WHY THE ELECTRIC CAR MARKET IS DEAD!
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With the GT guys near the end and the TG clowns let go...
[ fingers crossed ]
'Gasoline' is a brand name and you cannot buy it any more, someone tell the short one!
You need to do a first car challenge like they did on top gear. Where you each go somewhere and do first car tropes with your own first cars, or representatives of. It would be awesome and it would give Taylor's Punto some mileage.
Yeah, I bet Alex's first car was terrible, like a fiat multiple 😂
Would Rory want to do that though, didn't his first car cost make him lose 90k
@@thespannamunkee no that was a running total, so all of his past cars were included whether they cost him 10k or £500
Defo bit there choices would be unrealistic
Been done before
8:55 I'm the new owner of the 760li - it actually didn't need as much work as you expected. Car is on the road with 0 advisories for its MOT. Discovered quite a few interesting things with regards to repairs that had been done in the past. Goes to show that you need someone who knows what they are doing to look after these sort of cars.
When Ben collins was on the podcast a couple of weeks back, he was asked if he were to bring back top gear, would he make any changes to the format.
He suggested the idea of a larger presentation team, each with their own little areas of expertise.
It would be awesome if the new channel is based on this idea
Btw, Alex you were thinking of Biofuels, not synthetic fuels. No biomass is needed for synthetic fuels as they use captured carbon from the air and can use green energy to generate the fuel. Check out what Porsche are doing in Argentina (I believe).
Love how @Autoalex now rests his microphone on his belly, like a truck driver... 😄
These podcasts r pure gold, the rant and genuine comradery is electrifying and making the days I’m watching it a blast. As a fellow car trader cannot find any other channel that fits all the boxes like Autoalex 😊
Loving every podcast, hope we can keep enjoying them for ever. Listening to them while driving around a garbage truck. Greetings from the Netherlands
Taking precautions with bikes is huge man, props to alex for not taking things for granted. My brother came off last year, broke basically every bone in the left side of his body. Wonder how much worse it would have been with no good kit on
So there is a garage now down on south coast who can now fix parts of a battery and save replacing whole battery, i believe could be first company in uk to offer this
Bring Ethan back to your channel!! He's so innocent and nice yet is enjoyable to watch when he's learning cars. Time to take over car Throttle!
Knew there's been some radio silence over the last 2 weeks! Fingers crossed it's Jack, Ethan and Edwin on the new channel! 🙌
jesus. Car throttle is really about to vanish
@@martin1649new upload, They’ve got a channel. Explanation too
@@martin1649 Blame the people who bought it out.
Hopefully we do actually get more bike content, enjoyed the bits we’ve had over the time of the channels
as a Tewkesbury resident i knew i recognised the person driving the defender that added to the flood damage.
you really should differentiate the podcast uploads from the normal v2 uploads somehow. I listen to the pod on spotify and it's very easy to miss the regular uploads since the titles and thumbnails are exactly the same
Just look at the length of the video
47:38 eFuels. The huge issue with eFuels is that making them is inefficient. Ultimately they are inefficient to make so the consumer pays more.
EFuels & hydrogen are inefficient to make, they will ALWAYS be less efficient than charging a battery.
The efficiency of manufacturing eFuels and Hydrogen is limited due to thermal dynamics. Electrolysis uses loads of electricity and it always will.
It is already more efficient to directly charge a battery and use an electric motor.
Exactly!!! I'm gonna go on a bit of a rant if you don't mind lol.
hydrogen and Efuels can't get a whole better without breaking physics as we know it.
Batteries however still have lots of room for improvement mainly in Cost and Power density. Both of these areas we are seeing incredible improvements. For example, CATL a Chinese battery manufacturer has unveiled 2 new types of batteries:
A sodium one that is half the cost of current batteries, that should hit production within the year and continue to drop in price to 1/3 of the cost of modern cells within a couple of years.
The other type there is much less information on other than that it is double the power density (same kwh at half the weight). This one won't hit car production for a while as it's currently intended for use in aircraft.
Other than that there's not much to improve about electric cars from a functional standpoint. Charge rates can always be improved, which is mainly an infrastructure issue atm. And the weight can also be reduced with better power density, but imo the increased weight of electric cars is in large part due to some laziness amongst manufacturers.
There are also many companies coming up with neat ways of solving charging at homes without a driveway, But a lot of the people that may suffer from this may actually be better suited by higher quality public transport.
I'm a student in my early 20s who's absolutely broke and, for now, isn't in student debt yet. I just hope that once I get my degree and start working I'll at least have the opportunity to enjoy petrol cars when I'm financially capable to. As for many people here, cars are basically the major thing that keeps me going in life and the thought of them being ruled out of existence, or having to pay a shitton (like Alex and his ULEZ or whatever it's called) really keeps me up at night. I may have all the money I could imagine but if there's nothing left to enjoy it.....
