Early 90s had a new house with an old fashioned fireplace with a 40 foot chimney. I installed an high speed modern wood insert with dual catalytic converters. No chimney liner and never had smoke backing into the house. When I lit fire, the smoke always went up through the open chimney. Once the catalytic converters got red hot that beast put out BTUs to heat the entire house. It was so warm we had to run a constant humidifier to keep the furniture from cracking. The Insert was so efficient we never had any creosote to build up whatsoever.
Great video and explained well. I am interested in a very similar video, but about pellet stoves instead of wood stoves. I know things are similar, but I believe there are some differences as well.
Thank you for answering my question on why I smell smoke at the end of the evening. I knew about wind and water column but I didn’t think about air pressure. It’s been super cold here and my unlined flue is no match for it.
I’m a certified chimney sweep in Cincinnati. Lots of good stuff here. Totally agree with premise, liners are fully needed and even required in most cases by code. Two things though, creosote won’t eat through stainless steel and the black on the exterior is 99 percent of the time algae not creosote. Just fyi
Definitely get the liner! I would think the insulated liner is better as it keeps the exhaust gases hotter as they leave the chimney which reduces the amount of creosote that can condense from lower temperatures. We have an insulated liner and even after burning 2-3 cords of, maybe not the best wood initially (higher moisture content), we had very little if any buildup with our spring cleaning. Love your videos!
Do I still need a liner if I don't use an insert, just using the fireplace itself, and how about just the duraflame log, they burn cleaner, so I want to know do I still need a liner
Thanks for the video. I have a small wood stove in an alcove in the original fireplace. I’m finishing the alcove out with brick including the top. What ceiling support box do I need to connect single wall pipe below the brick to a flex liner hidden above finished brick?
We have a wood insert, not installed by us, but had the chimney swept today for the first time in a while and was told that the 6 inch pipe from the insert is 3 feet short at the top. There was a pre-fab fireplace prior so there is a liner all the way to the top that is maybe 8". Do we need to have someone extend the 6" pipe all the way to the top? Hopefully I explained this correctly. I have photos as well
Per NFPA 211 you must insulate any stainles steel liner venting solid fuel (wood, pellet etc) if your interior chimney does not have 2" airspace to framing OR if your exterior chimney does not have 1" clearance to framing. It is required by code in most cases considering how unregulated the chimney industry is and how these clearance requirements are often ignored.
Once again, Embers impress the heck out of me! We live in TX and we're pretty much leaning towards Embers for our insert. I'll ask for their assistance on the install, hopefully via video. The local services in our area are just horrible. I believe they will droop ship from MF which shouldn't add too much to the cost. Thank you for this excellent education.
Thanks for the video! Will the wood burning inserts work with a Class A Chimney pipe system installed to code? I currently have a vent less gas fireplace that i want to replace but no brick chimney to add a liner to.
If adding an insulated liner to an old chimney, no crazy creosote build up. I swept it with a 11x11 brush but no doubt some flakes left behind and some minor mortar cracking. Does the new insulated liner completely dissolve the danger of the old creosote that may be left behind catching fire. My guess is the insulated liner would never get hot enough to be any danger.
We bought a home with an Appalachian Stove insert. It works nice when we have electricity, but we lost power for three days with 10-20 degree temps( North Central LA) and I struggled to keep it working. I had a chimney sweep inspect our chimney and recommended we add a liner. She told me a price for several thousand dollars which seemed ridiculous. Is it that expensive to add a liner?
Yeah it can be expensive! Thats why Trev brought up its not them being a sneaky salesman. sure it can work without, but its more safe to add in chimney liner. Chimney liner can run to be a few thousand depending on the run.
Another comment, you're coming out of the stove round, going to rectangle and back to round. What adapters are used for this. I'll have no choice but to do my own install.
It's not breathing through a straw when the door is cracked open, and this should always be done when heating a cold chimney on modern stoves that don't have a large air supply. You will still get smoke in the house when the chimney is cold and with the door shut and with a liner if you do not know what you are doing. But yes it is a little easier with the liner since they heat faster. Did I say with the door closed - yes because most stoves have secondary air openings which cannot be shut off and will leak smoke once the firebox is completely full of smoke (don't ask me how I know).
I have 2 brick chimneys 10in. If i let my fires go out for more then 2days the chimny is cold, but after 3days of fires the bricks stay warm and i have a good draft. I clean my chimneys once a year.
Inserts are NOT sealed! At least they are not supposed to be. They should have a dedicated air supply sourced from large air volume. Sorry, but this is bull. So full of inaccuracies and twisted truth it's hard to believe. The airflow up the chimney depends on the ait input to your fire. Design your fire properly and the problem is not so serious as his makes out.
