Toyota bZ4X vs Chevy Bolt EUV | Which Should be Your First EV?
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- Shopping for your first electric car but don't know where to turn? Both the recently refreshed 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EUV and the all-new 2023 Toyota bZ4X are excellent choices...but with a big price discrepancy. I've spent a week with both of them and will help you choose.
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2023 Chevrolet Bolt EUV vs 2023 Toyota bZ4X
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We went with the 2023 Bolt EUV for the price!!
Enjoy!
@@stevehammes had for about 2 months and we are so enjoying it!!
Good call, the Bolt is a fantastic deal!
I’ve had mine for 8 months now. It’s fantastic
@@YouthoughtIwaslying Glad to hear it!
Bolt is an amazing deal.
Could Toyota have picked a worse name?
No ;-)
They could not
They could’ve called it the BZedd4X! Lmao!!
What's the big deal about the name? bZ means beyond Zero. Mercedes has EQ. That's better? It's an alphanumeric name like a lot of other cars. And most of the world will say "b Zed" not "bee zee."
It’s a TERRIBLE name.
52k is a no go when I have a 30k option.
I would say it's a Toyota tho but I don't like the look at all. I think the Bolt looks super sleek, back can use some work but great overall.
I have to agree with you, even though I am a dedicated Toyota owner, and in the past, GM has had serious quality and longevity issues with their vehicles. The BZ4X for $42,000 is too much $$$ for a vehicle that has only a 230 mile range. For the same $42,000, you could get a Rav4 Prime SE, and have most of the benefits of an EV, at least for shorter trips, and the versatility of a regular Hybrid for long road trips, and much better performance in sub-zero winter climate, like if you lived in Minnesota for example.
If the short range of an EV isn't a deterrant, and you don't live somewhere with severe cold winter climate, the Bolt is a way better value than the BZ4X.
@@laura-ann.0726
In Miami you don't get the BZ4X for less 50 k ...and I got my Bolt for 29 last January 🙂
I have a 2021 Bolt. Bought i new in May of 2022. After $5k rebate a few months later from GM my top trim Bolt was $27K. That alone sets the Bolt apart from the nearest competitor.
Very good comparison review. One thing to note that wasn't mentioned, is that the $14,000 lower MSRP of the Bolt means that the sales tax you pay on purchase is $1,100 dollars less than the sales tax on the BZ4X (in California), and for the first 7 or 8 years of ownership, the annual DMV "use tax" (or licensing fee) on the Bolt would be about $175 less than for the BZ4X (after about 8 years, all cars reach some minimum DMV fee level, of about $200/year, that never gets any less). The free included installation of a home Level 2 charger with the Bolt is worth somewhere between $600 and $1000, which is what you would have to pay to have an electrician do this if you bought a BZ4X.
Another item not mentioned in the video: battery pre-conditioning. This typically takes the form of an electrical heating grid in the battery tray, to warm the battery cells before starting a charging session. In extreme cold weather, pre-conditioning can mean the difference between the car accepting a fast charge at 50 to 100 kilowatts, or being forced to slow charge at 6 kilowatts on an L2 charger. The BZ4X has a pre-conditioning heater, the Bolt does not. This should definitely be taken into account by anyone who lives anywhere with extended periods of winter temps below 32°F, especially if they don't have a garage and have to park the vehicle outside. Any EV without a battery pre-conditioning heater will suffer from both substantial loss of range, and very slow charging speeds in below-freezing winter weather.
I took the BZ4 out for test drive , too much$$ , bolt euv I had way more leg room , just had issues with the bolt auto pilot , and cruise control wasn’t available when it was snowing but then the Bz4 was sane issues on dry day lane assist was not really working. So you are in California I’m considering moving so tax in San dieago 7.75 Vs NY 8% plus NY I’d get 2k off state , if I move to Cali I have to pay the difference in tax if it’s within a year. If I buy the Rivian R1S ionly get $500 of state but that truck is 80 k lol
Great info, thank you!
How is explained really crawl speed of charging above 50% in DC then In BZX?
@@nevco8774 - All lithium ion batteries behave this way, whether they are in a cell phone or your EV. As the battery gets above about 75% of maximum charge, the battery management software slows the rate of charge to prevent damage to the battery from excessive heating. In my Prius Prime, battery charging goes like this:
from 14% SOC (the minimum) to 75% SOC, the charge rate is 3,000 watts. From 75% to 80%, the charge rate drops to 1500 watts, and from 80% to 84% (the maximum), charge rate drops to 600 watts. The Prius Prime doesn't support Level 3 (DC Fast Charging), only L1 and L2. But all EV batteries experience a big drop in charge rate above 3/4 of whatever the "full charge" is. That's why you can get an 80% charge in a Tesla in 30 minutes, but to stuff that last 20% to get to "full" charge, takes another 30 to 45 minutes.
