The problem with post-Lucas Star Wars, even the good stuff, is it doesn't feel like it's a coherent universe anymore and instead feels like a group of kids with lego star wars smashing things together with no plan
I don't get that at all from Rogue One or Andor, or Bad Batch tbh. Maybe the early stuff. But Book of Boba Fett was explicitly that, according to Robert Rodriguez. He basically said "we're like kids with our toys except we get to make it into a TV show" which I agree that kind of mindset hurts the direction of star wars more than it helps
@FormerlyDuck they're honestly abt the same. Prequel era EU like CWMMP was VERY coherent. Before like the early 90s, they were kinda just doing whatever. Disney also contradicts itself and retcons itself all the time
Most of us have been saying for years that Disney/Lucasfilm and their lackeys don't understand Star Wars. The creator just basically confirmed it. I've always known, deep down, that George can't stand what they've done to Star Wars.
It seems like a consistent trend among big name franchises (especially Science Fantasy/Fiction) in recent decades. And it's not just limited to the American film and entertainment industry, we've seen it happen in places like Europe and Japan too. Evangelion is one a notable example of a non-American franchise to receive similar treatment of "dumbing down" for the sake of the dreaded "wider audience" whilst throwing in loads of mindless action and nostalgia pandering (with some character assassination's/poorly thought-out writing along the way). Nothing is sacred and never was. When the studios and producers adopt the mentality of "this is a consumer product, so that's the priority" that's usually coincides with the art of such projects dying out.
The mysticism of SW started going away when Midiclorians were introduced, and a bit named Anakin was brought into existence without a male contribution.
@@rickbase833maybe this is head canon but part of that was to show the Jedi had lost that sense of mysticism in the order and they is why they were so easily manipulated. Qui-gon was the example of what a Jedi was supposed to be instead of the council which had lost its way.
@@rickbase833nah. Zahn introduced the Ysalamiri as a get-away card from anything Force related all the way back in 1991. Anakin's story on the other hand is very much a morality tale
It’s always so reassuring to hear from The Maker. I absolutely love his response to the sexism accusation. The second paragraph felt like a reaction to Rey’s reception.
@@EnclaveArtimas This may be difficult to fathom but I like the Star Wars I like and I don't like the Star Wars I don't like. Has nothing to do with how old I was the time it came out.
@@EnclaveArtimas I watched 95% of all Star Wars content in the span of about 3 years in my early twenties so yes, childhood nostalgia might be a mighty force in my case.
During my work, I had the opportunity to talk to many Star Wars fans. Some of them knew George Lucas personally, and ultimately, most people realized that they loved Star Wars because it reflected its creator. Even the most hostile fans acknowledge that, despite their frustration with the special editions and the prequels, Star Wars was the vision of a single author. Now, with Disney in charge, everything has changed: the company philosophy, the leadership, even the people on the board. That's where Star Wars has changed. It was once a unique contradiction-a family company making billions of dollars, selling toys and merchandise worldwide, without the backing of a major corporation. An independent company. Now, it's like the Trade Federation, with a different spirit, different values, and a different approach. With Lucas, it was three years of meticulous craftsmanship. With Disney, it's two years of industrial moviemaking. In the end, it may look the same, but it's not the same production, not the same level of detail or application. As Obi-Wan said, "Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them."
I wish it looked the same. They can't even get *that* right But yeah, you're right. Lucasfilms is this in name only. Lucasarts is already dead and gone. Lucasfilms similarly is dead and gone. It's a Theseus's ship situation where all the boards were replaced. Same can be said for Star Wars. Same name, different franchise. Personally I've gotten to the point where I don't really want it, even if it were good. Because even at its highest quality, it's not the Star Wars I grew up with, and it's not the community I mingled with.
I would say its about the lack of respect for Lucas' vision and the desire to put their own stamp on Star Wars. Some of that is normal, writers and directors are creative people and they don't want to carbon copy what's come before. But you do have to understand a thing before you can iterate on it, and that's something Disney completely failed to do. I see no reverence or respect for the property, only arrogance and a belief they can do "better". Having said that, this is what happens when you sell a dream for money unfortunately. I don't blame Lucas in any way, he had the right to sell and enjoy the fruits of his labor. Fans have to vote with their dollars if they want change from Disney, but even then I think the company is so lost in its own world that its easier to simply blame others for failures rather than take a good honest look in the mirror.
