Cartridge Talks has helped me so much in not only picking my hunting weapons but also a robust amount on general knowledge about different guns and cartridges and optics. Thank you all!
Shot my first turkey this year hunting for the first time in Eastern Wa before I get out of the navy! 9in beard, 3/4 in spurs about 20-25 lbs Marriam. Spent 7 days camping and finally got it done on the last afternoon before I headed back to western Wa. Crazy hunt and now I’m hooked!
As I introduce my son to turkey hinting at the same time I am trying to figure it all out, I cannot thank you enough for vides like this. My son and I enjoyed this video. Helps him to understand the differences between calibers. Thanks again for the information.
Apex is a game changer! My dad had open heart surgery in October and thought he wouldn’t be able to Turkey hunt because he shoots a mossberg 835 he switched this year to 20 gauge and was able to kill a turkey. Thanks to the apex load!
I just live these guys. I listen to them every morning on the way to work and on the way home. I would have liked to see some Primo's Jellyhead chokes in there but its good they used Jeb's too. I would probly pick the 28g Autoloader if i was to pick one.
Great video as usual, I’ll pray for a full recovery of Ryan’s shoulder. It’s great to see the patterns of the various set ups. Thank you for all your hard work!
I’ve been debating on setting up a 28 for turkeys for the last year now considering i hunt public and walk sometimes 8,10+ miles in a day lugging around a 12 gauge and comments like these are gonna make me send it off the deep end and start building😂
@@ChaseDenton-uz1wb I made the switch and haven't looked back! CZ makes a sweet little pump 28GA that I use for birlds/rabbit. The Mossberg SA28 runs flawlessly and is a great little turkey gun.
I was surprised with the appearance of recoil with the 28. Looked like it recoiled hard. Although the ones I have shot, seem to have less recoil than most of my rifles.
@@chrisvankoevering3549 well they are using dense tungsten with a higher weight load that would normally be in a 28 guage so the lighter frame doesnt handle it as well as a regular laod
Thank you for calculating the recoil. I've done test videos with those 12s and shot boxes in an afternoon of videos and its brutal. The first shell is fine, after 5 though, you're ready to go home.
I found this very informative and eye opening. I’ve always been a little skeptical of going all the down to .410 but it’s pretty neat to see what it’s actually capable of!
@@BcFuTw9jt ya better look again tri star makes an auto loader browning still makes the pump an over an under plus there are tss turkey loads being made
@@waynemayle865yes it’s available but it’s not exactly common or affordable, 458 Lott is available as well that doesn’t mean it pertains to much of the audience
Wow. That’s a great comparison in gauges and loads. Impressed with the targets specs of the smaller gauges. I would have never thought they’d compete with the big ones. 😮 Thanks guys.
As a father looking to find and set up a turkey shotgun for the kids, this was very informative. I kind of like the 28 gauge but have always been a 20 gauge fan. Thanks. Great video.
I've shot 12 gauge for as long as I can remember but after watching this I'd love to have a 28 Gauge! very good testing and I'm glad you guys counted every single BB! lol
This was a very informative comparison. My 11 y/o grand son is way into hunt after he saw me drop an antelope at 200 yards. He is small in stature so I'd select the .410 and gift it to him when old enough. Keep up the good work. You guys are awesome. Steve
Watched this after listening/watching the follow up podcast. As impressive as the stats were in the follow up, seeing the shots as they were patterning in this episode was even more impressive. And really illustrated the huge difference in recoil between the 12ga and other sub gauges.
12 gauge is my choice. Thanks for your time guys. I love ballistic test you guys did a great job covering all the bases. It’s great to learn about all the different loads. 🎉
Thank you for the information that was very informative and well presented. And thanks for taking those big hits to the shoulder. That bad boy definitely has some kick.
Got my first long beard this year. 11” beard. 1.5” spurs. Eastern Gobbler, the silent type, old wise bird, young gobbler blew his cover. Hit em while he was running at just under 40 yards. 20 gauge TSS Heavyweight 7 shot. Finally I can shave my huge beard, not that long beard season is over.
