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Valley of Death: exhumation of missing in action WWII soldiers at Mjasnoj Bor (Original version)
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2014
- The updated version of this video can be seen here: • Digging in the "Valley...
Russian diggers from the Sniezhni Desant group explore the so called "Valley of Death" battlefield in the Mjasnoj Bor area, south of St Petersburg, in April and May 2014, in order to exhume the bodies of Soviet soldiers killed in battle in the swamps 1942.
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Des "creuseurs blancs" russes recherchent les corps de soldats portés disparus près du village de Mjasnoj Bor, région du Volshow, St Petersbourg, en 2014.
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Bergung von vermist und gefallene Soldaten in der Umgebung von Mjasnoj Bor, Russland.
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Best comments posted:
"Only the birds sing for these fallen soldiers in the quiet woods,"
"and the wind whispers their names at night...."
Darre King: "If you want to know why Germany couldn't conquer Russia watch this all the way through,"
Spaz6996: "Vodka, Bread and Cigarette ....all a man needs in the after life."
Nathan Hardee: "Russians don't fuck around. They show up in a kickass battle vehicle ready to fucking turn those trees to toothpicks!"
Jozsef Nyisztor: "The Soviet women in the video, who were eating the Toblerone, are the most beautiful women in the World. They should be fashion models, and not grave robbers."
Kent Churchill: "These folks know how to have fun, even when doing a tough job like finding lost countrymen. If I fall in battle.....I hope that my bones get found by woman as beautiful as these girls!!!!....Oh yeah...thats right, grab my femur.......oh yeah!!"
Scott Summers: "If i was to fall in combat.I wouldnt want my corpse to be moved away from where I was at.Its like an honor to die among my fellow soldiers with my remains there instead of some goddamn museum or preserves.I want someone to chance upon it and go like damn.These people faught for us.Gave the ultimate price.Hell i would be happy to stay there."
"All I can think when watching is that those same wet, soggy and miserable swamp-like conditions they're digging in were probably as it was when the poor soldiers were fighting there all those years ago. It must have been sheer hell on earth. Waterlogged and tangled underfoot, difficult conditions to navigate when not fighting all out war, but crawling through that undergrowth with bullets flying and shell exploding all around, trees falling, mud flying... sheesh! Cold, wet and no doubt very tired, punctuated by sheer terror. "
"Only GOD and the earth of Mother Russia KNOW the TRUE number of the fallen!!"
If you want to know why Germany couldn't conquer Russia watch this all the way through,
Russia has never been conquered. The people of Russia during the last days anyone able enough to carry an shoot a gun, women, children the elderly everyone. Did.. and Soviet military practice was to shot anyone coming you direction including any Russian man woman or child as they were considered deserters or traitor's and not many people had an issue with killing these people therefore not many people turned around an ran from the fight. People out of ammo would do anything possible to take out at least one more enemy. An Germany never had a chance during their invasion of Russia. Fighting on two fronts one with the allies an the other with people who are literally willing to die for their country. So to answer your question. That's why
@@JoeNathan42420 The Mongols conquered Russia, and I also disagree with the statement that "Germany never had a chance during their invasion of Russia". This is naive, revisionist, jingoism. A Nazi victory looked all but certain in the Autumn of '41, it was only the weather that stopped them taking Moscow. If they had, Stalin's brutal regime would've likely collapsed.
I do agree with everything else you've written though. Mr Taylor may point out strategic hypotheticals, but in the end, it was ultimately Soviet determination that prevented the Nazis from winning. And as you also point out: retreating wasn't an option after Stalin's Order No. 227.
@The Fibler This is a fantastically naive and stupid comment. If you knew your history, you would know that Hitler planned the mass eradication of the native Slavs. The lucky few who looked Germanic (blonde) would've been kept as slave labour and had their children taken from them. Russia wouldn't even exist, it would've been renamed. Please explain how that would've been better for the average Russian?
@Christian Taylor keep dreaming nazis lost cauase they were inhumane animals
Mud?