@@laura-ann.0726 Yet Hyundai Ioniq 5, Lucid Air, Kia EV6, Hummer EV, Tesla Plaid, Porsche Taycan and others have shown to the world that with proper voltage and technology things can turn to the much better way than that medieval technology from Toyota...
Had a '19 Bolt for 4 yrs, just move to '23 EUV Premier with Sun\Sound package. It feels huge just sitting inside the cabin and rides so nice. Not a fool, I enjoy driving and the electric cars are much more fun to drive. You can only use Super Cruise on some highways, I can always put on the adaptive cruise control.
If I may ask, how much is your out the door price?
Sorry boss.. cuestion ... More or less how much is the charge in public chargers?
My Bolt EUV Lt gets built this week, as to me it's the best EV deal available. I'll be charging mostly from home, an my commute is 30-miles each way, so the slower charging and range aren't a problem for my use. I didn't want the premier, and there's no lidar mapping where I live, so super cruise wasn't even a thought. One big advantage to the Bolt is that it's actually available.
You have the perfect use case for the Bolt. The value goes way down in higher trims, IMO.
Charging at home is generally way less expensive than fast charging, too, so you are doing it the smart way. Where I live in California, residential electric service for EV charging is 9.5¢/kw-hr between midnight and 06:00am, compared to 43¢/kw-hr for Electrify America, EV-Go and ChargePoint charge by the minute (35¢/minute for EV-Go) rather than by the kilowatt hour, so the price you pay for a charge depends on how fast your car battery can absorb charge. In other words, on very cold days when charging is generally slower, EV-GO will cost more per mile of range added, than it will in warm weather. The by-the-minute chargers typically end up costing about 40¢/kw-hr, about the same as Electrify America. If you can charge at home with a 240 volt L2 charger, it's way, WAY less expensive than fast charging, and your car's battery will last longer, too.
The lt2 version of the bolt euv which is almost 32k is best value. You get heated cooled seats. Leather seats and other safety tech that 60k cars offer.
I _really_ like the Bolt! I think it's a great 'little' commuter car. It's a shame it never make it to AUS.
Agreed!
If I recall, the MG ZS EV made it to Australia, and it's a worthy competitor. It didn't make it to the US, which is sad because if it did we'd have more competition in the mainstream EV market here which currently only has two models - the Bolt and the Nissan Leaf
Totally agree! I had 2020 bolt EV and it’s a gem!! I bough model Y and my wife says that she still want to drive bolt 😂
Thanks for this comparison Steve. Well done again! BTW here in Murphy TX (Dallas suburb) we have a EVGO location with 2 150kw and 2 350kw chargers. I guess we are lucky!
That’s funny, Greg. They just installed a 350 kW charger not too far from here so I guess that’s finally changing.
I like the winter review of these EV's, as I'm sitting here in Montreal on Feb9 and it's snowing and slushy outside.
Price wise they aren't even competing products. I love Toyota as a brand but the Bolt wins hands down if you don't need AWD.
A sport AWD bolt would be so sweet.
Can be difficult to get either Bolt. When the Equinox EV shows up it might be easier. I'd go with a Bolt EV and pocket the savings over the EUV.
No, EUV is very much worth the money. The EV will not sell as well as EUV in my opinion.
@@earthling_parth the Bolt already has good rear legroom. I don’t like the higher price for less trunk
@@earthling_parth True the EUV would be better for resale. You would have to make up a $1300 difference (1LT vs LT).
The Equinox will have the Ultium battery, which is a better battery technology than the older technology of the Bolt's battery.
The bolt euv is the better buy and is proven and tested for years!
Have really become a big fan of your channel and reviews. Well presented--all the information I am interested in receiving and the back and forth comparisons between the 2 vehicles is seamless--another great job, Steve! Question: we all hear about range loss in cold weather conditions with EVs--did that seem to be an issue with either car during your testing?
Thank you! And yes; the REALLY cold temps drop the driving range by as much as 40%. It wasn't THAT cold this week but each vehicle's range declined.
Thanks you for this channel. I have watch you for years. You are one of the reason pay for UA-cam. Thanks again.
Wow, thank you!
Steve, What a detailed and balanced comparison! Speaking of details, after watching several Bolt reviews recently I note you are the only person to inform viewers about the torsion beam rear suspension. On the broken pavement upon which I routinely drive, those rapidly become 'torture beam' rear suspensions so I am grateful for the awareness. 😁
As always, great review.
I appreciate that
I picked up my Bolt EUV last August 1st. I went with the fully loaded Premier Trim ~ Redline Package. I looove supercruise!
It was 40k. However, -7,500 for federal, -2,000 for NYS - 1,000 step dad’s discount. I paid under 30k for a brand new vehicle let alone it being a really nice featured EV.
