Craig Goldy on the Dio VS Vivian Campbell Money Feud, "It was his turn to make the lion's share"
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- Опубліковано 29 кві 2022
- This is a full in bloom interview w/ guitarist Craig Goldy.
Craig talks about the feud between Ronnie James Dio and Vivian Campbell, and the deal that was made between Dio, Vivian, Jimmy Bain, and Vinny Appice. Craig also offers some great insight into songwriting/publishing and how his deal with Dio and David Lee Roth worked.
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Craig Goldy's Official UA-cam Channel (under Thomas Goldy):
/ tcraiggoldy
Vivian Campbell's Comments About His Money Feud w/ Ronnie James Dio:
• Vivian Campbell on Dio...
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Outro by FOOL OF FATE
#dio #blacksabbath #ozzy #ritchieblackmore #ronniejamesdio #tonyiommi #deeppurple #jakeelee #viviancampbell
MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE RESPECT for Craig after this interview. I bet he is just one of the coolest guys you can sit down and have a beer with.
Agreed! To give up a chance to tour supporting the music you helped write, so you can be at home to take care of, and raise your child is what being a "real" man is all about IMHO. Similar to what a bassist friend of mine did. He had the opportunity to tour with BB King when he was younger, but chose to stay home to help raise his children. He did eventually tour with Albert King, and other famous blues musicians, but it was after his kids were grown.
Vivian’s contribution of those epic solos on Holy Diver are easily worth 40% Each one was stellar!
that is not how songwriting works
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle we know
According to Vivian, they had a deal and Dio didnt honor it. And if you get writing credits, you are supposed to get paid.
A GUITARISTS JOB IS......TO PLAY THE GUITAR UR A FUCKING IDIOT AND LET ME GUESS.....A BEDROOM SHREDDER! IM RIGHT ARENT I.
@@rticle15 Vivian was a great guitarist but he got delusions of grandeur, he never wrote a great song after he left Dio.
I respect Goldy for putting his family first with his son
My respect for Craig as a guitarist has always been big but after hearing this portion of his interview my respect has grown even more, he sounds like a solid good man.
@Syd
Thank you for that!! Very kind thing to say and I appreciate that very much and I appreciate you!!
I agree. I've always appreciated his guitar playing/songwriting, but after hearing this interview, I'm even more impressed with him as a human being with character and integrity.
Sounds like a good guy and a great dad too…
I've never met Craig, but not only is he one of the best guitarists I've heard, he consistently seems like the coolest, most normal guy. A rare soul in entertainment.
@Burning Daylight
Thank you for that! Very, very cool thing to say!! My girlfriend might laugh at the word "normal"!!! Ha ha but not ha ha!! I'm just a fan that got into the band!! For me.....it's all about the creativity and that dreams can come true! Most people won't even allow themselves to dream! And if I am a rare soul.....you certainly can only recognize it because you are too!! Thank you!!
Agreed. He seems like a really cool dude to hang out with.
He definitely a badass and one of the 'Night People'
The 80's had so many great guitar players. What a decade for guitarists.
Maximum respect to Craig Goldy... ultimate best parent, good person, excellent guitar player and musician
@RockbertoRocks
Thank you my friend! But I'm thinking that only another good parent would say that! And I thank you for your other kind words! Means more than you could ever know!!
Vivian campbells work on the last in line and holy diver was absolutely blistering,some awesome tracks saved for time and generations..
Just listening to Craig one can clearly see he is a man of integrity a quality few dirtbags in the music business possess!
oh really then why is he not ripping Ronnie and Wendy for lying to Viv and not paying him as they promised?
*Ho DOES seem to be trying his best to be very fair. I think it's a big indicator about the speaker when they just paint others in a broad way as horrible or perfect. He Craig doesn't do that.* 🤘🏼
I like Craig and think he is an excellent guitarist. Even if what he is saying here is true about the original Dio band, I have a feeling that Vivian was never going to get what was promised to him. It is just how it goes. They would have scrapped Viv sooner or later for someone who could do the job and take less, rather than live up to a promise to give him a bigger slice of the pie. Once you start making more money, you don't want to give away more than the bare minimum. As with Ozzy, Ronnie may have intended for his original band to be a real band, but as with Ozzy, it didn't take long to scrap that in favor of being more of a solo act with hired hands. Eh, just my opinion.
