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- Scott Pye and Co host Elliot Barbour break down round 5 of the Supercars Championship in Darwin. There were shunts, penalties and of course the case of who forgot how to driver returned for many. We also give our predictions ahead of the Next round in Townsville and discuss how Supercars should let drivers race each other more aggressively.
Scott Pye Is Awesome
Maybe Supercars does watch the pod, they just announced a new tyre compound test.
You guys do a great job of analysing what was a pretty straightforward race, I like to think I'm a pretty switched on fan, but so much that you talked about I didn't pick up at all lol.
Regarding session formats, I can understand Darwin, Perth, and NZ getting the cars on track for 3 days, the diehard local fans kinda deserve that. Same with all the practice sessions at Bathurst, it's always cool seeing a car rip across the mountain, and it's cooler if it's a V8.
Good pod again guys 👍
Haha who knows! Appreciate it and we’re glad you’re enjoying the pod!
Format I’d like to see…
Friday 2 x 30 min prac sessions
Sat morn 2 x 20 min qualifying sessions
Sat arvo 2 x 30 - 40 min approx length races
Sun morning knockout stage qualifying
Sun lunch top ten shootout
Sun arvo 200-250 km race
Hi guys, I don't think I'm knowledgeable enough on the ins and outs of the sport to ask any intelligent questions or make any insightful comments, but just wanted to say I'm loving the podcast. Especially these debriefs post race weekend :) Keep it up!
Haha neither are we 😂 Appreciate the support!
Does anyone else feel the tyre design is the elephant in the room? Scott, you have done years on this rubber, when a tyre has to be babied so much and it gets heat effected so easily, how can the racing be "energetic"? What do you think?
Best Regards, David Brown.
Hey Mate, yep the tyre is average and often the super soft tyre has less deg than the soft which goes against everything it should be intended for. I tested the GoodYear they are looking at going to and I thought it was a step in the right direction. Hopefully we see a change soon. SP
@@apexhuntersunited that is good news. When you see other categories able to race hard without the fear of tyres falling off fast, there is more interest I think. Thanks for the reply. DB
1. have more races
2. Get better Tyres that can last 30 laps at speed
3. Make the cars stronger
4. Allow a bit of contact
5. Less practice and qualifying, more racing
6. Less Mark Skaife talking all over the racing
7. Let more of the drivers' personalities shine through
8. Allow the driver to voice opinions
Look at svg now compared to supercars
Just my opinion
Being a home spectator I find the coverage incredibly limited. Supercars being the top tier touring car racing with tons of tech, limits home viewers to a very tunneled 2D view. I'd really like to be able to select/watch a driver's eye view, watch virtual eye track positioning, some telemetry data that's allowed to be public (gear/brake/throttle? etc), and an alternate audio track that has no commentary, or teams radio only? I personally am biased to drivers, not really car make or a team, but the coverage is very limited. There seems to be on-track packages to purchase, but nothing for those at home prepared to have a better experience. We have driver's eye and rarely ever see it? Living in NZ on-track is only reasonable a few times a year.
Should have a 20 minute practice and straight to qualifying. Q1,Q2,Q3 style. Need a tyre that can get flogged without falling off a cliff and some tube section around the wheel house.
the top ten shootout was the best thing from the event. The races were a total snooze fest of tyre management red bull fandom fluff. Disappointing Golding couldn't convert but shows huge potential. Chaz was super impressive and drove it SVG/Ingall style through the field on sat which didnt get enough coverage of his passes as again supercars obsessed following Red Bull.
I’m with Scott RE Brodies comment saying I hope they get on top of it.
I would personally extend the Supercars season by adding races in Phillip Island, Newcastle, Calder Park, Oran Park, Tailem Bend, Queensland Raceway, Canberra, Wellington and Port Moresby, and would also create a Women's Supercars Championship.
In my opinion, the longer season and Women's Championship would be terrific value for sponsors, broadcasters, and fans.
Love the ideas for format change ! Here’s my opinion as an avid fan, I’d love to see the reverse grid race bought back ! I get that the teams would hate the repair bill afterwards but they were super exiting to watch back in the day. Thoughts,pros cons ect ?
That's something I've also thought about. I realise it has the potential for absolute carnage, but from a spectator perspective it would be fab to have it back!
If we want to talk format, didn't the Darwin Triple Crown used to be 3 races? Like, that was kind of the point of calling it a triple crown? Using qualy to make up for it was just silly.
I was so lost, I was *convinced* I missed something. I don't get why the change occured
Only two races should have been Top 10 and two race wins Broc would have won it... Go back to 3 races and one Top 10 no Practice Sat Sun...
Triple crown was winning the pole and the 2 races if I recall correctly
@tnarg27 it was provisional pole and the two races this year. But it used to be three races.
Yep this was super confusing. It was provisional pole and the two races. So technically not even the bloke that got pole. Personally Broc should have been given the triple crown.