I have driven it 10,000 miles in 6.5 months. The vehicle drives amazing. I’ve taken it to one EV car show and have it registered for another.
I was able to survive off of a 110v outlet for 2.5 months until Chevy paid 1,000 for a level 2 charger installation. I paid 300 more, additionally. I got about 4 miles of range per hour on the 110v outlet. I did not ever try this in the winter to see if it affected the charge rate as I didn’t need to, having the level 2.
I drive 50 miles daily. Having the level 2 charger, I gain about 32 miles of range per hour. Although this vehicle is slow on level 3 charging stations, it is worth noting, it is one of the more efficient in terms of charging on a level 2 station.
You do lose about 60 miles of range in the winter. Again, I live in Western NY. Where our average temperature is around 30 in the months of January through February, not uncommon to be much lower than that. We had several days in the teens & single digits here. I never seen a difference in my charge rate at home, as it only takes a couple hours to get 50 miles back.
I also put less efficient, however, amazing handling winter tires on my Bolt, which is also a variable in that 60 mile range reduction. The Bolt handles better than my 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 4X4 did in the winter.
My electric bill went up about 60 a month. Compared to spending 80-100 per week in the Jeep. Think of that savings per month. Plus no oil changes every three months (100 bucks).
Yeah I loooooooove my Bolt EUV!
Steve got the best professional reviews in the business.. I can't get enough of your videos
Wow, thanks!
For the price of the Toyota, just buy a Tesla model 3. You'll get the federal tax credit and Tesla cash get you one in weeks. I've been waiting over six months for GM to fulfill my bolt EUV order, but for the lower price, the Bolt is still better than the bz4x
Or the Model Y. They just lowered the price to get the tax credit
I have a bolt and I absolutely love it!
I got the BZ4X Limited FWD in December. It's my first EV ever and I really enjoy it so far. It's so smooth and quiet compared to the Toyotas I drove before. The acceleration is very responsive and smooth as well. It feels a lot more than 200 hp and more than plenty for me. I think this car should have a Lexus badge instead. The only things missing are memory seats and mirrors. In the past, I always wanted to own a Lexus. However, the BZ4X and my wife's 2021 Venza XLE are so good now that I'm satisfied for now. I might own a Lexus someday.
I did look at other EVs in the small SUV category but excluded them for the following reasons:
Tesla Model Y (Test drove friend's car around the block): Too expensive (before the big price drop), no front instrument cluster (have to look down and to the right to see speedometer on infotainment screen), poor rear visibility, side mirrors too small, steering controls too confusing to use (needed constant mentorship and will need to memorize what they do), no physical controls for many car features (everything in infotainment system), very unnatural and tiring to drive (need to hold down accelerator to maintain speed otherwise car stops abruptly, car doesn't coast at all not even in reverse on driveway sloping backward), no 360 cameras, no ultrasonic sensors, no rear cross traffic warning, no retractable sunshade for moonroof.
ID.4: Weird controls especially for the power windows. Pro S trim for similar features even more expensive than BZ4X Limited trim.
Ford Mach E: Too expensive with dealership markups, too hard to find, no driver seat cushion thigh adjustment
Ioniq 5 / EV 6: Poor past dealership experience with Hyundai / Kia, dealership markups
Polestar 2 (Sat inside at mall display): Too narrow and too small (Arms keep hitting the driver door when pretending to steer). Poor value.
Bolt EUV: Too small and narrow. It doesn't look safe to drive on the highway.
This is not to say that the other EVs are completely bad. It's just that I don't feel they fit me. I have been driving Toyotas my whole life, so that might skew my viewpoint. I know the Tesla cars are popular and are known for their charging network. Coincidently, my friend got the Model Y a month before the big price drop and it's his first EV too. So we are both figuring out our new EVs.
Great review and just subscribed. One thing that is my only real gripe is how you described charging times 10:47. Yes, It would take you a couple of days to charge a completely dead battery from a standard North American wall outlet. But if you’re charging up from your trip to the grocery store or your local errands. Your car could easily be recharged to full overnight. The BZ4X has a 120volt charging rate for about 4 miles an hour. So if your trip to the store and back was 20 miles your car would be back to full in 5 hours with the existing plug in your garage.
For anyone who has a 220 volt electric dryer outlet in their garage, a far better option for EV charging at home is a portable L2 charger. They are not expensive, $199 for a 15 amp (3000 watt) model, $299 for a 30 amp (6000 watt) model. You buy whichever one matches the capacity of the on-board L2 charger in your EV. My Prius Prime only supports 3000 watt charging, so I was able to go with the cheaper $199 model, and it has worked flawlessly for 3-1/2 years. My laundry dryer is a gas model, so the electric dryer outlet was unused and available.
