My grandfather was a lighthearted young man, labeled “Class Dreamer” at his college. Then he was sent to France in WWI. He came home a changed man and was never again carefree, but sad and silent. These terrible wars steal the joy from those who physically survive them.
Same happened to my grandfather who was a paramedic with the Bavarian army at Verdun. 1916 he was sent to the recently by German troops captured Fort Douaumont and was trapped there several months. The French Army understandably wanted their largest fort back and peppered it with all artillery they could spare. My grandfather finished his medical studies after the war but he was never again, as he was before the war. He was a broken and embittered man who never could cope with what he experienced during the war.
In human history ...very few if ANY generations have enjoyed an unfettered long-standing peace.... War, conflict, and the desire to have and conquer... And mankind go hand-in-hand......
Marie Empress’s story is one of the saddest things I’ve heard. No matter how she vanished, it’s so sad that her movies are now lost media and only a few photographs remain. It’s such a shame that such a talented soul will just disappear into history and no one will see her act or hear her sing ever again 😔
We are very spoiled by the documentation available from the middle of the 20th century. There's no telling how many films/photo negatives were lost earlier.
@@pageribe2399Far too many, unfortunately. From the film itself being highly volatile and prone to catching fire if not properly stored and looked after to film companies themselves not thinking ahead with regards to preservation, there’s so much lost media that we’ll likely never be able to archive and preserve for future generations unless we’re somehow able to realize time travel in our lifetime and are able to travel straight to the source as a result.
I have had two people close to me commit suicide. Neither of them ever appeared suicidal beforehand. One of them was the last person on Earth I would ever expect to do something like that. He was fearless, and nothing seemed to shake him. He would make fun of people that whined about their problems. Nearly a decade later, I am still trying to make sense of it. One thing I have learned is that you never know what someone is going through, or what is going on in their head. You only see the version of them that they want you to see.
Very. very true. It only happened to me once and I knew the person had demons but also so much that was good. I still think about her almost fifty years later. Sorry for your loss.
I too had (2) of my friends commit suicide... Both of them had suffered some very deep and sad losses, Both had tried prior attempts, I had told both of them what their loss would do to family and friends... Sadly Mr. Winn (my best friend) and Tyler (a great friend) committed suicide years apart. I miss them both and hope to see them both in heaven some day. I wish you peace and that you have the blessings of Our Heavenly Father to comfort you.... I have made peace with it and I feel peace, I still miss my (2) however....
This is like the third time now where I've been chilling at home on a Sunday night, looking for something decent to watch, and low and behold Brad has put up another video! From Western Australia, cheers mate!
Something about Western Australia and winding up on YT because there's nothing on (or to do). Me too, except its Saturday night in Alkimos (and no, I am not going to the wreck😄
Thank you for this thoughtful overview of four lives lost, intentionally or unintentionally. I found your profiles of Charles W. Whittlesey and Marie Empress especially moving. Best wishes. ❤
Accidents can always happen, but in the case of Marie Empress, I can imagine how she could have either thrown herself overboard OR snuck off the ship in disguise, either on impulse or after a long period of planning. She not only had the ability to do either, but a flamboyantly eccentric personality which could, honestly, have hidden some instability.
Her ex got rid of her…divorced in 1918, year before Divorce was hard as fuck for women in tht time. From my research, he was abusive Why if famous, happy, energetic star wud u throw urself overboard…or dress up as a dude and never be seen again😅 Thts a complacent cops dream right there😂 And her ex knew a many high hog in New York He’s prolly the reason, these stupid stories were awash til even now
A lot of people would be shocked if they knew the amount of suicides each year, which usually occurs on the last night at sea. Widows, Widowers, the lonely, the elderly and depressed, crew could tell some stories and have. It's a sad, brutal and lonely way to go.
Fun Fact: Quinten's brother, Teddy Roosevelt Jr died in WWII of a heart attack and was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor. Seems that TR's children were just as brave and fearless as their father!
Teddy's kids took after the old man, sadly because of that it's sad the death of his first born Quentin Roosevelt's might have broken him as he died in WW1 and Teddy himself felt guilty for encouraging him to join up. Similar to "Chesty" Puller who's son also joined up for Vietnam and he literally broke down seeing him after and IED blew his limbs off, even the strongest can feel extreme guilt for their offsprings.
