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КОМЕНТАРІ • 185

  • @sovietbear1917
    @sovietbear1917 Рік тому +17

    Me: "So Marco has a new video out..."
    My wife: "Are you buying more paints?"

  • @TheCoreus
    @TheCoreus Рік тому +22

    Zinc White is known in the art community as mixing white. Glad that it's being discovered here! It historically has problems in oil paints (if that matters to some of you), as it actually causes cracking when used in layers. However there's not a documented case of that happening in acrylic paints.

  • @ChrisC-xo1ds
    @ChrisC-xo1ds Рік тому +60

    Placed 2nd in my first local paint competition, thanks to your videos and techniques. Please keep making great content. Thanks for what you do... first comment yay !

  • @guillermomelendez7950
    @guillermomelendez7950 Рік тому +53

    Your channel is the best and most complete technical resource library on the internet for painting, and I mean it in general manner all your knowledge is applicable not just for miniatures and hobby, traditional media painters can get so much out of this bounty of colorful insight. Marco you are truly a moder day Master of the chromatic realm, the rainbow sage.

  • @beezany
    @beezany Рік тому +13

    Zinc white is nice for glazing on highlights too! It takes a little practice, as the zinc white can leave milky tide marks (similar to the way brown washes leave coffee stain tide marks). One other thing to be aware of is that zinc oxide is very reactive and can destroy the medium in oil paints, turning the oil into soap.

  • @eddy3722
    @eddy3722 Рік тому +10

    Discovered this by accident for oils when I bought "soft mixing white" just because it was cheaper than titanium white but somehow never even considered an acrylic one before now..Marco making me buy more paint again 😅

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +6

      😁"Make you buy more paint" is my second name!

  • @Musofox
    @Musofox Рік тому +13

    Love the videos Marco! You've been helping me get back into miniature painting after a 20 year break in between life and art school. But, one element to keep in mind, and this is a somewhat recent research from an art conservation perspective, zinc whites, while much softer and more transparent than traditional titanium whites, dramatically increase paint layer cracking and shrinking over time in concentrations greater than about 15% to 20%. So, while this is a good way to get nicer looking tones to your color, it also reduces the lifetime of your paint layers, and increases the likelihood of paint layer failure in the long term. Something for everyone to keep in mind, as I know artists tend not to do a lot of research into the long term consequences of the mediums and pigments they use!

    • @druidobianco9734
      @druidobianco9734 Рік тому +1

      Is this true only for oils or also for acrylics?

    • @saltedllama2759
      @saltedllama2759 Рік тому +2

      @@druidobianco9734 Acrylics are typically water-based and considered thermoplastic, but they can stress or crack in extreme weather exposure, but are otherwise permanent when sealed. Oil paints are considered a permanent medium, with evidence of their value lasting over 500 years in some paintings.

    • @mtozzi92
      @mtozzi92 Рік тому +5

      @@druidobianco9734 Only oils, and even then there are some caveats with it, like it is much more of an issue with thicker layers which we shouldn't generally be using on minis. Not worth worrying about too much imo for mini painting but good to keep in mind still. Nothing I've seen suggests this issue with acrylic though.

  • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
    @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +31

    A recent discovery that is making my color mixing easier, faster and with a better visual output, so cool to deserve its own video! Plus this has a ton of other applications that we'll definitely explore in dozens of future releases 😉Your color mixing life will never be the same! See you in chat at the première 😁

    • @zanmatoshin877
      @zanmatoshin877 Рік тому

      Marco, when using slapchop, do you think denser oilwashes is an option?

    • @AdrianTollis
      @AdrianTollis Рік тому

      Cant you get the same effect as a "mixing white" by using less of a more pigmented white?

  • @barryhill2836
    @barryhill2836 Рік тому +11

    Absolutely awesome informative work as always! Since you did a video on white I'd love to see you do something on black - like the different types of black paints too. Specially the amount of variety of classical artist blacks. That'd be so interesting.

  • @johnaquino7619
    @johnaquino7619 7 місяців тому +1

    00:30 - 00:45
    I think I just learned something new about gradual shifting the saturation level of a color
    and color mixing in general.
    Much more systematic.
    I may have been doing it the hard way before. 😳

  • @TristanChaika
    @TristanChaika Рік тому +1

    I got a bottle of Zinc white a while ago, but wasn’t painting much at the time. Now I’m painting more and discovering it can be a secret weapon for NMM. Golden has a zinc white in their fluid acrylics line, which is what I have. It is also based off pw4 pigment. It is also good, plus it is a little closer to mini paint consistency right out of the bottle.