Your Bolt didn’t have the Bose sound system? My 2022 EUV Premier has it and it’s awesome!
Good comparison review
Glad you enjoyed it
EVGO is also very slow 50 kW rates in Arizona. And only 1 charger at each of the few locations. Same as you noted.
Or you can go with any Chevy Bolt or EUV with adaptive cruise, and install a Comma AI 3 for $1499 for Auto pilot.
As you said, the Bolt is the choice for EV shoppers on a budget. The BZ4x is for shoppers who might otherwise buy a Lexus. Most people wouldn’t cross shop the two just like a man who usually shops for suits at Brooks Brothers wouldn’t shop for a bargain suit at JCPenneys. Different strokes for different folks.
Nah they both drive the same , bolt has more leg room
@@mpatt32right? I feel insane after watching this review and reading there comments lmao. I have a Bolt TV and Toyota wants over 15k more for THAT?
The infotainment was noticeably lagging in the demo in the video smh. Bolt's is silky smooth.
'Made in Japan" Toyota will last forever with the Panasonic batteries. You pay for Quality, durability and craftsmanship.
They spent 4 months trying to figure out why the front wheels were in danger of falling off.
My trike bz3xyz goes super fast around the right-hand corners! I haven't tried any corners going the opposite way.
All very interesting. I think I'll wait for the Bolts redesign that will surely bring faster charging and hopefully the latest battery technology.
Thank you!
You bet!
How long do get to use blue cruise for before service ends and have to pay for service
If one has to pay over MSRP, neither. In seeing Tesla just drop pricing on some models by as much as 20% and can still make a profit, it just shows how big the profit margins are on EVs. EVs are becoming the new pickup trucks in the US.
Greetings from southern Ontario Canada I really enjoyed the video and I have put down a deposit for the chevy blazer ev 2LT and in Ontario we get $5000 back in the ev rebate from the dealership thanks
Very cool!
Depends on whether or not you want your front wheels to fall off and if you value having a glove box. Toyota reliability doesn't matter now that they are manufacturing a completely different type of vehicle. You'd be better off in a bolt just because it's been made for years and a lot of the issues have been addressed in the newest version.
Kudos to Chevy for making evs more accessible to everyone and not just a toy for the well-off. That said, my money would be on the Toyota. Glad to hear you talk about how comfortable and supportive the seats are. Great comparison and awesome driving footage, as always!.
Thanks, Ken! New kind of video for me so it was fun to make.
Bought a Bolt EV in July and couldn't be happier. With the driving I do I would reckon I've saved $1,500 in fuel cost if not more. I bought it right after Chevy dropped the price and made getting an EV realistic for me. I'm really happy I could buy an EV and not break the bank.
@@benjones621 Thinking of trading in my Kona N for one, it's such a good value and design.
I don’t know what radiant leg warmers are, but now I can’t stop thinking of “Let’s Get Physical!”
Super Cruise FTW, especially because I can’t even look at that Toyota (When you said it could pass for a Lexus, you must have also meant in terms of ugliness 😂).
This comparo was very cool. Thank you for taking advantage of the opportunity to do it. You should do them each week regardless of what the cars are: Tahoe vs. Corolla?!
Ha! I was thinking that; just make a comparo out of anything that arrives.
The radient leg warmer is a rectangular patch under the glove box door on the passenger side that is electrically heated, and directs radient heat down into the front passenger footwell. Along with heated seats, the radient leg warmer is supposed to make the car more comfortable to ride in in very cold weather, without having to warm the whole cabin, which takes a lot more energy and is a much larger hit on driving range. I'm not sure if the driver's side has this...I think it's just the passenger side.
Miss information on EVgo; they are 100KW, 200KW, 350KW and some are 50KW.
Good luck getting MSRP on the Bolt, high dealership markup January 2023
Chevy allows custom order, does that help avoid dealer markup?
I bought mine at MSRP last August and with preferred pricing, got it for 2K under MSRP.
Chevy bolt is the best deal ev. But if you must spend 50k for awd; tesla model Y is a much better option than Toyota kia Hyundai, especially with tax credit. Tesla has brand image. Toyotas venture with subaru so I doubt the reliability will be same as the average camry.
This has last generation of Super Cruise, which means no automatic lane changing, like the Escalade, Sierra, Hummer EV and newer GM products.
Not everyone needs Supercruise. Plenty of reasons to not get it.
If you rarely or never drive on one the highways mapped for Supercruise because you bought the Bolt to most run around town.
You plan to keep the vehicle long term and don’t want to pay the subscription fees after the free trial runs out.
You don’t want to pay the massive repair costs when it starts going bad out of warranty.
Or if you’re afraid of technology.
How far was the BC for X able to achieve on a single charge in your testing?
In temps generally hovering around 30 degrees I was getting in the 190s on a full charge.