@@legoeasycompany Especially for wars as profoundly pointless and hideous as WW1 and Vietnam. WW2 is a different case altogether. I wondered about Adolph Cotton. The first name is no doubt a coincidence, but with a father who was such an ardent eugenicist, that father would likely have been a supporter of Adolph Hitler's view about the world and people. Mind you, so many people in the US are just like that these days.
I'm admittedly unsure on this, but I suspect that the reason Marie Empress's films are all lost media may be due to the material demands of war. Because of shortages of the raw materials necessary to manufacture new tires and boot soles for the First World War, a lot of celluloid film was broken down to reclaim the material -- which tragically means a lot of cinematic history ended up getting destroyed to fuel the war effort of one of the most pointlessly destructive wars in history. Given the time frame, it wouldn't surprise me if that played a role in erasing her works from the world as well.
@slender_04f14 So did Georges Méliès, the pioneering French filmmaker who developed some of the most widely-used cinematic special effects -- yet 300 of his over 500 films were lost to either the war itself, or to the bankruptcy his studio faced after the war's end.
Not to mention the incredible volatile nature of the film itself during the silent era. Many studios burned (at least here in the states) from their film canisters catching on fire. That's as far as I know though.
@@jurassicparkboy Even just improper storage could cause celluloid film to degrade or melt, which is partly why so many of the surviving films from that era are in middling condition at _best._
The silver nitrate film used in early films degrades naturally with time, which is why so much effort is now devoted to restoring and digitising early film footage. Once a film had been on general release for a while the chances are that it never occurred to anybody that it would one day be of historic interest, so it would either be discarded or left to rot somewhere in a basement storeroom.
Another excellent video from Big Old Boats. The gentleman who makes these videos has the perfect voice to narrate them. His videos leave an impression on my heart that lasts. God bless the souls of those lost at sea. May they rest in peace. May perpetual light shine upon them.
I've always felt that the horrors of the First World War were too much for Major Whittlesey, and like many veterans, returning home became another war he had to fight...🙏🏻
That’s exactly what happened. He struggled terribly after the war and just got sick of hurting. “Not a day goes by but I hear from some of my old outfit, usually about some sorrow or misfortune. I cannot bear it much more.”
This was long before we really began to understand the long-term effects of conflict on the soldiers involved as well as their families. Considering the social values of the time, he took what he saw as the only acceptable path to ending his mental and spiritual anguish. Unfortunately, wars continue to claim victims long after the actual fighting is over.
MAJ Whittlesey had what was then known as "shell shock" or "battle fatigue". Today we call it PTSD. Back then, little was done to acknowledge or treat the disorder. One just suffered in silence. And no statistics were kept.
Very interesting. My grandfather immigrated to the USA in the early 1900s. I heard the ship encountered a horrendous storm, so bad was it that passengers were advised not to go on the deck due to concerns that they could be swept overboard.
Thank you very much for the video, Big Old Boats. I didn't know about these stories, but knew someone of The Lost Battalion. Very sad all of Marie Empress' movies are lost media, and lost films have been found again, so hopefully hers will someday. Also, it can never be sad enough the dignity and respect you give to the people in your videos unlike other nuance people that cover topics of tragedy.
As per usual, the quality and depth is top tier. Never thought to find myself so fascinated by stories I seemingly have no interest in. But voila, I am drawn in.
😮Absolutely RIVETING! Please make more videos about disappearances and murders on the high seas that occurred onboard our favorite ocean liners! These incidents and the passangers and/or crew who were lost deserve to be remembered. Fantastic video!😊
As much as mysterious or tragic these cases are, I hope they find peace in the afterlife. Also, could you make one about City of New York or Great Eastern ?
Finishing my last semester before I teach History. This is very welcome as I'm staying up very late and suffering through the last bits 😂 love your videos
An average of 25 people each year jump from cruise ships, for multiple reasons. These could include: In 2019, 26 people fell overboard out of 29 million passengers who cruised that year. This gives you a 1 in 1.4 million chance of ever falling overboard when cruising.