Excellent take on that. Couldn't agree more.
Sharon. Then Wendy.
@@seagullpoet And the boys couldn't agree more with their queens
I stopped listening to DiO after Vivian left. Vivian was not okay with getting screwed, Craig was content with getting screwed. Craig ha ha is such a brown tongue, that he talks exactly like Ronnie. Wow
@@notforyoutube - Craig was living in his car, typical LA story - he readily wanted to be a steady band employee & did not have the expectations of being a full partner to the bandleader who had been famous for any years.
Yes, Dio ruined the band chemistry of Bain/Appice//Campbell and yes, many of us stopped listening or caring then. It was unwise and egocentric.
Great interview. Great insight. 52 years old here. Was fortunate as a 15 year old kid to have seen Dio lineup in 1985, 1986.
Wow Craig Goldy a really classy guy. I never knew that story of why he left the band initially and then came back. A stand up guy 🤘🤘🤘
When Craig said that his son would only sleep on his chest that hit me straight in the heart because my daughter slept in my chest until she was about eight. Is my daughter I couldn't tell her no. Craig is a Class Act. He did the right thing and Ronnie saw that. That's probably why Ronnie called him back because if you're good to Ronnie, Ronnie will be good to you
‘If you’re good to Ronnie, Ronnie will be good to you”? Then why didn’t he PAY Vivian Campbell like he promised he would? He kept telling Vivian and the other members of the band, “wait until we cut our next album and then I’ll pay you”! Unfortunately, THAT NEVER HAPPENED! As much as I love Dio, he allowed his wife to influence him to the point of failing to pay his band mates what thy were worth which is UNFORGIVEABLE! I feel really bad for Campbell and the other members of Dio! VERY SAD INDEED!
Class act til he boned Wendy. Kind of like she did Paul Shortino and about a hundred others.
Craig is a classy guy. I’ve never heard him say a bad word about anyone.
I had no idea Craig was such a genius! Everything he says are facts.. love his parenting advice!
The 4 F's: Fair, Fun, Firm, Followthrough. I thought that was excellent too! Much more respect for him because of this!
@@glory777 yes! That’s what I was thinking of. I’ll have to remember that!
I think people over casually through the word ‘genius’ around as a catch all phrase instead of being more specific and saying someone is smart or clever. Does anyone even know the the true definition of the word ‘genius’.
99% of musicians are NOT geniuses. Theyre barely above the intelligence level of an ape and being called a ‘genius’ because they regurgitate a few facts to folks that sit around smoking dope and watching dumb tv shows all day.
do not ask him for a guitar pick on that classic metal show...
Craig is a good guitairst, a B leaguer, but every song people want to hear him play has Vivian on it asa songwriter essentially.
Genius? People throw words around like that way to much
Craig comes across as a class act and a stand up guy. Nice interview!
Love both guitarists. Vivian's solo On Rainbow in the Dark remains one of my favorites after all these years.
Hungry for heaven is my favorite
It's a decent solo. Vivian is certainly no Randy Rhoads or Michael Schenker though. But let's be honest, it sounds like Vivian tried his best to do a Gary Moore impersonation. Which makes sense ( not an excuse ) because Vivian worshipped Gary.
Craig is an amazing guitar player. Humble and so talented. One of my favorites. A true professional.
Craig sounds like a great guy. I think the real problem was that Ronnie just couldn’t stand up to Wendy, you have to remember how music biz works part of the pie was going to her right off the top. I really believe from what I’ve heard that Ronnie really intended to come through but was under a lot of pressure and stress and some fear that he wouldn’t get what he’d been supposed to get again. And as far as Vivian goes imagine writing one of the greatest guitar albums of the 80’s and not getting compensated for it. As a player that started in that era Vivian was and still is on of my greatest influences! I mean I love Randy, Eddie all the greats before and since but I probably actually played more in the style of Vivian and George Lynch, not as well but those are the guys I copy the most lol!