@@Blackened30 That's just the entirety of Hollywood. Cinema keeps failing all around them and they still refuse to recognize they're the problem. It's exactly what you said. They're arrogant, pompous nobodies who want to make a name for themselves, but lack the creativity or talent to do so of their own means, so they latch onto more successful properties and drain them like the leeches they are
Bit of a problem in your spiel: Legends. People bitch about Filoni regarding TCW, but fail to realize Lucas was breathing down his neck most of the time. TCW being different from the multimedia project shows just how badly Legends reflected Lucas' vision. And the consistency of canon is one of the main reasons, as it means any lorepoint introduced sonewhere for plot convenience or author appeal can warp the whole thing. Case in point when Drew Karpyshyn superimposed his version of the Rule of Two, it was not only in contradiction to what the Sith are and how they operate, it overwrote Lucas' in Legends. Many fans take it for granted it's the correct one. And when making it a secret doctrine made Yoda's words in tPM a plot hole it was explained Yoda knew all along the Sith were still around and was just keeping secrets. At the extreme, Legends is written by the kinds of people that look at the Father trying to maintain Balance between his children as a metaphor for Balance of the Force, and think HP Lovecraft.
@@mpnuorva I'm not sure what you mean to say exactly, but I will say that the EU was never meant to fit with Lucas's vision. It's just a lot of fans took it for granted that it was *the* Star Wars, to the point where some prefer the EU over even the movies. It's best to remember that the EU and George's timeline (TCW before Disney) are separate timelines, and so is Disney canon of course. They're three different timelines, not two.
Not everything in movies needs to be diverse anyways. Reality isnt always diverse nor does it need to be and there is nothing wrong with that or inherently bad.
People that demand everything to be diverse really are the same ones that don't live outside of Western countries these people would be surprised at how not racially diverse a place like a Japan, China, India various African countries really are. I'm not even saying we can't have diverse things if it's written well that's all that really matters in the end but these people needs to stop acting like they're God's gift to mankind because they gave us more not white people in something.
Careful. That kinda talk can get you on a watchlist these days Seriously speaking though, you are definitely right, but the people you're trying to convince are stubborn and childish.
Careful. I wouldn't describe the prequels as "timeless". Robot armies fighting clones.....Midiclorians.....senatorial debates.....and film direction that made renowned actors look wooden on screen. Oh and why would Padme stay with an immature brat with mommy issues? Even after learning he massacred a whole tribe of Tusken Raiders.....women and children too?
@@rickbase833 Tuskins are seen a savage animals in the Star Wars universe. People acting like Padme thought he slaughtered helpess civilized people. He essentially slaughtered rabid dogs, as they see it. (As she witnessed in Ep1 and was told in Ep2) Maybe Star Wars fans who dislike the Prequels need to use a modicum of those brain cells to think of other possibilities rather than, "oh it's just bad because I don't like it."
I love how everyone hated Lucas during the prequels. And then he left, which is what everyone claimed they wanted, and almost immediately they wanted him back. I wasn't one of those people. I saw STAR WARS when it came out. And I loved the prequels. Because I wanted George Lucas' version of STAR WARS. But perhaps this is the ultimate lesson Lucas has taught most STAR WARS fans: Don't be so sure what you think you want is better than what you have.
I never did I only hate his stance on the originals and their suppression. I would have preferred a sequel trilogy with Mark, Carrie and Harrison though. I'm honest I never really felt the prequel story needed to be told it was backstory, the propulsive action was in moving the story forward, having Luke train the next generation of Jedi to restore democracy and face the next threat. But ultimately, George felt like the story of Anakin and Kenobi was the real connective tissue to bring it all together he never wanted to do more Luke adventures.