This was very interesting and informative. It's pretty amazing to me that smaller can be better, even smallest, for Turkey as opposed to wing shooting. I have to remember that you are basically shooting a short range rifle with exploding bullets so to speak.
I have a Vortex scope on my deer rifle and it's great. I'd like a sight on my 12ga Mossberg Turkey Thug but it's an older model with no way to attach. As a "senior" I don't need the recoil so I'll be looking for a 20-28 ga. model. I want an adjustable stock so may have to look for a "junior" model due to my shorter length of pull. Enjoyed your info, thanks.
These videos make my work week tolerable. I look forward to them every week for the past two and a half years. Subsequently they've also led to many new purchases of guns, gear and optics. After watching this one I now feel like I need a 28 gauge and a 16 gauge... thanks Mark, Ryan and sometimes Jimbo.
It's been a very long time since I have hunted and the rifles you are showing is unbelievable compared to what I hunted with as a boy it would be nice to go back hunting with a rifle like that
I just a Jebs headhunter .650 with LB XR 3.5” #4 from the 20” Mossberg 835 and I’ve yet to find a reason to go to TSS! I don’t need the Tom’s more dead than dead! Great information! Awesome video! Glad to see the 12g still getting some love!
Great video showing the importance of patterning a shotgun at different yardages and different load types. I have been interested in the 28 gae and loved learning more about it in your video.
Cartridge Talks provide a much better unerstanding of the differences between the various gauges and shot types than any other offerings that I have been able to see. Thank you.
I have never been out on a Turkey hunt, but was just considering this hunt! Thanks for the information and nudge towards taking my first Turkey hunt adventure!
Great information on the many different options for taking down a longbeard! I have been looking into a 12 gauge Mossberg turkey gun but I believe you guys have made me change my mind to 20 gauge.
For someone like myself who does not have a shotgun and is contemplating getting into turkey hunting at the age of 64, this was very helpful in guiding any future shotgun purchase considerations. Thanks!
Getting hyped for Turkey season in MN. Got the brothers, got the gear, got the license, but would certainly be happy adding the 20 gauge from the giveaway to the mix.
I was watching just to see what red dot you guys were using but a chance to win one...even better! Those Jebs chokes are awsome, I run one in both my turkey and duck guns.
Things have come a long ways from my 1st turkey hunt 35yrs ago. Now I'm trying to get my children up to speed and involved with the latest & greatest. Thank you for the opportunity!
The optimized smaller bore shotguns are going to help keep our youth interested in hunting and shooting sports for years to come, thanks for the informative video vortex crew!
Awesome video that instead of trying to persuade someone to do what you want, lays out the options for them to see and make the ultimate decision based off of all this information what they would want to use.
Thank you Vortex Nation for the video and contest! I learned a lot from this video about different factors to take into affect in what to decide to use when shooting. I am used to either 12 ga or 20 ga, so it was nice to learn more on .410 and 28 ga.
Thanks for showing us the different gauges with specific load! Pretty big differences! I really wonder though if keeping your discipline in place and not shooting past 30 yards might not produce better results. Just my opinion of course. Thanks again guys!
After watching several portions more than once I’m of the opinion 12 gauge. Tungsten cost $6-$7 a round. Lead about a $1. I have a 25+ year old 500 turkey 12 gauge with 24” ported barrel & aftermarket choke tube. Charles Daly semi 28” barrel aftermarket tube also. Mossberg scoped, Daly not, my Stevens.410 bore with red dot turkey TSS shotgun cost too much to shoot. I usually shoot 20-35 yards but have made 50 yard shots. Knowing the limits & pattern is crucial as pointed out. At 72 years old I’ll stick with my 12s. I purchased 7 boxes of Tungsten .410. I now have paid more for the ammunition than the gun with red dot new. Great show, Vortex Optics are the best (especially for old eyes) I have several on Rifles. Thanks for the advice and education. Old dogs can learn new tricks. Keep up the good work guys.
Since I currently own a 12ga, you have convinced me to switch to the #6’s from 4’s. I’ve been on the fence about it for years… hard to get out of the #4 or nothing mindset. Thanks guys!
