DJ Cash Money vs Joe Cooley: 1987 New Music Seminar Battle for World Supremacy.
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- We, being the opinionated humans we are, cling to the need to feel right about every subject on a daily basis, Especially on social media. But I didn't create this post for you to seek confirmation from others on your opinion regarding who won a battle between two DJ titans. Nor does this post exist for you to validate your DJ I.Q.
Instead of pontificating I urge you to please save your breath and refrain instigating any form of debate with me or anyone else on this thread regarding the opinion you have from your couch. Pay less attention to the results of this battle and just enjoy the nuance substance demonstrated by each of these DJ behemoths.
DJ Cash Money vs Joe Cooley for the 1987 New Music Seminar title for World Supremacy.
*Join us Monday at The New School (66 West 12th Street: Building A - Room A404) University for a two part lecture with arguably the most innovative and accomplished DJ of the century Cash Money.
Part 1 commences at 4pm and finishes at 5:15pm and part 2 spans from 6pm to 7:15pm. This event is open to the public but entry will be based on a "first rsvp first serve" basis. Please rsvp at swiftr@newschool.edu and be sure to specify which lecture you plan on attending.
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2 of my favorites. We are all winners because of this battle.
Amen.
Two of my favorite DJs of the '80s together with Mixmaster Ice, DJ Scratch, DJ Magic Mike, Jazzy Jeff and the treach DJ Mr Mixx... Thanks for sharing Rob!
You are welcome sir.
Cooley should have won... insane and precise and innovative.
Rodney O , Joe Cooley And General Jeff Gotta be one of the most underrated groups in rap history
The amount of skill, in 1987...heads must have exploded after seeing this for the first time.
Yes, still are.Also bear in mind that these guys only had a few years to get to this level and with far worse Dj equipment, no internet so were really pushing the envelope to get to this level so quickly. How long does it take an average DJ to reach this level now?
This video version of this amazing battle is much better than the version I saw back in '88. Majority of all west coast DJs saw the version that I believe ICE-T recorded. ICE'S recording was further away from the stage. It was from the crowd's point of view. It's nice to see another much better version after all these years. Thank you for posting this up Rob Swift.
I can not believe they were doing this in 1987. Insane
Like a 27-inch Zenith - believe it!
@@djrobswift Raekwon’s ill 🎯 darts!
Wow
Had the audio for 31 years and never thought video footage existed of this.
Great link 👊🏼
Two major legends, two innovators. These men have directly influence how I dj
Looking at this battle when it happened and even now Joe Won this battle whatever he was much smoother and cleaner in his sett period
The reason Cash won because what he was doing took more skill to pull off. Cooley's set may have sounded better because it was less mistakes but when what your doing is easier to do it should be less mistakes
Growing up listening to Hip Hop in the U.k mid 80s, If I came across this at the time, this would if just blown my mind for sure!
Rob Swift thank you for posting, super fresh to see this again
I think I remember Rodney O dropped a verse about this battle in their song “Three the Hard Way”
Absolutely incredible for 1987.
Cooley's command of the 808 electro trumps the slower hip hop beats of the time. Much more difficult to move at 128 BPM, Cooleys Thrown hands down
Cash Money uses a 120/130ish bpm electro track in his first round though 🤔
HELLA True!
I would have love to see DJ Joe Cooley and DJ Aladdin battle their styles are very similar.
Both were and are exceptionally original.
This is a tie. Beyond that its AMAZING how two authentic ideas about DJing are expressed.
Wow!!!!!! They should have made them tag team champions! You can't really choose a winner. They both brought unique styles to the table!
Big up Master teacher Rob Swift!
Dope footage man UA-cam can be great thanks rob Swift !!! Really Big !!!
"UA-cam can be great" LOL.
Legendary battle!! Hard core!!!bigg props to both!!
wow this is so dope, I can only imagine being there in '87 watching this go down - thanks for posting!
Yessir.
best battle of its time no pun intended
haha
It's timeLESS.
lol this is still going
Thanks for the upload, Rob. This has been impossible to find for years.
Amazing talent from both..SALUTE the legends!!!
I guess that's the way they did it back then popular vote win Joe got robbed
Ricky Hampton Word, his shit was super duper advanced for 1987
The east was hella bias to the westcoast
I was there Joe won that battle period
Joe Cooley was robbed. The seminar should’ve been held somewhere neutral so they could be judged on their skill alone.
