It sucks being a fan of the MOTHER franchise sometimes, I once saw a comment calling people out for wanting Giygas in Smash. Like, can't a man dream? And another one where someone said Giygas has no physical form and would be a stupid choice. Keep in mind those comments always get tons of likes for some reason.
I think PK fire "trapping" opponents is a happy accident. In 64 Sakurai probably just wanted to emulate how the fire does damage to multiple opponents, and the mechanic of the fire hitting and burning for a few moments was the result.
Ness' PK Fire trapping opponents was present in Smash 64, which released 7 years before MOTHER 3. It may be possible Sakurai had access to EarthBound 64 design documents at the time, but I think it's safer to say the similarities are coincidental. Also, PK Flash's particles change the longer it's charged in Ultimate, directly aping the appearance of its different levels in EarthBound. For example, the weak, barely charged version resembled PSI Flash α, but the fully charged version resembles PSI Flash Ω.
When Lucas uses PK Starstorm, the background is different from Ness'. The closest match I could find is the background from the final Masked Man fight.
Lodac77 Hey! Not sure, so I came to ask: Any plans to update the video with new/better footage and comparisons now that the game is out? Just asking lol, not a request (or is it c;)
I really love how they actually used the Mother series's attack animations for the PSI effects, it's a somewhat subtle reference but a really wonderful one.
Ninten could have been a completely unique fighter, charging psi to use shields and lifeup to stay alive while racking up damage would be a very unique character!
The original Mother/Earthbound Zero doesn't have any PSI patterns and all it appears to be flashing in colors in a black background. Imagine what those patterns could be like.
very interesting! I didn't even consider the possibility that PK Love and PK Rockin were already represented in game. I like to think that it's used for smash attacks to represent their respective characters training themselves to use on a small scale.
"and now, my son!" thanks to this video I can feel even more nostalgic when playing as ness or lucas, i'll open up a thesaurus and find a big word to call this video later but for know cool stuff this video was rockin (that double pun isn't good but i'm running out of ideas) great high quality song choice for the outro
i like the theory that says that ness and lucas have the worst offensive psi in terms of cost to power ratio since they're the least experienced in using psi, so since pk rockin and pk love are just uncontrolled bursts of psi energy, they just use their moves along with their punches and kicks
Hi Ness main here despite never playing earthbound till recently once I did I noticed stuff like Flash and I also noticed it while playing the mother 3 fan translation its nice to see Ness mains are as hated as people say they are
Fabian Tonche-Garcia You’re welcome! Also there’s a new one coming out in like probably 12 hours that’ll go over the newer effects (cause they updated them) and Lucas effects since there was no gameplay of him.
I think PK Flash being green is actually original to Smash Bros, it just became canon in Mother 3. Ness' PK Flash in Melee was also green, and Melee released five years before Mother 3. If anything, it's Mother 3 PK Flash referencing Smash Bros PK Flash.
They did In fact change his Smash attacks to blue instead of Purple in the final build of Smash Ult. I Main the PK Kids so it’s really nice that they put the visual effects of the PSI Attacks
In Earthbound, PK Fire does damage and that's it, exactly like Lucas' PK Fire in Smash. In Mother 3, PK Fire burns and does lingering damage, exactly like Ness' PK Fire in Smash. *Sakurai what the fuck*
I would be happy if they substitute Ness's Up B, Down B, Side B, and Final Smash. Since Ness never learned PSI Fire, PSI Magnet And PSI Thunder or PSI Starstorm ._. . Down B could be lifeup, and it would work just like PSI Magnet. The Final Smash could be PSI Rockin Ω. Now for side B, and Up B...I dont know. Since Ness's PSI selection in Earthbound wasnt that big. (Actually, maybe side B could be PSI Shield, that would reflect the projectiles. its a posibility.)