Brigadier General Theodore Roosevelt III led troops on D-Day, was on the beach and earned a Medal of Honor (like his father). He was the only General to land with the troops that day and was the oldest man on the beach. He suffered a heart attack during the battle at the age of 56 and died a short time later.
IMO the mostly likely scenarios for Marie Empress's disappearance was; - she accidentally fell overboad. -she committed suicide by jumping overboard (People who look and act happy can be profoundly not so and suicidal). -she met an unfortunate end as other women travelling alone have - met with someone who could not take 'no' for an answer, who attacked her and threw her body (unconscious or dead) overboard.
I wasn't expecting to feel the need to mention Sabaton on this video but Charles Whittlesey mandated it (even if the man may have hated it) I believe Sabaton does not glorify war, but seeks to educate in a way that may encourage people who wouldn't seek to learn of these horrible things that happen to at least google the events.
I'm sure they exist but I honestly don't think too many people who know Sabaton view them as "glorifying war" per se. More, in a way, honoring some of the extremes of the human experience. And while their music is certainly "intense", I wouldn't say it's... "glorific" of war really.
I'm sure they exist but I honestly don't think too many people who know Sabaton view them as "glorifying war" per se. More, in a way, honoring some of the extremes of the human experience. And while their music is certainly "intense", I wouldn't say it's... "glorific" of war really.
Whittlesey’s disappearance is I think k a fairly straightforward suicide sadly. Marie Empress’s remains truly fascinating - so many factors swirling around that it is genuinely impossible to come up with a unarguable scenario
I suspect that Charles Whittlesea suffered from what is now recognized as PTSD. he was a victim of the savagery that was WW1. May God rest all their souls.
If you are going to do another ship disappearance video, rudolf diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine died on a ship just before the first world war under very concerning circumstances.
I feel like this is about to be a very controversial thing. As a society today we tend to frown on those that really just do not want to continue existing. But as you said, I'm also sure they all had personal eason to jump ship and never be seen again.
Charles whittlesey.. knew what he wanted to do, at least he was a considerate man as you said up to the last. What I was in the Navy there he asked suicide rate was about 600 sailors a year. ... Having been on four ships myself....a sky full of stars and a calm sea can be very tempting.
For the Charles whittlsey you mean "The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier" and they don't have pallbearers. He may have been in what's called a casket platoon in the honor guard at the Arlington National Cemetery
We know for a fact that disturbance of mind can cause people to push others from train platforms. Might the same hazard not occur on the deck of a ship?
Whittlesey's death is most definitely the most tragic of this video, while some of them may have been lost due to a freak act of god, Whittlesey's continues to show how war truly is hell.
To be more specific, the way World War 1 ended, and the punitive “peace” treaties which followed the end of the fighting, virtually guaranteed a second war to follow - but you’re on the right track generally speaking.
I was unfamiliar with the first three cases discussed. But the last one, I am sorry to say, I knew about. Charles Whittlesey was haunted by the war and the lives of his men that were lost. He was portrayed by Rick Schroder in the excellent and gut wrenching 2001 remake of The Lost Battalion. I highly recommend it.
I like looking at the old pictures of the ocean liners. Because the beds with the handrails says that the ships didn't have modern means to keep them stable when in the water.
I have to say, I don't really get all that invested in mysterious "disappearances" at sea. They didn't disappear. They obviously went overboard, and they won't be found. The only question is who, how and why.
It would be interesting to know how many people were sited, or recovered from overboard incidents in these ships. What are your chances of surviving if you are seen to fall? How successful are overboard recovery efforts?
Thank you for such a well-made video, about obscure people, lost to history, that most of us never knew about. I appreciate that your photos actually match the narrative. If you can't get an actual photo of Marie Empress's stateroom on the ship, you at least get one in the right time period, so we know what it looked like. I do wonder, however, if you're using a few film clips of Louise Brooks in your narration of Marie's movies? I understand doing so, as it is probably impossible to get any live footage of Marie herself. On a related subject, I would like to see you do a documentary on people who were officially buried at sea, with a stated cause of death given at the time, but whose actual death circumstances were probably hidden, to avoid scandal or to get away with murder. (We already know about the death of Thomas Ince, on board the Hearst yacht Oneida in 1924, which will always have murky circumstances surrounding the official story.) I'm thinking of more obscure situations, like the death of Lady Kinross in the 1920's. She was buried at sea, after supposedly falling ill, and her aristocratic husband was then conveniently free to marry his mistress.