  • @TheCthogua
    @TheCthogua Рік тому +3

    WOW I've been painting for years and years and never realized there was such a huge difference between the tinting power of Titanium white from different paint lines! That's what sticking with a particular band for too long gets ya! Now you've given me just the excuse I needed to BUY MORE PAINT!!! 😅

    • @hobbyvikingen8278
      @hobbyvikingen8278 Рік тому +3

      Use different paints from different brands. Don't just stick to one brand. Paint brands have different properties. Use interesting colors from different brands. Mix it up!

  • @ProrokLebioda
    @ProrokLebioda Рік тому +2

    Great idea! Less opaque - less impact of white on mix. Thx Marco!

  • @timwelch175
    @timwelch175 Рік тому +2

    Going to be driving when you go live but will be checking it out when I get home. Love when you get all excited to share something new with us. It's usually a good one!

  • @Kungsgeten
    @Kungsgeten Рік тому +2

    Warcolours sells a "mixing white" and also a "mixing black". Might be of interest if you prefer miniature paint viscosity and dropper bottles.

  • @Sh4d0w20
    @Sh4d0w20 Рік тому +3

    titanium white and titanium buff are my go to colors for whites ;) but i use their fluid line - and im really impressed with the highflow ones - especially the transparant line

  • @ralieghwhite9076
    @ralieghwhite9076 Рік тому +4

    Wow! Immediately purchased the W&N Mixing White. This is so amazing! One of my biggest problems lately has been maintaining saturation. Thank you so much!!!

  • @cgsrtkzsytriul
    @cgsrtkzsytriul Рік тому +2

    I’ve been using Golden Zinc White and Bone Black for mixing for a year. I learned about it from reading their website.

  • @LAYzRB
    @LAYzRB Рік тому +5

    I love your videos. I’ve learned so much from the content you make and owe a lot of my progress to your teaching style. So much so I just hosted my very first painting class! Keep being awesome!

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +2

      🤩🤩🤩 Thanks a million!!! Nice, spread the passion for the hobby with the world!!!

  • @TylerProvick
    @TylerProvick Рік тому +1

    I've known about the existance of zinc white for a long time, but this demonstration was enough to make me want to check it out. Knowing and seeing are different things

  • @samcurran1093
    @samcurran1093 Рік тому +3

    Thanks for the video Marco! Would you be interested in doing a video on when you prefer oils over acrylics or vice versa? I would be very curious to hear your opinion on that

  • @meralda5582
    @meralda5582 Рік тому +1

    i bought the windsor and newton one a couple month ago and didn't try it since... now i have a good reason to do it on my white Tau armor! thanks and a good video like always.

  • @bpronka
    @bpronka Рік тому +3

    Hah! I knew it! When I saw the thumbnail I thought “either zinc or WN mixing white”!
    Awesome!
    I haven’t yet got a tube for myself for budgetary reasons, but I knew sooner or later our most beloved paint collector would post something!
    Thanks for sharing, Marco!

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      All the white in the thumbnail was a clue for the art store aficionados 😁

    • @bpronka
      @bpronka Рік тому +1

      ​@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Yes, very true! Your work in foreshadowing the whole thing is fantastic, too!
      It's also good to know zinc white is safe to spray. I saw that Golden's SoFlat has several colors which are not safe to spray... that got me wondering. Cool bonus hehe
      Thanks again, Marco!

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому

      @@bpronka 😉 That's precisely why I went with Liquitex Acrylic Gouache! I use that kind of paint 99.9% with the brush but better safe than sorry

    • @bpronka
      @bpronka Рік тому

      ​@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Thought so! Also many thanks for introducing this line to us! I got a couple of bottles and have some more in my amazon cart heheh They cover so well and are so beautiful and saturated! Amazing colors indeed.
      In due time, I have to give you even more props, Marco. I remember years ago you saying 'notice how UA-cam minipainters are going to start talking about oils after this.'
      Well... you were exactly correct.
      After you started talking about artist grade materials, proper color mixing and exploring different brands and mediums... yet again, the minipainting UA-cam community followed suit not long after.
      Super cool how you've been a figure of influence in our community through influencing content creators and painters alike. It gives me a lot of joy to see these things happen, as I think your painting and presentation style are *so* unique and beautiful...
      How long do you figure before youtube is swept over by Zinc and Mixing white? hehehehe

  • @AbouTheMagnanimus
    @AbouTheMagnanimus Рік тому +2

    A few months ago when I ventured into heavy body acrylics for white, I noticed the zinc white and titanium white. After doing research, I grabbed both. I've been happy I did. And I'm happy to know I'm not crazy after seeing this video.
    Now I just need to see if I can get a soft body ivory black for more fun.