The drop in values is nothing to do with batteries, it's trickle down economics. New Taycan's were snapped up by companies because it was a no brainer to buy one and write it off against tax. This has meant that at £50-70k it's too expensive for the majority of private drivers and pointless for companies to buy as they can buy new and write the cost off that they can't do with a used one. Chuck in that Tesla chopped £10k off the Model 3 and it immediately shocked cheaper cars values as obviously suddenly a used Model 3 is worth £10k less which makes Kia's MG's etc suddenly a less desirable option to many buyers.
For the person who CAN charge at home and has £20k to spend it's a wonderful time to buy one.
And in absolutely no way are battery cars going away.
In respect to the car choice for small family, we chose a 1.0L petrol Kia Picanto X-Line (X-Line has 5 seats compared to normal 4). Over 19,000 Miles so far the average economy has been 60.5.
Under the bonnet the tiny 1.0L engine leaves plenty of space. Add the mild hybrid system or a small plug in hybrid setup and surely that would be a great solution.
It's not fast, but its comfortable, surprisingly spacious (Takes 3 of us around the UK on holidays no problem), and it just does the job well and at a low cost.
love faster cars etc, but having a small family, it is a great choice.
To Alex, Congrats on the baby coming. It's going to be a rollercoaster but it will also be great. You`ll both be great parents, I am sure of it!
- Paul
Taylor, you are completely wrong about plug-in hybrids, especially the ionic. I own one. I do 70,000 miles a year with a mix of long motorway runs and in town runs.
The ionic gets 60-70 MPG on a motorway run and I push over 100 MPG when doing 70-100 miles in and around town. That is much better than diesel alternatives
5:55 - I am really glad to hear the guys are okay :)
I don't currently own an electric car and have now plans on getting one, but this idea that electric car sales are falling off a cliff is just not true. look at the facts whether petrol heads like it or not electric car sales are up nearly 30% YoY for January. Electric cars are not going to disappear and as the tech advances they'll just become more popular especially with the next generation of drivers. I appreciate that having "electric car sales dying" as a title to your YT video helps with clicks, but its just factually not the case.
We have a sad future of only boring 2 ton vacume cleaners to drive around in
@@mufinsp0The latest M3 weighs almost 2 tonnes.
Well said. Lazy uninformed title. I love cars, have a diesel camper, petrol weekend car and daily EV. EV is the best car for majority of people by miles. Id never go back to ICE for a daily. I just don't get the tribalism. Clickbate titles like this don't help things.
@@drunkenhobo8020 At least it dosen't sound like a vacume cleaner
Untruthful clickbait. Sad. Please be more informed.
For me the more technical the better. I personally enjoy that side of it. Thanks again Dean another great video.
Another Great Podcast guys! Never been a massive podcast fan but watching/listening to yours are quite entertaining. Alarm bells started ringing though when you mentioned Bruno from BDS Motorsport as we have actually met and dealt with him where I work so small world that you guys also know him too! Shame about his bike and break in but hopefully it’ll all be found and he’ll get sorted soon!
0:02 Is that the white 996 911 from the Car Throttle saving a car from the scrapyard video that Edwin mentioned? Plz say you bought it?!?!
it does look like it
It’s a 996
Maybe he's bought Edwin and Ethan and Jack too
It has to be! Everything matches, wheels, smoked indictors, spoiler, side skirts etc etc. And is that a red interior I see too? 👀
Can't wait for the new channel with the lads 👍
BIK tax for electric cars is currently very low compared with combustion/hyrbid vehicles. When this raises and becomes almost the same the flood will stop. I have just ordered an EV for this very reason. Vehicle value of 87k vs Hybrid A3 at roughly 35k and the EV is almost £200 per month cheaper.
Except the value of the ev loses 40k the first day whereas the hybrid a3 only loses 4k. Pointless having an EV as a petrolhead unless you’ve got 18 other cars in my opinion.
@@KeyBrosUKI think you missed the point. OP is saying he leased a ev at over double the sticker price of the Audi and it was cheaper...