In Nashville, the makers and grandsons of the founder of Belle Meade whiskey tell the true story of their patriarch coming over from Germany with his family. He had cashed-in his fortune in Germany, converted his wealth into gold and had a tailor make him a suit with all his gold sewn into the garmet. The man was swept overboard in a storm. His wife was left widowed, penniless and holding the bags for six children, sans Papa. It was one of those children that grew into a whiskey distiller and millionaire.
A person might survive overnight in the water, and however unlikely survival and rescue might be, including difficulties of even seeing a survivor in the ocean, I am still surprised that no effort at an air search was made for Mr. Stebbins. If it were mentioned how far from port the ship was on the morning it was known he was missing, I missed it. I am puzzled that no word of his disappearance was radioed to possible help. Am I missing something here? That said, I doubt the man would have been seen and found. No one even knew when/where he slipped overboard. Still...miracles do happen.
My grandfather was a lighthearted young man, labeled “Class Dreamer” at his college. Then he was sent to France in WWI. He came home a changed man and was never again carefree, but sad and silent. These terrible wars steal the joy from those who physically survive them.
If you changed the war to Vietnam and added the bottom of a bottle, you’d be speaking of my uncle. Wars affect the entire family.
My grandfather was also in the Argonne. He dreamed of it till the day he died.
Same happened to my grandfather who was a paramedic with the Bavarian army at Verdun. 1916 he was sent to the recently by German troops captured Fort Douaumont and was trapped there several months. The French Army understandably wanted their largest fort back and peppered it with all artillery they could spare. My grandfather finished his medical studies after the war but he was never again, as he was before the war. He was a broken and embittered man who never could cope with what he experienced during the war.
In human history ...very few if ANY generations have enjoyed an unfettered long-standing peace.... War, conflict, and the desire to have and conquer... And mankind go hand-in-hand......
A living, walking casualty of war. I hope he and all vets get/got the peace they fought for. Much respect to them all.
Marie Empress’s story is one of the saddest things I’ve heard. No matter how she vanished, it’s so sad that her movies are now lost media and only a few photographs remain. It’s such a shame that such a talented soul will just disappear into history and no one will see her act or hear her sing ever again 😔
Did Marie leave children with Her first Husband ? ?
We are very spoiled by the documentation available from the middle of the 20th century. There's no telling how many films/photo negatives were lost earlier.
@@pageribe2399Far too many, unfortunately. From the film itself being highly volatile and prone to catching fire if not properly stored and looked after to film companies themselves not thinking ahead with regards to preservation, there’s so much lost media that we’ll likely never be able to archive and preserve for future generations unless we’re somehow able to realize time travel in our lifetime and are able to travel straight to the source as a result.
I have had two people close to me commit suicide. Neither of them ever appeared suicidal beforehand. One of them was the last person on Earth I would ever expect to do something like that. He was fearless, and nothing seemed to shake him. He would make fun of people that whined about their problems. Nearly a decade later, I am still trying to make sense of it. One thing I have learned is that you never know what someone is going through, or what is going on in their head. You only see the version of them that they want you to see.
Very. very true. It only happened to me once and I knew the person had demons but also so much that was good. I still think about her almost fifty years later. Sorry for your loss.
I’m so sorry for your respective losses, both of you
I too had (2) of my friends commit suicide... Both of them had suffered some very deep and sad losses, Both had tried prior attempts, I had told both of them what their loss would do to family and friends... Sadly Mr. Winn (my best friend) and Tyler (a great friend) committed suicide years apart. I miss them both and hope to see them both in heaven some day. I wish you peace and that you have the blessings of Our Heavenly Father to comfort you.... I have made peace with it and I feel peace, I still miss my (2) however....
This is like the third time now where I've been chilling at home on a Sunday night, looking for something decent to watch, and low and behold Brad has put up another video! From Western Australia, cheers mate!