  • @willmendoza8498
    @willmendoza8498 Рік тому +1

    Good to hear a mini painter finall talking about zinc white :)

  • @gedforrest2547
    @gedforrest2547 Рік тому +1

    I discovered this property of Kimera white without having the language or knowledge to understand/describe what was happening, I just knew that the white had "too much *oomph*" about it and I went out to buy a more transparent, easy-going white for mixing (ended up getting a Vallejo Air white). Not sure if that was the right choice but it's certainly more manageable for mixing than the Kimera one.
    Thanks for explaining what and why this was happening!!

  • @justinvenable917
    @justinvenable917 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for sharing the results of your experiments.

  • @vilgespainting
    @vilgespainting Рік тому +1

    WOW! I must run to art store and get W&n Mixing White! You are a wizard!

  • @NYIKAZENO
    @NYIKAZENO Рік тому +1

    The Zinc white was my blending go to back in school, for oil painting. So much less heavy handed than Titanium White!

  • @wurgat
    @wurgat Рік тому +1

    Well now I want a transparent white. Thx again for another great trick. I will have the complet kimera koler range at the beginning of next year and I think this will be of great use when I start doing more mixing. Keep up the great work you do because it is greatly appreciated.

  • @lavoltare6307
    @lavoltare6307 Рік тому

    I am amazed you dont have more followers, you are the best on youtube :)

  • @GreggFellows
    @GreggFellows Рік тому +2

    you should also check out the different blacks for mixing as well, and also the difference between say a cobalt blue hue and cobalt blue, all important if you intend to use them in mixes

  • @monsieurphysiquechimie
    @monsieurphysiquechimie Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the tip.

  • @RobCrawford23
    @RobCrawford23 Рік тому +3

    Have been using Monument transparent white to for the same purpose, reds don't go pink as quickly and orange stays orange.
    makes like a lot easier

  • @prickswithstix1113
    @prickswithstix1113 Рік тому +1

    Thank you!! This is a multi watch video!!!!

  • @artycharr
    @artycharr Рік тому +1

    Thats some contagious enthusiasm!

  • @Ayra_arts
    @Ayra_arts Рік тому +1

    I'll definetly be picking up W&N's mixing white from my local hobby shop.

  • @MaskedRiderChris
    @MaskedRiderChris Рік тому +1

    I have a tube of W&N titanium white that I need to use more often, I think...good video as always, sir!

  • @Wijkert
    @Wijkert Рік тому +2

    Have been using Smincke Heavy Body Titanium White for a while now. It is also much easier to control when mixing (because of the lower pigment density). Also great for creating very small popping highlights (on lenses for example). Not great if you want kind go coverage, but we have other whites for that. Tubes also come in nice low quantities. We hobby painters don't need much more than 35ml.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +2

      I really like the 35ml format! It also makes jumping into art store materials waaay easier!

    • @Wijkert
      @Wijkert Рік тому

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM exactly

  • @zeetos7853
    @zeetos7853 Рік тому +1

    I've just found your channel and I've been watching a few of your videos, really interesting and helpful. BTW my first name is Marco too. I don't usually come across my first name in the U.S., lol. Take care and keep the videos coming.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому

      Welcome to the channel Marco 😁 lol it sounds so strange

  • @BarokaiRein
    @BarokaiRein Рік тому +2

    Goddamnit, I just ordered W&N stuff last night but totally didn't pick this up.
    It's fine, I'll find some excuse to order more soon enough

  • @markgnepper5636
    @markgnepper5636 Рік тому +1

    Great stuff friend 👏 👍
    Thanks

  • @Vertrucio
    @Vertrucio Рік тому +10

    Coming from a classic art background, I'm sad they don't include more info on the small paint pots. But, I think their aim is simplicity.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +3

      No, sadly their aim is to save money 😅

    • @AdrianvanNunen
      @AdrianvanNunen Рік тому +5

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM ...and MAKE money by confusing people about what's "in the pot" so people buy more pre-mixed colours instead of learning to mix from single pigments. I get it that pre-mixed makes it easy for batch painting armies but learning how to mix gives power to the painter! :)

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +3

      @@AdrianvanNunen 👏 that 👏 precisely 👏 that 👏 !