Having been 8 years old in 77 and having had Star Wars be such a big part of my childhood and life really, “something is lost” may be the best way to describe it disney-star wars now. Over the years I’ve both rationally and emotionally tried to describe it. I understood SOME of the criticisms of the PT but for me the important elements of what made Star Wars what is was were NOT lost. The story very much fit and lead to the OT. I loved the PT. Most of disneys version has not. Lost indeed. Just a sci fi show with a “Star Wars” sticker slapped on it by someone who didn’t “get” , understand or even feel those elements to begin with. Most of disney Star Wars was not made for me, sometimes to the point of even being told that, but also maybe the PT and OT were t made for the people working on it and some of the fans of it now.
Who is Disney Star Wars even made for at this point? Because it seems to me it's made for people who don't want it. Well, all I know is *I* don't want it. I figured that out watching Ahsoka. It wasn't when I watched the Last Jedi, the worst movie to ever exist. It wasn't when I watched Rogue One or Andor, the most Anti-Star Wars you could ever get... I figured it out while watching an above average show made by someone who should've known what Star Wars was about... I figured it out when I saw Dave Filoni ignore all the established lore in favor for jumping to a whole different galaxy to the one we loved. That's when I figured out I bought tickets for the wrong movie, so to speak, because everyone else was watching on like this was okay. But I checked out, and it was okay. Because I wasn't checking out of Star Wars, I was just leaving whatever that was behind. They really just get Star Wars wrong on every single level, every single one of them, including Dave Filoni. I'd rather watch Star Wars.
Hayao Miyazaki age 83. GOING STRONG. George Miller age 79 years of age. GOING STRONG. Jim Davis age 71 years old. GOING STRONG. John Lindley Byrne age 73 years. GOING STRONG. Michael Whelan age 73 years. GOING STRONG. Vicente Segrelles is 83 years of age. GOING STRONG. Yoshitaka Amano is 72 years of age. GOING STRONG. George Edward Barr is 87 years of age and GOD BLESS HIS SOUL. GOING STRONG. Roger Dean is 79 years of age. GOING STRONG. Mick Jagger is 80 years old and still GOING STRONG. Keith Richards is 80 years old and still GOING STRONG. I could go on and on adding to this list and each of these artists have made their foundation based on MERIT, imagination, creativity, passion for craftmanship, skills, MASS OUTPUT, distinctive styles, personal artistic aesthetics time and time again. Let me put this in a way that can be understood to contrast *GEORGE LUCAS* against Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy and cohorts. George Lucas is the only one who understands STAR WARS LORE and the Jedi Bendu and the Sith and so on like he understood the mechanics and science of automobiles especially of the racing variety. Bob, Kathleen, J.J. Abrams, Rian Johnson, Leslye Headland, etc. are not there and never will be. These people are not good stewards they're devaluing this franchise.
I think you succeeded more in contrasting a guy who hasn't made movies in decades with true artists who haven't lost their craft (or sold their work for major bank) Lucas isn't even in the league of individuals like Miyazaki or even George Miller now - he's a dinosaur.
@@moderndancingfool Has any of them made Star Wars or any thing like it? Which Goerge was "making" media upto the bad batch with Dave Faloni so I doubt if he wanted to come out of reteerment etheir as an advisor or even director he very well could... But that's the trick he doesn't because he's reteered... So people don't want to work till they die... My grandpa had a once in the life time chance to serve as cheif of supply on the USS Iowa as her first choice when she came back under Ragon... He said no because he was reetered... Some people are just that way.
@@moderndancingfool George has contributed to the craft as much as all these legends if not more. Just because he retired at the age of 70 (that's past the age of retirement btw), doesn't mean he's any lesser than them, and you must have some personal issues to think otherwise
You forgot to add Dave Filoni to the list of cohorts. He may be a bit more competent than the rest of them, but at the end of the day, he doesn't understand Star Wars much better.
Is it really surprising that George doesn't care for Disney's Star Wars films? Say what you will about him, George made the movies he wanted to make. Yes there were some missteps and stumbles and yes, it took the work of many to make the films into what they were, but at the end of the day Star Wars was his. He invested his mind, heart, and decades of his life into making these films. That kind of passion isn't just about making money, it comes from a certain type of extremely driven individual with a creative spirit and, good or bad, there is just nothing else like it.