Great episode guys. Format change for $upercars needs to change for variance. Mix of Soft / Hard Tyre only races over the weekend. Chook lotto draw before every race where 1 car gets an extra 100rpm, or a 10kgs reduction, or 2-5mm increase in gurney flap. Vary the support categories who go out before $upercars so track evolution is a variance. As for as street circuit chat goes, I hate the idea. All that funding goes to 4-5 categories for one weekend a year. It compromises young driver development by not giving them the opportunity to race permanent infrastructure, & albeit Sims are good, seat time on any track makes for better drivers.
Another great episode thanks lads
Saturday, Chas chose 4 tyres, Sunday everybody went 4 tyres. Saturday should be something like 2 x 1hr sprint races, or 1 x45 min race and 1x 75 min race (so that it requires different tactics) and Sunday a 2 hour race, with maybe no CPS, with fuel (not compulsory drop) deciding the strategy, and the teams deciding whether or not to change tyres. This will then put the race in the control of the teams without a contrived format. Just my 5 cents worth.
Need to get either Baird or Skaife of the show or actually both at the same time and go through exactly what needs fixing to make the racing better not a snoozefest.
Any chance of getting Bairdo on?
Not sure whether he could share his opinion as freely as you'd like but it would definitely be interesting to hear it from his side of the table. What changes he might make like you were talking about with the time penalties/drive throughs. Whether he'd be happy to give the drivers a bit more freedom to self police.
Question for you two, what are your thoughts on international wildcards like you've got now with Supercars drivers going over to do NASCAR or would you rather it was younger drivers coming through Super 2 & the other support categories getting a chance like Cooper Murray this weekend?
As always loving these pods, debrief format is really good. Was good to see Shane in the side cast on Sunday too. Keep it up lads.
Would like to see an interview with Pete X from Nulon and the Grove boys.
Love to see Ambrose on to talk about Shane and their relationship…. Also love to get some team owners on. Ask then how they would grow the sport so more races can happen. Got to get Brodie on. Love to see he and Pete on together.
Love the Pod fellas. Keep the episodes coming 👌
Thanks a lot!
Loving the Pod, On format - 2 days only: Sat and Sun Morning elimination style Quali dropping the bottom 9 in 10 min/ 5 min gap / bottom 10 in 8 mins / 5 min gap 10 min Top 10 shoot out for pole. No practice for the weekend. Can we get a better tyre ?
Thanks mate. Love the ideas, it would be cool to see the category experiment with different formats and then look at the feedback. There are so many options out there to spice it up. Yep, they need to improve the tyre. More mechanical grip would improve the racing and then a tyre thats not so heat effected in dirty air, you spend half the time nursing the tyre rather than pushing. Conserving tyres from the moment you leave the pits is a shit idea.
Great podcast again everyone.
Agree so much with you all that the format does need a change for Supercars.
Some guests suggestions:
Peter Xiberras (Team Owner and Drag Racer) would be great to hear why he wanted to get involved in Supercars
Maybe some other crew members of any team. To talk about there prep for weekends and so on.
Keep up the great content gents.
Hey Scott, do we need to give all the guys in the shootout a set of greens? Seemed like a waste of time having a shootout where only 5 guys had new boots.
It would be great to see everyone in the shootout have a crack on green tyres yes. This is a good point though. In qualifying the faster guys can save a set often which just ensures the fast cars have an even bigger advantage in the shootout. It would be cool to limit the use of tyres in qualifying to two sets or even 1 and if you don’t make the shootout you have fresh tyres for the race.
I Prefer To Put All The Blame On The Driver, Because In Nascar Way Too Many Drivers Get Away With Blaming Equipment When The Problem Is Them
Reason for the overiding wheels is the very soft crush zone in rear lower quater panels. There is nothing protecting that area at all. There needs to be a carbon brace on all four corners.
Compared to the dry Nascar coverage, I much prefer the Supercars TV coverage itself in terms of pit and technical commentary. To me, unless it translates to an extra race, just dont watch Friday practice instead of whinge about it. That's for fans at the track i feel.
Another awesome episode guys, One of my biggest problems with the telecast these days is the very obviously fake advertising signage superimposed over the track. Like I get that supercars needs to sell space to make money but the very obvious fake digital signage makes the whole thing look amateur hour. If they went and bought some of the digital advertising boards the NRL are using it would make the category look somewhat professional. Are supercars just happy doing something they know and are scared of change or do they generally not care how the product looks at home on tv??
Yeah, never been a fan of that crap. The faded signs around lakeside exude character, and you can still make out the cigarette sponsorship.
Love the pod guys personally shoot out highlight of weekend closely followed by friday drive from track to CDB worst racing for long time sunday was extremely boring
Hey guys I have mentioned this before but would like to here your reasons why you don't think a diff would make a difference to the racing. Both Roland and Paul think it would and the first thing Will said about the difference between nascar and supercars is that nascars turn
On a format, I'd like to see a longer race needing a fuel drop with 2 or more stops for tires but no compulsory fuel drop amount. Play the strategy on the tires, short fuel your car to begin with, or run deep with full tanks
I Love Seeing Team 18 And Premi Air Running Well
It’s always good seeing smaller teams do well. They often work harder than bigger teams so deserve the rewards!