    • @p_serdiuk
      @p_serdiuk Рік тому +1

      @@AdrianvanNunen To be fair this trend started in scale modeling where the most important thing is to make sure the miniature paint closely matches real paint used on real uniforms and armored vehicles, and then it kinda got out of hand with fantasy paints.

  • @photoshopafficionado
    @photoshopafficionado 7 місяців тому

    Interesting info.
    Thanks for the clear explanation

  • @cbradquillen
    @cbradquillen Рік тому +1

    Thanks, Marco :). I hope your little one is doing well :).

    • @cbradquillen
      @cbradquillen Рік тому

      Your love for your child will grow and grow.

  • @carnajom8831
    @carnajom8831 Рік тому +5

    As someone who owns a “mixing white” I think I know where this is going and I feel vindicated! (Edit: oops meant to write this in the live chat 😂)

  • @raphaelle_colors
    @raphaelle_colors Рік тому +1

    Nice :D I want to know more about the uses !
    Thanks Marco for all your work

  • @riccardoboniardi6293
    @riccardoboniardi6293 Рік тому +3

    Random painter: Nooooooooo!!! You can't just make a whole video about only one color!!!
    Marco: hold my brush.

  • @nikotillmann9764
    @nikotillmann9764 Рік тому +1

    When I saw the thumbnail I thought it might be zinc white. Even good old Vallejo Model Color has "White Glaze", which probably is zinc white. 😁

  • @telanth
    @telanth Рік тому +1

    I've always wondered whether zinc white would work and why I never saw it in any video. At least I got the answer on the first question 😘

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +2

      The answer for the second one is that we don't go to proper art stores as much as we should!

  • @y2ace
    @y2ace Рік тому +1

    Learn something new every video

  • @p_serdiuk
    @p_serdiuk Рік тому +2

    Kimera and Scale75 should have included this white in their color theory based sets :(

  • @pintureando
    @pintureando Рік тому +1

    Nice video! thanks for sharing it 😊

  • @bastianniemand7460
    @bastianniemand7460 Рік тому +4

    Anyone seen the maestro? Hope everything is fine? Fingerd crossed

  • @haugtussa8989
    @haugtussa8989 Рік тому

    I need more not just mecha, hope you got a new vidoe for Us soon >D

  • @ericlang7408
    @ericlang7408 Рік тому +2

    Really cool, thanks! It looks indeed like it can make mixing much easier! Looking forward to see some applications. What about black paints? Are there any that darken without overpowering 🤔?

  • @mtozzi92
    @mtozzi92 Рік тому

    Pro acryl has a translucent white which I haven't used personally but seems nice. Createx also has a transparent white which seems like a zinc white although I'm not positive that's the actual pigment. Has a nice consistency out of the bottle for brush painting even though it's made for airbrushing. Some good options out there if you can't get your hands on the ones in the video.

    • @JB__
      @JB__ Рік тому +1

      Also warcolours mixing white is a zinc oxide. Very good paint.

    • @mikkelfrederiksen7835
      @mikkelfrederiksen7835 Рік тому

      Vallejo has a paint called white glaze. Looks and behaves just like zink white.

  • @sergei5879
    @sergei5879 Рік тому +1

    Me: Oh new video! Marco...
    Wife: leave a credit card on a table, now!
    ...

  • @YeeWhoEnterHere
    @YeeWhoEnterHere Рік тому +1

    I wonder if a cheap student acrylic white would do the job of the low opacity white...

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      In that case you just get less of the same pigments with the same properties! Mixing and Zinc White pigments are different and differently treated. They behave and look different and this takes away the chalkiness and the pastelizing effect (that happens even with small quantities of titanium white because of the power of the single little pigments) creating a very different visual and tactile output in the dry layer!

  • @reubenmccallum3350
    @reubenmccallum3350 Рік тому +2

    Watch an NJM video, back to the art store for more, always the same story ;)

  • @mugwart99
    @mugwart99 Рік тому +1

    Though I paint 100% in oils I find lead white the best paint and its a lot more transparent. You can always mix in titanium white if you want to control the opacity. The lead white is incredibly fast drying. Just wear gloves and strict working conditions!

    • @carnajom8831
      @carnajom8831 Рік тому

      I’ve heard it mentioned that it tends to crack though… but thats from canvas artists so perhaps not an issue for minis.

    • @christopherheintz2634
      @christopherheintz2634 Рік тому +1

      Flake white is a beautiful color.