@@sercanserj7804 Yeye I got that bit😅my point was they are taking a loss on the cars just to get them out the door because of the regs they’d stop buying them if the gov didn’t force them to sell x amount. It’s all a monopoly that doesn’t make any financial sense except to the customers of agreements like OP
43:40 Alex I've also seen the same post when you switch it round, but instead it was; 'wait, so I have to keep a car that has 1000x as many moving parts, is far less reliable than just a motor and a battery, less torque, far-far less efficient, lets noxious gasses out the tail pipe and is filled up with a highly flammable and explosive liquid? It then ignites that liquid, wastes over 60% of the energy that the fuel gives me in wasted heat/light and mechanical losses of the drive train thats all just wasted money? (Compared to the 90%+ in EV's) Why do I not get any of that back when slowing down, in fact I have to burn more fuel when slowing down? And I have to keep that tank of explosive liquid in my garage overnight?! Why do I have to travel to a fuel station really far away from my house to fillup, why can't I just leave my house with a full tank like I do now? Why does it cost so much to fuel it? £60-£80/tank instead of £1-£3 it currently costs me.' So it goes both ways. ICE cars would look silly if we already had an EV world, especially as if we had an EV world, we'd probably have already solved the issues with batteries and charging. Also, the charging debate is just silly -car is quicker charging than it is for me to go pee. Just as you never fill up at a motorway services as its silly expensive, you don't in EV's either. Driving for 3-4 hours, done 300mi already, you're gonna want to stop. 15 minutes later I've had a rest and can now do another 200mi. Its all about that sweet cheap destination charging. I pay about £3 to do 350mi and always leave home with a full charge that I don't have to think about. There are many valid criticisms about EV's, ICE and hybrids, but I find the conversations around them in the car based YT channels exhausting as its all just the same parroted view points from people with no real experience living and running one.
Your points are very valid but for the short term.
The future (EV’s) is one of obsolescence because that is the business model of capitalism (car makers make money with building cars, not having them hang around for 30 years …)
You could argue that you in particular have no problem changing cars on a regular basis but cars are made of raw materials and the amount of raw materials on the planet is set. And the rarer the materials, the less is used (to save costs) and the less likely they are to be recycled.
EV’s are probably be force fed to us in the next few decades but in the next century, hopefully we (our kids) will live simple lives riding bicycles and using trains (which are EV’s with no compromise on efficiency).
The only part of the equation worth discussing is our behavior and how it sits in the grand scheme of things.
@@Cooper_Turboriding bikes and using trains?😂f o mate no one needs to compromise anything we aren’t at risk of extinction from co2 it is in fact at its lowest levels for a lot of years and needs to rise. It also only makes up 0.04% of matter, it’s hardly an issue yet pay a few traitors to cherry pick some data and use computer models based on that data and you have an easy way to brainwash anyone stupid enough to listen into staying at home.
Jack, Ethan and Edwin 👀. Could it be their Porsche?
oh god, please!!! Would be wonderful.
Just not edwin, i didnt really care for him.
I reckon Alex has bought out Car Throttle or at least has a majority stake or whatever in it.
@@Ben-fk9ey more like the previous trio finally got their own channel and just need a friendly boost at the beginning.
hes not that rich, they said its multi million business now@@Ben-fk9ey
Hi guys,
First off, really love this channel and a big fan.
However, there is a real lack of understanding of EVs in this episode.
2/3 of UK households have access to off-street parking where an EV charge point could be fitted. The electricity at home at night is so cheap and costs an absolute fraction versus petrol. My car will do 220 real-world miles in winter for less than £6 and it's an early inefficient EV. Yes i sometime have to charge publicly but it's by exception.
Also, BMW ARE NOT backing out of EVs...none of the car OEMs are because they have quotas they must hit or they get penalised. BMW are making massive investments into their new 'Neue Klasse' EV platform for most future models.
Lastly, batteries are absolutely fixable. Garage like Cleevely Motors, Tesla Specialist Birmingham, and many HEVRA approved garages can now fix EV batteries. This is no different to ICE cars.
You guys are car fans but please, please, please spend some time understanding EVs better and help to raise awareness about the current options for maintenance...that would really be a great way to use your platform.
my 2013 fabis 1.2 tsi, what a gem of a car that is... just went over 100,000 mils, and still a very good little car. I use it as a work van as well as a family car... it is just a great little car...
On the subject of PHEVs, my work "van" is an Outlander PHEV. I agree with both Taylor and Rory. I can charge at work which is 8 miles from home so I can commute for weeks purely on electric power, saving the planet and with no local emissions. If however I don't charge it or need to do more mileage, the Outlander averages around 35 MPG which isn't bad, but isn't great either..
I'm in a similar situation. Got free charging at work and it's 13 miles away. So 26 mile round trip and my phev has 39mile range i was looking at my bank earlier and it seems like I've only spent £25 on petrol this year and it's at half tank so assume I've actually only used £10 😂
Something about the charger failed end of last year and they replaced it under warranty however it was £3850 worth or repairs.... I won't be owning it after warranty expires. Luckily due to TfL and uber my car has only lost pennies in value in 16 months though 🙏
I remember a motorcycle workshop with a large mezzanine floor converted to a "photographic " studio ..possibly a project for your unit Tyler?