Seventy plus years on and we are still looking for them. I have a personal experience in something like this. I have an uncle who was a B-24 pilot. In March of 1944 his plane was shot down over Toulon Harbor in France. The Germans recovered the crew, buried them and recorded their deaths. They failed to record where 3 of the crew were buried one being my uncle. Three years ago some remains were found, somehow the Army found me and asked for a DNA sample. After 71 years we had finally found my uncle and laid him to rest next to his parents, my grandparents.
Seamus Griffey wow what a story. I’m still looking for my great grandpa who was in 416 division. we know when and where he died but can’t find his burial site. hoping to find him in my lifetime
My grandfather is from New Zealand who fought in world war2 in the 28th Maori Battalion....I watch all these and have always been interested in the past wars...I always get sad when bones of a body that has been buried for many years gets found....I would love to do something like this and bring closure for families....so many unmarked buried graves... too many
this one time ,,,,at band camp........
Thats a great ending to a sad story.
I'm glad he can rest with his family finally.
I like this because they are not out looking to rob graves, but find lost men from both sides and give their families closure. A great way to teach archaeology to a new generation and do something good. If I was younger I would love to participate.
Not really archaeology is it though Gary? Not much in the way of scientific skills going on here by the look of it, just grubbing around.
Nope, excavation at best!
@@MeAbroad2004 provide finer examples?
I would love to do this as well
@@MeAbroad2004 I suppose that the numbers are over whelming, something like 12-14 million dead soldiers in total. I know that near Stalingrad there's field's of bones and skulls from the ten's of thousands left unburied frozen in the snow, intended to be buried after the thaw but their comrades had joined them by then.
First of all thank you for doing this video in English so I could follow along. Second, 3 generations since the war and you guys are still looking. It shows you’ll never forget and that is more than awesome! You have my respect. Closure for the families of the fallen is important to me. Third, your camp food looked very interesting along with your campfire songs in that more than creepy forest swamp. Good job you guys!
Only the birds sing for these fallen soldiers in the quiet woods.
Peter Stegman Very beautiful sentiment. Perfect. My heart was moved watching the video.
And me, here in Texas. Maybe the allies would have won without Russia but it would have taken three more years and millions more dead.
Nice Poem... i really want to cry
Very well said. Very poetic.
How many birds sang or sing for all the people gassed by the Nazis?
8 years ago. All those young people have grown up and hopefully are following their careers, hopes and dreams. Thank you for your hard work in the swamp.
I think the dead soldiers would probably have loved hearing the laughter of young girls and the singing
Friend, who walks quietly by me, remember this:
I gave up all my tomorrows, for your today!
I am 80 years old.
I remember rationing, and air raid black outs.
This was our reality.
It takes your lifetime to forget, to be turned to this again
@Joseph Mcbride For one thing, the rationing did not immediately end with the war. Nations which were devastated by war had to be rebuilt. Some items, in some war damaged countries, were rationed for years. Remember also the many lives lost, and the many maimed or injured, so productivity of these nations was decreased. Hell, there were even "debris" sites remaining in Croyden (south of London) when I lived there in 1987. 1987! Just a year or so after I returned to the US, rebuilding on one site found an enormous unexploded bomb. I had been walking past that site almost daily ! Egads!
@@allthingsharbor Bread which was unrationed during ww2 in the UK was rationed afterwards in order to supply wheat to the Germans to prevent them from starving.
Politics of the time aside, every soul who never came home from that place deserves to be brought out and returned to those that have wondered for so long.... This is a great service. God Bless
Absolutely
Time to go home now Soldier, you done your Country proud God Bless RIP. From friends in U.K.
He can go home at least, but he will never have a personal future, that he planned to have. No one amongst them.
Fuck the traitor politicians, they should die instead of young men.
Wonderful to see these people dedicating their time to find missing soldiers and possibly bringing closure to families of lost soldiers, well done and keep up the great work :)
Good work returning them back to their respective families. Much respect and love
- Kayla Bowman
Hobart, Indiana; USA
I like how the Russians gather round the campfire and sing folk songs-it could be Americans aside from language. Just shows people are people regardless of what our governments try telling us. I would love to come on one of these excavations/camping trips. Love your channel!