Wow! Very inspiring writing. Honestly it’s hard for me to say whether or not selling LucasFilm was the right move. On the one hand, we have more movies and tv shows than ever before since the purchase, and some good Disney canon books (though admittedly those are few and far between). On the other hand if Disney hadn’t bought LF, we would still be getting original EU material with no politics involved. The only downside would be having to put up with Prequel Trilogy bashing and no more new live action content. 10 years later it really seems that selling Lucas’s company was a mistake. While we wouldn’t get as much media, we would have books by authors that care about the lore and the phrase “Less is more” applies here. Again very well written. 😇😇😇
@@michaelkarimian7538 Was selling Star Wars and Lucasarts the right move? To Disney? No. But generally? Yes. George already explained his thought process and he was right. He'd either retire and close down the company, or sell it and all his employees remain in business and they keep making great stories. In theory. Of course he ended up picking the wrong company. His employees got fired and his stories got butchered. So it's not his fault. His heart was in the right place, and there really was no better option. Other than to sell to a different company anyway, but it still would've been a 50/50 chance. Half of the hollywood companies are either almost as bad as Disney, were bought by Disney, or were bought by an equally bad company later down the line. Like, the most logical decision would've been to sell Star Wars to 20th Century Fox. Where would that had gotten us? Back to Disney
I think people vastly overestimate Lucas' love for Star Wars. If he really loved it that much he would not have sold the company. In fact: He would most likely not even have green-lit some of the weaker/weirder EU stuff. I mean sure, unlike Disney he surly has some (emotional) attachment to it. But I imagine he's thinking about it in a more professional manner than a lot of the fans.
I kind of wish Katie Lucas was that, as she wrote the Savage Opress and Maul episodes of The Clone Wars. I don't know what she is doing or if she wants to continue her father's legacy
People really forget that not only George Lucas casted black actors to play iconic characters, had female characters including Jedi that were competent and compelling, he also casted an indigenous person as for the most iconic characters (boba) and the clones!! Disney can’t even do that in stories that happen on Earth. The fact that the most beloved characters from my favorite franchise are portrayed by an indigenous man is so meaningful to me. First time I saw features like mine one screen. Of course, Lucas wasnt perfect but he doesn’t get enough credit
Correction, Jango. Boba was just some bounty hunter (Back during production. He'd since become so much more even before the prequels) played by a pale guy. The remasters got Temuera Morrison to redub Boba.
@@mar_speedman yeah im aware of that! But I mean in the canon, he is portrayed by an indigenous actor and that was still George’s choice during the prequels. I get the argument for the og trilogy, but I dont think it matters since we don’t see Boba’s face
I was genuinely excited for TFA. Watched it and thought, ok ... its not too bad, I like the threads they are creating, Im not crazy how we lost Han but the emotional tension was there if only because of the actors involved. I even liked Rogue one, its not a 10... but if felt like SW. My excitement was high for TLJ ... then I watched it... what garbage!!! Almost everything else had been a disappointment.
Agreed. Part of the the reason I felt TFA wasn’t the worse was bc I understood why it was done the way it was. But TLJ completely turned me off to any other movies coming next
Looking back it’s not that Han was killed off, it’s the fact that he turned out to be a failed dead beat dad and completely regressed his character to what?
Agreed. And even the parts of the new stuff on Disney Plus which I did like were tainted by the way they were all leading directly towards that dumpster fire of a sequel trilogy. Instead of ignoring it, they doubled and tripled down, making sure to link everything new they did to it. That ruined it all for me.
I would have asked him why he let Dave Filoni break continuity so much and "did you REALLY claim 'continuity is for wimps?'" George NEVER called people wimps. I think Filoni's a smarmy liar.
Well it's topical, and should hopefully shut people up. I mean to be fair you don't need George to tell you himself how he's written some of the first actual strong female characters in cinema history. You have eyes people, watch the movies! It's clear as day But some people are thick, so he may as well just spell it out to them
If memory serves specieism was added by Zahn and sexism by Anderson to the Empire to make Thrawn's and Daala's species and sex respectively a mark of distinction.
@@saberiandream316let? You mean told him to reassert Lucas' worldbuilding iceberg upon a canon that had already guessed the Clone Wars wrong *twice*. Exactly like he did with the Prequels.