I have a 2023 silver flare metallic premier EUV fully optioned reserved for an early March delivery. The Toyota is nice, but the Bolt will be our second car and I’m unwilling to spend the $$ on anything else. Plus, it can be towed behind our RV with the front wheels up on a dolly. Bonus.
I had a 2020 Bolt, was a great EV but it's biggest downfall is the fast charging 55kw. If they could bring it up to 100 or more this would be my first pick in the future. But for now I'll pass. Still a good choice and bang for your buck.
For people that can charge at home, fast charging may be something they rarely even need, so the 55 kw DC speed may not be an issue for them. It wouldn't be for me. Fast charging is so expensive compared to home charging - 43¢/kw-hr at Electrify America vs. 10¢/kw-hr at home - that I would never use an EA fast charger except in a dire emergency.
@@laura-ann.0726 depends on the distance needed to travel. At some point you will need to fast charge if you have to drive a long distance. And sitting for an he waiting to get to 80% which I have done takes a toll on your patient’s.
They are afraid of the cars setting on fire again
@@laura-ann.0726 You can lower the EA charging rate to 31¢/kw-hr by subscribing $4/month to obtain the premium rate. If you do plenty of highway driving, it is worth it. But yes, if you don't charge on the highway, then you won't notice the fast charging. That's why I'm excited at the upcoming Equinox EV that promises to increase the level 2 charging speed for the top trim up to 19kw (30 miles/hr). I anticipate that will have a much greater effect.
@@hermanwooster8944 - I'm eager to see what the new Equinox EV will look like next to the Bolt. From it's photos, it looks like it has more cargo capacity than the Bolt. Not like mini-van capacity, but certainly more than you get with a Bolt or Nissan Leaf. 300 mile range in the 2WD model, which is 40 more than the Bolt, about $3,000 more than the Bolt, but the 40 extra miles of range means a larger battery, and the battery is the most expensive component of any EV.
19 kilowatts for Level 2 charging in the new Equinox? That means 80 amps at 240 volts. I don't know how you would accomplish this in a regular home. The highest capacity single power circuit I've ever heard of in 240 volt residential service is 50 amps (12 kW). Some cooking stoves can use almost that much, if you have all the burners and the oven going full-blast. Some older all-electric subdivisions in my city, that were built in the early '70's, don't have natural gas service, and use resistance heating; these can burn 10 kW. I lived in an all-electric house once, back in the late '80's, and hated it: in winter, running the heater was insanely expensive - we had $400/month electric bills, and this is in central California, where it rarely gets colder than the mid-30's. Most of those homes have probably since been converted to heat-pump heating. The a/c compressor in my house uses 17 amps (4,080 watts). The master circuit breaker in my house panel is 100 amps, so a 19 kilowatt L2 charger would take 80% of the entire capacity of my home's electrical service. Maybe newer homes are being built with 200-amp service to accommodate EV charging?
As for the Equinox, it's supposed to arrive in showrooms in September, I'd love to test drive one. The Bolt is getting excellent reviews, and the Equinox is likely to be even better. It has the Ultium battery, but I see one downside to both the Blazer and Equinox: they are both being built in Mexico, which means no Federal $7500 tax credit like the Bolt has.
Regular Bolts you can get for $18k-$19k now after rebate. I paid $16k for my 2017 Bolt EV with 35k miles, and it's the best car I ever owned.
What are some other vehicles (gas or ev) that the bolt similarly compares to with interior space?
Kona, Leaf, CH-R, Kicks
@@stevehammesEV or EUV? The EUV is one of the largest EVs on the market, in terms of cabin space. Not so much in trunk space though.
Massive difference in cost between these two. Bolt wins hands down.... and you can actually buy one off the lot.
As a hardcore Toyota enthusiast. I like the looks and overall styling of the Chevy way more.
Agree wholeheartedly.
one big thing is reliability and resale, which the toyota typically mountains over the chevy, also the base FWD BZ4X in canada cost $35,000 USD, so I had to put a deposit down lol
You can definitely identify an EV driving down the road, just look for that tv screen slapped on top of the dash. At least the Bolts screen is more integrated with the dash.
Great comparison. The bZ4X is not quicker than the Bolt. The Bolt EUV's 0-60mph is 6.8 sec, while the bZ4X is only 7.7 sec.
Motor Trend got a 5.8 second time from the BZ4X. Car and Driver got 6.4 seconds. Don't know where you see 7.7.
@@dchristo10 Thanks for catching that. I searched again and saw the correct numbers. I am not above eating crow.
i have the same color limited bz4x but it should be compared to similar price evs with kia hyundai and vw,,,otherwise bolt makes more sense if its 20k less
Piano black everywhere ≠ sophistication.
