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- From small game, to turkey-takedown specialist, modern shotshell design and components have taken the .410 shotgun to new levels - leveling gobblers in its wake. This untraversable caliber (.410 is not a gauge) can be packaged in petite shotguns, making them super handy, lightweight and easy to carry. It’s the perfect for folks looking for those attributes and an ideal fit for smaller-statured hunters. The fact it kicks like a butterfly, is another big plus, particularly when talking turkey loads. Shotgun manufacturers are meeting this growing trend head-on, producing purpose-bult .410’s with turkey-specific features to optimize the platform. Tune in to see if dusting off the 410 in the back of your gun safe, or investing in a new .410 is right for you.
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.410 was originally a British land owners round that steadily grew popularity as a light weight downed pilots round post WW2. Great for small game, defended myself and two other against wolves with it during a winter hunt/primitive camp. .410 is adequate as long as you dial it in well and know it's very short range limitations. Cool video idea you guys.
Ive recently switched out my truck gun to a 410/22wmr combo gun. Its the perfect combination of calibers for beating through the brush
.410 has been feeding me for years. Pheasant , Quail, Turkey, and does!!
What round for does? Thank you.
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What choke do you use to shoot slugs? I got a mossberg 500 410 with full choke
I’m 57 years old. I have hunted with my 410 since I was 11 years old. I have killed untold numbers of upland game of all types. I now have a new Henry single shot 410 that is totally awesome.
I don’t think it can become a “legit” hunting round when it already has been for decades
Exactly right!
Thank you!
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You are exactly right. Folks from where I live in S.C. have been cleanly taking deer and pigs with a .410 for a long long time.
I think the biggest challenge the .410 faces is getting past a lot of hunters' egos. They think it's a child's cartridge or a "starter gun" but used properly it is very effective.
#10minutetalk for cartidges should become #30minutesaboutcartridges. Love these things and always want more time! Keep up the good work guys!
TSS has been a game changer for sub-gauge shotguns.. 28g has been my go to for awhile
Grew up learning on a single shot 410, rabbits, squirrels, the occasional partridge. I still think it made me a better shooter. back when ammunition was easy to find I had a good 410 round that patterned well at 25 yards for my kids to hunt turkeys. I am going to get some TSS loads and see if I can leave the 3 1/2 12 at home.
I was 8 years old when I got my first firearm. It was a Sears & Roebuck bolt action single shot .410. It took a lot of squirrels and rabbits. Flying game is a different story. My brother did nail a woodcock with that same gun. My stepmother's father was a about 5' 6" and 120 pounds. He loved to turkey hunt with the .410. He had a break action single shot with full choke. He even shot deer with it before Missouri restricted deer to 20 gauge and higher for deer. He got a 12 gauge shotgun but hated the recoil. One of my uncles had a Savage Model 24 in .22 over .410. For him it was the best squirrel gun he ever had.
Wtf is a bolt action single shot?
It is a bolt action shotgun. It only holds one shotgun shell. They were very common when I was a kid. You learn to load real fast when you missed or there was more than one bird or animal.@@jamesrx4514
A bolt action single shot does not have a magazine. You load each shot in a breach
I think what some folks miss is that a #6 pellet leaving a 12 bore at 1300 f/s carries the same energy as a #6 pellet leaving a .410 bore at 1300 f/s....and you just said that...an analogy that I use to explain shot density to folks is throwing golf balls and ping pong balls. They are about the same diameter but the golf ball is much denser and that relates to how far it travels and how bad it hurts when it hits you.
I have two 410's. Mossburg 500 pump & Mossberg silver reserve over & under. Sweet little shotguns. everyone should have at least one 410.
I had four .410 single shot Savage guns. I have given 3 to my grand nieces and I have one more that's just about old enough for hers. I won't have any but they will hopefully enjoy them forever.
That's exactly how you should plan gun ownership. Pass them down to relatives. Hopefully they treat them as important family heirlooms and not quick pawn cash for their meth fix.