Something about Western Australia and winding up on YT because there's nothing on (or to do). Me too, except its Saturday night in Alkimos (and no, I am not going to the wreck😄
Thank you for this thoughtful overview of four lives lost, intentionally or unintentionally.
I found your profiles of Charles W. Whittlesey and Marie Empress especially moving. Best wishes. ❤
Accidents can always happen, but in the case of Marie Empress, I can imagine how she could have either thrown herself overboard OR snuck off the ship in disguise, either on impulse or after a long period of planning. She not only had the ability to do either, but a flamboyantly eccentric personality which could, honestly, have hidden some instability.
Very true. She was a vaudeville performer and could've dressed as a young/elderly man and gotten off somewhere.
Her ex got rid of her…divorced in 1918, year before
Divorce was hard as fuck for women in tht time.
From my research, he was abusive
Why if famous, happy, energetic star wud u throw urself overboard…or dress up as a dude and never be seen again😅
Thts a complacent cops dream right there😂
And her ex knew a many high hog in New York
He’s prolly the reason, these stupid stories were awash til even now
@@jakobquick6875what research?
@@ladyzapzap9514 Ignore him: he can’t even spell his conspiracy theories.
A lot of people would be shocked if they knew the amount of suicides each year, which usually occurs on the last night at sea. Widows, Widowers, the lonely, the elderly and depressed, crew could tell some stories and have. It's a sad, brutal and lonely way to go.
A moonlight death is so surreal yet beautiful
💔💔💔💔
That really doesn’t surprise me that much unfortunately
I found it a bit strange that Henry Stebbins and his wife had separate cabins. I wonder if there was something that might have come into play there.
Fun Fact: Quinten's brother, Teddy Roosevelt Jr died in WWII of a heart attack and was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor. Seems that TR's children were just as brave and fearless as their father!
Yes, even Teddys daughter served in France as a nurse with her Dr. husband. All his children were proud to serve their country.
Teddy's kids took after the old man, sadly because of that it's sad the death of his first born Quentin Roosevelt's might have broken him as he died in WW1 and Teddy himself felt guilty for encouraging him to join up. Similar to "Chesty" Puller who's son also joined up for Vietnam and he literally broke down seeing him after and IED blew his limbs off, even the strongest can feel extreme guilt for their offsprings.
@@legoeasycompany Especially for wars as profoundly pointless and hideous as WW1 and Vietnam.
WW2 is a different case altogether.
I wondered about Adolph Cotton. The first name is no doubt a coincidence, but with a father who was such an ardent eugenicist, that father would likely have been a supporter of Adolph Hitler's view about the world and people.
Mind you, so many people in the US are just like that these days.
@@greenman6141Adolph was a common name. It was even more common than Hilary or Hillary. Both names dropped in popularity after becoming so prominent.
@@kimfleury Hilary dropped in prominence after 1920.
Try to keep your bollocks straight.
As the actress said to the Bishop.
I'm admittedly unsure on this, but I suspect that the reason Marie Empress's films are all lost media may be due to the material demands of war. Because of shortages of the raw materials necessary to manufacture new tires and boot soles for the First World War, a lot of celluloid film was broken down to reclaim the material -- which tragically means a lot of cinematic history ended up getting destroyed to fuel the war effort of one of the most pointlessly destructive wars in history. Given the time frame, it wouldn't surprise me if that played a role in erasing her works from the world as well.
But she died in 1919, after WWI ended
@slender_04f14 So did Georges Méliès, the pioneering French filmmaker who developed some of the most widely-used cinematic special effects -- yet 300 of his over 500 films were lost to either the war itself, or to the bankruptcy his studio faced after the war's end.
Not to mention the incredible volatile nature of the film itself during the silent era. Many studios burned (at least here in the states) from their film canisters catching on fire. That's as far as I know though.
@@jurassicparkboy Even just improper storage could cause celluloid film to degrade or melt, which is partly why so many of the surviving films from that era are in middling condition at _best._
The silver nitrate film used in early films degrades naturally with time, which is why so much effort is now devoted to restoring and digitising early film footage. Once a film had been on general release for a while the chances are that it never occurred to anybody that it would one day be of historic interest, so it would either be discarded or left to rot somewhere in a basement storeroom.