Got the bolt euv and the price difference put a solar system on the house. now i really save $$$
I almost bought a bolt euv but this was in the time of markups and honestly the prices at the time + the cheap feel was a major no for me. Also 50kwh fast charging is a bit of a deal breaker as I don’t have home charging right now :/ (
If you don't have home charging, you are probably well advised to avoid an EV. Public DC chargers cost about 3 times more per kilowatt-hour than home charging, depending on where you live. And always using DC fast charging isn't good for the long-term life of an EV battery. If you are always charging at Electrify America or EV-Go, stations, at 40¢/kw-hour, a 55 mpg Toyota Prius running on $4.00/gallon regular gas, is not going to cost significantly more than a Chevy Bolt running on 40¢/kw-hr electricity.
Does anyone one know where the Bolt is assembled? What country?
USA
That steering wheel on the bz4x reminds me of a 2000 Hyundai’s Accent. That style was ugly then, and they’ve managed to make it even more uglier now. Along with that whole driver gauge cluster setup.
Now that Tesla has slashed it's prices there will be plenty of both of these available.!!
ngl, bolt euv is the winner, but just make sure you got a premier model, you will be happier than having the base model
The white with black and red accents is fire. Very nice looking car and seems to offer lots for the price.
I'm glad I was wrong about what I heard. So 222mi range for the 'Yota?
Is that Toyota being conservative?
Like they say it will do it and it actually does it?
I think he said 222
He did say 222.
I really wish Toyota would have just made an EV version of top selling budget car Camery, I bet they could have made it with a longer range.
The only thing Toyota seemed to get right was the design. To me the bolt is the obvious choose for the price and options you get. I only wish it came with the ultium batteries, but of course that’d also raise the price.
It's not that. BOLT is a different platform and an older one. No point modifying it, when it's probably going away I a year or 2.
BZ4X? Why not IXVTK5G25S?
why do all reviews don't say this? This is NOT just a 2200$ options (the supercruise) because it's only for the first 3 years. Then you need to have a subscription. If only 2200$, I would say it's worth it, but having to pay after 3 years is a NO in my books. Not worth 2200$ for pivot 3 years of something extra.
Only good for those who would be often on those highways under the supercruise.
Needs range and better DCFC rate
Tesla Model 3 especially since Tesla slashed their pricing a few days ago
Tesla can go pound sand IMO. Not only do they have real and widespread build quality problem, customer service is a lackluster dumpster fire and the CEO is an egotistical prick. Toyota seems to have a problem with an all EV direction but they have a strong decades wide built brand of excellence. Chevy has it's issues but the bolt is a fantastic offering.
I’m just going to convert my Toyota Camry to an EV for less than $10k.
i will happily take ioniq 5 over toyota bz4x with at least 50 more features
And a lot more range. Toyota is smoking something.
Not only Toyota BZX is sold exclusively in 12 ZEV states but one has to stay in line for months before eventually will get the chance to buy this unobtanium. BZX is not an EUV competitor but rather a one to the upcoming Equinox EV. The leg room in the rear in Chevy Bolt BUV is the best in the business. Both charge slowly on DC but BZX start slowing down from 50% to an absolute disastrous crawl making EUV charging speed after 50% “acceptable”. One can certainly say that Bolt is a poor choice for a road tripper while BZX is just a disaster on a road trip.
Bolt EUV has the best in class 11 kW internal AC charging making it a winner in home charging for a commuter. Meantime Toyota BZX just borrowed an AC internal 240 V charger from the supply chain of Chrysler Pacifica PHEV of 6.6 kW making home charging annoyingly slow to say at least.
As a commuter one can use Bolt to do errands, come home, top up the battery quickly, return for some more errands while BZX can be topped up mostly once in 24 hours - overnight.
What is good BZX for if no road trips or errands can be easily done in that car? One answer will be to be a compliance car for California and China where “self charging” HEV technology is not enough for the company the governments to let it out of hook for poor emissions. Yet the car has awesome quality for one driving around in a retiree community and enjoying it.
Is the BZ4X driving position as cramped as it looks? I sat in one and it felt cramped and it looks tight from your top down driving video. The charge rate is, well, pathetic for a $52k car. And no tax credit in the US (I presume) means its now more expensive than a Model Y which has substantially more range plus access to the SC network.
Pity the Bolt EV was never really sold in Europe, up to 2 or 3 years ago it would have been a massive seller.
Joe the Bolt is the Opel Ampera-e in Europe
@@brendykes1202 Thanks for some reason i thought they had stopped selling it i recall them cancelling a lot of orders in Norway just after launch but maybe they restarted?
@@Joe-lb8qn it was part of the battery recall, so was off market for that. IDK if they are currently available.
If the Toyota is gonna cost 10 to 20000 more than a bolt it needs more miles on a charge.