DING DING DING!!! I think we have a WINNER here! Wendy WAS the manager and wife of Ronnie, just like Sharon was to Ozzy. We all know what happened with Bob Daisley, Lee Kerslake and Jake E Lee. Can you imagine Wendy, in Ronnie's ear saying, " Well OZZY did this, and OZZY did that ". I think both Ozzy and RJD started out with good intentions and were steered away by their wives. But in the end, both bands put out some epic albums that I still enjoy, these many years later. Great interview as always, bringing insight of the bands and music business to us fans. 😎
@@juve3690 still blame Ronnie
@@juve3690 Yeah!... I still blame Ronnie even though I see where you're coming from. I could see Sharon getting away with it with Ozzy because let's face it, he's NOT the brightest and I believe she could manipulate him easily. But in this, I blame Ozzy too! Right is right!
Ronnie on the other hand is a pretty disciplined and focused guy. You're telling me that he couldn't stand up to his wife concerning a verbal contract made with other band members? Nah, I don't buy it. They were both in on it.
@@gun_toting_lefty I agree. Maybe RJD said to Wendy, ok, twist my arm...I'll pay em more when we release the third album...Money and success can alter a person's character from what we've seen over the years with many bands. But like I've said before, I still enjoy listening to their music. In a way, knowing a lot of the inside stuff that FIB covers, shedding light on the different personalities, makes the music from back then even more intimate. And I'm digging it. Keep em coming I say!
Wow! What a great and insightful interview. Craig really seem like the most grounded, smart and humble guy ever, a genuinely good guy.
Exactly and the kind of guy I wish I'd had I'm my past bands, I can't help but wish Craig the Very Best!
Wow, that story about his wife in Denmark and the baby was touching and showed how much integrity he has. He is also a great musician. I also liked how he gave insight into how publishing works in the music business.
I like Craig, honest guy, great guitarist. In fact his solo for "Time to Burn" is still one of my fav all time solo's. That said, he would never say anything that could remotely be considered controversial towards Ronnie. What sometimes get's lost is, regardless of how great a guy Ronnie was (and I was/am a huge fan), he gave his word to equal shares eventually. And for three albums the band toured behind Gold and Platinum albums, packed arenas and financially were making very little. Obviously Ronnie was bearing the brunt of the financial responsibility of the band, but he was also reaping the financial rewards. Simply put, don't give your word for something if you can't deliver. Yes it was Ronnie's prerogative to change his mind after all it was his record deal but also Vivian's choice to call him on it when his word had been given. As far as Bain and Appice staying, where were they going to go? Bain had already had his shot with Wild Horses. Appice's spot was already filled in Sabbath. Bottom line is the guys stayed because they had a steady paycheck. Maybe not big bucks but a bird in hand is better than two in the bush. And in fact Vivian essentially disappeared for a bit until he resurfaced with Whitesnake so regardless of whether he came from wealth, he certainly took a huge risk by getting himself fired for speaking out. The worst part of all of it was the bickering between the two in the years after. Gladly Vivian has been able to set the record straight and pay homage to his Dio roots and I'm sure had Ronnie lived he would have made amends with Vivian as well.
Well said John! I believe with all my heart that Vivian and the other band members were getting Screwed financially because of RJD’s inability to honor his promise to them! He allowed his wife to influence him to the point that his band members were making peanuts while Dio was making BANK from ticket sales, album sales, and merchandise sales! For being a “giving guy”, Dio definitely turned his back on his band mates!
I love Craig. He is a stand up guy. And he'll tell it like it is, without shit talking anyone. He's been very kind and generous with his time and stories. And if you're reading this Craig, hope all is well, it's been a few since we've chatted, but I really hope to have more conversations with you soon!
he totally doesn't care about you
@@TheBigMclargehuge whatever, I dont expect he's thinking about me. Don't be dumb. He's a good guy, and you...are not
Ok but he needs to remember just about every song people want to hear him play with Dio had Vivian as a songwriter on it
@@TheBigMclargehuge
Sorry.....but you're wrong! Even though I've never met Eric in person....through the comment section of some of these YT videos....much like with Facebook....you can actually become friends with someone you've never met before.....and I personally think of Eric as my friend!!