    • @mugwart99
      @mugwart99 Рік тому

      @@carnajom8831 No, it's ivory black that cracks the most. It's also how you paint the painting that effects the cracking. Zinc is the white, I believe, that cracks the most.

    • @carnajom8831
      @carnajom8831 Рік тому

      @@mugwart99 ah, thanks for the correction

  • @HasteHobbies
    @HasteHobbies Рік тому +1

    Wow, thanks for the tip!

  • @onyxdragon6980
    @onyxdragon6980 Рік тому +3

    As someone who has used Zinc White in portrait painting, how did I not think of using it on minis? Thank you!

    • @carnajom8831
      @carnajom8831 Рік тому +1

      I was using it for minis by pure chance because Warcolours have a mixing white as part of their mini paint range and I picked up a bottle.

  • @hansrainerpeitz1160
    @hansrainerpeitz1160 Рік тому +2

    You might want to give the Zinc White from Amsterdam a shot (PW7 instead of PW4) a shot as it is bit less toxic and also the Amsterdam medium is not as glossy as Schmincke.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому

      Interesting!

    • @mikkelfrederiksen7835
      @mikkelfrederiksen7835 Рік тому +1

      Pw7 is zink sulphide white. It is often used in flourescent paints. Pw4 is zink oxide, that is in normal zink white.
      I have tried both, and I dont think there is much difference between the two.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      @@mikkelfrederiksen7835 I'm digging into the topic and yeah it seems PW7 main things are the phosphorescent and electroluminescent properties (plus a good natural transparency). It should have a great luminosity but I'm worried about its lightfastness (usually that's the weak point of fluorescent paints)

    • @mikkelfrederiksen7835
      @mikkelfrederiksen7835 Рік тому

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM Will lightfastness be an issue with white? 🤔 Can it even fade? I dont think it will become more transparent.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      @@mikkelfrederiksen7835 not by itself, and modern whites don't tend to go yellowish, I'm thinking more inside a mix

  • @codemaster6521
    @codemaster6521 Рік тому +1

    Unrelated to the video but your tye best person I can think of, but for white armor would a black prime, grey zenithal, and finished with white layer on top be a good idea?

  • @kobold_ts
    @kobold_ts Рік тому +1

    Schmincke is a brilliant brand, somehow still not well known among the mini painting community. I recommend you try the Schmincke Aero Color paints, especially transparent ones (including white).

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      Yeah, they are not super easy to find outside central Europe, but they have incredible paints, both in the oils and acrylic range (and even their watercolours are amazing!). Recently I'm integrating my Liquitex Heavy Body collection with Schmincke and I couldn't be happier!

    • @kobold_ts
      @kobold_ts Рік тому +1

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM Schmincke Aero Color line is dedicated for airbrush application, pre-thinined, in a bunch of sub-lines (one-coat, candy, metallic etc.). Seriously, give it a try, especially whites and metallics are (in my opinion) way above all similar products from mini painting brands.

    • @AdrianvanNunen
      @AdrianvanNunen Рік тому +1

      I thank Ben Komets for getting me hooked on Schminke Titanium White as an all-purpose white. Love the heavy body and that it doesn't break down into chalk dust when you thin it out.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      @@kobold_ts I have a few random tones and they are really great (I love the opaque yellow!)! One of the local artstores recently added them to their lines aaaaand... You can imagine how it will go 😅😅😅

    • @p_serdiuk
      @p_serdiuk Рік тому

      @@kobold_ts Do Schmincke metallics compete with Vallejo Metal Color and Green Stuff World metallic pigments?

  • @daniellof453
    @daniellof453 Рік тому +1

    Hello Marco 👋 Daniel here! I have a problem with the schminke colour. Also the gouache, the seem to absorb alot of water on my v2 red grass pallet and they lose coverage. What am I doing and how to correct it?

  • @Moxiltws
    @Moxiltws Рік тому

    That's incredibly usefull!

  • @stingray4567
    @stingray4567 Рік тому +2

    Im a simple man. I see Marco, I hit like.

  • @geofffoden9245
    @geofffoden9245 Рік тому +1

    i didn't catch if (for example) highlighting reds, would I still go to orange or I could use the mixing white (or equivalent), or is this mixing white more for providing a slightly lighter tone only and more useful over larger surface transitions?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +2

      You can totally use it to increase your values or highlight in the very same colour range. Red in particular is always tricky and it still doesn't like to be mixed too much but for small increments and every other colour, these work like a charm

  • @BlackKara
    @BlackKara Рік тому +1

    Nice! Thanks for the video :3

  • @johnvanzelm2307
    @johnvanzelm2307 Рік тому

    Marco, My oil washes end up drying with thick crumble deposits in the recesses rather than smooth coverage. Is it because of Gloss varnish? Should I use more of a satin varnish? I am using Daniel Smith and Windsor Newton oils, thinned with white spirit.