We bought a Bolt EUV Premiere in July 2022. The wife commutes 80 miles per day - so we've amassed 11,000 miles in 6 months. The advice I'd give anyone looking at a current day EV is this: First, EVs are NOT road trip vehicles (yet). By the time you pay the premium (and inconvenience) for fast DC charging and deal with range anxiety, what's the point? Just buy a much more affordable ICE or hybrid car! Secondly, if you have no HOME BASED 240 volt level-2 charge station - you're complicating your life. Again... stick with ICE or a hybrid. Having that level-2 charger at home is like having a "gasoline pump in your garage"!
We bought the Bolt SPECIFICALLY for it's fuel efficiency. We were looking to replace the wife's existing 2018 RAV4, and the Bolt fit right into the price niche we were looking. So far, summer driving on electric is costing us about 5¢ per mile... about 9¢ per mile in winter CHARGING AT HOME. The RAV4 was costing between 11¢ and 12¢ per mile with $3.36 gasoline. So fuel cost was cut significantly... AND no oil changes or other ICE related maintenance. However, EV tires will wear significantly faster with the added weight.
Bottom line... EVs are EXCELLENT commuter "charge at home" cars. I would strongly recommend a hybrid if you road trip, OR don't have access to home overnight level-2 charging. If the Bolt (or any EV) will be your ONLY car... plan carefully.
Or buy the Hyundai and Kia products or go with the Tesla. I could have told you the Bolt is a regional car. Been driving mines since before EA and EVGo fast chargers on the interstates
Bz is like the rav 4 and fwd is joke. Shouldn’t cost more than 30k. 35k for the one in test drive. Bolt is better although it should cost 29k max
Toyota for me
Model Y price drops down lowers then the Toyota.
I hate "center consoles". They are a waste of valuable legroom (except on a stickshift - and how likely is that these days?) that I would rather have for my foot/leg to stretch out into or even slide across through to exit the other side when necessary, so the smaller the better. On trips my legs get sore from riding pressed up against the console/door. Cant do anything about the door (well, except in a Jeep). Thats why I bought the Volt over the Clarity despite being a Honda fan, Honda had an enormous yet pointless flying-buttress-on-its-side where my throttle leg needed to be.
Bolt is better and better looking interior
I owned the AWD limited. The charging is horrible. I only get 43kw max at a dc faster charger capable of 150kw
The maximum charge rate for a DC connection is 100 kW.
@@stevehammes yes but the Toyota car only charges at 43kw max. Which is not close to the stated 100kw
Would not trust Chevy to make a bucket
Toyota wins but for the price Chevy Bolt EUV laps it. Bolt has a $7500 tax credit in 2023.
The interior on the Toyota is horrible with the steering wheel and the gauges, the Bolt EUV is actually a really good electric car.
The Ford Mach-E is a more tempting option at the Toyota’s price point.
Mach E is a nice ride, some people weren't happy with it when it came out but actual owners seem to really like it with some exceptions.
I was so disappointed with Toyota’s EV. The exterior looks fine, hate the “cockpit” interior, and don’t get me started on the name. The range is not good at all. I expected more from them since they’ve been in the hybrid industry since the 90’s. The tipping point on this car is the price and the fact that it can’t fast charge faster than 100kw. That’s truly awful
I had to listen at 12:00 to make sure I heard you right - you gave out blatant misinformation about the Bolt. GM got the $7,500 tax credit BACK for 2023 deliveries. At least until the IRS releases new guidance by the end of March. Anyone who’s taken delivery of a Bolt since January 1st gets up to the full tax credit.
And Toyota didn’t lose theirs January 1st, they lost it August 16, 2022 - the date the IRA bill was signed - because the BZ4X isn’t built in North America.
You did not mention the extremely slow charge curve of the BZ4X AWD, making it one of the slowest “fast” charging EVs available today. If you did a DCFC test, you should have mentioned that. We know the Bolt charges slow, but for the Toyota money it shouldn’t be dead last.
Wow! You should do your own review of this car. You’re very good.
Ok, the Bolt is superior to Toyota's attempt to make an electric car. Both off these are so hard to find, but the Toyota is so rare the only ones i will see is likely to be on UA-cam reviews
I would rather get the Tesla model 3 or model Y over these two vehicles.
I don't care for Teslas myself. I like the ride and comfort and build quality of Toyotas. I'd wait until Toyota gives a 2.0 version of the bZ because fundamentally, it's a pretty refined car. They need to lose the gloss black crap inside, though.