It felt quite strange seeing and hearing Lucas talk about so many contemporary topics like AI and such. It has been so long since we've seen him in any interviews that it was nice to see him and how well he looks, but also quite sad to see how old he has gotten, too
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 Midichlorians are not a retcon. They are just an explaination of how the force actually works. The knowledge of that strenghtens the point that the prequels are really set in a more civilised and enlightened era of the galaxy.
The way Star wars has been handled is example of how entertainment and art in general is being handled. The quality is really starting to suffer and actual creative and passionate artists and workers are being squeezed out. In the video game industry we’re are seeing shutdowns of studios and massive layoffs due to companies wanting to make money printers instead of actual games , prioritizing short term gains. Its also behind massive push behind AI , companies are looking to cut corners where they to make even more money, not caring about the long term consequences to movies and art in general. The irony is even though they might make massive profits in the short term in the long run as the quality is reduced to ashes so will their profits as more and more people move on to the next new thing.
It’s a shame that it’s 2024, not 1964, and we’re having these discussions. Honestly we haven’t learned nothing in these past decades. We’re still fighting over race, creed, gender etc.
@BenMedia7 In my opinion, "stoking up" is the opposite of solving/minimising racism and sexism. Anti-white or anti-male language and policies being tolerated or encourages is also racism and sexism, which in turn creates more resentment and division.
He could've retired the films leaving them as the primary canon and just licensed out toys, games, books etc. for the rest of his days and still lived high on the hog... George wanted to secure his legacy beyond his life, and instead he ended up destroying it.
@@polyman6859 The entire premise of the first six films is ruined when Darth Vader's redemption and sacrifice are nullified by the fact that he failed to kill Palpatine.
It's a crying shame, he should have just made them "open source" for the public that would have been a real nice big F**k You to Hollywood, especially Disney.
@@rector0455 Right but those 6 films are still George's vision. Everyone separates the 6 from the sequel trilogy. They're not a part of his Star Wars which is the TRUEST Star Wars. This is why the legacy remains.
Its absurd that ANYONE could possibly say that the original Star Wars is sexist or racist... Leia is basically the _definitive_ strong female leader. Lando is one of the most iconic black characters in Star Wars. Having majority white cast shouldn't be seen as racist... At that point they're just judging those actors just for being white. I'm tired of people trying to preach equality by defining people by their skin color.
It’s real silly for people at Disney/Lucasfilm today to point to themselves are say, “we’re finally portraying women or black characters in Star Wars” when George Lucas already did that and wrote better, more iconic female and black Star Wars characters. I feel bad for many of the actors in Disney Star Wars films/shows. They get the chance of a lifetime and their talents are wasted on poorly written characters or poorly written plots. Lucas made most of his characters (even the obscure ones) legends. Disney makes most of their characters flat and forgettable.
Yes but you know at the next earnings call or whenever they want to trot him out, he will defend Iger and Kennedy and Disney. He'll gripe abut it at events like this but he will do and say what they tell him to when it matters. He might be legally obliged to, I haven't read his deal with the Devil--I mean with Disney.
@@achaudhari101 I don’t think ScaryStoriesNYC was saying Lucas owes us, he’s just pointing out that Lucas is beholden to Disney and not badmouth them. Lucas is apart of the system now, he’s no longer the independent filmmaker who made the 1977 film.
@@AmericanImperium1776 Except he did badmouth them with saying the Sequels are not his version of Star Wars. He can dislike the Sequels we got but still not want to crucify or condemn everything they do.
Good point at the end … Carrie Fisher and Natalie Portman (and in other scifi, Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton) along with Billie D Williams and Samuel Jackson always had representation and everyone thought they were great as actors and important characters. But even before them they looked up to Aubrey Hepburn, Katherine Hepburn and Sidney Poitier, Nichelle Nichols, Eartha Kitt and Sammy Davis Jr All broke new ground and moved the needle with becoming leads and playing important and impactful characters for their generation. We will never find a perfect balance but much of cinema, scifi and speciality Star Wars has helped with all this these past one hundred years. And to focus on the things of today sometimes seems at the expense of all the progress and efforts and hard work those before them have done. I like Rae and Daisy Ridley, but I don’t follow the hype from Corporate Disney on how ground breaking it is … it’s really following a great tradition that George set forth originally. And secretly I think Daisy Ridley feels the same as well. And is happy to continue that tradition. Personally I want to see a good and successful Lucas style story for her and Poe and Finn !!