  • @Jayroi
    @Jayroi Рік тому +1

    Hoping Amazon hasn’t sold out all of a sudden.

  • @alino61
    @alino61 9 місяців тому

    thnx ..great vid :}

  • @Drhio
    @Drhio Рік тому +1

    Hi Marco, hi everyone, this info Is game changer.
    Has anyone tested the liquitex mixing White? The w&n and prima are rare here. Thanks

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      Thanks a million!!! As general quality Liquitex is very similar to W&N so go for it without second thoughts 😉

  • @gillesdelcourt5003
    @gillesdelcourt5003 Рік тому +1

    Great tip ! Does a white acrylic ink will work as well for creating lighter due to its transparency ?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      Thanks!!! Acrylic ink is usually quite opaque (full black square ⬛ in the scale of translucency) so better as a white opaque "thinner" for other white paints when you need fluidity or a thin layer, still with a good coverage and load of pigments!

    • @gillesdelcourt5003
      @gillesdelcourt5003 Рік тому

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM Indeed this makes perfect sense. I'm new to the wonderful world of artists' paints and I often forget artists' paints provide so much more informations than classic mini paints.

  • @petrsvoboda7893
    @petrsvoboda7893 Рік тому

    Schmincke Akademie range has something called buff titanium light, also called mixing white. Semi-opaque PW7 PW5. Do you think it could be substitute?

  • @JazzToTheTwo
    @JazzToTheTwo Рік тому +1

    Wait how did you airbrush with the mixing white? I didn't know you could airbrush with heavy body acrylics

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому

      You just need to thin them down! And brands like Golden have mediums to help stabilising better the heavy body in more watery mixes 😉

  • @pk-vk3oc
    @pk-vk3oc Рік тому +1

    Thanks Marco! If we’re using a paint like Kimera, can we not just use less of it to achieve the same end result? It sounds like it’s basically just more powerful and therefore better more diluted?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +2

      Mixing and Zinc White are not less opaque because they have less pigment (thing that you obtain mixing less titanium white) but because their pigments are different and differently treated. They behave and look different and this takes away the chalkiness and the pastelizing effect (that happens even with small quantities of titanium white because of the power of the single pigments) creating a very different visual and tactile output in the dry layer! Specifically about the desaturation: of course if you add a drop of paint into a big mass of white you obtain a similar desaturation (still, the tones keep looking more vibrant!) but the point is that the process is waaay more progressive and controllable and in our small applications that extra control can make a real difference

    • @pk-vk3oc
      @pk-vk3oc Рік тому +1

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM Thank you so much maestro :)

  • @neon_necromunda
    @neon_necromunda Рік тому +1

    Thanks for this dude. Do you have any on basic thinning to advanced thing of paints before they go to the final wet pallette? Thanks for everything hope your well Marco.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      That could be a great topic... I don't have anything that specific in archive but I could put something together because it's really a great topic ;)

  • @Mutesque
    @Mutesque 11 місяців тому

    elooo, what would the dilution be for the schminke white if you want to spray it for a zenithal for example?

  • @Vertrucio
    @Vertrucio Рік тому +1

    So here's an interesting question, has anyone tried mixing one of these Mixing White tube paints so that it can be used in a dropper bottle? Tube paints are thick and I'm wondering what's the best thinner or medium to add to get it to that point. Would the dilution make it so that mixable quality is lost?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому

      If you like a precise consistency you can for sure pre-mix. If you are looking for a standard mini paint consistency probably a bit of water is enough to keep the other properties at the same level...

  • @trotterhorsewatsonjr.6668
    @trotterhorsewatsonjr.6668 Рік тому

    I love the accent.....Sooo cool!

  • @NikkiAnnMarie
    @NikkiAnnMarie Рік тому +3

    Excellent video! Forgive my ignorance - would a similar result not be achieved by just mixing in far less titanium white? Or is it because the pigments are transparent that there is something else happening optically? It's hard to fully understand the comparison as it just looks like lower pigment density that results in less tinting
    I understand a lower tinting strength means it's easier to achieve the exact colour you're looking for though, and could see this having much more interesting uses with transparency effects. It's always good when you get excited about something, I'm looking forward to what else you can do with this paint!