Unless you've tested the charging speed of the BZ4x, you shouldn't rely on paper specs. Yes, Bolt charges slower, but I've read that the BZ4x charging speed is far below paper data for much of the charging curve and excruciating slow above 80% SoC (worse than early software in Mach E). BZ4x will probably be near impossible to get because Toyota says nobody wants to buy EVs, and thus it is severely limiting production. When they make a car that was state of the art about 5 years ago, it is not surprising demand for this thing is slim, so Toyota has a self-fulfilling prophecy on its hands. I am also very worried about the reliability of the BZ4X.While Toyota is generally known for high reliability, when it took 3 months to figure out how to prevent the wheels from falling off, this shows quality was not engineered into the car nor was the A team put on the job to figure out how to fix a problem for a part that has been around for almost 150 years. If Toyota has trouble understanding wheel fasteners, I am very concerned about how well it understands DC Fast charging, regenerative braking, on board chargers, inverters, high voltage cabling, etc. I would stay far away from the BZ4x, even given the Bolt's history of battery fires (no longer an issue in new Bolts).
Of course, I tested the charging speeds of both cars, at both 150 kW chargers and my own 240V charger. Toyota’s and Chevy’s specs were spot on in regards to charging times.
And you do realize the Bolt EUV was pulled off the market for a year, right? So they’ve both experienced hiccups in their launches. I wouldn’t read too much into either at this point.
Toyota didn't say nobody wants to buy BEVs. In fact, there are a good amount of BEVs in the works at Toyota and Lexus says they're going full EV by 2030. So this comment doesn't make much sense. What Toyota has said is that they don't think BEVs should be the only option forward toward carbon neutrality. Right now, it cost too much to make BEVs so it makes sense to a degree that Toyota isn't making a lot of them. They're benchmarking Tesla to see how to make them less expensive and will announce plans sometime this or next month on how they're moving forward with BEV production.
@@benjaminsmith2287
Toyota says no demand for BEVs.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Toyota also halted all work on BEV development. Toyota has sold as many FCEVs over 10 years as the industry sells BEVs in a week, so carbon neutrality without BEVs is BS. Toyota is against BEVs now and forever. I am looking forward to seeing their car lineup on 2030, with one or two BEVs, probably 10 years behind everyone else.
@@barryw9473 What are you talking about? They haven't. They just announced a few weeks ago that they will have 6 BEVs in Europe by 2026. There are spy photos of a Toyota bZ EV type of car testing that came out a few days ago. Your information is not correct.
I'd rather save up and get an Aptera, assuming it ever makes it to the mass market. On paper, that thing utterly embarrasses every other EV currently in production. Hopefully more people will realize that fact after it launches.
Bolt EUV is definitely 0-60 in less than 7 seconds. More like 4 seconds
Ha!! No.
@@stevehammes I literally have a Bolt EUV. I know what I’m talking about. After sitting all night yes maybe the car will do it in 7 second. And that’s without sport mode. But after driving for 2 hours it will do it in 4 seconds or less. The longer in use the more efficient it is. Electric cars don’t function as like normal vehicles
@@stevehammes This man believes his Bolt is in the same class as a BMW M2 lol Jesus.
@@YouthoughtIwaslying how about you race a Tesla Model Y Long Range (4.8 seconds) and let us know how that “4 second” time works out for you.
@@Hogtown1986 i have, and like i said after 2 hours of driving I kept up the same acceleration as it. I’m not saying it’s 100% consistent. Not all electric cars function the same.
Wow, now even Toyota has a true EV. So, the owner of a Toyota can sweat and worry about running out of electricity now! I'm a bit jealous here. I only have the Hybrid and the Prime Prius vehicles and can never experience that wonderful gnawing worry of running out of juice.
What happens when you run out of gas?
Does it give you anxiety?
@Steve Hammes New Car Reviews The last time I ran out of gas was in 1968 driving an old VW that didn't have a gas gauge. If I ever run out again, I'll push my light, little car, the two blocks to a gas station!
The tax credit for GM are back
50Kwh intake for the Bolt EV is just ridiculous. No EV car when trying to gain more adoption should be no less than 150Kwh charging intake.
Toyota or Chevy?
This shouldn't even be a question.
Or a Model Y
I thought Toyota stopped selling bz4x.
Briefly.
@@stevehammes Toyota issued the recall, stop sale, and told owners to stop driving them in June 2022. They went back on sale in November. Five months is not briefly.
@@Hogtown1986 Beats the Bolt EUV's one year hiatus.
@@stevehammes just take the L bud and do some basic Googling before your next EV video.
@@Hogtown1986 You seem like a douche so I'll correct you. The confusion lies with the timeframe. When this video was produced in December 2022 there was no new Chevrolet EV or PHEV that met the criteria for a federal tax credit because the MANUFACTURER SALES CAP HAD BEEN MET. This applied to vehicles purchased AND placed into service on or after August 17, 2022 and before January 1, 2023. The $7,500 credit was reestablished for the 2022 and 2023 Bolt EUV for purchases made in 2023 or after.
No tax credit for Toyota….thats an issue. Went to two dealerships and they not selling like hotcakes.