Charging predominantly at home is *significantly* cheaper. My dad's on about £300 for 7500 miles of driving. But yes, cost of charging out and about is extortionate and needs reigning in.
You can change a faulty one of the 12 modules in an EV car battery for a small amount of money.
Oh i know that NEW channel!!! I KNOW THAT!!! it is the old team from Car Throttle! Ethan, Jack and Edwin!! 100% happening! We already saw that coming for a while of course
Particularly as the car Edwin wanted to buy in his last episode is behind Alex's MX5 😂
didn't see that xD@@DPW864
Batteries can be fixed for a hell of a lot cheaper than you'd think. There just needs to be good service centers and parts avaible. As more people are trained, as the servicing becomes more mature etc, it will normal for high milage cars to go in and get a battery serviced, take out bad cells etc and replace with good ones. Very rarely the whole battery is bad, usually just a cell or two that need replacing
You can't repair a lithium battery in a shop like you can repair an engine. There's a lot more danger involved, requiring special handling. With that in mind, some batteries are not even meant to be serviced on-site, if they're even serviceable at all.
Teslas for instance have the battery pack integral to the chassis. So even if you acquire the know how to tackle that kind of job, doing the battery pack yourself instead of having Tesla do it, that will instantly black list that car, so no more supercharging, no more support. And with Tesla doing that you can imagine other OEMs will follow suite.
@@AkioWasRightYeah, it’s easier to repair a battery.
@@EVMan298 No, it isn't. You're just saying it is.
Lithium-ion batteries are essentially chemical bombs. Unlike an engine block, these lithium batteries require special handling and disassembly. In some cases, they are structural and aren't intended to be service at all.
There's a reason, in come cases, collision repair shops refuse to even touch EVs.
@@AkioWasRight Correct I’m not just saying it is without anything to back it up. My first EV had its battery repaired and it was quick and easy. Now then, what’s your experience of EVs?
No, they’re not ‘chemical bombs’, stop being overly dramatic.
Just looking through the view counts on v2 channel videos and not surprised to learn that the videos with Taylor in the thumbnail perform the best... interesting
I have a Toyota C-HR 18 plate (Hybrid), I can and have got 70mph on a weekly cross country run, and I have done and Run from my home town to Tilbury Docks (253miles) return total 506 miles + about 10 miles running around at the docks on 1 tank of fuel 45 ltr, The max speed on the motorway was 65mph. The new Toyota RAV Plugin Hybrib will do about 50ish miles solely on the second battery then reverts to being a normal self charging Hybrid
18:33 i used to own a 1986 Honda VFR750F. What a machine that was. Actually regret selling that bike for a bit. Just a bit, because to be honest that V4 sound made me break speedlimits daily and i don't want my license to be suspended or anything. And that's when the fuel tank of the VFR started leaking, so i decided to get rid of it.
I did a wise thing by selling it as you can read, but yeah... I still think i should've kept it.
Going off another UA-cam channel (salvage rebuilds) he was paying 83p per unit which cost him £34 for 130mile of range so on motorways diesel is still king of munching the miles. I agree electric is losing its charm with the likes of MG giving discounts of almost 15k on low mileage demonstrators, some less than 1k miles
The EV value point seems a little disingenuous. A quick auto trader search shows any saloon that cost c.£40k in 2020 with 80-90k miles is now about 13-15k. Tesla, BMW, Audi, even Jaguar. Harry's from Harry's Garage makes a better argument on the issues of the EV market and his vid is worth a watch.
2.0 Golf TDI 2015. Went to Glasgow and back last year. 736 mile round trip. Car did 59.9mpg. 😁
53:40 - taylor going to court
Love the comment about the M40 being our autobahn! So true, awfully rude of the rozzers to spoil your fun
One of the most interesting discussions on EV's I have heard for a while.
Aptera in California are making solar powered cars, which might not quite work in the UK (they claim they would, but couldn't garage it!), but they could fill a hole in the commuter market for the athletic and nimble people - they have a max carry weight of around 600lbs, so Taylor and I would be pretty much at the max weight.
Completely agree on electric vs fuel based cars - diesels are great for >30mile regular commutes/towing, electric for short runs, hybrids to have the option for long journeys - but they are a compromise.
Both hydrogen and synthetic fuels have way, way more problems than BEVs. Hydrogen takes a lot more energy to produce, and synthetic fuels are either biofuels made from crops or from CO2, which is extremely difficult.