Do a talk on the 300 savage, a real old timer
I've hunted with a Stevens 410 for many years mainly in my youth. I and my hunting partner picked up Tristar semi-autos 3 years ago, and started reloading 3" hulls with TSS using the improved choke in #9s primarily for doves, and #7s for Turkeys, #7s for upland birds, #7s & #3s for ducks, geese and cranes. For waterfowl #7 TSS is in the pipe for the 1st round and #3 TSS for the other two. All of these loads have clocked 1420ish thru the crony. TSS has been devastating with these pellet sizes on everything we hunt. The #3 TSS packs quite a bit more punch (it equates to BBB lead shot) (and 40 to 60 yard is no problem) however, there is only 36 pellets so you need to be on your game. As others have said and I agree its a good idea to pattern your gun and its really a seasoned shooters gun. As a youth I started hunting with the Stevens 410 and probably went thru 15 boxes of shells before I ever hit a dove or a pheasant so it was a bit frustrating at first but eventually got better with the little gun. I also reload for all my other gauges but in the last three years I've only shot the 410 with TSS reloads. The Tristar is a little over 5lbs with little to no recoil or muzzle blast. I will continue to use it as long as I can get the necessary reloading supplies after my current supply runs out. Sweet sweet little 410 gun.
I’ve been using the 410 since the late 70s very effectively on pheasants in SD. With 6 shot lead full choke it was deadly out to 50 yards for me.
My recipe is a 3" Fiocchi hull then add win296 with a TPS wad sprinkle 11/16th oz of #9TSS shot in followed by a nice crimp, Then cook at 325° 15 minutes per pound.. Enjoy.
I have a Winchester Model 42 .410 I bought used for $50,00 back in the mid 60's. I used it for rabbits and Pheasants. I took many a Ring-neck with it. Still have the gun today.
Model 42 such a sweet gun
I used a 410 ga single shot for rabbit hunting. Most shots were close range, it didn’t damage the rabbit as much as the higher pellet count of the 12 ga.
My new favorite for sure. Carried one all season in the squirrel woods. Cheap and easy to load by hand for.
Unfortunately .410 TSS loads are about $7.00 per round today, Insane.
For starters, use 2 3/4 12 ga shells if you want to get better. Or just use a 410 from the start. A short 410 is also crazy great as home protection gun.
I do fly in fishing trips on a regular basis and i just got a .410 for the specific reason that its light, easy to pack. its not my round of choice obviously, but in this situation where every pound counts, it works.
He goes over it pretty fast, but I have seen a .410 with an open choke tube that a guy loaded with his own triple-ball shells, using paper-patched muzzleloader pistol balls.
The cool thing was that at 60 yards all three balls were in a 5-6" triangle. His worst pattern was 8". That's MUCH better than any commercial 000 buck loads I've seen for a .410.
One day I shot five grouse with five shots using a .410 loaded with 2.5 inch number 6 shot. All were on the wing.
Have my granddad's model 42 and my first gun at 8yr old, a Steven's side by side in .410 sold through sears and roebuck. Love them both
Very cool!
I'm not a 410 guy and probably never will be but it's cool they're improving it. Young or smaller framed kids a 410 is good because it doesn't have a lot of recoil and with better shot technology it just makes it that much better. Great podcast guys!!!
I love the 410 for squirrel. I never was much of a squirrel guy, but recently started REALLY enjoying the extra time in the woods with a gun so small and light.
the guage would be more popular if the price per box was better for us parents to afford.
I just bought and sold one of those 301 .410 Turkey models. A gun you can’t find ammo for is just a cool paper weight. Didn’t take a loss on it so no damage done. Had a .410 growing up and took many squirrels and rabbits with it. As well as a couple deer. Eventually moved away to the 12 exclusively. Then got nostalgic and bought that 301 and over the last year have only found 2 boxes of shells. Small bore reloading components aren’t any more available than loaded shells.
I have no problem finding 410 ammo . I order mine online no issues. Just have to plan better old timer
I have that Stevens 301, and it does a number with TSS! We use TSS on turkey, and 3" lead rounds on squirrel and ruffed grouse. Great small game setup and pretty versatile!
You fellas are so young 😂. Gotta love the excitement over ammo, calibers, and firearms, that some of us older guys have been using since before you were thought of 😉.
Truthfully, you young men are very knowledgeable and I'd be lying if I said that I haven't learned many things from your podcasts. I was hesitant to click on this "410" video but I'm glad that I did.
I want more info on putting together one of those .411 slug guns… sounds like a HECK of a gun to have!
Been awhile since you posted this I realize, but an installment delving further into .410 slugs -- groupings, penetration by designs & materials say out to 100 yds -- would be appreciated (when there's any ammo available to shoot that is : - )).
