is soo funny to read ( this old crusty, rusty and trusty old hussy ) LOL !!! Yes in deed in accordance ( ER ) emergency repair or TBDR ( Aircraft Oupssy, Tractor Battle Damage Repair ) type LOL Cheers Sir !!!
@@RCAFpolarexpress Hmmmmm....just how DID I know that. I'm thinking the apple didn't fall far from the tree...... LOL Enjoy the evening my jovial Canadian friend !!
@@tractorman4461 LOL, my father was very well know about the use of the various paint and that include also the yellow as well : ) Cheers and thank you Sir !!!
Not a whole lot you don’t know about MH tractors! Enjoyed the video, all the pertinent details in the beginning transcript but was as surprised as you when the lens fell out. Your face was a Kodak moment as their commercial used to say!
Well, losing the lens was quite unexpected. LOL. It seems to always happen when something is new. Like a brand new pair of Red Wing steel toes will almost always get knicked with the ax or chainsaw, (don't ask lol), a new phone will always get knocked into the sink, (again, don't ask lol), and a new car will always get a shopping cart ding !! Its the way of the world....damn that Murphy guy. Jus' sayin'.
@@tractorman4461, yep wash the car or windows and it rains, never fails!
She started up better than my truck! LOL Sorry about the glasses, Wendell. It's really frustrating when that happens, especially when they're prescription. I wear $30 readers when I'm "out in the field" and I go through 4-5 pair per year due to wear/tear. Love the sound of the MH!
The pair before these were $530.00. These weren't quite so bad though. But they aren't titanium frames either. I really like those frames that cannot be bent out of shape. Well....within reason anyway. It'd kill me to go through that many pair in such a short time !! That'd put me in the poorhouse for sure.
Massey Harris tractors are awesome, love tin work shape on them as well, when I was working on the Farmall water in the oil issue a while ago I step on my brand new pare of glasses that fell out my pocket, flat as a pancake, and believe me I bent the frame all up and insert one glass again, not a scratch on the to worry about. Nice video Wendell
Dang, that's not good to step on your glasses. LOL I've done that one time in the past as well... Don't you just hate it when that happens. Massey's are my favorite color of red. Farmalls are my second favorite shade though !!
First vehicle I drove as a kid. Gladstone (Coldstream) Manitoba .1964
Cool. Thanks for stopping in and watching today Vern. There's plenty other videos on these old tractors here on my channel. Try this playlist if you have a little extra time: ua-cam.com/play/PLk72G9DTzZ1uWqQ2hDCRVubPve9JlLzhw.html I don't remember all what's in there though.
@@tractorman4461 thank-you
Started right up. Love the old school tractors. Seems even glasses fall apart these days. Hard to get anything worth what it costs now. Hope they do you right on them my friend. Liked,shared. All my very best.
I'm sure they will take care of it. But if not, I've had to look through worse in the past. Thanks for watching Bobby. Take care and enjoy the rest of the evening.
@@tractorman4461 Thank you my friend.
Love the sounds of the old tractors. Starting and running!
Hahahaha....me too. The sounds of them running are much better than the sound of them being pulled or pushed into the shed !! LOL
Dang Wendell I’ve never seen lenses just fall out like that!! Lol.
Hahahaha....It took a few seconds for me to realize what the 'plink' sound was...then I realized first that one eye was seeing fuzzy.... LOL Well it ended the video and I was just getting warmed up on the 12v stuff too !!
Good info on the volt/amp meter use!
That's the logic I use. Its really handy if you have one with the Petronix Electronic ignition, They want a full 12.6Vdc to fire perfectly. No guessing with the voltmeter adaption.
Good video Wendell Massey started up great hope you get your eye glasses fixed up they should fix them with a new lens no charge take care Bud good luck
I sure hope they take care of it. They cost enough for sure !! These little Continentals almost never fail to fire.
Nice video Wendell. You might want to set up a glasses repair shop and put your own eye doctor out of business or show them how lens are properly installed. Very frustrating.......
Hahahaha...it took a second to dawn on me what happened. But the one eye going fuzzy kinda tipped me off. LOL
I got a MH 22. It hasn't ran in years. But one day it will. Thanks for sharing your experiences on the Massey
The 22 should've had the F140 in it, if I am remembering right Jeff. I too had one a few years back. These little Continentals are a superb engine. The only parts I wasn't able to verify location of was the hardened exhaust valve seats. All other parts are readily accessible. Expensive, but available. The F124, F140 and F162 have common valves components and are the same block with the same stroke but just different bores. Thanks for watching and if I can help ya, just ask. But no guarantees though....LOL
I hope your glasses were repaired/replaced at no charge!
Good engine there, started right up, ..... nice!