I was quite close to Myasnoy Bor, about 10-20km, when I rode my motorcycle on a 4 month journey from Germany to St Petersburg when the World Cup was on (I didn’t visit for the cup, just a coincidence). I visited many battlefields and memorials nearby (Veliky Novgorod, Pskov, and many sites in the Baltic states and Poland), but not here. My wife was born in Leningrad. My parents in law were children during the siege and have suffered health problems their entire life from the malnutrition they experienced as children. My wife’s grandparents all fought, amazingly all survived (one grandfather lost both legs), and the two grandmothers only died in the last 5 years, in their mid 90s. Lovely people. Solemn, respectful, two were doctors, two were engineers. When you visit any former Soviet city in Europe miserable history is never far away. Lest we forget the enormous sacrifices born of utter madness.
My father was a ( canadian) black pilot - during WW2, and his father was in ww1 and his father was in the slavery war. We found all of this in a lock box after daddy died. He never spoke about his experience. God bless daddy
I have never heard of Black Canadian pilots during World War II before. What was your father's name and what squadron did he fly with?
That Track vehicle is perfect for that situation to get around and to accomplish the mission . Thankyou for what your doing to bring these Soldiers home to their families and get them buried in a place of Honor .
What a wonderful thing this group is doing - I never knew about it. I also liked the video not only showing the finds, but also the camping and camaraderie surrounding the expedition. Nice work!
Nice to see such an organized & respectful effort into such important history.
100%
I am a retired American soldier. I wish I could be there helping find your fallen comrades with you. I honor all soldiers who have fought in the defense of their country. I have great respect for what you are doing for your fallen.
you like Nazis?
it is amazing to see these young people interested in digging in such a swampy area to find the dead and inform their relatives...it is a fine thing that they do...
It's just a crazy fact there are so many millions that are still missing in battle. Back then the Soviet Union didn't care about recovering the dead body's of the soldiers so it's good that people been doing this for the last 30 years or so!! These are good people take there own personal time and actually lots of times with there own money. Specially in Russia.
I believe they did have no clear idea ( too many, God knows where)
Because the same happened with the spoils of the soldiers of the ARMIR.
there are some many similarities between Americans and Russians when politics is out of the way.
They both honor their armed forces greatly.
i agree
Yea too bad our politicians have to be dicks
Yes, very true.
Because we are one big family?! ;) Thera are just some Guys, that won´t see us (I´m German) united...
I love how he video the whole journey. It just shows how a place can be such a horror and warm in 70 years different
It is so wonderful what these college students are doing finding lost soldiers and bringing closure to their families what a fantastic great awesome thing
I found this expedition into ground where many soldiers remains are buried where they fell , very moving and was quite emotional thinking about the relatives of the dead. I am British by (1943) birth, a Canadian citizen and living in the USA now and realize that if the Russian army had not been so brave and sacrificed so much, then we may not have won the war against Hitler and the Nazis. I shed tears watching this film. Thankyou for what you are doing.
At first I read the title "WWlll" and was like "did I quarantine too long?!"
That looks like a fascinating dig/adventure/course. I feel for the lost soldiers. So many stories and family history just ended in a moment. And then to be left behind on the field. So sad. It's great that they are being reclaimed. I am so glad that these passionate and respectful people are here to do this and not treasure seekers. Refreshing change. Good luck guys!
9:40 and 10:16. The ways of youthful, beautiful happy girls. What fresh air they always bring.
Love how they deal with a grenade. ""Yes its a grenade" then casually throws it away! Stay safe people.
it cannot explode anymore after being in water for 70 years
Cnon so the whole idea of granades exploding under water is a myth?
How to hell do these guys know how long its been underwater....have they got a 70 year geological record of the whole area....there's a saying...rather safe than sorry
@@T4Cification Exactly the point I was trying to make. Yes most of what lies their has been their for a long time but they cant be sure of that and that's why a regular Army would treat the ammo differently.
@@T4Cification no but after rusting and soaking for 70 odd years there's no chance of it being live.....are you really that stupid?
What you’re doing is truly humbling and patriotic. Ty 🙏🏻❤️
it is with us Russians have since pagan times preserved this custom. To the dead, dead always pour vodka, cover a glass with bread. Cigarettes were later added. Thus treating the deceased, appeasing his soul. On Parent's Day, every year, sweets, cigarettes are left on the graves of the deceased, and vodka is poured.