Good news! I just passed my driving test! Next I tackle my a2 licence!
Bought a high milage diesel hero. 57 to 60 MPG. Cheap as chips to buy - under a grand, about 700 to bring it up to MOT and good reliability spec. Cheap tax and very reasonable insurance. Bloody marvelous. Di not want a milk float, Porsche branded or otherwise. Great show lads.
somebody has to be that one: All my favourite youtubers at shedfest? sticking to motoring, I don't think MORR, Donut, Elizabeth Blackstock, Alanis King or Sammit are likely to be at shedfest haha
Oh look, there is Edwins 'crispy' Porsche
To paraphrase Jaws, you’re going to need a bigger garage
That Duke 390 at the back looks wonderful. Is that Alex's?
40:40 to be fair though, 100k/mi warranty is pretty standard for any car on the road. No-one offers unlimited mile warranties from factory, it was obviously an early adopter incentive. Tesla's warranties are 5-7 years for battery/drive trains/etc. pretty decent and inline with long warranties that people love from the likes of Kia, especially compared to the joke warranties you get with the German brands that I've had on VW's where you get 1-3 years and need to have regular servicing (which you don't with Tesla). So I'm not really sure that was a fair dig.
The point being, it would be rare for a mainstream (not exotica or performance) ICE car to throw a 5 figure bill out of warranty. With EVs you have less servicable parts, but if the battery or motor dies....you're up 💩's creek!
The problem with electric cars is rapid depreciation, battery life especially in hot or cold running, battery degradation, lack of charging infrastructure. Not only that, if you find a charging point, it may not work. If it does the charging time is a lot longer than refuelling a petrol or diesel. If the battery does need replacing it's beyond economical repair.
Insurers are finding they're more expensive to repair which means the premium is higher. Commercial charging points are about the same price as petrol.
What’s your experience of EVs?
@@EVMan298 I'm going by various reports I've read and videos I've watched. Even the boss of a major Japanese car manufacturer has said EVs will make up no more than 30 percent of the market. According to a physicist that was interviewed, the UK would have to double its power production if we all switch to EVs overnight. This would need major upgrades in infrastructure.
The materials for lithium ion batteries primarily exist in devoloping countries, involving slave labour.
The CO2 cost of producing the car in the first place would take 10 years to recuperate. Overall I'd rather by a used car if an ICE that I can refuel in 10 minutes and drive another 500 miles without worrying about putting the heater on.
@@tboneisgaming sooo that’s no actual experience? Figures..
54mpg in my Up! GTI and I do many motorway miles a year. I could never go electric myself, and all the studies I’ve done around the electric market as part of my degree shows that it’s not going to last.
Plus it’s based on science that isn’t even correct in the first place. We don’t need saving from a gas at an all time low which makes up 0.04% of matter either. We are on the brink of extinction if anything, if it drops anymore we would be properly in trouble.
The stag paint ball where everyone vs the stag, That happened to me on my stag do. I was covered in bruises but was allot of fun haha.
My stag party paint ball. All vs me with no armour. Did a baseball slide, torn/ strained my leg muscles 1 week before wedding. Couldnt walk, wife was going mental. Than our Vauxhall Zafira went a bit toasty. Yes that series Zafira.
I'm not kidding, I was thinking on the Fisker too!! 52:55😂😂
Taylor you normally can heat and cool you’re house with a air conditioner 😅
He ought to be looking at an Air-to-Air heat pump. 🤔
He has a wall mounted with an outside part so it should make heat.😊
The majority of evs have circa 30-40k miles on not 100k & can be have for 20k upwards even lower in the case of the jaguar iPace
It feels like Alex is the only one that has given more than 60 seconds thought to EVs. Would be really interesting to get a guest on who has some knowledge of the environment or transport policy to help get the basics right
Check out the recent Harry’s garage video has a lot of interesting facts on ev
@@AIJLarkin Even his wasn't great. Using Nissan Leaf to base an argument on when anyone with a tiny bit of EV knowledge knows that is an isolated example running with no battery cooling. A mistake no other manufacturer has made since
What about his point about the amount of ev panameras and e-Trons already being up for sale ??
@@MarkFord-ho8vi diffrent pence range e-trons are expensive and majority couldn't afford one at 70k never ming 170k
@@adamfry1125 The point does kinda still stand though, whatever EV you are looking at. On the secondhand market, as a buyer, you have F-All idea how that battery has been charged (AC vs DC, Fast/Rapid/Ultra) and the overall health of the drivetrain.