Great overview. I am not at the point where I am purchasing specific shotguns for specific game so I'll probably stick with my 12-gauge that I use for waterfowl. If I were to get a specific gobbler gun, the 20-gauge would be in my safe.
I have been blessed to take turkeys with every gauge but my favorite would be the 28 gauge. I have my eye on the Eventide and will have to have a red dot on it. Last year I started using a red dot and it is a game changer! Thank you guys for doing this video very informative. I had my wife watch it and she’s still a 20 gauge fan! 8:07
The Cartridge Talk was awesome. I've been leaning on doing more with a 20 gauge and maybe even more with a 28 gauge. Learned a lot here and I really appreciate the detail you went into that made it all the more enlightening.
As i get older i enjoy using the smaller calibers in 410 and possibly a 28 gauge. I'm a hunting fanatic and still enjoy the challenges of the outdoors with different equipment.
TSS is the way to go. I switched from my SBS 12ga with JEBS choke to my TriStar Viper G2 .410 with JEBS choke. Lightweight and it gets the job done. Dropped one in it's tracks last year at 42yds.
i've been using 12 gauge, my whole life on turkeys. interesting to see the difference in their performances, and interested in trying a new gauge in the upcoming years.
Great video, but do you have one covering the Defender Red Dot and how it serves in various applications from sitting for turkeys to walking up pheasants?
I think they did a great job comparing the gauges and loads. It gives a good definition of the difference between lead and TSS and what to expect. You didn’t need to mention the cost difference because once someone looks at TSS, they’ll realize it immediately! I have a 410 a 28 and a 20 Gauge. I’m using TSS and the two sub gauges and I’m impressed with it.
I'm liking the idea of an over/under 28 gauge with a red dot for turkey. Thanks again guys for another great cartridge talks! Keep 'em coming!
Cartridge Talks has helped me so much in not only picking my hunting weapons but also a robust amount on general knowledge about different guns and cartridges and optics. Thank you all!
Shot my first turkey this year hunting for the first time in Eastern Wa before I get out of the navy! 9in beard, 3/4 in spurs about 20-25 lbs Marriam. Spent 7 days camping and finally got it done on the last afternoon before I headed back to western Wa. Crazy hunt and now I’m hooked!
Looking for my 24th tom next year in Eastern, WA. Congratulatuons on your first. Turkey hunting is a blast.
As I introduce my son to turkey hinting at the same time I am trying to figure it all out, I cannot thank you enough for vides like this. My son and I enjoyed this video. Helps him to understand the differences between calibers. Thanks again for the information.
I love vortex optics, clarity, and robustness plus their customer support is top tier.
Apex is a game changer! My dad had open heart surgery in October and thought he wouldn’t be able to Turkey hunt because he shoots a mossberg 835 he switched this year to 20 gauge and was able to kill a turkey. Thanks to the apex load!
i am pretty sure i listen to all the turkey podcast this time of every year and this is my new favorite.
28ga is my new favorite. Keep the great work guys!
I just live these guys. I listen to them every morning on the way to work and on the way home. I would have liked to see some Primo's Jellyhead chokes in there but its good they used Jeb's too. I would probly pick the 28g Autoloader if i was to pick one.
Real info from non-biased reviewers. Not to mention the wealth of knowledge these guys bring to the table. Keep it up!
Great video as usual, I’ll pray for a full recovery of Ryan’s shoulder. It’s great to see the patterns of the various set ups. Thank you for all your hard work!
28 Guage is quickly becoming my favorite guage to hunt anything with wings. I reload my own TSS and its been a game changer (pun intended).
small enough not to break the bank and will hammer anything
I’ve been debating on setting up a 28 for turkeys for the last year now considering i hunt public and walk sometimes 8,10+ miles in a day lugging around a 12 gauge and comments like these are gonna make me send it off the deep end and start building😂
@@ChaseDenton-uz1wb I made the switch and haven't looked back! CZ makes a sweet little pump 28GA that I use for birlds/rabbit. The Mossberg SA28 runs flawlessly and is a great little turkey gun.
Opening day tomorrow here in Missouri.
Good luck- go get ‘em!