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому

      Mixing and Zinc White are not less opaque because they have less pigment but because their pigments are different and differently treated. They behave and look different and this takes away the chalkiness and the pastelizing effect (that happens even with small quantities of titanium white because of the power of the single pigments) creating a very different visual and tactile output in the dry layer! Specifically about the desaturation: of course if you add a drop of paint into a big mass of white you obtain a similar desaturation (still, the tones keep looking more vibrant!) but the point is that the process is waaay more progressive and controllable and in our small applications that extra control can make a real difference

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +2

      Mixing and Zinc White are not less opaque because they have less pigment but because their pigments are different and differently treated. They behave and look different and this takes away the chalkiness and the pastelizing effect (that happens even with small quantities of titanium white because of the power of the single pigments) creating a very different visual and tactile output in the dry layer! Specifically about the desaturation: of course if you add a drop of paint into a big mass of white you obtain a similar desaturation (still, the tones keep looking more vibrant!) but the point is that the process is waaay more progressive and controllable and in our small applications that extra control can make a real difference

    • @mikkelfrederiksen7835
      @mikkelfrederiksen7835 Рік тому +1

      I think the main difference between zink oxide and titanium oxide is in the transperancy. The zink pigment is ten times as transparent as titanium white.
      I am unsure of how this works in layers of paint on a model, but I think it allows the light to penetrate more layers and show more depth. Titanium white is very opaque and mostly just shows the colour of the top layer.
      That is my theory anyway 😅

    • @NikkiAnnMarie
      @NikkiAnnMarie Рік тому

      ​@@MarcoFrisoniNJM That's what I was thinking, thanks for clarifying! It would be interesting to do a comparison between them mixed to achieve a tone of similar value to visualise the difference in saturation of the mixes.
      I've mainly seen zinc/mixing white as a method of using a smaller quantity of expensive paint to achieve a similar colour (i.e, mixing a small amount of cobalt blue into zinc white vs a small amount of titanium white into cobalt blue). I hadn't really considered that the transparency could be utilised independently like this, thanks for sharing your knowledge!

  • @Dreoni_
    @Dreoni_ Рік тому +1

    Does the Galeria version of the W&N work just as well? It has less pigments so you'll have to use more paint. What I don't know is if the colors will be less vibrant

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому

      Yeah they tend to be less pigmented so often vibrancy and luminosity look toned down

  • @bigmandan-hobby
    @bigmandan-hobby Рік тому

    Would this work with oils as well? Is that what the "mixing white" is for?

  • @martins3655
    @martins3655 Рік тому

    Awesome. If I can’t find both products, should I assume other semi-opaque/transparent whites would come close?

  • @sheepamogwolfs
    @sheepamogwolfs Рік тому

    I'm new and don't understand the topic fully yet. Mixing to much white desaturates the colors yes. If I mix a color with only a tiny tiny bit of normal white should do the same effect as mixing it with a normal amount of the "new" white of the video right?
    Thanks for all the cool videos.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      Mixing and Zinc White are not less opaque because they have less pigment but because their pigments are different and differently treated. They behave and look different and this takes away the chalkiness and the pastelizing effect (that happens even with small quantities of titanium white because of the power of the single pigments) creating a very different visual and tactile output in the dry layer! Specifically about the desaturation: of course if you add a drop of paint into a big mass of white you obtain a similar desaturation (still, the tones keep looking more vibrant!) but the point is that the process is waaay more progressive and controllable and in our small applications that extra control can make a real difference

    • @sheepamogwolfs
      @sheepamogwolfs Рік тому +1

      Ok now I understand it much better thank you. You mentioned that in the video and I should have listened better or watched it again.
      You are awesome 😁

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      @@sheepamogwolfs don't worry at all, here we are definitely in a realm of subtle differences and the filter of the camera hides a ton of little things!

  • @Annihilator27
    @Annihilator27 Рік тому

    So only use one of these mixing whites? I got confused when you brought up two whites to mix with a color

  • @cindykee3719
    @cindykee3719 Рік тому +1

    Have you compared the Golden Heavy Body or Fluid Zinc White to these? I would be curious how it would match up as a mixing white as it's much more available to me.