The problem with 4 10, It is an expert's gun . And a 28 Gauge literally puts it to shame . You cannot make an a² load ,4 10 you can make a² load out of 28 Gauge. The 28 Gauge will pattern much better than 410 ever will
and I use a 10 gauge semi auto
I picked up a 28 gauge weatherby sa-08 for my daughter and I love it. Shells aren’t cheap or easy to find but great on rabbits and ducks.
.410 is a neat and deadly toy. Maybe someday.
If you guys do a #10MinutesTalk about the mighty triple deuce aka .222 Remington!
Does CV a still make a Turkey gun?I have not been able to find one
Ain't much you can't take with a .410 if you use it within limits, same as anything else. Between bird, buckshot, and slugs you just stalk in close and lay em down. Makes flying targets a bit more fun, but even a 7yr old can slip up and drop a deer or squirrel. Heaven knows thousands have lol. Great survivor gun, camp gun, bugout whatever you wanna call it. I got a few single shot and a bolt action 3rnd'er, that bolt action is sweeeet cause it's so light and versatile.
My buddy and I would hunt last day of season with .410 only, always did well.
I still turkey hunt with a Remington sp10... 10 Guage will always have a special place in my heart
The 410"b. was first made in England by a London gun smith in the 1888's the first 3" 410 was made by an American Firm.
The first cartridges for 410"s were made by Eley in Englad.
If I remember correctly the English gunsmith was Lancaster.
Ray Heywood , Life member of NRA , NRA of America and LMRC(Bisley UK)
I have an old family friend that has been using a .410 with normal lead game load for turkeys here in Michigan for decades (not sure if it’s always been legal) but he swears by it and hasn’t used another gauge for turkeys since.
I use a 410 double with 3 inch number 5 lead shot for rabbit's over beagles
My first firearm was a Mossberg 183T My dad bought it for me when I was young for my birthday It is a bolt action 410
Awesome Video! Can you do a Video on Shotgun Slugs?
Very cool to hear that the .410 is making a bit of a comeback. Just got my Dad's old guns and he had a .410 in the mix. Hopefully the ammo won't cost an arm and a leg to get at some point.
Grew up 410 and loved it since day one, looking for a Remington 870 Special Feild in that bore
Hey guys if by chance you read my comment I have a question for you will the new Henry lever action .410 shoot and cycle the TSS loads. I'm really debating on buying one n will for sure if they'll shoot those loads. I love the .410.
I 've always heard regarding wing shooting with a 410 is it's either a youth caliber or an expert caliber. I can't imagine being able to use 9 shot 28,20 or 12 gauge tss at 30-40 yards on a duck. That's a game changer. Very expensive though. Federal 3" 410 #9 tss pellet count=294. Federal speed shok 3" #4 steel=240 pellets. Velocity is 1100(410) vs 1400(12 gauge).
Been using it for deer for decades. As well as small game.
I have 2 boxes of TSS 20ga Turkey loads for my daughters shot gun, I still need to pattern them to see which choke they like but I have heard really good things about them.
Also I have been looking at a .410 semi auto for fun shooting. With TSS loads it might be more useful than just fun.
I have that exact 410 Savage. I bought it in January but I cant find ammo for it yet. Its a cool light weight gun. I bought it for when my kids are big enough to hunt. Im thinking turkey hunting is a great segway into other areas of hunting. Plus we can use it for squirrel and rabbit hunting too.
I love the old Steven's double trigger- bouble barrel I had years ago . I killed a lot of pheasants, rabbits and squirrels with it . I practiced on pidgin and eventually killed ducks too . Double trigger guns made it nice for game and distance considerations . I never liked recoil so the 20 and 410 were very nice to me .
Greggie do you mean pigeons???
@@glockfanboy4927 yes . Auto correct always respells my words wrong . I am dyslexic so I am very careful . Computers hate me though .
@@gregoryfranklin5108 my bad .. sorry my friend!!
@@glockfanboy4927 All is well ! ❤
Ballistic gel, and shot patterning, the 410?
I met old guy in a store, that used .303 brit brass cases to reload for his 410. He just used a cardboard disk and some wax to close it up. Don't know how true that is, but you could look into it.