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle
That's very true! Those first 3 Dio albums are insanely amazing! And I loved playing his solos live!! But also remember....they were under Ronnie's guidance! I hate to say it....but I haven't heard anything from Viv lately that even touches those songs and solos! Don't get me wrong.....Viv is Ferocious on guitar! And he is so much a part of why those albums are as good as they are.....but Jimmy and Vinny have always remained stellar before, during and after!
I personally have nothing against Viv and have total respect for his playing on those 3 albums and live performances!!
And he will always be THEE quintessential Dio guitarist!!
I met Craig one day at a gig for Wounded Warriers. He was so nice and actually complemented me on my guitar playing! Compared to Craig, I'm not much but he was so gracious! Love that guy!
I saw Goldy with Dio. He's an absolute beast.
Craig is one of the most interesting guys I’ve ever heard. I could listen to him talk all day. Such a sweet guy he seems to be. It’s sad he didn’t get paid justly for all the hard work he did.
Very intelligent, well-spoken man. One helluva' a musician.
if they were "hired hands" thats one thing....but Viv wasnt. he was a member of Dio...3 albums to "maybe" make some money...it excessive as hell imo
The rug was pulled out from under his feet magic trick.
Craig seems like the coolest guy. Really a stand up dude.
He stayed with a woman he wanted to break up with because of the kid. Kinda sucks for him. Not so much being a stand up dude.
@@SonnyGTA Bro, on the contrary. If what you are saying is true and that stuff is really none of our business, he put the feelings of the kid before his own. Thats a stand up guy trying to be a good role model for the kid. So, what you ssaid really makes no sense.
Craig sounds like a really level headed guy and he seems to have had a unique perspective to watch how this business relationship worked.
This was the BEST explanation of publishing I've ever heard! Thanks Craig!
what a brilliant interview. Craig rules.
One of the few good guys Ive ever heard of in the music business....Craig never talks shit And he plays the hell out of his guitar !
*Craig is super nice and kinda humble. If you reply to his posts on UA-cam he usually responds very kindly. Plus, he's a great guitarist!*
This is a great interview. Very insightful.
This is awesome and very informative interview. Thank you!!
My guitar hero! Thomas Goldy!
Craig is so matter of fact. I've talked with him at NAMM really comes off as a truly decent guy👍🏼🍻🇺🇸
I was REALLY inpressed by this piece! 💯🇺🇸
except do not ask him for a guitar pick.....he is a B leaguer and needs to remember the only songs people wanted to hear him play in Dio were written by Vivian Campbell
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle I hear ya, I'm a Bass player , no pick required🤣😂🤣
Thank you for your service in Namm. 🇺🇲🌹✌️🎸
Also, r.i.p. Jerry Garcia
❣️ 1942-1995⚡
@@halColombo Garcia is a B leaguer for one of the worst bands in history....why mention him
I can't imagine " Don't Talk to Strangers " without Vivs guitar.
This is a phenomenal interview. I gotta say after listening to this interview, it really gave me a new appreciation for Craig. He comes off as very down to earth guy and he gave a very fresh new point of view on the Vivian vs Ronnie feud. Thanks for posting
Craig is indeed a class guy. I have first hand experience with him treating my father absolutely wonderfully after a show.
Yes Craig, please keep me updated on that project. Really looking forward to the eventual release!
@Mike Camilli
Ok!! Thank you Brother!! I appreciate you!
Man I love listening to Craig. Great guitar player and speaks very well.
AWESOME INTERVIEW AND CRAIG REALLY LAID IT OUT GOOD FOR US !!!