Naw, I haven't had the time to go in yet, but I stuck 'em back in and tightened the screw super tight !! But it DID chip out a piece right on the edge. Dang it. Oh well, now I see life through a prism.....
@@tractorman4461 Don't you always? Hahahaha! Sorry I just couldn't let that go, it was too easy.
@@regsparkes6507 Well that is the burden I bear for eternal optimism Reg....LOL Have a great evening my Northern friend.
@@tractorman4461 This is why I subscribed in the first place! My day starts or ends, on a better 'note' after watching things get done by "Tractorman44".
@@regsparkes6507 Thanks for the morning smiles along with the cool compliment Reg.
She runs great! I had a glasses failure also; the screw came loose and the lense fell right out.
Hahahaha....man, I hate it when that happens. I always wondered when it would happen while out on the highway with the Harley....but so far......
You need Massey Harris glasses! Now ain’t that something? New glasses and the lens takes a dive! I wore glasses from 5th grade until about 15 years ago when my eyes changed for the better. Still need reading glasses if I have dim light and especially if I’m tired. My last good pair I sat on my lawn tractor while I was laying on the ground fixing something and later ran over them never finding a trace. Well anyway, I saw some old Massey restored tractors at R&T that I wanted to take home. So shiny and pretty but there is more beauty in something that has and is still serving it’s purpose. Like the Shakers said, “ That which has in itself the highest use, possesses the greatest beauty”. So I recon that includes us? Maybe? That old tractor just puuuurs along singin a song! It must be sweet on you starting so pretty and all! Don’t let The Missus know cuz she might just,,,,,,well we won’t even think about it! Do give her squeezes from me as usual! I still sure do wish you were here at the picnic too! Well one day it will happen! I’d best do a few things on this lovely afternoon! Got a good report with the doc, another drug to help with whatever to try. I do believe the Doc said old tractors are tops for good health! I’ll have to get one! So as I’m tippin and sippin your way as I will in the morning, this is DaveyJO anna outta heer ! Kind Thanks for some Lovely Tractor Porn!
I been wearing glasses since I was 13....and they seem to get worse every year too !! Ain't some of those fancy-pants Massey's pretty...?? I'll get around to putting a facelift on one sooner or later. Might not though. You know stuff gets a bit busy around here. All the time too !! Good to hear the doctor gave you a Siskel and Eberts 'TWO THUMBS UP' on your oil change and tire rotation today. I'll be skimming the overflowing emails and see iff'n I got a picnic pic or two.....and we can toast the shindig over a nice cuppaJO together in the morning !! Have a relaxing evening and the Missus almost caught me with a right roundhouse after that last squeezins I gave her....LOL
@@tractorman4461 Be Careful with The Missus fer ser! Siskle and Ebert, I like those guys and their movie reviews were pretty on target too. I rarely watch movies anymore. No tv either. Too busy doing DaveyJO stuff! Alice has Amazon prime and watches movies a good bit but I just don’t care much anymore. Anyway, it’s tippin together inna mornin as usual. The phone man is coming tomorrow supposedly, we shall see. So if no picnic pics now perhaps tomorrow. I first sent 2-3 at a time but one at a time a bit ago. My friend Tim, The Suba Guru is also a John Deer Dude. Has a 1949 JD he takes to thr R&T every year and a member there as well. He is also a fellow guitar player and wrote a great tractor song. I’ll have to get a copy of the cd we did some years back and send it. Has the tractor song on it. Anyway toast you inna morning my Ole Buddy 44 with the Squeezing Honey! DaveyJO
@@daveyjoweaver6282 I am going to the email again soon as I get done here.... Tim the John Deere and Suba guru and his tractor song. Sounds like a lot going on there DaveJO !! LOL Have a great day ol' buddy. I'll let you know what I think of the pics....sippin' anna tippin' right along with ya man. Btw, either the Missus likes to hear from you or she's likin' the squeezing....I can't tell. LOL
@@tractorman4461 As I’m tippin and sippin your way my Western Famlly, I wish you a Fine as Frogs Hair Day! Now a refill and on to Holler Stuff!
Enjoyed the explanation of why you like Massey Harris. Am sorry to see your relatively new lens bite the dust or in this case get chipped on the rock.
Like I told Reg above....now I will be looking at the world through a prism !! That is if I don't get it fixed..... just sayin'. I DO like Massey's for sure.
Hi tm44 .I have a massy Harris 33 .it's a nice tractor I think it has a continental engine in it.i have been trying to find a new block for it.the last owner somehow cracked block.it keeps getting antifreeze in engine oil when you let it sit.thank you for great vids .god bless
33's are sometimes the most difficult MH engine to find parts for Wayne. My suggestion is to join a Massey Harris Facebook group and put out some feelers or just scoot through the groups threads to find a 33 engine or an entire parts tractor. They are out there. Another option is that you may search out the guys that have installed a 260 cu in 44 engine in place of the 33's 201. I have not done it, but I think they bolt up. That may be the best route due to the more readily available 44 parts in the future. Thank YOU for watching the videos uploaded here.