What a wonderful thing these college students are doing the following soldiers and bringing peace to their family members
As a retired Soldier,
Contemplating the conditions that those Russian men & women were fighting in and the terrible amount of death everywhere. I can only stand and give them all an honorable Slow Salute.
Imagine being on patrol 80 years ago and having to live in those woods during the winter without modern materials to keep you dry and warm.
The russian people defending themselves truly hard savage times.
I am impressed, especially with the way these young people are doing something rather noble and for how well they do setting up a working camp and keeping a very positive attitude. No spoiled millennial brats here. Also it's good to see such acquired skill in searching methods, low-tech but it works.
Pr Owner I'm surprise at how well you found the comment button.
Shut the fuck up boomer
The clucking assassin you mad huh? Cuz he was spitting straight facts
We can only imagine how terrible it must have been to fight in such a hostel environment. These people should be proud of what they're doing, bringing soldiers home after so many years. If only more could be identified, they were all so very young.
Very nice to see people with respect for the dead and not just hunting for treasures.
Lots of respect to those people out there giving their time and effort to do this.
Good people finding there missing, what an appalling place to fight it would of just been a mud bath
So brutal. They even shoot your morning coffee.
lol
Lol
Nothing to lol about it..
@@alexsani3340 damn it was a joke bruh
@@SoapMcCallister in that case it flew over my head, unlike that morning coffee drinker.
It's just my opinion but I'm sure the souls of those lost soldiers are lifted by the joyful singing of these young people who are trying to find their remains and put them to rest
Some people were complaining that the singing was disrespectful. Cant make everyone happy.
Considering the ground water I am surprised that you didn't find more remains with adipocere. .
What a fine group of young people. They speak very good English. Thank You.
I like how joyful these men and women are despite working on such sad history. It’s bitter sweet, but they are lost reuniting family members.
I've read that many of these battles around Leningrad took place in difficult terrain. That certainly is true. Hell of a place to die.
Thank you for what you and your group do for those soldiers who paid the ultimate price defending the mother land. I bet they would be very proud of your efforts to bring them back home.
Thank you all for the work you are doing to help find those who died and reunite them with their families.
This brings tears to my eyes and saddens my heart that it takes so long to recover lost loved ones and bring a closure to families
God bless all of you. You are doing a great service for people that can’t do for themselves. I know I would want you to find me if I was there. Great respect! From USA
Thanks for shedding some light on the subject.
One cannot emphasise enough how important this work is. Thank you!
Thank you for your efforts in locating the fallen. It is sad to see those who were left behind but also rewarding to see them uncovered/located and identified as much as possible. They gave their lives for their country and it would be nice if there were no wars again. I am a veteran and if I were missing in action I would hope someone did the respectable thing and return my remains. I love the Russian people and the girls in this video are pretty cute :)
don fulton- regarding your last sentence- you have no idea what you are talking about
The Man He Killed
BY THOMAS HARDY
"Had he and I but met
By some old ancient inn,
We should have sat us down to wet
Right many a nipperkin!
"But ranged as infantry,
And staring face to face,
I shot at him as he at me,
And killed him in his place.
"I shot him dead because -
Because he was my foe,
Just so: my foe of course he was;
That's clear enough; although
"He thought he'd 'list, perhaps,
Off-hand like - just as I -
Was out of work - had sold his traps -
No other reason why.
"Yes; quaint and curious war is!
You shoot a fellow down
You'd treat if met where any bar is,
Or help to half-a-crown."
Gotta say, these young kids were impressive. They looked like they truely enjoyed being together as friends as well as
comrades. They seemed commited to their mission, took it professionally, and anxious to offer up closure to affected families. (Hopefully it is closure
and not ripping open healed over scar tissue).
“War, HUH! , What is it good for?
Absolutely NUTHIN !!!”
Respect to you guys, Quite clearly you are educated by the simple fact you all speak English. I believe you are doing a noble thing well done.
I grew up speaking Afrikaans but we moved to the states when I was 12. After living here all these years I'm not sure being able to speak English is the height of being educated.
By the way, are those butt protectors so the excavators don't have to squat in the mud?