Great information with this video. My personal choice still favors the 12 gauge.
These guys pair up well. So much knowledge.
I’d probably go 410 as I have little kids that could eventually make good use of it.
28GA is where it’s at when it comes to hunting stuff with wings!!!
I was surprised with the appearance of recoil with the 28. Looked like it recoiled hard. Although the ones I have shot, seem to have less recoil than most of my rifles.
@@chrisvankoevering3549 well they are using dense tungsten with a higher weight load that would normally be in a 28 guage so the lighter frame doesnt handle it as well as a regular laod
I'll take the 20g please.
I left the 12g world a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, 20g with traditional lead please
Shouldn’t we consider chokes as well?
Of course, but chokes are a complicated topic all of its own.
Thank you for calculating the recoil. I've done test videos with those 12s and shot boxes in an afternoon of videos and its brutal. The first shell is fine, after 5 though, you're ready to go home.
I found this very informative and eye opening. I’ve always been a little skeptical of going all the down to .410 but it’s pretty neat to see what it’s actually capable of!
The 410 speaks to me as I have 3 young kids that this gauge would fit very well.
Each one are very good shotguns
Ya left out the 16ga.
Excellent option.
I knew a guy who used a 10ga.
They used the most popular Guages
No modern loadings or guns in the 16, the 28 has come back strong but not the 16
@@BcFuTw9jt ya better look again tri star makes an auto loader browning still makes the pump an over an under plus there are tss turkey loads being made
@@waynemayle865yes it’s available but it’s not exactly common or affordable, 458 Lott is available as well that doesn’t mean it pertains to much of the audience
Wow. That’s a great comparison in gauges and loads. Impressed with the targets specs of the smaller gauges. I would have never thought they’d compete with the big ones. 😮 Thanks guys.
As a father looking to find and set up a turkey shotgun for the kids, this was very informative. I kind of like the 28 gauge but have always been a 20 gauge fan. Thanks. Great video.
I've shot 12 gauge for as long as I can remember but after watching this I'd love to have a 28 Gauge! very good testing and I'm glad you guys counted every single BB! lol
I have been looking at the Mossberg 410. This video really put things into perspective. Thank you.
This was a very informative comparison. My 11 y/o grand son is way into hunt after he saw me drop an antelope at 200 yards. He is small in stature so I'd select the .410 and gift it to him when old enough. Keep up the good work. You guys are awesome. Steve
Watched this after listening/watching the follow up podcast. As impressive as the stats were in the follow up, seeing the shots as they were patterning in this episode was even more impressive. And really illustrated the huge difference in recoil between the 12ga and other sub gauges.
12 gauge is my choice. Thanks for your time guys. I love ballistic test you guys did a great job covering all the bases. It’s great to learn about all the different loads. 🎉
Clarified the differences, patterns, advantages of each gauge. Worth the watch.
Truly a great discussion since I’ve never had the opportunity to hunt my turkeys outside of the grocery store.
Thank you for the information that was very informative and well presented. And thanks for taking those big hits to the shoulder. That bad boy definitely has some kick.
Got my first long beard this year. 11” beard. 1.5” spurs. Eastern Gobbler, the silent type, old wise bird, young gobbler blew his cover. Hit em while he was running at just under 40 yards. 20 gauge TSS Heavyweight 7 shot. Finally I can shave my huge beard, not that long beard season is over.
This was very interesting and informative. It's pretty amazing to me that smaller can be better, even smallest, for Turkey as opposed to wing shooting. I have to remember that you are basically shooting a short range rifle with exploding bullets so to speak.
Used to use the old trusty 12 gauge but recently switched over to a youth model 20 gauge and absolutely love it!
I have a Vortex scope on my deer rifle and it's great. I'd like a sight on my 12ga Mossberg Turkey Thug but it's an older model with no way to attach. As a "senior" I don't need the recoil so I'll be looking for a 20-28 ga. model. I want an adjustable stock so may have to look for a "junior" model due to my shorter length of pull. Enjoyed your info, thanks.
Have heard lots of things about the 410 for turkeys and the urge to try the 410 is growing. Great video and very informative.