Granted, you could make the same argument as to whether an ICE car has been filled with V-power or supermarket sludge during it's life. But AFAIK battery degradation is irreversible, whereas a carbon clean or a bit of red-x and you're good to go on an ICE.
There is no standard or way of knowing what the condition of a used EV's battery is. The fact that it could cost you more than the car to replace is why people are very hesitant to buy them outside of warranty periods.
❤ ledgends you guys are loving all the content keep up the good work ❤
Toyota went off and did that 24hour race with Hydrogen fair enough it didn't give enough MPG. But ICE cars are likely to be converted/modified in kits.
What you mean like LPG . Because that worked well
Seriously. I hate podcasts. This is the only one I watch. Keep it up!
Trading up series by Taylor would be great tbf
PHEV is the worst of both worlds, the MPG is shit, and the miles per KWh is more expensive than petrol!
The look of love on Taylors face as he says ' I love lasagne'
A good video to watch is Harry's Garage a few episodes ago and why he's bought a diesel Range Rover Sport. He gives a detailed and clear explanation of why EV is diminishing.
It's not though. EV sales continue to rise.
@@drunkenhobo8020 Why are you telling me? I've simply recommended a video to watch. Perhaps comment on that.
No they don’t, they’ve fallen since last year
far better analysis than you see here!
@@drunkenhobo8020just wait for it. They will soon drop.
Taylor : you need a Bigass Fan for the workshop, they're made in Australia
I have a hybrid company car, 9 years old now, lost 1/3 its battery mileage, economy on the petrol is poor as having to carry around an extra 200-250kg battery weight. Hybrid good in some forms, stay clear of electric completely in my opinion
Love this lot they could do a good top gear type show...
I do not know if EVs are the future, but thanks to climate warming the future if definitively zero emission. So it will be EVs or bicycles. Both are ok for me.
Curious why is the podcast on UA-cam a week behind everywhere else?
47:25 well said, I've been saying that for YEARS... farming for these fuel sources doesn't have to be traditional above ground/agriculture as you know it, now. Lab-grown, underground, innovation will follow, doesn't need to occupy above ground rural acreage.
Problem is that would take a lot of energy, which would be more efficiently spent on solar panels charging batteries.
@@drunkenhobo8020 you're suggesting it takes more energy to grow plants than it does to produce solar panels/charging batteries via environmentally poisonous methods in Asian countries, then ship all those panels and components to the western world, then create the physical infrastructure to support those panels for EV charging, and then have fossil fuel-generated backup energy for when solar panels have no sunshine (sometimes an issue in the UK)... Again, we need think independently and logically versus how we've been/are being trained and "edcuated" to think by the entities who will profit most by these good idea fairy concepts of "clean" energy.
@@wretchedrider Uhh... how were you proposing to grow your plants _under ground_ without providing them with artificial light? Artificial light that would have to be powered, presumably by solar panels, wind turbines or hydro?
@drunkenhobo8020 A) I said it doesn't "have to be traditional" farming, but I'd prefer traditional to start (again, let's use existing infrastructure/industry to begin, let innovation fuel the future of agriculture) and 2) I would fuel said underground lights with generators powered by our initial above-ground yield of ethanol, silly Willy! The idea here is we sever ties with nations aimed at destroying/conquering the west. Heck, if we can figure out how to cleanly and domestically produce solar panels, I'm game as a secondary energy source but I'm not aware of any such source of solar panels.
@@wretchedrider You couldn't power lights with the above-ground source of ethanol. Due to efficiency losses you'd end up with less than you started with; plants are incredibly inefficient at producing usable fuel.
You guys are absolute legends live all you guys xxxxx❤
44:00 again... I've never paid more than £0.48p/kWh at peak time to charge whilst on the road, as Alex says. But just as you don't fill up at motorway services, you don't fully charge on the road. It's all about destination charging! My car fills up at home, whilst I'm asleep all automatically at £0.07p/kWh via Octopus' EV tariff, which also gives me Economy 7 so I get really cheap leccy from 23:30-06:30 every night too for the washing/dishwasher/etc. It costs me around £3 to do 350mi on a single charge, which compared to £70-£80 (when fuel was ~110-120/L) in my old 7.5 Golf R to do the same 350mi on a tank. No one, and I mean no one, is buying an EV to use the chargers that are out and about. And if they are, then yes ICE cars are more cost effective. Its all about destination charging, you only put enough in your tank at those super chargers to get you where you're going, the same way you'd only fill up an ICE car to get you to ASDA or wherever its cheapest. So please stop parroting this stance, as again its just not realistic. As Rory goes onto say at 44:50, the issue is as well, the legacy auto guys don't want to take charge of the infra as traditionally gas/oil have done that job. Govt's don't want to do it as its never been their place either. So only Tesla at the moment are delivering a solution that is viable. And as for terrace housing, yeah no idea how they will solve that. The best solution will be some form of trough or something in the pavement that you can leave your cable in from your house, all hidden and buried. Again, we're expecting everything all upfront. Its taken society 100 years of the ICE car to get to the point we're at today. EV's are only just starting, so instead of complaining, we are still so early days that its still all around building solutions, it won't happen overnight.