Coldwater Hunter ...Who claimed it was?
The spirit s of the dead I am sure like hearing laughter and singing again
May God bless you young. People for what you are doing very honorable
I spent time in Russia a very long time ago and found a lot of Russians spoke English,as it was a school subject. Also ,the singing reminded me that the Russians and the balts are very musical people.
Thank you guys for doing this all soldiers are supposed to go home, not lay in the middle of nowhere all alone, war is hell to bad we humans will never learn our lessons, may these soldiers finnaly rest in peace.
my great grandpa died during the crucial fight that turned the course of the war in 1943. remember when germans had to give up southern front? that was my great grandpa’s division 416 taganrog. still to this day can’t find his burial site. praying 🙏🏻 and hoping to find him. rip
@i. rob - It's Christmastime a year after your touching comment. Still rings true & I wonder if the OP has been able to locate him yet. Merry Christmas across the pond.
Which battle exactly and where? I live between battlefield. Maybe I can leave a flower. Hugs
Great video! I love what you guys do! Wish I could join! Those woods have to be very active with spirts and ghost! The energy there is thick!
Matsuo Basho wrote a haiku that could be dedicated to every fallen soldier:Summer grass, that's all what remains of soldiers's dreams.
This is amazing. Nice work.
this is good that soldiers from each side are returned to their families for proper burial. With modern ways, DNA can be used to find families that way...thanks for what you are doing !
Thank you for sharing this,looks like the kids had a great time on the outing,and they had great respect of the dead and learned there history.Daniel Steele lake station Indiana usa.
Special people doing a special job. Thank you from Florida USA.
I am binge watching today. My curiosity is, do you try to locate families of items found and human remains found, when you can? It absolutely amazes me that some of the items are in such amazing condition. Like they don’t look like they are relics from war time.
You can see the family of the person whose knife we found, at towards the bottom of this page battlefieldarchaeology.blogspot.com/
Outstanding!
There is something really touching and admirable about the grandchildren or great-grandchildren of these fallen soldiers taking the time and expending the considerable effort to find and inter, with honor, those who died in that terrible war. While Stalin's regime was fully as vile as Hitler's these men fought and died, not for the lunatic in the Kremlin, but to defend their homes and families from murderous invaders. The Russians did most of the fighting and dying in that war and won out despite horrendous losses and the devastation of their homelands.
I contrast these people with those in the U.S. who topple the statues of Confederate dead and would (and sometimes do) desecrate the graves of Southern soldiers who fought just as hard and gave just as much as the Russians of 1942 to defend their families and lands from invaders who, in the end, proved to be ruthless vandals that devastated the richest lands of the Old South in order to starve and terrorize the people into surrendering.
That was a great video and an equally great expedition! I wish that I could have went along. :-). I bet the food was really good after spending all day out there. Greetings from Arizona.
I appreciate this. My great grandfather is still missing. Don’t know where or what branch he was in
Mutual respect. It never fails to move me what you guys are doing. Politics aside they are still our fellow soldiers. Bravo ladies!
Excellent video. Thanks, and keep up this good work. It matters.
How sad all these young men died. War sucks.
They are someone's son, father, brother.....I really feel sad at the waste of life that should never have happened, and is still happening. I really love that these people are trying to bring closure for relatives. 😁🇦🇺👍🏻
einst waren wir feinde heute trauern wir um unsere toten und sind freunde . mein opa liegt auch irgendwo bei stalingrad , ich freue mich auf den tag wo er gefunden wird . ich trage den russen nichts nach beide seiten verloren geliebte menschen .
Thank you and all the people that helped with reunification of the remains with the families or gov't. It doesn't matter which side the men died were from a formal burial would be proper.
When you go home, tell them of us and say, for your tomorrow, we gave our today…
God bless and keep them all.....
Russia sustained more than 27 million casualties in WW2, 80% of the Germans were fighting on the Eastern Front, it was a brutal part of the war. About 17 million were innocent Russian civilians, the rest military. Germany also lost around 6 or 7 million.
The Allies in the west had is ''easy'' by comparison, less than half a million total casualties for the U.K. and USA. France a total of approximately 600,000.