Great video, great data! I switched to a 20 just this year, love it with TSS.
I love your guys show on the different shot analytics. I watch your videos all the time with my Dad! Love the content 👍
These videos make my work week tolerable. I look forward to them every week for the past two and a half years. Subsequently they've also led to many new purchases of guns, gear and optics. After watching this one I now feel like I need a 28 gauge and a 16 gauge... thanks Mark, Ryan and sometimes Jimbo.
It's been a very long time since I have hunted and the rifles you are showing is unbelievable compared to what I hunted with as a boy it would be nice to go back hunting with a rifle like that
I just a Jebs headhunter .650 with LB XR 3.5” #4 from the 20” Mossberg 835 and I’ve yet to find a reason to go to TSS! I don’t need the Tom’s more dead than dead! Great information! Awesome video! Glad to see the 12g still getting some love!
Great video showing the importance of patterning a shotgun at different yardages and different load types. I have been interested in the 28 gae and loved learning more about it in your video.
Cartridge Talks provide a much better unerstanding of the differences between the various gauges and shot types than any other offerings that I have been able to see. Thank you.
I've always shot a 12 gauge but as I'm getting older I'm looking at the smaller gauges. I think you've given me a lot to consider. Thanks.
I love my 20 ga and TSS; so glad I don't have to shoot heavy recoiling 12 ga turkey loads anymore. Thanks for the video, the info, and the contest!
I have never been out on a Turkey hunt, but was just considering this hunt! Thanks for the information and nudge towards taking my first Turkey hunt adventure!
Great information on the many different options for taking down a longbeard! I have been looking into a 12 gauge Mossberg turkey gun but I believe you guys have made me change my mind to 20 gauge.
Great info. I'm switching from my 12 gauge to 20. At 70 years old the 12 is kicking my butt. 12:22
For someone like myself who does not have a shotgun and is contemplating getting into turkey hunting at the age of 64, this was very helpful in guiding any future shotgun purchase considerations. Thanks!
Very interesting comparison test. I agree with the 20 just for ammo availability.
Great presentation, as I get older the 20 gauge is a great replacement for my 12 gauges.
Very informative video on comparing the different turkey loads👍
I still use an old Winchester bolt 12 ga with the integrated choke
Getting hyped for Turkey season in MN. Got the brothers, got the gear, got the license, but would certainly be happy adding the 20 gauge from the giveaway to the mix.
This was very helpful and eye opening to the difference between the various gauges.
Cartridge Talks is there best series in a very competitive lineup, I could listen to Ryan talk all day about this stuff
Depends on application but the 12Ga is always my go to
I was watching just to see what red dot you guys were using but a chance to win one...even better! Those Jebs chokes are awsome, I run one in both my turkey and duck guns.
Things have come a long ways from my 1st turkey hunt 35yrs ago. Now I'm trying to get my children up to speed and involved with the latest & greatest. Thank you for the opportunity!
Interesting show. Thanks! I've always thought the .20 was the way to go.
Tagged out in KY this year ended with a 11in beard 1 in spur
The optimized smaller bore shotguns are going to help keep our youth interested in hunting and shooting sports for years to come, thanks for the informative video vortex crew!
Awesome video that instead of trying to persuade someone to do what you want, lays out the options for them to see and make the ultimate decision based off of all this information what they would want to use.
Thank you Vortex Nation for the video and contest! I learned a lot from this video about different factors to take into affect in what to decide to use when shooting. I am used to either 12 ga or 20 ga, so it was nice to learn more on .410 and 28 ga.
First time watching this channel and learned something new
I’ve ran a 12 gauge all my life but seriously considering 20ga for my next rig
Thanks for showing us the different gauges with specific load! Pretty big differences! I really wonder though if keeping your discipline in place and not shooting past 30 yards might not produce better results. Just my opinion of course. Thanks again guys!