Not gonna happen, don't put your hopes up. The perfect story for those three was an opportunity they missed three sequel movies ago. At their very core these characters have been butchered, their much more stellar concepts left in the dust. We can only move on As for Rey... Well, I'm sure Daisy didn't wish it, but Rey only stands on the corpses of all the strong women who came before her, because she is the antithesis of what a strong woman is. Daisy's a female lead, but she didn't play a character worth anything
Hey Thor, a controversial question( I may get a lot of dislikes, but I don’t care), do you think fans blow Luke and Leia’s infamous kiss way out of proportion. Personally I do think they blow it out of proportion because: 1. In all the OG trilogy and Last Jedi, non of the kisses were in anyway romantic. The one in ANH was for luck, the two in ESB was to get under Han’s skin(the infamous moment) and Luke lost his hand, learned Vader was his father and hanging on for dear life. The ones in TROJ and TLJ were for goodbye. 2. I believe Lucas didn’t consider making Luke and Leia siblings until he almost finished Empire Strikes Back, or began writing Return of the Jedi. He saw Leia and Han had better chemistry. 3. Luke and Leia have a better brother and sister relationship, especially when you compare it to Jamie and Cersei Lannister from Game of Thrones.
You're absolutely right. Back in the day the same artists who painted clinch covers for the new breed of "sensual romance novels" also created covers for science fiction, fantasy, etc., as well as creating movie posters (such as the late Roger Kastel did for ESB). Look at the OG poster for Star Wars: Luke's shirt is torn open to the waist, showing his "rippling muscles" as Leia lies beneath him, her arms clinging to his virile legs. Luke was the hero. She was the princess, so surely he'd get the girl in the end, right? Han was just another guy on the adventure, so SW was marketed with Luke and Leia as a possible couple. To little kids like me, Luke was just a whiny bigger kid with a high-pitched voice, and to people past puberty, Han was the obviously the charismatic lover. Since George's mindset on romance never quite grew out of adolescent crushes and its awkwardness, he was the last to catch on.
These scenes only happened because Luke and Leia weren't written to be siblings yet. If they had I guarantee you none of those scenes would've happened. To support the fact that George decided to pivot to Han and Leia being endgame and/ or him thinking about them being siblings while editing ESB like you suggest there's a deleted scene with Luke and Leia talking one on one and they're about to make out before getting interrupted. On it's own it's not a bad scene or felt of lesser quality compared to other scenes to me at least, so that's why I think George decided to delete it.
Modern movies often feel more like products than art. Classics like Star Wars, LOTR, Matrix, Gladiator, and even Frozen (the last good thing Disney did, in my opinion) were created with passion. The only recent films that evoke a similar sense of artistic dedication are the two Dune movies (so far). In contrast Disney+, Amazon, and Netflix shows seem designed to sell subscriptions rather than to create art. The casting, sets, pacing, and lack of creativity in cinematography are examples of this. Lore, the foundational elements that made these franchises valuable to begin with are often disregarded, leading to financial losses and these studios and their bot army play the race/gender card on social media. Ignoring the core lore and reasons for a franchise's initial success ultimately alienates the fan base, causing them to lose interest and even resent the new movies/series and we complain about it because we're passionate about these things, but these losers in charge view it as toxic or trolling, when they are the ones who initiated it all by disrespecting source material and the fans that enjoy it and have lived their lives in it for decades. Of course we're going to fight back.
George Lucas kind of paved the way for a lot diversity in modern films while most of the Disney films kind of regressed a bit, by drawing attention, especially negative attention to their casting choices. There was nothing directly wrong with the casting in the movies, but the way they were written or the way they call attention to their casting was kind of disgusting in a "hey, look we're not racist/sexist because we have cast this person", it's just kind of upsetting.
It’s so validating to hear from the maker himself. I’m always inspired by how wise he presents himself. He’s one of the few older people I could just listen to ramble about whatever and find it captivating.