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      Everything from Golden is absolutely amazing! I always give priority to availablity when choosing products but the beauty of these high end brands is precisely that they all deliver reliable high quality results 😉

  • @billymiles24
    @billymiles24 Рік тому +1

    i'd like to support you on patreon, but before i do, i'd like to know if the real-time video footage on patreon are subtitled/captioned?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому

      Thanks man! There's no dialogue in those; all the important concepts are in the YT version and I use the real time for the hand movements and the little visual things

  • @Easy_Mode_Minis
    @Easy_Mode_Minis Рік тому

    Notice you use Molotw a lot, any must have Molotow colours you would suggest? :D

  • @JorenMathews
    @JorenMathews Рік тому

    Is there a difference between using transparent white, as compared to using less of an opaque white?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому

      Mixing and Zinc White are not less opaque because they have less pigment but because their pigments are different and differently treated. They behave and look different and this takes away the chalkiness and the pastelizing effect (that happens even with small quantities of titanium white because of the power of the single pigments) creating a very different visual and tactile output in the dry layer! Specifically about the desaturation: of course if you add a drop of paint into a big mass of white you obtain a similar desaturation (still, the tones keep looking more vibrant!) but the point is that the process is waaay more progressive and controllable and in our small applications that extra control can make a real difference

  • @MegaDeathToaster
    @MegaDeathToaster Рік тому +1

    Reckon you’ll use that for zenithal coats in the future?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому

      Definitely for everything with a brush! Diluting an heavy body for airbrush use is a bit time consuming so realistically I'll keep it for later stages/delicate stuff and stick with ink for the foundational work where that smoothness is not so important

  • @adamnguyen7943
    @adamnguyen7943 Рік тому

    But does this tinting intesity of different whites basically amount to proportions of paints used? Meaning - can I achieve the same results with Kimera White as the other two by simply using a much smaller amount?
    Cheers

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому

      It's not about pigments concentration but about pigments properties!

    • @adamnguyen7943
      @adamnguyen7943 Рік тому

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM So the whites are fundamentaly different and no amount of proportion tweaking of ratios in mixes when using kimera white will allow me the same results of brightening the color without loosing saturation as with the other two?

  • @royalecrafts6252
    @royalecrafts6252 Рік тому +1

    Schmincke has a Transparent Zinc White Acrylic Ink, thanks me later

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому

      Grabbed it a couple of weeks ago! Amazing!!!

    • @royalecrafts6252
      @royalecrafts6252 Рік тому

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM awesome man, its the only brand that has it in ink form as far as I know

  • @jozefmiske8580
    @jozefmiske8580 Рік тому

    So W&N mixing white or schmincke transparent white are right one?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому

      Any Zinc or mixing white from any artist range! These just happen to be the ones that I found locally 😉

  • @gomezzara_art
    @gomezzara_art Рік тому

    I was checking, it is safe to use Zinc White overall for our hobby? Was checking is quite toxic! D:

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      Don't eat it (thing that you shouldn't do with any colour, no matter how safe the label claim it to be!) and it's fine 😉

    • @gomezzara_art
      @gomezzara_art Рік тому

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM Oh sure, but i wonder, for brush lickers out there and Airbrush fans...? Hahah

  • @N9ne88
    @N9ne88 Рік тому

    Could you not get the same result by mixing a lesser volume of the stronger white? If not, could you explain why?

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      Mixing and Zinc White are not less opaque because they have less pigment (thing that you obtain mixing less titanium white) but because their pigments are different and differently treated. They behave and look different and this takes away the chalkiness and the pastelizing effect (that happens even with small quantities of titanium white because of the power of the single pigments) creating a very different visual and tactile output in the dry layer! Specifically about the desaturation: of course if you add a drop of paint into a big mass of white you obtain a similar desaturation (still, the tones keep looking more vibrant!) but the point is that the process is waaay more progressive and controllable and in our small applications that extra control can make a real difference

    • @N9ne88
      @N9ne88 Рік тому +1

      @@MarcoFrisoniNJM Thank you for the reply! That makes perfect sense. I'm still new to painting (Hobbyist for 1 year now!) and know very little about mixing and colour theory and even less about paint consistency and texture. Thanks for giving me a push in the right direction with your videos, and for the nudge with the reply!

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  Рік тому +1

      It's a pleasure 😊 Here we are in the territory of the subtle (visual) differences that become difficult to see and explain through a camera but everything makes more sense after a few experiments!

  • @lauralaladarling3775
    @lauralaladarling3775 2 місяці тому

    Is this for artist's oil paint? Xxx

    • @MarcoFrisoniNJM
      @MarcoFrisoniNJM  2 місяці тому

      Any medium or brand! This one in particular is acrylic paint 😊