Another excellent video from Big Old Boats. The gentleman who makes these videos has the perfect voice to narrate them. His videos leave an impression on my heart that lasts. God bless the souls of those lost at sea. May they rest in peace. May perpetual light shine upon them.
I've always felt that the horrors of the First World War were too much for Major Whittlesey, and like many veterans, returning home became another war he had to fight...🙏🏻
That’s exactly what happened. He struggled terribly after the war and just got sick of hurting. “Not a day goes by but I hear from some of my old outfit, usually about some sorrow or misfortune. I cannot bear it much more.”
This was long before we really began to understand the long-term effects of conflict on the soldiers involved as well as their families. Considering the social values of the time, he took what he saw as the only acceptable path to ending his mental and spiritual anguish.
Unfortunately, wars continue to claim victims long after the actual fighting is over.
@@stevenr5534Until and unless mankind can come together as one species... War...will be a constant companion....
MAJ Whittlesey had what was then known as "shell shock" or "battle fatigue". Today we call it PTSD.
Back then, little was done to acknowledge or treat the disorder. One just suffered in silence. And no statistics were kept.
@@AlanToon-fy4hg sometimes they just said "he came back different" and that was it. Poor guys
This video was very respectful to those who’ve been lost at sea, great job and keep up the good work!!
Very interesting. My grandfather immigrated to the USA in the early 1900s. I heard the ship encountered a horrendous storm, so bad was it that passengers were advised not to go on the deck due to concerns that they could be swept overboard.
Thank you very much for the video, Big Old Boats. I didn't know about these stories, but knew someone of The Lost Battalion. Very sad all of Marie Empress' movies are lost media, and lost films have been found again, so hopefully hers will someday. Also, it can never be sad enough the dignity and respect you give to the people in your videos unlike other nuance people that cover topics of tragedy.
As per usual, the quality and depth is top tier. Never thought to find myself so fascinated by stories I seemingly have no interest in. But voila, I am drawn in.
Rudolf Diesel would be an important case for part 2. 😮👍
This is a chill channel, i like the tone of this and maritime horrors. You also use great music often
😮Absolutely RIVETING! Please make more videos about disappearances and murders on the high seas that occurred onboard our favorite ocean liners! These incidents and the passangers and/or crew who were lost deserve to be remembered. Fantastic video!😊
I bet almost 98% of people don't have the slightest idea just how vast the oceans actually are...
In a world with people who think the earth is flat, that doesn't suprise me.
OR how devastating and violent war is.
As much as mysterious or tragic these cases are, I hope they find peace in the afterlife.
Also, could you make one about City of New York or Great Eastern ?
Adding another dimension to this excellent channel, you are genius! This was so well done. Thank you 🌹⚓
Outstanding narration, Great use of images, Perfect background music, Captavating stories and background information...... Thanks
Absolutely love this ❤
Keep up the good work :)
Thank you!
@@BigOldBoats Your very welcome :)
Finishing my last semester before I teach History. This is very welcome as I'm staying up very late and suffering through the last bits 😂 love your videos
An average of 25 people each year jump from cruise ships, for multiple reasons. These could include: In 2019, 26 people fell overboard out of 29 million passengers who cruised that year. This gives you a 1 in 1.4 million chance of ever falling overboard when cruising.
Probably my favorite UA-cam channel. You are amazing.
love this channel
Whittelsey's WW1 story is very similar to the one Gatsby tells Nick at the end of the Great Gatsby!
Thank you for the time and effort you put into these. This one was great.
All heartbreaking and thought-provoking--should be on tv, it's that well-done! Kudos, and--again--thank you for the dignity in each case.
Brigadier General Theodore Roosevelt III led troops on D-Day, was on the beach and earned a Medal of Honor (like his father). He was the only General to land with the troops that day and was the oldest man on the beach. He suffered a heart attack during the battle at the age of 56 and died a short time later.
You have by far the best-curated stock footage in the game
YESSSS I am so happy there's a new Big Old Boats episode 😊
Thanks!
Thank you!
Masterful story telling!
IMO the mostly likely scenarios for Marie Empress's disappearance was;
- she accidentally fell overboad.