Facts
I wonder where DJs like Joe Cooley are today, alive and well i hope but there are so many DJs from back in the day who were very good but just happened to share a place in time with DJs from another planet so they never got the recognition the truly deserved (outside of dj nerds lol) thanks for posting this Rob Swift.
I chat to him on Facebook.....he still gets mad ill on the turntables 💪
Cooley, Cash, & Jeff, so much innovation came out of South Philly back then.
We didn't get these in the UK at the time? Cheers.
Joe Cooley murder that, Joe Cooley was at another level with them fast beats and scratches. DJ Cash money was just mixing songs at a slower paced.
He was using the switch which would make it sound more precise but agreed it sounded amazing.
@@maccagrabme And that's also why he lost.
@@thomasmartin5319 i was just gonna say that the east coast was biased on the line switched they looked at that as wack west coast djs loved the switch tho
2 great performances but I think Cooley edged him out. The crowd seemed to be pro Cash Money that night. 🤣
Nah bro, they were definitely Pro Cooley.
i think 2nd guy too for sure he was cleaner in this beat-juggles and scratching i never seen shit like that b4
@@quake-0017 nah bro I was at this battle Joe Won and everyone knew it they would always cheat the west coast Dj's back then until DJ Aladdin came along
@analher exactly joe Won this battle period
Doug Young - I definitely respect your opinion but in terms of actual DJ mechanics Cash got him. When Joe was killing Tour de France - he’s basically scratching one record while the other is playing. He leaned in his left hand and didn’t really use his right. And transforming with the line switch back then was a DJ no no. I saw an interview with Cash and he said that wasn’t his set up. They had to use someone else’s mixer and tables. That may have had something to do with it though. Classic Battle. Respect to both. What other battles did they rob the west DJs in? I definitely want to watch those too. Thansk
Incredible footage
Legendary...legendary
Man…both were so clean. No special turntablist mixers, no special needles or butter rugs. No serato. Salute to both DJs.
I can see how Cash Money won because he chose bigger Hip-Hop/east coast joints, but Joe Cooley had a more technically sound set. Joe Cooley would win if this was judged today.
I got my ears and my notepad ready. Thank you for posting. Pretty dope lesson n battle to end my wednesday night
joe cooley crushes it
Honestly this was one hell of a battle. Hard to pick a winner
Cooley was doing stuff DJ Q-bert did before Q bert was even out!!
I always heard this on cassette.. but ain’t never seen it...
CLASSIC!!!!!!!!
woooooooooooooooow wooooooooooooooooow listen I'm 47 yrs old and when I started cutting I thought I had just about every video of cashmoney , jazzy Jeff, cosmic kev, spinbad, this video is vintage classic and I thankyou robswift for sharing and putting this out there wow I was that kid in the basement LATE 80 s that could do everything and anything on the turntables I was an unstoppable MONSTER LOL. I WOULD CRASH PARTIES TO DESTROY DJS I WOULD NEVER DO THAT NOW THO..LMAO my SECRET LOL .WAS MY STASH OF VIDEOS AND CASSETTES. MY COLLECTION WAS IMPECCABLE LITTERLY INCREDIBLE ALL THANKS TO MY FRIEND LITTLE JASON AS WE CALLED HIM OVER HERE IN PHILLY HE WAS RELATED TO CHUCKY GO GO HE WOULD GIVE ME THESE VIDEOS BECAUSE I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD DO ANY OF THAT SHIT BUT I WAS TO YOUNG TO SHY TO COME OUT AND SHOW ANY OF MY NEW SKILLS AT THAT TIME .i watched the turntable game evolve a few times ...I thought it was gonna fade out for a second tho. .thanks to you and the xmen, ISP,beatjunkies,craze and the allies and turntabilist all over the world for keeping the ART OF TURNTABLISIM ALIVE. R.I.P ROC RAIDER FOREVER !!!!
Got any recordings of your stuff?
I'm very impress of how smooth DJ Cash pulled out his nikes without being distracted while performing this...
Could only get this on tdk in my youth days, thanks for this
both were very good
joe was beat juggling
another reason the quality might not be that good can be that it has been played a whole lot of times, it was the only format available back then..🙃🙃
Cash hands down!!! Those that know what Cash did, at that time was never seen before!!! Two turntables back to back, not just scratching on one turntable.