I recently went back and watched the Book of Boba Fett, and I was reminded of why Star Wars is now in the shape it is in today. Three, maybe four episodes out of 7 only that are dedicated to the title character, who changes alignment from what we see in The Empire Strikes Back to what we see in The Book of Boba Fett.. And then a full couple and a half episodes are given to the Mandalorian and one to Luke Skywalker. It would have been better if it were named "The Lost Tales," like that J.R.R. Tolkien book that had a bunch of things here and there of notes that were put into one book. This is emblematic of Disney. We get off to a good start with The Mandalorian Seasons 1 & 2 capped by the heroic return of Luke Skywalker in the Season 2 finale, and then everything changes with Season 3. Ahsoka has that one really awesome Episode with Anakin Skywalker and Ahsoka as she descends into the afterlife, but the whole series can't stand on one episode alone. Kenobi has that one really awesome Episode at the end, but the rest is a disjointed cacophany of a wannabe series. And it goes on and on. Just no continuity or unified, continuous story throughout. And they wonder why it isn't working? They wonder why they aren't Netflix?
I was highly suspicious back in 2012 reading interviews after the purchase because not once did I read anything that said anyone at Disney got the depth of Star Wars. The mythology, the soul and sharing that with kids to help them navigate this world.
He's friends with Iger and he doesn't really come off as someone who talks bad about his friends or people he knows and respect. It's like with Kasdan who had first butchered Empire and had bonkers suggestions for Return, but Lucas will never bash the guy.
He pretended to support Bob Iger because he’s playing the political game in order to regain some of that control over his IP. He’s scratching Bob’s back so that maybe he’ll scratches. Bob like leading scratch George’s back, so George is biting him.
The other day I saw this post on instagram where people were talking about how every accent in fantasy media are english/scottish and that they wanted other accents too, from other parts of the world. Then I remembered how star wars did that and everyone called it racist, so I guess there's that. I don't understand this whole "racism stereotypes" polemic over star wars, I actually only found out about it last year.
I think George Lucas was right on point! I’ve watched every series of Star Wars since May 1977 at the first day premiere to Chinese theater. Never once as a black man watching this movie feel like I was being discriminated against in anyway. I took the movie for what it was, and they had Lando. I did think the Jar Jar character was kind of useless, and I kind of didn’t appreciate his character. I feel through the nine movies at their different times when they came out did the great job and reflected the first six vision of George Lucas but I have to say I really enjoyed the last three as well equally! Got to remember that this is a fantasy and people with their ideas of putting things together as best they can. It kind of makes me wonder when the bleeding hearts complain about Godzilla and King Kong, not being represented right!
It grates on me every time I see that clip of the High Republic writer degrading Lando as some dude who just wanted to get into Leia's pants. Gambler, entrepreneur, businessman, scoundrel, smuggler, friend, general, hero, the man who BLEW UP THE SECOND DEATH STAR. But sure, just some guy who wanted to get into Leia's pants. 🙄 That's the problem at the heart of the issue I have with virtually all of Disney Star Wars, it's people who do not understand these characters and this universe writing the continuation of it. They never loved what it was originally, and it shows.
Good to hear from George Lucas. Good to hear the Creator speaking. He has good observations about Hollywood being less interested in creativity and more interested in making money and holding onto their IPs. The latest Mad Max movie and Rings of Power come to mind.
I like Lucas's description of the purpose for Jar Jar and it was far more of an effective message than whatever message the side story on Canto Bite was trying to convey
Star Wars was always the setting for other stuff. Luke could have been a farmer in ancient Rome or mediaeval Europe and the story still works. Now it's like "ooh look, a star wars!" And that's the whole story
In his round about way, George is saying that Disney has totally changed the focus of SW and not for the bettor. But. It's no longer his and has no power or influence in the productions. Pity he didn't stay on as the President of LucasFilms for a few years after the sale. He might have been able to produce a decent sequel and left the next two ready for production.
Hey Thor, a question im sure you've been asked or answered in some form already but I'll throw it in. Where would Star Wars be had George not sold it? I mean clone wars finished, EU continues, maybe bad batch and a darker version of rebels are a part of it? Animated thrawn trilogy and dark empire?