-she committed suicide by jumping overboard (People who look and act happy can be profoundly not so and suicidal).
-she met an unfortunate end as other women travelling alone have - met with someone who could not take 'no' for an answer, who attacked her and threw her body (unconscious or dead) overboard.
my first thought was your #3
My first thought was that she wanted an out of her current life and the best way to do that is to vanish.
@@robertbihn3005 really sucks #3 feels so likely
Hauntingly compelling.
Absolutely superb! I can't say more than that. I'm stunned.
What fascinating stories! Thank you so much for all the research you've done to bring them to life again.
This was a great video, and especially the narration was very sensitive and thoughtful.
I absolutely love this channel! Been watching for a couple of weeks now.
I wasn't expecting to feel the need to mention Sabaton on this video but Charles Whittlesey mandated it (even if the man may have hated it) I believe Sabaton does not glorify war, but seeks to educate in a way that may encourage people who wouldn't seek to learn of these horrible things that happen to at least google the events.
Roger Houston, that's a don't care.
I'm sure they exist but I honestly don't think too many people who know Sabaton view them as "glorifying war" per se.
More, in a way, honoring some of the extremes of the human experience.
And while their music is certainly "intense", I wouldn't say it's... "glorific" of war really.
I'm sure they exist but I honestly don't think too many people who know Sabaton view them as "glorifying war" per se.
More, in a way, honoring some of the extremes of the human experience.
And while their music is certainly "intense", I wouldn't say it's... "glorific" of war really.
Fascinating video, as always.
Great video!! You are a wonderful creator.
Whittlesey’s disappearance is I think k a fairly straightforward suicide sadly.
Marie Empress’s remains truly fascinating - so many factors swirling around that it is genuinely impossible to come up with a unarguable scenario
Marie Empress is a mystery wrapped in enigma wrapped in a mystery.
Almost makes you wonder did she exist at all.😊
Excellent research and video design. I thoroughly enjoy your thoughtful presentations.
Very well done,thank you.
This was beautifully done.
I suspect that Charles Whittlesea suffered from what is now recognized as PTSD. he was a victim of the savagery that was WW1. May God rest all their souls.
If you are going to do another ship disappearance video, rudolf diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine died on a ship just before the first world war under very concerning circumstances.
I think they DID find Rudoph Diesels remains though, because his son IDed his wallet and belongings found on the remains.
They had their reasons. Rest easy all. Thanks, BoB. Take care and fair winds.
I feel like this is about to be a very controversial thing. As a society today we tend to frown on those that really just do not want to continue existing. But as you said, I'm also sure they all had personal eason to jump ship and never be seen again.
Charles whittlesey.. knew what he wanted to do, at least he was a considerate man as you said up to the last. What I was in the Navy there he asked suicide rate was about 600 sailors a year. ... Having been on four ships myself....a sky full of stars and a calm sea can be very tempting.
Another well put together video.
Thanks 😊
So very interesting-great program. Thank you.
Tragic and heartbreaking and beautifully shared, thank you.
For the Charles whittlsey you mean "The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier" and they don't have pallbearers. He may have been in what's called a casket platoon in the honor guard at the Arlington National Cemetery
We know for a fact that disturbance of mind can cause people to push others from train platforms. Might the same hazard not occur on the deck of a ship?
Whittlesey's death is most definitely the most tragic of this video, while some of them may have been lost due to a freak act of god, Whittlesey's continues to show how war truly is hell.
One could only imagine the nightmares Lt. Colonel Whittlesey was going through. Audie Murphy had the same experience after his service as well.
The sad part about Whittlesly is that in most ways WW1 guranteed a second world war...or possibly a modern 100 years war, part one?
To be more specific, the way World War 1 ended, and the punitive “peace” treaties which followed the end of the fighting, virtually guaranteed a second war to follow - but you’re on the right track generally speaking.
Excellent video. You bring these people back to life and they live again in our imaginations. Thank you.
I was unfamiliar with the first three cases discussed. But the last one, I am sorry to say, I knew about. Charles Whittlesey was haunted by the war and the lives of his men that were lost. He was portrayed by Rick Schroder in the excellent and gut wrenching 2001 remake of The Lost Battalion. I highly recommend it.