Garnet: Blue Diamond Is Gonna Swipe Twilight's Roses! 2:00 Steven Universe: But How Can We Fight Blue Diamond Until She Ran Back To Homeworld? 2:07 Garnet: Help Us Say " Blue Diamond No Swiping! " 2:12 Garnet: Say It With Us! 2:17 Garnet And Steven Universe: Blue Diamond No Swiping! 2:23 Garnet And Steven Universe: Blue Diamond No Swiping! 2:26 Garnet And Steven Universe: Blue Diamond No Swiping! 2:33 Blue Diamond: That's Enough This Is Fighting! *Blocks PSI With Toes* 2:37
Technically every moves with PSI Particules that Ness and Lucas cast already have pk names written on Official Stretegy book or In Game, for exemple Lucas Up smash is name PK Shash Geyser since atleast smash 4, Ness dash attack in melee was named PK Push, but then was change for PK Hand Stamp in ultimate. My last exemple will be that they both have thier throw named PK Throw. Theses info are easy to find on the internet or in game
I'm thinking M3 made flash green based on Melee, which is where Ness first had it in smash. as to why it's green there, maybe they saw it was going to be green in EB64, or just made it green instead of white to stand out a bit more. Or possibly sakurai or somone else on the team thought of the "pale green light" enemies like the kraken used and attributed it to flash, since those enemies also use flash
Extra thing, Ness' PK Starstorm is slightly stronger than Lucas' because Earthbound has two stages, Starstorm Alpha and the stronger (but ultimately pointless) Starstorm Omega, while Mother 3 only has Starstorm Alpha.
Wait, wasn't PK Flash green in Melee, 5 years before Mother 3? I know it was in devolpment during that time but I beleive Melee is it's first appearance as being green. Correct me if I'm wrong plz.
I don't think the PK Flash being green is a reference to Mother 3. It's been like that since all the way back in Melee, which came out before Mother 3.
yes it does but its more like this. say someone stepped inside the magnet field. and you know how the field pulses and the psi effects emit outwards? The psi effects or lines whatever you call them, every time they pulse out the hitbox activates and pushes the opponent halfway out of the field. Its about as fast as ness' new pummel from the release build of the game.
like are you saying the backgrounds for when you enter a battle because then this is for you ua-cam.com/video/zjQik7uwLIQ/v-deo.htmlsi=bzvLclF9PQoqChTn
Ness is the best Period Oh also I made a newer version of this video check it out ua-cam.com/video/hlv4Nz9Fiyg/v-deo.html It has lucas’ new psi effects
CatTV14-11 MEEE Zero doesn’t make the rules. Lucas and ness are more different than each other this time around, both sides have seen buffs and nerfs so don’t get your hopes up.
@everyone!!! ua-cam.com/video/hlv4Nz9Fiyg/v-deo.html
I know i seen you from somewhere!!
@@mylife2444
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@@Lodac77 a certain Earthbound related video
The Super Bro.
Which one
@@Lodac77 either a Mother song, another analysis, or parody; one of those 3
Kumatora used PK Thunder Omega
*It didn’t hit anyone!*
*I t d i d n ‘ t h i t a n y o n e!*
Lightning tends not to hit people.
*It didn’t hit anyone!*
@@thermolol *it missed for the 100th fucking time!*
The average PK Thunder experience.
Good luck breaking shields with THAT.
That's the real PK Thunder experience right there.
I always wondered why Ness' PK rockin in smash was purple/pink and not red blue and yellow. Your explanation makes more sense.
Psi Rockin'
@@exaltedfalcheon1793 I call it PK Rockin cuz earthbound had a localisation screw up. offensive PSI are suppose to use the prefix PK not PSI
@@vossboss220 I know the mistake but you have to admit Psi Rockin' sounds good
@@exaltedfalcheon1793 not for me no
But Ness also has alternative costumes, three of them using pinks and purples. I just don't think the colour explanation holds any ground.
Ninten should be his own character!
"No, he should be an echo fighter"
> People who don't know anything about Mother 1
Me:
Lemme just tell you lucas isn't an echo fighter
Same I get tilted when people say that :P His psi moves are different if you played the 1st game
It sucks being a fan of the MOTHER franchise sometimes, I once saw a comment calling people out for wanting Giygas in Smash. Like, can't a man dream? And another one where someone said Giygas has no physical form and would be a stupid choice. Keep in mind those comments always get tons of likes for some reason.
Ninten can't be an echo because he doesn't know offensive PSI
waluigi for super smash brothers brawl
I think PK fire "trapping" opponents is a happy accident. In 64 Sakurai probably just wanted to emulate how the fire does damage to multiple opponents, and the mechanic of the fire hitting and burning for a few moments was the result.
Ness' PK Fire trapping opponents was present in Smash 64, which released 7 years before MOTHER 3. It may be possible Sakurai had access to EarthBound 64 design documents at the time, but I think it's safer to say the similarities are coincidental.