Wendell, you have to do something about that flickering shop light in the background.
Yep you need to see your optician about those glasses. Are they glass? I've never seen plastic chip like that.
Great video.
Yes, they are glass. These are supposed to not allow hot sparks to embed or melt into the surface. But she didn't tell me they'd chip off that easy. I've had the composite lens before and they weren't too bad, but continual cleaning with a dirty shop towel seemed to always take its toll..... Hahahaha.... I've not noticed the flicker Rick. I'll have to check that out. Well, if I'm starting a saw or something yes, but not just setting there turned on. But you know there are some that see flickers on 12vdc LED tail lights and other LED lights that trigger epileptic siezures. THAT's freaky !! I just don't see it though. I'll pay attention tomorrow though.
@@tractorman4461 I ordered glass lenses a few years ago but I'm so nearsighted that the weight of the glasses on my nose dug holes.
My last set of glass safety lenses had weld and grinding splatter imbedded in them but that was many moons ago and I am sure the technology has improved.
@@rickburris6164 My Much Older Brother has a set that the grinding sparks just bounce off of too. But I don't know what they are. Glass is heavy for sure. But I think I see things much more crisply with glass. Might be imagination though. My last pair were dotted all over with melted in pieces of grinding dust. Real bad.
🤦🤦🤦🤦🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The expression bon your face, after looking down seeing your lens on the ground has me rolling still🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I watched it like 10 times Mr Wendell, that was epic footage there!!! 😁😁😁 OK now back to the beginning!! That little 30 is amazing, now it was a 162 right 😉😉😁😁😁 This one was a great video for sure!! Would you consider doing one of your great tutorial videos on the amp/volt swap? I was just thinking about that the other day using dad's 165, how I would love to be able to tell the actauloy alternator output. I hate wiring on meters like that, my OCD gets in the way!! I would love to see a step by step one day of you ever think about it!! Can't believe how well they start, kinda reminds me of the Oliver! Yes sir Mr Wendell, this one was amazing as always, and the good laughs! But I hope the optometrist doesn't give you to much grief!! Thank you my friend, love every min of it!! Look fwd to more sir!! 😁😁😁👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I showed it to the Missus and she reacted the same way....Insisted I not cut it out. LOL Yes, its a 160 flathead. I did draw a pretty good total wiring diagram describing the whole thing all the way through when I changed the Lucas electricals on the '72 2000 Ford 3 cylinder. Here it is here: ua-cam.com/video/PXIh78bDr0U/v-deo.html Actually here's the whole changeover short series: ua-cam.com/video/vemzqnr6iEk/v-deo.html Feel free to FF to the good parts. I know I get a little carried away and don't know when to park it on occasion. If you still have a question of what to do after slipping through these, let me know and I'll see if there's a way we can work trough the problem. Adding a voltmeter would be pretty easy especially if you want to keep the ammeter in place. The hardest part would be to find a clear spot to add a 2'' gauge that's not objectionable. The wiring isn't much at that point because basically it will just reference the switch terminal that gets hot when the key turns on and a good ground. Take care Nelson and have an even better day tomorrow my friend !! And thank YOU for taking the time from your hectic schedule to watch a poor retired country boy goofing off out here in the woods !! LOL
@@tractorman4461Man yeah, more good videos to watch!! Thank you for that my friend!! I think I have the perfect spot😉😉 You are a scholar sir!! Thank you so much!! The glasses, just epic....I will never forget that look my friend!! 😁😁😁😁 Always sir, wouldnt miss a min of them, so glad I found your channel!! Thank you sir, hope you do as well my friend!!👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸😁😁
@@Pennies_on_the_dollar I hope I explained my thoughts on the subject well enough in one of those vids. I'm like you, I don't prepare anything for a video. Its pretty much all off the cuff. Then later I think...Dang, I shoulda said this or that instead. Me and editing have a love/hate relationship. I love to HATE the process... LOL Have wonderful day Nelson.
@@tractorman4461 Yes sir, you sure did!! And thank you for that!! Hope you have a wonderful day as well Mr Wendell!! Yes sir, I figured really quick...how to not have to edit much, but then y'all get stuck hearing me babble nonstop 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Pennies_on_the_dollar Hahahahaha.... That's funny.
I get the same way in my vids. My head knows what I'm talking about, but my mouth says something different. (144 vs 162, ect).
You have video proof to take to the optometrist. 😆
Doc.