Cool guy. Saw him in Rough Cutt before seeing him again on Dio's Sacred Heart 2nd US tour leg. Had to see that Dragon show twice haha. Ironically, the first was with Jeff Young & Megadeth opening whom you had on yesterday's UA-cam clip for your upcoming full interview with Jeff Young. Your content is taking me on a journey through my Jr&Sr High School days. Thank you!
Some one on here made the comment that Vivian Campbell's contributions on Holy Diver was worth 40% for publishing royalties is exactly right right on that .Vivian wrote 90% of that music himself and his extraordinary talents on his guitar made the Album wat it was ! A absolute Heavy Metal Masterpiece .it made Dio's sound and brought Ronnie up to Super Rockstar status .and in my opinion in 1982 and 1983 there were 3 guitarist that stood out above and the rest at that particular time .Eddie Van Halen .Randy Rhoads .and Vivian Campbell . that was just the way it was .a few years later you had George Lynch and Warren DMartini and countless other that made their mark and shined really bright but in 82-83 there were only 3 that actually changed Rock and Heavy Metal through their song writing and guitar playing on studio albums .The first 2 Eddie played on .Randy's two and Vivian's first two (but:definitely Holy Diver) those 5 Albums are arguably the greatest Heavy Metal Guitar Records of all time . And top 3 all time .Van Halen .1 Ozzy .Diary Of A Madman .Dio .Holy Diver .I think there's no debating this .all 3 Complete Masterpieces and changed the course of how Rock and Metal would be defined for the rest of the decade and eternity
Craig is by far the most credible guy to come from the era..
It's really awesome that he takes the time to go in depth with information.
So much respect for Craig.
This is very insightful, I wasn't aware of the contributions of Craig Goldy until now & much respect to Craig's truthfulness & what he had to sacrifice.
Craig sounds like a good dude. Thanks for another great interview. Really like your channel. Always good stuff. 👍
The stuff Craig goes into here about songwriting, writing melodies & the creative process involved is incredible. I have never heard anyone express it better. Well worth hearing repeatedly…
The legal definitions applied to songwriting are pretty much as Craig explained. Unfortunately, they are entirely inadequate to explaining the fact that a song is more than the sum of its individual components. Listening to a song is an experience. It's not a mechanical thing where you can swap out a given musician's individual performance and end up with the same listening experience. It's not that simple. Using Dio as an example, substitute Simon for Vinnie and we're hearing something entirely different. Throw publishing into the mix and hard-feelings can arise pretty quickly when you're talking about writing credit. And, that just sucks entirely.
@@roguefate666 well said!
@@Zepster77 Thank you!
Graig Goldy is such a great person, I sure learned a lot about songwriting on this one too. Thanks!!
I saw Craig play with Dio on the Dream evil tour, Toronto, early '88. He is an excellent guitarist, definitely a favorite of mine. This is a really good interview, I definitely want to hear more!
Love your contribution to the music world Craig. Thanks for creating some of Dio's best music. Love your playing then and to this day. Thank you!
I met Vivian Campbell when he had a guitar clinic when he was with Whitesnake total a hole
Why?
Great channel , we get tons of info and details. Cheers ! 💥
Very impressed with Craig after this interview. 👏
How cool would it be to sit down with a guy like Craig Goldy over a beer or two and listen to some of his stories. He's seen everything a rockstar could see. He's met every rockstar worth meeting. Im a huge history fan and storied like this are glimpses into the history and inner workings of the rock and metal scene, stuff i find fascinating. I could listen to these rock stories all day. What an awesome guy Goldy is.
These interviews are gold sauce
Great interview. I'm listening again, to hear him talk of fatherhood and the 4 Fs.
Never heard that before, it's giving me a new perspective.
Thanks
@Elliott Halsey
Thank you for that!
I've had the privilege and honor to raise children in a relationship who were not mine.....some from 16 months, and some at the age of 9, and one of my own. And to this day.....we are still in contact with total positive exchanges....but going back.....I made sure that they would never experience what I endured! I just couldn't wrap my head around a parent that couldn't conceive that children are a gift.