Also, PK Flash's particles change the longer it's charged in Ultimate, directly aping the appearance of its different levels in EarthBound. For example, the weak, barely charged version resembled PSI Flash α, but the fully charged version resembles PSI Flash Ω.
Brian Kennedy
I didn’t notice that. Good eye!
Thank you. ^^
WOW I DIDNT KNEW (no really, this wasn't sarcasm)
Kenji 64 I thought side-B moves weren't introduced until Melee. Was it his Neutral B in 64, or did he straight up not have PK Fire?
@@CabinetGremlin he didn't has flash, his neutral B was PK Fire.
When Lucas uses PK Starstorm, the background is different from Ness'. The closest match I could find is the background from the final Masked Man fight.
Yeah that's what it is
This video is from before that was added to be fair
oh wow
Underrated video. I’ve been hyped for these redesigns as a huge mother fan.
Cvo777
Thanks! I’ve also been very hyped to see these aesthetics in action
Lodac77 Hey! Not sure, so I came to ask: Any plans to update the video with new/better footage and comparisons now that the game is out? Just asking lol, not a request (or is it c;)
Cvo777
No I think the stuff is good.
The only reason I’d make another video is if there were new psi effects to analyze
They changed all of Lucas' psi effects to be blue and yellow with pink glow to better resemble PK love it seems.
yes i know i will make a vid sometime before release
@@Lodac77 I'll be looking out for it
I really love how they actually used the Mother series's attack animations for the PSI effects, it's a somewhat subtle reference but a really wonderful one.
Ninten could have been a completely unique fighter, charging psi to use shields and lifeup to stay alive while racking up damage would be a very unique character!
Oh man it's true we have any healer
@@thalezito-4990 a healer doesn't really make sense in Smash, and would probably be a pain to fight against.
The original Mother/Earthbound Zero doesn't have any PSI patterns and all it appears to be flashing in colors in a black background. Imagine what those patterns could be like.
There's pk beam at least
Though the other psi powers have a monopoly on color coding
*it didn't hit anyone!*
pk thunder being hard to hit on people, good one
Pk pk
very interesting! I didn't even consider the possibility that PK Love and PK Rockin were already represented in game. I like to think that it's used for smash attacks to represent their respective characters training themselves to use on a small scale.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed
Ness and Lucas's attacks now resemble their original in-game look?
Their partners join in their final smash?
Now this is some fanservice I'm into
And it makes sense because Ness/Lucas didnt know Starstorm, so their allies showing up to "assist" works out nicely!
I have recovered my brain cells
"and now, my son!"
thanks to this video I can feel even more nostalgic when playing as ness or lucas, i'll open up a thesaurus and find a big word to call this video later but for know cool stuff this video was rockin (that double pun isn't good but i'm running out of ideas) great high quality song choice for the outro
MattyB'sDeadSon
Glad to make you happy 👌👍
I just realized that lodac has the same first two letters of Logan so I'm glad to be part Lo-dang
lo dang..
4:32 I'd actually say it's possibly the other way around, it's been green since Melee and that came out 5 years before Mother 3.
Maybe that's how they wanted to show it off the snes
The Final Smashes may contain Smiles and Tears instead of Battle Backgrounds, but that's even more awesome!
I also noticed that in the final smash of ness you can see the two circles that rotate around the melodies that are playing
Man I love Mother 3 so much, but I wish I was actually good with Lucas in Smash Bros. I love these little nods so much.
I main Lucas.
This is probably the best video I’ve seen for Smash Ult. Information about my mains :))
thanks 👍
They put so much detail into this game. Every single tiny little thing is a reference to something.
They actually changed the color of lucas's pk love attacks to light blue and yellow sakurai really pays attention to detail
looking back at it now i like how much effort and detail into characters barely anyone knows
Ness is the best.... All I'm gonna say
Aura
My SON
@@Lodac77 *Our👌 😜
Aura
Yes I mean ours 😄
@@Lodac77 haha😂
Ness is best that's final
That last one for some reason made me feel.....happy
i like the theory that says that ness and lucas have the worst offensive psi in terms of cost to power ratio since they're the least experienced in using psi, so since pk rockin and pk love are just uncontrolled bursts of psi energy, they just use their moves along with their punches and kicks
Flash was green in Melee too
Kwagz
Yeah idk why they made it green in the first place
Maybe since M🌏ther 64 was in development and they did it but idk
Also nice pfp!
Wow I didn't notice this stuff before.