I have one of the Mk.III SMLE Enfields that was converted to .410
@@2k7duramax Now thats pretty cool
Have you made the pellet count video yet? Very interested!
410 is perfect squirrel gun 👍. Doesnt tear the meat up. Gotta aim sharp though, especially with a full choke. But with a little practice you can still nail a squirrel on the run. Its easy to point and shoot a bigger shotgun and hit running squirrels but i dont like meat all torn up and full of lead
I am an old turkey hunter and if you can not get a turkey within 20 to 30 yards you are not supposed to shoot at it. Many birds have died with #6 standard loads and head shots only. All this is is to sell . Great the Vortex fellow said it all.
The step from 20gauge to .410 doesn't necessarily need to be taken. 28gauge is a thing, and I do think it's starting to grow. Benelli put out Super Black Eagles in 28 not long ago.
Just as a matter of geometry, the small bore stuff quickly struggles with pellet counts, trying to fit all of that into a diminutive space. At some geometric point things become much easier to stack pellets and get a decent pattern.
Can’t believe I’m watching a Vortex video but great topic.
Mossburg 500 pump 410 got me a 8 point with a slug. So I say there good guns. Lil bonus if you have a bond arm derringer you’re in luck with 410 ammo
Love 410 always have. I use it for raccoon and squirrels just for funsies. Easy hide getter
A bolt action 32 inch rifled barrelled full choked .410 isn't a joke gun by far whether with a slug, bird shot or magnum pistol bullet. Food for thought
A rifled barrel with a full choke?
@@-B_G- A rifled barrel with any choke.
I'd love to know more about the Ruger No.1 chambered in .410 Ryan spoke of
I’ve hunted with a 410 off and on since I could carry a gun. My favorite squirrel gun is a bolt action mossberg 183D. Toss a slug in there and it is plenty capable of taking down deer.
I have 3 .410 shotguns i love them all. I have a single shot pump and semiauto.
I have a Tristar
Please talk about the Barrett 416!
I love my ruger no.1 such beautiful rifles
I bought a mossberg 500 410ga TSS turkey gun. It came with a turkey choke. I bought mine for squirrel hunting. The pattern master black turkey is a very good choke. Tristar make a auto loader 410ga. It's there turkey gun. It has a pistol grip and camo. Only way shoot a 410 much is have a reloader. Last squirrel season I killed 100+ with mine.
I have a couple 410 including a new lever Hinic. Love them.
I just bought that same Stevens Turkey model. Mostly for the squirrels here that stay out of range of my pellet gun. But I might just hunt turkeys with it. Won't be using anything that cost 50 bucks for 5 shots though. lol #4,5, or 6 if I can find them. I do plan on getting a cylinder screw in choke and some brenekke (sp?) slugs if I can find them. And a red dot. Deer hunting is moslty dense woods here. I use a 30-30 with open sights almost exclusively. But would like to take one with the Stevens 301.
FYI up here in Maine, you can legally hunt deer with a 22 magnum rimfire rifle. I think it is the only state in the union. Not that I would, but nice to know.
Have y’all talked about 500s&w
I think it’s the perfect survivalist chambering. Slugs for personal protection and deer sized game and shot for rabbit and bird sized game.
light weight single 410 with #4 perfect squirrel/rabbit gun.
I would love to hear what these guys have to say about 28 gauge
In shooting clays with 410 (3” #6)
.410 slugs work for deer just fine at reasonable ranges. BB's and an extra full choke will do fine on turkey, squirrel, sitting rabbits. BB's and a full do well for running rabbits and flying birds that are further out, modified for closer in. It's never not been good for hunting, just requires more care and precision to use well. 24 BB's in 1/2 oz, plenty capable.
When talking of BBs do you just mean shot or the size BB ? Confusing.
The .410 is totally legit for hunting. But as with any weapon you must be familiar with the loads and limitations. I know the "father/creator" of the TSS turkey loads. All of his TSS loads are amazing.
Can you do .17hmr?
I have a Bond Arms derringer that fires .410/.45 long colt. I fired a .410 from the 4.25 barrel 😮. It rocked my hand ✋🏽. Next shot was 2 hands. It would be a excellent vehicle gun .I keep it in the cup holder ready. What would be a good .410 slug to use for defense to end the threat?
With new loads my `16 ga is killing my 3.5 inch 12s.