Well Doc, it's good to know the same verbal/mental disconnect happens to others too....LOL That's why back in the day I only dated girls with the same name....(-;
@@tractorman4461 ha ha ha! Good idea!!
The old Massey is running good but, you've got parts falling off! 😂😂😂 Could have been worse I guess. LOL 👍👍👍
Hahahaha....that's the story of my life !! LOL. I couldn't believe it. Stunned me a moment until I figured out why one eye went fuzzy.
@@tractorman4461 🤣🤣🤣🤣
long shot here and kind of off-topic..do you happen to know the spark plug wire order for the 30 from the distributor? Is it the same as the 20 and 40? i cannot for the life of me find a digital copy of the owner's manual. Thanks in advance!
The 162 Continental flathead firing order should be 1 3 4 2 in the MH model 30. Hope that helps you.
Have you ever seen a Behlen power steering on a MH 44? I have got to do some tinkering before winter. Leaking water.
Yes, I think I actually have on one of the 44's. Power steering is nice on those heavy front ends for sure. I have two with PS, both different.
@@tractorman4461 I knew I went to the right source. You are the Massey Harris guru! 👍
@@stevec5338 Hahahaha....now I wouldn't want to claim that as a title...but it sounds good. LOL.
Tractor man 44 we would get along gust fine us guys make do with what we have and do it at low cost think of you often working on my farm. Farmer don...
Thank you Farmer Don for such a favorable comment. I LIKE to make do with what's available. But if I have to, I will spring for the money to make the repairs.
My great uncle has a 33 that belonged to my great grandfather. It sat in a shed for a while and became locked up I need to go inside and see what’s going on. I’m nervous because I’ve heard parts are hard to get for these.
If it’s just stuck from condensation entering the cylinders, you should be just fine. Of course you may have to pull the pistons to hone the cylinders and re-ring it. But you are absolutely right there are a lot of parts that are not available for them at all. But on a good note, I am reasonably certain do I have not done it myself, that a 44 engine can be shoehorned in there with a little creativity. I’ve actually seen a 55 engine stuck into a 44 frame but I’ve only heard that a 44 can fit a 33. If that thing was inside the shed, it’s more than likely just oxidation on the cylinder walls. Good luck with your project !!
@@tractorman4461 Thank you for your input! I enjoy your videos keep up the good work.
@@taylorsunderlage5176 You reminded me that I have a 33 to work on that has a deteriorated manifold. Everything else was in pretty good shape though.
@@tractorman4461 You think you could do a video on it? You don’t find much on those anymore
I've got 2 Massey 30s. One has a 162 in it and the other one has a 140. The 140 is out of something else for sure and whoever installed it didn't do a very good job.
That's cool Jeremy. I'd take two more if they came along. LOL I have an old 101 Jr that should have the F124 and it has the F160 in it. They were so interchangeable through the series. Even on the small self propelled combines. There might have been some carb linkage changes here and there, but the engines were the same external physical size.
@@tractorman4461 yes I have a Massey ferguson 34 swather with a 140 in it. Good engine for a donation to a tractor
@@jeremycherny2041 I also have a flathead Continental out of a Baker forklift. But I don't recall what size it is. It has an odd bellhousing though. That'll have to come off for sure.
I always did like a 12 V battery on a 6 V starter it will really spin an old tractor over.
On a tight engine, 12v has been known to spin the starter ring too... But no matter to me because every 12v conversion I've done is with a 6v starter. I think the increased speed of rotation kinda compensates for an older and well worn low compression engine whose compression is even lower. The purists argue that 6v starts 'em fine if every thing else is correct. But the sad fact is not everyone has the ability or the money to pay someone to actually make everything correct on a worn out 60, 70 or 80 year old engine. In my estimation the 12v boost on the old tractors gets more people involved in the collection of old iron. Of course that's just my opinion....and we both know what THAT is worth. LOL
@@tractorman4461 I have rebuilt several engines and when I do I put higher compression pistons in the units. (Farmall M’s). The just simply won’t spin them since they hit the compression stroke and quite with the 6V system being up to snuff. 12 spins them right over. I’ve never experienced the ring gear coming loose and hope I didn’t jinx myself!😂😂
@@tinkerinbruce6560 I can see that as a result of hi comp pistons. I know of two that spun the ring gear with the 12v conversion and they were the larger bore engines. But I too have been lucky. We just heated up and installed a new ring gear on my brother's 8n just a few months ago. It was chewed off though.
My Harley does NOT start that good after only two or three days!! 😂
Hahahahaha.....well you only have half the pistons, so you have to try twice as hard Dave. LOL Good to hear from you my friend.
las viejas glorias que levantaron eeuu
Sí, eran una máquina muy confiable de la década de 1950.