My $0.02….
1. Races were too short. Another 15 laps to stretch out tyre life and let strategies play out. Plus we wait for weeks for a race and get two 50 minute races.
2, Supercars need a main “hype”commentator. A Matt white or Leigh Diffey type. Skaife and co can add their expert comments around it. It’s too calm in the booth,
3. Supercar fans arenegative nancies. It’s killing the category when it’s actually a great product.
as a Track side official of 20 years i'm happy to come on and talk some stuff to you if want haha :P
100% they are watching. The problem with the people who run the show at Supercars is they have a very insular way of looking at things. Some races should be a three day format.
Bathurst is a perfect example. Adelaide, Albert Park and Surfers may be others that fit that mould. The rest should be two day events. The lack of ability to alter the cars may make for better racing in those two day events.
only saw highlights. what happened to the plp for 888 on sunday for the restart? They never mentioned it again
I love a 2 day weekend idea. The biggest issue with the sport imao is that field spreads out after 5 laps, how does the sport get more passing happening and keep the field congested and more really tough battles that last 20 laps. Remember seton and kelly 05 Adelaide or skaife and ingall in 04 at estern creek? Those battles went on for lap after lap after lap. Thats what the sport needs more of.
Except if I’m traveling all the way to Darwin for only a 2 day event, then it’s likely a no go for me.
Like the Gold Coast, head down Thursday night and leave Monday making an event and trip away out of it. At the track for all 3 days regardless off V8’s are on or not - if V8’s aren’t on, gives more reason to be able to see the track at different areas other than grandstand seat and infield activations etc without missing any action.
Porsche Carrera Cup, Aussie racing cars and other high level supports etc are all worth watching too. The Friday
Filler rounds (not that any less important to the championship, but are not the headlining events such as Adelaide, Gold Coast, Darwin, Townsville etc) such as Tasmania, SMSP, etc would be suited to 2 day rounds.
@bundyute82 you could be right there. Even with 3 days meets they have way to much practice time
That's exactly the kind of racing we've all been wanting to see for years. How hard is it for supercars to just put a tyre on the car that let's the drivers battle it out like that lap after lap? After following nascar a bit this year I've realised the annoying stage cautions throughout the race actually make the racing better, wondering if supercars implementing this would make the racing a lot better.
Need 3 races Practice Friday Qualifying Top 10 Saturday 1 Race Sunday 2 Qaulify 2 Race... Triple Crown 3 wins... Date change from Le Man's weekend would open up driver OS opportunities and viewers teams with GT programs...
Could the TV rights deal be part of the lack of change with the format? I believe with sports like rugby (both codes) and Aussie rules how many games delivered in a week is mandated. Could it be something around the minimum hours of track time for the supercars?
Back to back weekends don't work in the same region, look what happened with the crowd when they ran a 2nd round at the same location during covid.
I don't really like the top 10 shootout.
I think an extra race instead of it would be more fun to watch.
Would be cool to see each weekend experiment with different formats, agree a shootout at every round could also be boring. Often ends up being the same cars too.
the more i learn of P.A the less i think of him. if he's so passionate why no team? he's a marketer, all he's interested in is getting his brands out there. Nothing he's said that the majority of us haven't. There's a reason the category wants nothing to do with him & i don't blame them.
His way or the highway. He’s like his business, out to get every cent off customers that’s why I changed mobile service providers!!
The thing that makes no sense in Darwin is it's called a triple crown and there's only two races, and the Friday qualifying counts but the sunday doesn't, it all seems a bit hodge podge to the casual observer I feel!
Agree totally. Very strange setup.
Should have been top 10 and 2 races but better just have 3 races and drop some practice and top ten...
Guest request would have to be Tim Edwards.
It may be an engineers car but there’s definitely drivers who are in the forgot/never had it category.
Agree, I think in every sport there are the guys where you ask, how tf did they get there!
Wanneroo should upgrade track and get GT round and maybe alternate in future with street race...
Love the pod cast brings up many parts of the story but SC still is fundamently flawed, yes generally the first 2 laps regardless of where they go may be good hard racing and exciting to watch but then thats it , get on with the mowing , landscaping and come back later to find out who is on the podium and surprise surprise yep its 3 of the top 5 who started at the front. Now that would be great if for the last 2 hrs those 5 had been fighting it out tooth and nail on track and in the pits but pretty much its follow the leader. It used to be nah im ot moving from the tv for the whole race, not anymore.👍
Thanks mate. The short races are super predictable and once the stops are done thats pretty much it. They need to look at that. You're 100% right, theres not much keeping you on the edge of your seat. Luckily the product is still good but there needs to be a shake up of the races to ensure its exciting and unpredictable.
Broc passing move should have got looked at on grass air over kerb and hit car wide surprised didn't get investigation... Flash of lights got reviewed...
Where are you lives available?
Get rid of the VSC, I really don’t like it