Fun can only go so far until something happens that requires a person to be fair when a problem arises that requires an explanation true in form....and with the firm belief that something needs to be addressed.....and if it requires even the slightest bit of discipline.....only the follow through will make that stance stand. Because if there has been a consistent amount of fun, firm, fair and follow through....the child will in fact respond accordingly! Especially when the most evident ingredient is Love.
The best way to describe this....is the 16 month old....I raised her till she was 5 and her mother and I just couldn't remain together.....and the only way the mother could hurt me was to take "her" child away from me.....fast forward....that child is now in her 30's...and married with her own children....and for her Birthday....her husband flew her out from Texas to California so we could hang out together for 4 days as her Birthday present! I was her Birthday present some 30 years later! And those 4 F's are going strong with her children!! So........
Thank you!!
@@TCraigGoldy THANK YOU 😊 🙏
Wow. This was really informative on what publishing is and how the money earned from publishing is distributed..
Yeah - unfairly!
I was disappointed when Ronnie let Viv walk...though Criag did a stand up job with Dio, Viv was the original and brought the unique chemistry to that lineup at the time...what a shame
Viv didn't walk away. He was fired by RJD or Wendy. Fyi
@@stevengoodman3498 yes I know that..I should check my terminology..all the same , the fact remains
@@shreddinjoe no disrespect intended or implied. Viv got shafted by them both. Just like Ozzy and Sharon did to Jake E Lee. Just sickens me these stars are making millions while the musicians making the music don't get publishing or credit for the songs they worked so hard on. Viv was making $400 dollars a week working for RJD which is a disgrace. He is one of the greatest artists of our time and deserved better. Even the road crew got paid better! Have a great rest of your week.
@@stevengoodman3498 I couldn't agree more my friend...it is indeed sickening. Apparently during those times, the 80s, Jake and Viv were only a small batch that got 100% screwed...the tours for all 3 albums ,holy diver, last in line, sacred heart, were all very high grossing tours...and the band members only got a small salary...while (someone) else was raking in millions....I don't blame Viv for stepping up wanting his fair share...he was a key element in the creation of those records..with all due respect to Goldie, it like a slap upside the head watching Goldie play Vivs songs to us, the fans
Before you get too deep in music, understand, that whoever gets the money in their hand first,is gonna keep as much as they can, either outright or skimming. This leaves the actual musicians at the bottom with the founder/leader at the top of that pyramid.
Really interesting interview and what a stand up guy with his family!
Imagine doing an 8 hour day and then working in dio.
Only just watched this...Craig Goldy goes way up in my estimation of him, I mean I've always respected him as a great guitar player, but what a thoughtful and intelligent and cool dude he is.
Wow. I knew nothing of Craig Goldy before this. He is a VERY impressive person.
Craig, I think your Dream Child album is awesome. Your guitar is more prominent and the vocalist is very Dio like!
Excellent Interview !!!
Great interview
Fantastic interview! Wow!!
Great interview!
I have a new found respect for Craig after hearing this. I always argued with my brother cause he liked Goldy and I preferred Campbell. Man what a down to earth guy. My favorite performance of Craig was Naked In The Rain on headbangers ball think it was San Antonio.
Thanks for all your content FIB.
Dang Bloomdaddy. Never heard Craig speak before but he really sounds like he got a heart of gold. Great interview.
You speak the truth about Craig. Thanks for listening, Chris.
Good interview 👍. This clears up a lot of stuff and makes the RJD/Vivian Campbell feud make more sense. Craig Goldy seems like a really good guy
listening to Craig my gosh!! he is super smart explaining the business of royalties and advertising, he can be a successful music producer.
Possibly the most articulate hard rock artist I’ve heard speak
Have you ever heard an interview with Jimmy Page? Jon Lord ? Bowie? Robert Plant?
Add Rush
Tremendous interview.
I think Craig realized he had to sacrifice himself to be able to get the exposure of playing for such a huge idol, but in the end this confirms that Dio and Wendy were f*cking everyone up and Vivian was the only one to speak up, I mean he made 3 records with Dio, how much sh*t did he have to take? This is so painful to me as a fan because I love Ozzy and Dio's music to the core but to see that even Dio was getting into these dodgy management despicable business practices truly breaks my heart.