It's clear to see the sacrifice Russia made, they ended the war without a doubt.
I am thankful to have access to this channel. Be well.
As a Vietnam veteran ,I find these comments to be infantile and pathetic.
Why?
Excellent video and thanks for posting it
Interesting work and a well down video--great work!
Jesus it amazes me how every other culture other than The US people know multiple languages.
Too many Muricans can’t even speak English well, and I’m not talking about hispanics, but white Muricans
@@ronanrogers4127 I echo your sentiments but not of Americans, of whom I have only had extremely positive experiences in my limited time in the US of A. I speak of us British, not of the many and varied regional accents but of the barbarous mangling of our language so often encountered in our cities. To call it a Patois would be to unfairly ennoble it. I travel frequently to northern Europe and like to explore off the normal tourist track, I'm often amazed at how fluent other peoples are in my language whereas I am only able to pass the time of day or order a drink and a meal in maybe three different languages.
amazed at how good the Russian students English is
Thanks for the interesting video. Good luck.
Very respectful. Some of the other videos are nothing but grave robbing. Great respect for your work.
Most of the world forgets how many poor russian farm boys died defending their country from the Nazi invaders, but I appreciate their bravery and sacrifice. As an American, I have always liked the Russian people and want to praise you for digging up, and identifying these soldier's remains.
they lie beside a lot of german farm boys that had no choice but to go to war.
Qui sont les personnes qui parlent francais?? Je suis également français, je pratique la détection en France, depuis des années et je regarde assez souvent des videos provenantes souvent de RUSSIE, car je suis passionné par le militaria. Les trouvailles faites la bas, sont incroyables. La zone de combat, et le nombre de belligérants expliquent, les resultats de leurs fouilles, c'est certain!! Mais egalement passionant. Mais est ce qu'il est possible a des français, d'aller participer a ce genre de fouilles en russie???? Merci d'avance!!!!
I’m not 100% sure that these bodies were even buried, everything is just on the ground or directly beneath it.
... Honouring The Dead helps heal the Soul.
I hope the spirits of the fallen soldiers can here the singing and laughter
German : road to rusland
Russian : road? What road?
I do like how thay are respectfull of the dead soldiers thay are not grave diggers digging up bodys for gold or things like that just remember that German soldiers where people to sons fathers husbands brothers fighting for their country just like we where not all of them followed hitter and his ideas so don't give them hate give them the love and respect thay deserve for both sides lost men in ww2 thay deserve respect and honour both for German and English and American soldiers who lost their lives I have a German god father who was a German officer in ww2 and am very proud of him and am not ashamed to admit it or say how proud I am of him
Respect to you guys ! Good on you.
Man I love these videos. You guys do a great service to these men. Did you go for the 2019 season? I've watched all the videos now and hoping for more.
Me too! He popped up in recommended so my guess is an onslaught of activity that is greatly deserved. What an awesome way to give all the people lost in battle an honorable sleeping place.
Thank you for honoring your fallen soldiers. I'm sure their families are truly grateful. Love from America.
Great to see sequel follow up films reuniting some of these dog tags and remains with their intended loved ones!
They speak the international language of caring for their dead.
just goes to show, no matter who you are or where you come from, we are all the same. just proof that war is a stupid thing started by huge egos of politicians and leaders.
My socks are cold and wet, from just watching this!
32:14 what a beautifull poem
My Uncle Karl was killed in Russia, my Grand parents only knew he was buried next or near to the River Don. I don’t even know if he’s in a Military grave or a site like this. He was from Vienna, one of many soldiers of the Wehrmacht. 🍄
In these videos you can see digging right next to the Don river, in the Stalingrad area:
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ua-cam.com/video/SdZjSf-i-4o/v-deo.html
My uncle Josef was pressed into the German Wehrmacht in 1945 at the age of 17 and has been missing since February 1945 in the area of Kaliningrad or West Prussia. Are you also search for missing soldiers in the Kaliningrad Oblast? My family would be greatly indebted to you if you could investigate his fate and we could bed his remains on a German soldier cemetery to the final rest.
CrocodileTear Thankyou for your information 🙂
Only GOD and the earth of Mother Russia KNOW the TRUE number of the fallen!!