I wouldn't say it's taken 100 years to get to today in terms of the infrastructure. Heck, a lot of the filling stations around have been there since the 60's or 70's (in the UK).
Why should it be up to the manufacturers to install chargers? They haven't mandated the change to EV. That is a concerted effort by global governments and legislators. Who is going to pay for all the infrastructure? Cables will need laying, streets and pavements dug up etc. My father in law is a jointer for National Grid. He's had it where some places can't have fast chargers installed because the substation is at capacity or the wiring to the house from the substation isn't specified to take the extra load.
I have a BYD Seal which has 300 bhp and it's bananas, that's the "slow" one too 😂. No one needs any more than that on the road.
Does BYD stand for Burn Your Drive as it will eventually burst into flames?
@@Peterpanic-c3h christ almighty 😂 mate, just accept that an EV is not for you, do a bit of research so that you're not saying stupid shit on the Internet and move on.
I spy the 996 in the background 👀 see it at Renn-Works the other day ……..
Trust me that EV's are definitely going to rule the market.
It's just our government are shit at the moment in regards to anything.. just look at Europe they have charging stations everywhere.
Back petrol because it financially makes sense for oil companies.
My Prius gen2 used to do get 68mpg
I now have a zoe to comute in. Because I can charge at home its great, its costing around £11 per week to do around 250 miles. The battery argument is absolute BS anyone in the trade knows that batteries can be refurbished for less than an ICE engine build.
I am an old school diesel, the trouble is they are not ulez and CAZ friendly. This renders my mk5 transit unless as a useful truck.
The only reason diesels are banished is because us peseants could make fuel in the back yard.
Personally I want the arse to fall out of the market. I would love to get my hands on a cheap Tycan turbo s shooting break.
We don’t need to build charging stations. We need to build power plants. You can’t pass go. We don’t make enough kilowatts to even think about charging up all these cars. Power plants first then charging stations or not at all.
note to rory,i got shot point blank with a paintball on the right nadger,i"m a big man but i dropped to the floor like a sack of s++t
compare electric cars to phones. with tech advancing older cars become obsolete really quickly, ignoring apple, residual values are next to nothing for a 3-4 year old phone compared to the purchase price.
and in a similar way to phones, the early adopters have all bought, the infrastructure is at max (our local petrol station has rapid chargers and there is always a queue) so the market has becomes somewhat saturated. and perhaps most critically, the infrastructure for service and repair is all at the main dealers, which means the price for keeping an electric car if something goes wrong it too high which puts off people from the second hand market.
im happy to spanner on a petrol or diesel car, but no way am i touching a 400v system on an EV, and so are the majority of independent garages. and i suspect main dealers are happy to exclude anyone else for their own benefit even if it kills the market. so until the software and technical skills are accessible i think it'll continue.
My university had a car share system to let people drive home. Electric, charging at uni and a seemingly low charge to use. The government has ruined the market by incentivising expensive, powerful electrics and not cheap, efficient ones. Charging should be regulated in the way petrol prices are, to stop price gouging, and the energy providers should be regulated more to stop them overcharging by 80% (British gas) when compared to their costs. There needs to be a system of wireless or under car charging for terraced streets and then electric could work. Diesel kills thousands of people a year through nox.
UK and US electric cars crashing in price while theyre still stupidly expensive in sweden
dont really mind much though, no interest in electric yet
Whoever reads these comments, tell Taylor to ask to speak to the duty solicitor when he arrives at court next time. If it’s obvious you are not guilty they can sometimes sort it straight away so you can go. In fact a tip for anyone going to court…..always ask to speak to the duty solicitor. If you can convince them you’re not guilty they’ll convince the magistrate it’s not worth a hearing.
Batteries are ~15k not 40k. But still a huge chunk of change
with syntetich fuel you need massive crops and with hydrogen you need massive amounts of water, not fiesable.
Teslas coming out of warranty will obviously affect used values but you wouldn't fit a new manufacture supplied engine to your 8 year old 100k mile ICE car you would fit a used part.
Also its not very common and you dont need to do any maintenance what so ever apart from all the normal wear items that cars have.