Their shady actions do make it difficult to listen to the music without the shade dulling the brilliance.
Whatever. Vov was an amazing guitarist. DIO was a god.
@@UnitedElectric, no sh*t Sherlock.
Wow! Thank you all for such kind words! I don't expect everyone to like me or agree with me....but I am surprised by all the nice comments! I want to take a day and get back to each of you personally!
Those who still think Viv got a bad deal.....I leave you with this:
1) All the band members say that they all felt the same way as Viv.....so why did they NOT all form a united front and leave it all to Viv at that point?
The ONLY united front those 3 guys did was when they met with me to ask me to give them some of my money that I made with what I wrote.
2) I was in the same room when the promise was made. What is missing is the rest of what the actual promise was actually predicated upon. It was NOT just by the 3rd album. Because that leaves Ronnie open to less input from them and more pay to them for less.
So, to counter balance this....the rest of the guys had to become stars in their own right by the record company standards....not just the fans. If that were the case....Vinny and Jimmy were already there on day one.
It was standard practice back in those days that the record company would have a solo project clause for each band member.
All they had to do was to meet with the record company and act upon that contract clause......which they all did NOT
Had they gotten a solo deal on the side as they very well should've which would've put Ronnie in a place where the rest of the guys no longer needed him. THIS would've put it back on Ronnie.
But there was no united front, just Viv, and no solo deals on the side which was the whole promise.
If you think about it.....
3) Why did the other guys leave Viv hanging out to dry? THAT'S the real question here!!
Thanks everyone!! When I circled back to this and read the comments....I was blown away by so many positive comments and replies!
For me it's kind of an early Christmas present!
Thank you! I'll be getting back to you all personally!! Until then....Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas which ever applies. And here's to hoping 2023 is kind to us all.Wow! Thank you all for such kind words! I don't expect everyone to like me or agree with me....but I am surprised by all the nice comments! I want to take a day and get back to each of you personally!
Those who still think Viv got a bad deal.....I leave you with this:
1) All the band members say that they all felt the same way as Viv.....so why did they NOT all form a united front and leave it all to Viv at that point?
The ONLY united front those 3 guys did was when they met with me to ask me to give them some of my money that I made with what I wrote.
2) I was in the same room when the promise was made. What is missing is the rest of what the actual promise was actually predicated upon. It was NOT just by the 3rd album. Because that leaves Ronnie open to less input from them and more pay to them for less.
So, to counter balance this....the rest of the guys had to become stars in their own right by the record company standards....not just the fans. If that were the case....Vinny and Jimmy were already there on day one.
It was standard practice back in those days that the record company would have a solo project clause for each band member.
All they had to do was to meet with the record company and act upon that contract clause......which they all did NOT
Had they gotten a solo deal on the side as they very well should've which would've put Ronnie in a place where the rest of the guys no longer needed him. THIS would've put it back on Ronnie.
But there was no united front, just Viv, and no solo deals on the side which was the whole promise.
If you think about it.....
3) Why did the other guys leave Viv hanging out to dry? THAT'S the real question here!!
Thanks everyone!! When I circled back to this and read the comments....I was blown away by so many positive comments and replies!
For me it's kind of an early Christmas present!
Thank you! I'll be getting back to you all personally!! Until then....Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas which ever applies. And here's to hoping 2023 is kind to us all.
Killing The Dragon makes better sense now knowing Craig wrote for it as while not part of the concept, it still sounded like a natural followup to Magica, both albums were late-era DIO classics fer my ears. Those and Dream Evil are right up there with the first three Viv records IMO, and lots of good stuff on Master Of The Moon too...
Fantastic interview, more of this please \m/
A great interview on so many levels. Craig KNOWS Publishing..and He knows Songwriting...2 distictly different things..and he is so effective at explaining how it works and why the musicans may feel as they do. He should be a professor somewhere explaing the ACTUAL business to people instead of the mythical crap that some people believe.
Thank you for this insightful interview.