Pick up this week a Henry Lever Action 410 Shotgun... Can’t wait to shoot it at the range this weekend
How do you like it? I got the short version as a gift from my old man. Well actually he ended up ordering two on accident, he couldn’t wait... hahah
I’m still trying to figure out what I’m gonna do with it..
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@@DSToNe19and83 I love mine !!! Awesome shooter … You can check my unboxing video on my UA-cam Channel
Model 97 Winchester hammer was first turkey gun. Cool factor even 40 years ago was great.
A .410 would be good for close range small game, like grouse in the woods.
As a minimum...yes.
More than one deer would Love to disagree with you (if they could)... ☆
I've shot 12, 20, 16, and now 410. I can't handle the recoil of my 835 anymore. Ive traded it for all 410s. I have a 500 Mossberg, Yildiz o/u, and now a TriStar Cobra 2. I reload all my shells. I reload lead for squirrels and skeet. Bismuth for waterfowl. The bismuth crushes birds over decoys. I was shooting 7s but now going to 9s. I'm even looking to duplex them for ducks. No crippled birds. I agree it is an experts gun. Enjoyed your show on the 410 but TSS is going to have to come down in price before I switch.
.410's are a blast to shoot! A lot of people don't quite realize the versatility of them either.
I love my mossberg 500 gold trigger in .410
It’s always been a legit shotgun in my opinion, #6 and I wish Remington would bring back the paper loads for the fact I found it kept the bore clean compared to the plastic loads.
If tss wasn't so damn expensive I'd easily let it breath new life into my savage 24. But $69 for 5 410 shells, no thanks. Hell, 12 gauge is $75 or $110 depending on 3 or 3.5" from federal.
Would like to see a 308 10min video. Getting a new rifle and looking for more info on the 308
Picking up a TPS Arms M6 tomorrow. interested to see how the .410 does on grouse and quail... It's a combo .22 hornet rifle so should be fun for small game/varmint. It's not an ideal turkey gun unfortunately. but I'll probably just use my 12 gauge for that since its what i got lol.
Lead is 12 grain per cc and TSS/18 is 18 grain per cc. That being said I’m not a Mathematician but simple math tells TSS-18 is one third (1/3) heavier then lead. This being said how would 9# hit with the same energy as 5#? I believe since it’s a Derivative of three that would have the same amount of energy as a number 6 shot. They do make TSS-15 witch is 15 grains per cc so please watch out for cheaper loads. I shoot TSS only right now and only from companies that hand load providing heavier loads. The large company are still pushing lighter ounces loads 1 3/4 for 12ga and your paying what!?? The reason for this is simple profits. TSS is Expensive even to reload so the only company providing 2 1/4 ounces per shell is Specialty companies that focus only on turkey shells. When you talk about heavy 13 , once’s again that’s 13 grain per cc of shot. Such a small amount heavier then lead it’s Laughable but I too was sucked into the heavy shot Bandwagon. Waste a lot of money for nothing so when the expert start talking HV-13 and wanting to compare patterns tell me he has no clue about shot weight that allows you to roll with smaller Pallet sizes! No one is making a wing shooting TSS load for a .410 this is for turkeys only. I guess they needed filler for the 10 mins that was 17:19 ..
What does a copperplated #6 or #7.5 shot weigh
I had no idea they upped the game on .410 like this. I’ve never been able to hit a damn clay with .410. My mom never missed but I had to use at least a 20
I really enjoy your content guys!!!
Can we please get a cartridge talk on the .300 Winchester long mag?? 😂😂
I just Bought me the Stevens 301- 410 Turkey Gun. I`m getting older 65 to be exact I have a 16, 20, 12 and Compound Bow and Cross Bow. I was looking for something lighter to carry with less kick so I`m going to give this 410 a try on Turkey next year. Thanks for the information enjoyed it. Going to Sub to see what you Guys are about.
What’s the sight on that camo stock shotgun?
Looks like a Vortex Venom.
I have an M6. love it.
I shoot a mossberg 500 with a Hushpower sound moderator in England. Its my go to squirrel gun with 1/2 oz of lead shot. I just bought a .410 Wingmaster and I'm going to see what I can do on clays.
You should do 300 norma next episode or 300prc vs 300 norma
My friend took a bear with .410 slug with bad shot placement. It’s most definitely a respected round