@@ZaysTitan It depends on the design of the fireplace insert. Mine has a airflow entry at the base of the unit, supplied by a pipe from my 50 cubic metre (500 cubic ft) basement. This supplies a sufficient volume of air for the fire. Alternatively you can have a twin liner in the chimney where airflow in and out both go via the chimney. Lastly, you can have an air supply from the room in which the insert is installed; BUT, this is the most limited and could provide insufficient airflow.
Why are you showing a cheap corrugated aluminum liner in reference to wood stoves? Aluminum does not meet code for solid burning fuels like wood. The material we use which is 2-ply 316-L smooth wall stainless steel costs more than the prices you are quoting?
Leave Chris out of it. Spell it out quick and easy, no more questions, we're not toddlers. Hit the finer points, people cant sit through longwinded explanations. Room for improvement, keep trying!!
yeah no kidding, the longer it goes the more sleazy it sounds. And when they start to make stuff up, a lot of credibility is lost. Most houses operate (or should operate) at postive pressure, not negative. And the submarine analogy is just ridiculous. Lots of petty fear mongering here - all that's needed to say is that it works better with it and you'll save money in the long term.
@@far2twexywe live in a pineapple undar da sea. The whole pineapple is full of water! Where as the submarine.. well boys that submarine is not full of water its full of air and naval seamen.
Early 90s had a new house with an old fashioned fireplace with a 40 foot chimney. I installed an high speed modern wood insert with dual catalytic converters. No chimney liner and never had smoke backing into the house. When I lit fire, the smoke always went up through the open chimney. Once the catalytic converters got red hot that beast put out BTUs to heat the entire house. It was so warm we had to run a constant humidifier to keep the furniture from cracking. The Insert was so efficient we never had any creosote to build up whatsoever.
Great video and explained well. I am interested in a very similar video, but about pellet stoves instead of wood stoves. I know things are similar, but I believe there are some differences as well.
Loved the detailed explanation, answered a lot of my questions about mechanics and safety
Thank you for answering my question on why I smell smoke at the end of the evening. I knew about wind and water column but I didn’t think about air pressure. It’s been super cold here and my unlined flue is no match for it.
I’m a certified chimney sweep in Cincinnati. Lots of good stuff here. Totally agree with premise, liners are fully needed and even required in most cases by code. Two things though, creosote won’t eat through stainless steel and the black on the exterior is 99 percent of the time algae not creosote. Just fyi
We appreciate yout insightful comment. We will have more fireplace and wood stove videos coming soon.
Cincy here too. Looking at wood burning insert. What is cost for this etc. Installed
100% needed and a super easy diy
We agree! Thanks for watching.
This information is important in all aspects 100% agree 'You must have the liner' yes or yes.
Definitely get the liner! I would think the insulated liner is better as it keeps the exhaust gases hotter as they leave the chimney which reduces the amount of creosote that can condense from lower temperatures. We have an insulated liner and even after burning 2-3 cords of, maybe not the best wood initially (higher moisture content), we had very little if any buildup with our spring cleaning. Love your videos!
Very nice! That is great to hear. We should have more fireplace content coming out around the new year. Cheers!
Do I still need a liner if I don't use an insert, just using the fireplace itself, and how about just the duraflame log, they burn cleaner, so I want to know do I still need a liner
no
Thanks for the video. I have a small wood stove in an alcove in the original fireplace. I’m finishing the alcove out with brick including the top. What ceiling support box do I need to connect single wall pipe below the brick to a flex liner hidden above finished brick?
We have a wood insert, not installed by us, but had the chimney swept today for the first time in a while and was told that the 6 inch pipe from the insert is 3 feet short at the top. There was a pre-fab fireplace prior so there is a liner all the way to the top that is maybe 8". Do we need to have someone extend the 6" pipe all the way to the top? Hopefully I explained this correctly. I have photos as well
Does the liner need to be insulated?
depends on the liner you get also you will have to ask an installer
Per NFPA 211 you must insulate any stainles steel liner venting solid fuel (wood, pellet etc) if your interior chimney does not have 2" airspace to framing OR if your exterior chimney does not have 1" clearance to framing. It is required by code in most cases considering how unregulated the chimney industry is and how these clearance requirements are often ignored.
Once again, Embers impress the heck out of me! We live in TX and we're pretty much leaning towards Embers for our insert. I'll ask for their assistance on the install, hopefully via video. The local services in our area are just horrible. I believe they will droop ship from MF which shouldn't add too much to the cost.
Thank you for this excellent education.
We appreciate it! Feel free to give us a call or visit our website Embersliving.com
Thanks for the video! Will the wood burning inserts work with a Class A Chimney pipe system installed to code? I currently have a vent less gas fireplace that i want to replace but no brick chimney to add a liner to.
class a chimney pipe is what you need
If adding an insulated liner to an old chimney, no crazy creosote build up. I swept it with a 11x11 brush but no doubt some flakes left behind and some minor mortar cracking. Does the new insulated liner completely dissolve the danger of the old creosote that may be left behind catching fire. My guess is the insulated liner would never get hot enough to be any danger.