I agree, that movie was so realistic. Can't imagine the horror.
16:06 - HA! You hit the nail on the head dude!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I like looking at the old pictures of the ocean liners. Because the beds with the handrails says that the ships didn't have modern means to keep them stable when in the water.
Another enjoyable, well put together video! Thanks again for your work in telling the stories of ones who cannot tell their own!
Such an interesting episode…. the last story was particularly moving.
The ending of the segment about Marie Empress, that is your thoughts about her legacy, was the most chilling part of the entire video for me.
This whole thing was heartbreaking.
You assemble such excellent videos. I enjoy the history of each of them.
Another fantastic video
Love your videos you have a wonderful voice for narration and the stories are always interesting
I have to say, I don't really get all that invested in mysterious "disappearances" at sea.
They didn't disappear. They obviously went overboard, and they won't be found.
The only question is who, how and why.
She was drunk-fell overboard.
Rails on ship were waist high.
Charles disappearance is important to remember and has a meaning to me RIP❤
This was really fascinating, thank you.
SOOOOOO GOOD.... hauntingly beautiful ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Well done!
It would be interesting to know how many people were sited, or recovered from overboard incidents in these ships. What are your chances of surviving if you are seen to fall? How successful are overboard recovery efforts?
Charles Whittlesey lived in Pittsfield. I grew up in the next town over, how did I not know this?
Thank you for such a well-made video, about obscure people, lost to history, that most of us never knew about. I appreciate that your photos actually match the narrative. If you can't get an actual photo of Marie Empress's stateroom on the ship, you at least get one in the right time period, so we know what it looked like. I do wonder, however, if you're using a few film clips of Louise Brooks in your narration of Marie's movies? I understand doing so, as it is probably impossible to get any live footage of Marie herself.
On a related subject, I would like to see you do a documentary on people who were officially buried at sea, with a stated cause of death given at the time, but whose actual death circumstances were probably hidden, to avoid scandal or to get away with murder. (We already know about the death of Thomas Ince, on board the Hearst yacht Oneida in 1924, which will always have murky circumstances surrounding the official story.) I'm thinking of more obscure situations, like the death of Lady Kinross in the 1920's. She was buried at sea, after supposedly falling ill, and her aristocratic husband was then conveniently free to marry his mistress.
Great channel keep it up bud
At ease solider you were a great man 31:14
Mysteries are always interesting. Also told well❤
In Nashville, the makers and grandsons of the founder of Belle Meade whiskey tell the true story of their patriarch coming over from Germany with his family. He had cashed-in his fortune in Germany, converted his wealth into gold and had a tailor make him a suit with all his gold sewn into the garmet. The man was swept overboard in a storm. His wife was left widowed, penniless and holding the bags for six children, sans Papa. It was one of those children that grew into a whiskey distiller and millionaire.
Excellent video!
Sensitively done. I had not heard of any of the figures.
I learned a lot. Thanks.
Yayyyy!!! Happy Sunday shipmates!🎉
If you fall off a ship or get pushed off youll probably never be found.
Good lead up for the first story.
Yay! A new video ❤
Only youtube would put an advert for a cruise line on a video about people missing off ships.
LIKE Button for this Haunting Sound Design
Why do I get the feeling that Adolph Cotton's disappearance wasn't an accident...
Rudolph Diesel would be another candidate for a similar video
I think it's Stebbins was walking on deck and the ship rolled and he fell off, he would have his watch and his personal items on him
Thanks!!
Present day passengers must be aware that is easy to fall overboard and never be found.
Haunting even moreso thanks to the old footage. Every single one, a ghost full of stories that no one shall know.
This was intriguing
A person might survive overnight in the water, and however unlikely survival and rescue might be, including difficulties of even seeing a survivor in the ocean, I am still surprised that no effort at an air search was made for Mr. Stebbins.
If it were mentioned how far from port the ship was on the morning it was known he was missing, I missed it.
I am puzzled that no word of his disappearance was radioed to possible help.
Am I missing something here?
That said, I doubt the man would have been seen and found. No one even knew when/where he slipped overboard. Still...miracles do happen.