The psi looks so much better now
Finally someone noticed! Thanks for making this and spreading the word!👌❤️
The background when they cast pk starstorm is awesome.
Hi Ness main here despite never playing earthbound till recently once I did I noticed stuff like Flash and I also noticed it while playing the mother 3 fan translation its nice to see Ness mains are as hated as people say they are
Funny enough is that Ness’ Psi Rockin in Smash has the exact same design as it does for his hypnosis attack in Earthbound
Great video Lodac!
That was a fun video to watch! You have a good eye for detail!
Mostly every PSI comes from Kumatora
I've been looking for this vid for EVER
Fabian Tonche-Garcia
You’re welcome! Also there’s a new one coming out in like probably 12 hours that’ll go over the newer effects (cause they updated them) and Lucas effects since there was no gameplay of him.
@@Lodac77 ok thx
I think PK Flash being green is actually original to Smash Bros, it just became canon in Mother 3. Ness' PK Flash in Melee was also green, and Melee released five years before Mother 3. If anything, it's Mother 3 PK Flash referencing Smash Bros PK Flash.
lucas' pk starstorm background is now masked man/mani mani statue
They did In fact change his Smash attacks to blue instead of Purple in the final build of Smash Ult. I Main the PK Kids so it’s really nice that they put the visual effects of the PSI Attacks
yeah thats like my most favorite change for my sons
In Earthbound, PK Fire does damage and that's it, exactly like Lucas' PK Fire in Smash.
In Mother 3, PK Fire burns and does lingering damage, exactly like Ness' PK Fire in Smash.
*Sakurai what the fuck*
Lucas’s PK Starstorm Background Changed it references the Video Drugs from Mother 3 now, I don’t remember which one specifically
Ssf2 has done this for a long time (since 2017)
Actually the background used for Lucas's PK Starstorm is a reference to the final battle in Mother 3, "Battle against the Masked Man" *cries*
I would be happy if they substitute Ness's Up B, Down B, Side B, and Final Smash. Since Ness never learned PSI Fire, PSI Magnet And PSI Thunder or PSI Starstorm ._. . Down B could be lifeup, and it would work just like PSI Magnet. The Final Smash could be PSI Rockin Ω. Now for side B, and Up B...I dont know. Since Ness's PSI selection in Earthbound wasnt that big.
(Actually, maybe side B could be PSI Shield, that would reflect the projectiles. its a posibility.)
That ending song though
i always thought the background in lucas's FS was the one in the final boss (masked man)
Ya like bfdi?
I pk exploded
Garnet: Blue Diamond Is Gonna Swipe Twilight's Roses! 2:00
Steven Universe: But How Can We Fight Blue Diamond Until She Ran Back To Homeworld? 2:07
Garnet: Help Us Say " Blue Diamond No Swiping! " 2:12
Garnet: Say It With Us! 2:17
Garnet And Steven Universe: Blue Diamond No Swiping! 2:23
Garnet And Steven Universe: Blue Diamond No Swiping! 2:26
Garnet And Steven Universe: Blue Diamond No Swiping! 2:33
Blue Diamond: That's Enough This Is Fighting! *Blocks PSI With Toes* 2:37
Thanks for the vid Lodac!
yw
People should've went to this video instead of mine, nice working covering this stuff.
jirachey
Wow thanks!
Even though I don't owe ultimate I love that my baby boi ness fot so many changes TvT
Pink Angel
Bro like get the game
Technically every moves with PSI Particules that Ness and Lucas cast already have pk names written on Official Stretegy book or In Game, for exemple Lucas Up smash is name PK Shash Geyser since atleast smash 4, Ness dash attack in melee was named PK Push, but then was change for PK Hand Stamp in ultimate. My last exemple will be that they both have thier throw named PK Throw. Theses info are easy to find on the internet or in game
RIP mole crickets pp
Thanks for this PSI analysis
I'm thinking M3 made flash green based on Melee, which is where Ness first had it in smash. as to why it's green there, maybe they saw it was going to be green in EB64, or just made it green instead of white to stand out a bit more. Or possibly sakurai or somone else on the team thought of the "pale green light" enemies like the kraken used and attributed it to flash, since those enemies also use flash
PK Love is Lucas's True Final Smash. Others are just Standart PSI Attack. But PK Love is Kind of non existing unused content.
0:36 HE DIDN'T HAVE A PEEPEE
So beautiful
Thank you so much for posting this...