What a level-headed, intelligent and sincere guy he is. Dream Evil was one of Dio’s best and Craig was a huge part of it. The mix and overall production on that album is atrocious, but his playing still shined through, very unique and second only to Viv. Craig is also an excellent live performer and seems like a great guy. Awesome interview!
Dream evil was Dio worst album that ended his major label success. Lock up the wolves did even worse.
@@Malte-Micha Not a big fan of Dream Evil myself. Lock up the Wolves was a gamble for Dio. To go with (basically) an entire new lineup didn't seem like a good idea at the time and it wasn't. I imagine the extreme Dio fans found something to like about though.
@@roguefate666 Rowan Robertson was the guitar player on lock up the wolves. He was a nobody I don't know who else was in the line up for that album. I stayed far from the album.
@@Malte-Micha Simon Wright from ACDC played drums with Dio for several years. That was Lock up the Wolves was his first album. Same as you, I don't know who else was with him on that one. Jimmy did come back at some point but I don't know when exactly.
@@Malte-Micha Also, it seemed to me at the time that Ronnie was looking for his own Zakk Wylde with Rowan. The kid is still out there in the business from what I understand. Nothing to do with metal.
Craig is a great guitarist and an awesome person! Vivian and Craig were the best Dio guitarist!🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽
Excellent look at the motivations behind the business arrangements.
Great interview! So cool to hear insight on writing credits etc. I still have a gross feeling though about Vivian saying in another interview that he was getting 500$ a week ! That gross feeling I have wasn’t helped in anyway by this interview. Sheesh. Lol. Thanks though Craig
I love Viv,always been a big influence to me,he's just incredible. It's a shame how things turned out. Craig is cool too,what a down to earth and humble dude,also incredible on guitar,how do they do it.
very interesting interview great job
Great guy, great guitarist. Awsome to hear this perspective
Craig has his math down to the tee when it comes to business and publishing.
Craig Goldie has me searching all the time for those 80's BC Rich Warlocks.
Agreed. Those 80s Warlocks with the inline headstocks are too cool!
@@bucknasty69 Yes.... it HAS to be with the tuners 6 per side inline.... and if you can find one with a reverse headstock well, then there goes my Paypal account and a lot of explaining to the wife. Thanks a lot Mr. Goldie! 😁
@@TMoody what's that saying about it being better to ask forgiveness than seek permission? Get that BC Rich
@@fintanoclery2698 Woooooo! 🙂
I never listened to the albums he was on but this guy has alot of wisdom to share.
Amen
EVERY TIME I WATCH THIS IT REMINDS ME JUST HOW AWESOME OF A GUY THAT CRAIG IS !!!
Craig seems like a real solid guy. Great interviews.
The part starting at 8:00 is a fantastic description of what really makes a song great. Anyone trying to write pop/rock songs should memorize and understand that.
Damn this guy seems so genuine and smart
Dream Evil kicks ass
Craig is just a good human being. Period.
According to Viv's own testimony, he was able to afford a Ferrari after 3 years of saving. That, in real terms today, put him well above the UK threshold for 'wealth' in terms of earnings back then. Put it this way: how many of you could buy a new Ferrari (even a bisic model) after 3 years of saving? Right.
Very intelligent review of songwriting.
Just gotta say, this channel is pure heaven for a 55year old metal fan like me.
As an aside: I disagree with the notion that the melody determines the amount of syllables. Maybe, though, he didnt quite make his point as clearly as he wanted.
Agreed. That was a little odd.
I believe he meant that if you lock into the melody you've created, then yes, words will have to be shaved or extended to keep that sweet melody consistent.
@@MrOctober44 melodies are easier to come up with when you can use the black, white and red keys like on Melmac. :D
I gained a whole lot of respect for Craig during this interview. Not that I didn't has respect for his musicanship, but I didn't know much about him on a personal level. This guy is a good man for staying & doing the right thing for his child, even to the point of losing money by not touring, and staying home to raise his child based on his principles. That is the quaintly of a REAL man.
Yes it does I absolutely loved that album