Now I can see the 2 distinct coastal style differences Joe Cooley helped shape the West I can see where DJ gatherings called Scratch fight come from
Cash deserve respect but this was not "hands down" for either...
Props to both legends but Joe Cooley for my vote
Great Battle!! surprise that neither one used the "just feel it" on the B-side of Al Naafiysh
"...But U can't get enough of Everlasting Bass" - "...& everybody check him out Ca$h Money's on the cut..." 2 of my fav DJz in a LLLLLLOOOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGGG list of DJz, goin' back to DJ Tommy from 203rd St. in Hollis/St.Albans back in '79!! Supa Legendary, & wut both were doin' wuz ahead of their time.
Now...IMHO, If i were a judge...I woulda gave it 2 Ca$h 4 3 reasons. 1. On his 1st set, Ca$h didn't use head phones at all, while Joe did, makin' Ca$h'z set more risky. In the 2nd round Joe got more risky by doin' a no headphone set with 1 body trick, & Ca$h used the headphones minimally. 2. 1st set - Ca$h did Body tricks, & still sounded good, & Joe did none. & 3. Also 1st set - Joe used the line switch AND did 90% of his work on 1 table, (so it wuz more of a timing thang, than a quik with 2 handz on the wheelz & fader thang, thus makin' it easier), while Ca$h used both & the fader. (which Joe got propz 4 doi'n' on his "It's Time" set in the 2nd round.) But i felt Ca$h did more with the Scratchin' stytlinz. (& hiz stylinz were craaaazy, & brand spankin', blow U away, new at the time, unless U were familiar with him & the other Philly DJz). So I woulda gave Ca$h the 1st round (usin' horse racing vebiage) by a length (a body), & the 2nd round woulda been Ca$h'z 2 (by a head) based on the fact that Joe wuz left hand dominant in his set & used the line switch 2 do his transformer type scratch, while Ca$h used both hands almost evenly, + he added the scratchin; flavor with a fader transformer, which i thought sounded better. At the very best, the 2nd round woulda been even. If a judge wuz using ONLY how the sets sounded, they coulda leaned Joe's way. Just how i viewed it from a judging perspective. Seein' how they work on the tables, makes a huge difference, & make the points made much clearer than if just hearing it, az i have for the last 37 yearz. Hearin' it ONLY makes it close with a nice lean towardz Joe. Seein' it putz the heavy lean in Ca$h'z favor.
Meanwhile...ALL 4 SETZ WERE LEGAL DOPE!! & DAMN! 37 YEARZ!?! That fact alone iz crazy!!! This IZ a timeless classic! Todah (Thanx) Ahki Rob 4 postin' this. Much luv & respect 4 all U do 4 the culture. YAH bless.
Tony A da wizard from the roadium radio interview of Dj joe Cooley brought me here and dam joe was one step ahead of cash. I guess even flavor flav who was there hosting or some shit said to Dj joe Cooley that he got robbed of that and I think he's right it'll be amazing seeing both these guys battle once more in their old age and see if they still got it like Tyson vs Holyfield 🔥 defiantly would watch these old school pioneers go at it
Legends!
Why is the VHS tape recording partially destroyed? It should be much better than that. (I'm not trying to be disrespectful.)
Based on this video Cash Money edges him out. Joe Coolie won round one though with that Tour de France!
I disagree. Joe didn't do anything with his right hand at all. He basically scratched in between the record while it was playing. It sounded good but was way too simple IMO
It sounded REALLY dope though. This is my first time ever seeing the video. When I heard the audio back in the day, that Tour De France routine sounded amazing and it still does... Again, Cash Money takes it overall.
Check the difference Cash did from an earlier round @ 00:00:29 where he beat juggles ua-cam.com/video/VBls6-oQWaI/v-deo.html
Yeah... None of them dudes was beating Cash. Joe Cooley was dope with the scratching but that right hand(icap) is what killed him.
that craftwerk shit was mad it was better that what cash was doing and fancy beat-juggling that was nixt lvl shit sorry but im siding with quake
Cash was badass but Cooley was a fuckin beast....
Rob Swift - Wow you da man this is whats its all about - Legends set in stone for eva thanks Rob swit executioners
How can they both kill it, one get booed and there not be a bias? lol
Scratch with is kick sneaker is funny DJ use to do anything to win a batte at that time 87s wow that was so many years I started on 89 with some cheap turntable it was hard I use to use my mother record n scratch n mess up her record no one show me I learn by watching the older DJ in the block party in the park in the Bronx NY that how I learn now DJ is more easy cus of the laptop back then it was real vinyl records respect to all those DMC that tried they best on they own style routine
Joe tore it up!!!