Sketch the Anigriffin
It was my pleasure!
Extra thing, Ness' PK Starstorm is slightly stronger than Lucas' because Earthbound has two stages, Starstorm Alpha and the stronger (but ultimately pointless) Starstorm Omega, while Mother 3 only has Starstorm Alpha.
Ness will make a Fire inferno
great video! ive seen you in Kids from Eagleland
Wait, wasn't PK Flash green in Melee, 5 years before Mother 3? I know it was in devolpment during that time but I beleive Melee is it's first appearance as being green. Correct me if I'm wrong plz.
It was green actually, you’re right
Okay, let's take a moment and say that this ......
Is epic..
Your profile pic is epic
Whaat how did I get on a Lodac video!?
idk man it just kinda happens
Pk fire gamma in earthbound is imo the closest to the smash texture
Wait, you're the guy who did all those MOTHER 3 Extensions!
4:32 I’m pretty sure flash in mother 3 was green because it was green in smash
Also, the reason why pk flash is green, is becauss pk flash gamma (in earthbound) you can see some greenish turquoise?
Neat discovery!!!!
Me before playing Mother: huh now the Smash games have two weird element kids
Me after playing Mother: dude why didn't they add Duster instead
I don't think the PK Flash being green is a reference to Mother 3. It's been like that since all the way back in Melee, which came out before Mother 3.
Are we not going to talk about how ness could have survived WoL if he used teleport a?
Lodac nice video for PSI
I have lucas and ness unlocked
I love their psi but reckvering with pk thunder is kinda hard
00:03:58 PSI Magnet Omega doesnt sound correctly. Type: Video bug report
yeah thats a video error
happens sometimes
NICEU NICEU! VERY NICE LODAC-CHAN!
Great detail
Remember to slaughter that like button, boys
Oh yes we will :P
lodac
*pin me daddy*
(no homo)
n :)
I feel bad for that mole cricket...is that normal?
well.. yes
Great video!
its so sad they put in lucas over kumatora... he pretty much only uses her psi too :(
UPDATE: Lucas's PSI has been changed from pink to blue now to match PK Love more closely!
???DesFox ???
I heard, I’ll make a vid during thanks giving at some point
Lodac77 nice, I also forgot to mention, Lucas's starstorm background is now the one seen in the masked man battle in mother 3
???DesFox ???
I also saw that too, good eye though!
Lodac77 Thanks!
In brawl doesn't ness say "PK Pulse" When you use his neutral Special?
its pk flash but the voice actor has an accent
Hiiii I'm Ness :)
Nesslover 106
Omg is that the real ness earthbound?!
@@Lodac77 yes it's me :)
The details
Mother 2 forever
0:00 music?
"What Can You Do In Mother 4?"
@@Lodac77 yes!
so does psi magnet ness hurt people now or nah
yes it does but its more like this.
say someone stepped inside the magnet field. and you know how the field pulses and the psi effects emit outwards? The psi effects or lines whatever you call them, every time they pulse out the hitbox activates and pushes the opponent halfway out of the field. Its about as fast as ness' new pummel from the release build of the game.
Woah dude
Does anyone knows a tutorial for backgrounds like Earthbound?
like are you saying the backgrounds for when you enter a battle because then this is for you ua-cam.com/video/zjQik7uwLIQ/v-deo.htmlsi=bzvLclF9PQoqChTn
Yo, whered you get that ending song?
T-SHYGUY
It’s a video by Siivagunner and it goes by the name of the original song. Coffee break
You’ve Come Far, Ness
What is the intro music
Hmmm 😏 guess what I have pre order smash bros Ultimate
Anime Kid
Get the switch bundle if you don’t have a switch or if you do get the special edition
Lodac77 I do have Nintendo switch
Anime Kid
Then you should get the special edition it’s good
Totally random but I fucking hate PSI/PK Thunder so much bro 😭 it almost always misses
Yey ness 4life
I will main ness as long as I'm "earthbound"
Ness is the best
Period
Oh also I made a newer version of this video check it out ua-cam.com/video/hlv4Nz9Fiyg/v-deo.html
It has lucas’ new psi effects
I hate Ness players. Lucas is the best of the two. ZeRo said it himself
CatTV14-11 MEEE
Zero doesn’t make the rules. Lucas and ness are more different than each other this time around, both sides have seen buffs and nerfs so don’t get your hopes up.
FIGHT ME
They are both good even though I'm a lucas main