After watching several portions more than once I’m of the opinion 12 gauge. Tungsten cost $6-$7 a round. Lead about a $1. I have a 25+ year old 500 turkey 12 gauge with 24” ported barrel & aftermarket choke tube. Charles Daly semi 28” barrel aftermarket tube also. Mossberg scoped, Daly not, my Stevens.410 bore with red dot turkey TSS shotgun cost too much to shoot. I usually shoot 20-35 yards but have made 50 yard shots. Knowing the limits & pattern is crucial as pointed out. At 72 years old I’ll stick with my 12s. I purchased 7 boxes of Tungsten .410. I now have paid more for the ammunition than the gun with red dot new. Great show, Vortex Optics are the best (especially for old eyes) I have several on Rifles. Thanks for the advice and education. Old dogs can learn new tricks. Keep up the good work guys.
Great info.smaller gauges with new shells are really performing
Opening day in Montana was this weekend. Nothing yet but hopeful on my first season out!!
I have a 20 gauge shotgun and enjoy seeing the difference in the different gun gauges.
This is the best review of turkey load performance I've seen yet.
Since I currently own a 12ga, you have convinced me to switch to the #6’s from 4’s. I’ve been on the fence about it for years… hard to get out of the #4 or nothing mindset. Thanks guys!
Great overview. I am not at the point where I am purchasing specific shotguns for specific game so I'll probably stick with my 12-gauge that I use for waterfowl. If I were to get a specific gobbler gun, the 20-gauge would be in my safe.
I have an old 835 “mule kicker”. Reliable and tough. Got a turkey this past weekend with it.
One of the most efficient patterning videos Ive watched, pretty interesting to see how they all vary
I'm personally a fan of the 12 guage, but I have used a 20ga as well.
Very helpful. I have been wanting a 20 gauge. Thanks
I have been blessed to take turkeys with every gauge but my favorite would be the 28 gauge. I have my eye on the Eventide and will have to have a red dot on it. Last year I started using a red dot and it is a game changer! Thank you guys for doing this video very informative. I had my wife watch it and she’s still a 20 gauge fan! 8:07
The Cartridge Talk was awesome. I've been leaning on doing more with a 20 gauge and maybe even more with a 28 gauge. Learned a lot here and I really appreciate the detail you went into that made it all the more enlightening.
The 410 and 28 gage are really spiking my interest as it's adding something new and challenging to my hunting experience.
Really impressed with that 410ga. Wished I would have known this when my grandson was 11yrs old.
3.5” 12 ga. (Which I’m currently shooting) = maximum magnum recoil, 20 ga. Is looking pretty sweet. Keep up the great work.
I have a headache had me rolling. Thanks guys for what you do.
I switched to the 20g two years ago and love it!
As i get older i enjoy using the smaller calibers in 410 and possibly a 28 gauge. I'm a hunting fanatic and still enjoy the challenges of the outdoors with different equipment.
TSS is the way to go. I switched from my SBS 12ga with JEBS choke to my TriStar Viper G2 .410 with JEBS choke. Lightweight and it gets the job done. Dropped one in it's tracks last year at 42yds.
i've been using 12 gauge, my whole life on turkeys. interesting to see the difference in their performances, and interested in trying a new gauge in the upcoming years.
Good tests of patterning the various shotgun gauges for turkey hunting.
i always thought a 12 gauge was the way to go but, now I'm thinking 20 gauge. Thanks for the Great Video.
Great video - interesting how all the old gauges are making their way back. Don’t forget the 16
Great to see straight talk instead of word salad. You seem to have forgotten the 16 gauge which is a great turkey killer as well.
Don’t know if I could give up my 12ga. But, never say never!
Extremely informative as always, very helpful to us newbies who did not grow up hunting
Great info gents... thanks for the common language, expertise advice.
Great content! I never would have dreamed of the good ol' .410 becoming a turkey gun but it's pretty cool to see it as an option these days.
Great video, but do you have one covering the Defender Red Dot and how it serves in various applications from sitting for turkeys to walking up pheasants?
I think they did a great job comparing the gauges and loads. It gives a good definition of the difference between lead and TSS and what to expect. You didn’t need to mention the cost difference because once someone looks at TSS, they’ll realize it immediately!
I have a 410 a 28 and a 20 Gauge. I’m using TSS and the two sub gauges and I’m impressed with it.