Both are legendary. But not sure who tf shouldve won. Since I dont know wtf was groundbreaking back in 87.
LoL Damn near evrythang they did wuz groundbreakin' in '87. LoL
I've been wanting to see this battle forever i only had the audio version
Even tho cash money did the shoe thing Cooley should have won
I'm a new Yorker and seen dj scratch uses his uptowns to scratch the record to see DJ cash money do it back then that's insane but who won the DMC you got look at it that way it's no disrespect to both of them they both the things that were new and excitement at the time like today's DJs I just follow up blueprint and make it there own
Joe Cooley was beat juggling Tour de France. It was close and cash went off but Joe Cooley won this one. His Tour de France and hashim cuts were both ahead of there time
you can't beat juggle with one turntable. Cash is beat juggling in this clip from an earlier round @ 00:00:29 ua-cam.com/video/VBls6-oQWaI/v-deo.html
i agree cleaner beat jugglings with crazy originally better scatching
The version Joe Cooley used was by 10-Speed
" from your couch" LOL LOL
I remember this in real time!, Joe Cooley got straight robbed!!!
heat
It was kinda biased back then people like DJ Aladdin, & Joe Cooley (from the West Coast) found it difficult to win on the East Coast.
Two scratch mix legends, basically could flip a coin to determine the winner. But I don't think people understand that Joe beat juggled those difficult fast tempo records with a wide bulky Numark mixer and his decks in the normal position. He had a much higher degree of difficulty. Knocking him for transforming with the line switch is dumb. I'm surprised he didn't break one off like I did many times on those cheap p.o.s DM-1150A mixers.
At that time using the line to transform was a big no no. Control of the crossfader was key
shytes fuckin dope lyk3 fr
Helluva battle! Five decades later, and the winner is.... 🤔🏆 🥇 🏅
roadium radio brought me here
It was on NY so they didn't want joe to win but he clearly did.
Saw cashmere live in sandiego back 87 a battle he good but resson us had issues wit newyork wit did folks boo Joe kooly.bias.thats newyork in 2000 went down cause how treat out towner I. Past
DJ Cash money
There is no way that you can tell me that DJ CASH MONEY did not create beat juggling. And this is the year 87. I've seen UA-cam videos that he was beat juggling in 86 . That's why I to me he is the best DJ. He's the only DJ from that era that can beat juggle.
It might be DJ Jazzy Jeff. He was on the David Letterman show in 86 when he won the technique seminar. And he was be juggling James Brown funky drummer.
There are DJs that will not give Philadelphia DJs their credit or there's a conspiracy with New York City.
Joe did it!
dj cahs money vs Joe cooley
pm 5:05
JUL . 15 1987
Joe Cooley seemed a little faster than Cash Money. But Cash cuts were more sharper than his.
Joe WHOOPED Cash bruh HANDS DOWN SMH........🤷🏿♂️that ONE winning point belonged to Him....Like always that East Coast/West Coast political stance kicked in when clearly both were dope but COME ON DUDE....Joe was bodyin shit no matter who He was battling💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾#BATTLEDANYBODY🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
But DJ Cash Money $$$🤑💰💸
How did this get 4 thumbs down...oh my bad cats that probably never touch vinyl 🤷
Jealous
joe wins !
Uncle Joe WON HANDS DOWN!
Cooley transformed all over cash money
Such a shame video cameras were worse than they were in the 1880s back then.
DJ Cash for sure did much better then Joe.. even in his LOWRIDER CONCERTS JOE BE SHOWING WITH only one of his turntables lack of proffesionalism.
My Nigga Joe Cooley got robbed
I have been watching DJ'ing since the 80's what the hell is Cooley doing , I like strictly crossfade dj not using a cheater to do something you cannot do with the fader.All hail the king.The green eyed brother brother with the green eyes remember that.
I like Cash Money but Joe Cooley got him. He was robbed.
Sound quality is shitty
Cooley was so clean. Definitely robbed
Joe was robbed
how the fuck you got this footage and then this view......??? and i see why cash money won
Please use Audacity to fix this horrible audio then re-post. Please!
I would have love to see DJ Joe Cooley and DJ Aladdin battle their styles are very similar.
Both west coast