Does this mean that the ambient air pressure outside is always higher than outside?
No, during a tornado the air pressure inside is much higher.
Great information I didn't think about.
Glad we could help!!
We bought a home with an Appalachian Stove insert. It works nice when we have electricity, but we lost power for three days with 10-20 degree temps( North Central LA) and I struggled to keep it working. I had a chimney sweep inspect our chimney and recommended we add a liner. She told me a price for several thousand dollars which seemed ridiculous. Is it that expensive to add a liner?
Yeah it can be expensive! Thats why Trev brought up its not them being a sneaky salesman. sure it can work without, but its more safe to add in chimney liner. Chimney liner can run to be a few thousand depending on the run.
I have a stove with a 6" stove pipe. My chimney is a triple wall 8" stainless steel chimney. Should I put a 6" single wall liner?
fantastic advice. What you said re burning wood and creosote buildup is 100 percent spot on.
Thanks for watching!
Another comment, you're coming out of the stove round, going to rectangle and back to round. What adapters are used for this. I'll have no choice but to do my own install.
It's not breathing through a straw when the door is cracked open, and this should always be done when heating a cold chimney on modern stoves that don't have a large air supply.
You will still get smoke in the house when the chimney is cold and with the door shut and with a liner if you do not know what you are doing. But yes it is a little easier with the liner since they heat faster.
Did I say with the door closed - yes because most stoves have secondary air openings which cannot be shut off and will leak smoke once the firebox is completely full of smoke (don't ask me how I know).
Thank very much
Thanks for watching!
Really enjoyed the stories about little Timmy. Hope he's okay.
Poor Timmy
I have 2 brick chimneys 10in. If i let my fires go out for more then 2days the chimny is cold, but after 3days of fires the bricks stay warm and i have a good draft. I clean my chimneys once a year.
Very nice upkeep is important!
Great information 💞💞...
Thanks for watching!
Hello just starting in the business. Thanks for your knowledge and work. Btw its anyway. You will sound smarter. 💪
Nice
Let’s mention that it’s code to attach a liner. Also the amount of creosote that builds up on top of inserts when they don’t have a liner.
Im just here to find out if I can use a dryer vent instead..they look the same😂
No
Stupid question. What about pellet stoves.
Yeh you can use this for a pellett stove
My husband is a professional installer of wood stoves and gas inserts:.. he uses them everytime!! You must have the liner !!
Nice!
Inserts are NOT sealed! At least they are not supposed to be. They should have a dedicated air supply sourced from large air volume. Sorry, but this is bull. So full of inaccuracies and twisted truth it's hard to believe. The airflow up the chimney depends on the ait input to your fire. Design your fire properly and the problem is not so serious as his makes out.
Interesting. Does that mean there should be another pipe drawing air from outside? Thanks!
@@ZaysTitan It depends on the design of the fireplace insert. Mine has a airflow entry at the base of the unit, supplied by a pipe from my 50 cubic metre (500 cubic ft) basement. This supplies a sufficient volume of air for the fire. Alternatively you can have a twin liner in the chimney where airflow in and out both go via the chimney. Lastly, you can have an air supply from the room in which the insert is installed; BUT, this is the most limited and could provide insufficient airflow.
@@PhilThurston64 this is great info! Thank you!
Why do they ramble on about the submarine and little timmay and Ron burgundy
For a second I thought he said dumber Colorado area. Lol
haha
Why didnt the old timers have all these problems. High tech makes things complicated
I think we have safer procedures now.
Get a liner. If ur using the chimney.
Thanks for watching!
Too long winded couldn’t even watch the whole thing sounds like a sales pitch your trying too hard to convince people
Why are you showing a cheap corrugated aluminum liner in reference to wood stoves? Aluminum does not meet code for solid burning fuels like wood. The material we use which is 2-ply 316-L smooth wall stainless steel costs more than the prices you are quoting?
Shorten your videos and get to the point. Views will increase woohoo!
Leave Chris out of it. Spell it out quick and easy, no more questions, we're not toddlers. Hit the finer points, people cant sit through longwinded explanations. Room for improvement, keep trying!!
Thank you - Chris 🤣😂
People lose interest fast when videographers are rambling. Get to the point and keep the video moving.
yeah no kidding, the longer it goes the more sleazy it sounds. And when they start to make stuff up, a lot of credibility is lost. Most houses operate (or should operate) at postive pressure, not negative. And the submarine analogy is just ridiculous. Lots of petty fear mongering here - all that's needed to say is that it works better with it and you'll save money in the long term.
@@far2twexywe live in a pineapple undar da sea. The whole pineapple is full of water! Where as the submarine.. well boys that submarine is not full of water its full of air and naval seamen.