There are examples of Teslas doing 200-300k miles with 85-90% capacity left. Supercharging doesnt seem to impact battery health either as software always monitors the battery. With NO maintenance required! Thats really quite insane.
Average UK car is only 14 years old or 140k before its scrapped, which is shocking. EV's have the potential to do double this, with no maintenance. You are very unlucky if you have a full battery pack failure, usually modules can be replaced at a much lower cost.
My mate just bought a Citroën c8 people carrier. Apparently they are rare. It needs a little help though.
You guys are replacing the hole left from OG top gear.
Taylor May, Alex Clarkson, Rory Hammond 😂
ANY REAL ISSUE WITH A BMW GEAR BOX IS MOST OF THE TIME A TORQUE CONVERTER YOU CAN REPLACE FOR NEW OR GET REFURBISHED
Hi Alex Rory and Taylor.
I still haven't had my invite to shedfest. I'm assuming this is because to postal serve is run by the management it is.
Please check this out and please rectify. Cheers
Regards
John
It was Volvo who tried mention scheme where never owned car sort of time share swapped around when want.
Failed UK but think carried on in other countries
Hey Taylor, that Fiat Punto that you got roasted for , is it a Sporting , HGT or JDT? If it’s any of those variants you should probably hold onto it! If you don’t know why then find out 🙂
Thank me later… 😉👍🏾
I was watching an F1 clip about sustainable fuel which is being made compulsory for the 2026 season. It won't be long before its available for the public.
Electric cars are the 8-track of todays world. They'll be used for a while and then something ultimately better, and not fossil fuel powered, will come along. Most people feel this to be the case, we've grown up with the growth of technology, we know something better will come along, so why buy some of the early technology when we can just run petrol and diesel cars until the die.
42:30 I'm really not sure why so many petrol heads think that 'EV's are just gonna die out'. Its like Balmer's comment on the first iPhone. Hybrids are obviously the way forwards for now, for sure, something like a modern Prius or something - the main thing being the cost factor. EV's are still too expensive for what they are, mainly as the scale isn't there yet. However, with the sheer amount of investment in infra and car brands pivoting all of their future lineups to EV's, there is no way Rory's prediction comes true. EV's will win out eventually, battery problems will be solved as there becomes a market demand for it and it will drive down the price. The car market we have now has taken a century to get to this point and have things and cheap as they are, we're having to start again essentially. The only problem with EV's is that they've always been over inflated cost wise from the start, and as Alex says they are vastly overpowered, no family car needs 500hp. But also so are all cars at the moment, on what planet should a MK8 Golf R be £60k MSRP? That's just insane. Right now on VW's official stock listing they have 10+ in stock at that price. I remember getting my 7.5 new from VW for £28k in late 2018. I think people's perspectives have been broken quite a lot due to the pandemic. Cars have always depreciated like a rock thrown into the ocean, nothing is new there. 100k on an ICE car and you may be looking at an engine rebuild or drive train issues, electrical, etc. anyway (depending on make & model) which are also mega costly. EV's are super reliable as there is mechanically barely anything in them compared to a traditional ICE car. They are infinitely cheaper to run and fuel, they make for superb commuter/daily cars as they are so damn cheap to run. Pennies on the pound compared to ICE. The issue is the buy-in price for a new example are just far too high. Once Dacia/VW/etc. start pumping out £10-15k Polo style city runners that do 200-300mi on a charge with all the mod cons, adoption will slowly start to pick up again.
City car sized EVs aren't going to work. Look at the e-Up, 500e, Zoe, e208, corsa-e, etc. They're not exactly setting the world on fire in terms of sales volumes and the margins on those cars are tiny. Many manufacturers have pulled out of that market completely, just because even the ICE variants don't sell in enough numbers globally. Fiesta? Gone - here, have a Puma. Micra? Gone- Here, have a Juke.
There would need to be a quantum leap in terms of energy density in batteries for a car as small as 208/corsa to have a close to 300 mile range on a charge. You'd have to have at least a 75Kwh pack to get near that, and that's assuming an efficiency of 4 miles per kwh. A Hyundai Inoniq 5 on it's 'official' data says it can get 3.5-3.7 miles per kwh. So really, you're looking at closer to a 85kwh pack which would be too big to fit in a car of that size. For comparison, a current gen Zoe has a 52kwh pack.
Caveat here, if you're getting a car the size of a corsa or Zoe, do you really need a 300 mile range? that is debatable.
What i can't argue with from your post is the ridiculous prices of cars now. But noone looks at the sticker price any more. It's all about how much is it gonna cost per month for 3 years? Doesn't matter about the sticker price, you can see that in the advertising. Whereas it used to be "From £16,999 on the road", it's now "From £250 a month".