Liking and commenting because I hope Thor reads the comment, but also in absence I will provide my own answer: The Clone Wars were definitely cancelled by Disney, so if he hadn't, it would've continued for a few more seasons. The Bad Batch were also already a working concept, though I doubt the Bad Batch as a show would've existed. I also doubt Rebels as a show would've existed, since its very existence was demanded by Disney. The EU would've continued because George had nothing against it, but George would've also disregarded it while making his sequels, which he would've made. The treaties have already been leaked. As for Animated Thrawn Trilogy and dark empire... Doubt it, George doesn't make a habit of adapting EU stories. He did adapt concepts at times, but not stories straight up. It might've happened though, who knows What would've happened, is a planned live action show that sort of deals with the underworld of Coruscant. Or maybe just a general darker Star Wars show. We don't really know for sure, it was in the early phase. George had a lot of plans, he only sold because... Well he had a lot of plans, and when he thought it through he realized he didn't wanna spend the next 20 years devoting his life to Star Wars
Another thing about casting Billy Dee Williams casting, Lando is irreplaceable. If Lando wasn't where he was, then Han Solo would not be in the places he would be with his friends. The Death Star 2 would have never been destroyed, Han would wtill be Jabba's palace, and Luke would have fallen from Cloud City.
I thought Lucas was very diplomatic, and his comments fit with things he's said in the past. It's kind of amazing that people still occasionally judge "A New Hope" like it was a modern movie. In a way it shows how successful Lucas was in creating six movies that tell a single timeless story. We don't think of them as period pieces, even though "New Hope" came out in 1977. Imagine deciding that "Saturday Night Fever" has too many white people, or "Smokey And The Bandit" is too sexist by modern standards! It seems silly because they're obviously period pieces, films from a bygone era. "A New Hope" is from the same era, but it doesn't feel that way at all.
There are a few productions from the Disney Star Wars that I really liked - including "Rogue One", "Solo", "Obi-Wan" Season Two of "The Mandalorian" and "The Acolyte". But . . . I still don't have a high opinion of the current franchise, overall. I have more respect for Lucas' six films between 1977 and 2005 than I do for anything produced by Disney.
Hey Thor, I often think of Disney Star Wars as these guys producing CW Arrowverse type quality. It’s not just others playing in the sandbox, it’s someone who knows character names, and few abilities and just decides” oh this will be cool.” There used to be talk of Mandoverse coming together like the Avengers or something, but it’s just not on that level, and it’s just going to be a slightly better CW DC content with devastating affects on long time fans.
I feel like I was one of the few fans who'd rather never have new SW again, instead enjoy what we already had w the EU (which is tons), than get half assed fanfic attempts at sth the writers don't really want to do.
I found it laughable that prople supposedly accused Lucas' Star Wars movies of being "racist" but didn't bat an eye over "Lord Of The Rings"! I saw the making of the first film and half of the making of"The Two Towers" ...strictly Euro casts...in the early 2,000s? I wasn't interested in the 3rd film. Lucas was apparently more forward thinking than some of his critics.
Sounds like Mr. Lucas doesn't support Wokeism, SJW tropes, and Presentism, based on his statements. Meaning: He's probably less than thrilled with at least 50% of what has been done with Star Wars, since 2012. Looking at you, Kathy.
George has amended his famous quote. It’s always been "…I made it for 12 year-old boys". And yes, that distinction matters because Disney has turned it into a female series and wrecked it. It’s really that simple but few want to go there.
That would be great since back when The Clone Wars was on Cartoon Network, the show had a lot more leeway to depict grounded, nuanced topics and graphic depictions portraying a galaxy wide war while telling a fantastic story simultaneously without needing to tone it down to a more family-friendly level the way Disney did with Rebels (not that it was a bad show). Besides, there have been a lot of family-friendly/TV-Y7 shows with great storytelling that weren't afraid to touch upon dark subjects like the original Teen Titans, the original Ben 10, as well as Avatar: The Last Airbender (the latter of which Dave Filoni worked on before Clone Wars; I already know ATLA is a Nicktoon so no need to correct me). Even if Disney will never sell Star Wars or Lucasfilm as a whole, CN could still buy the broadcasting rights to the show and even air the once Netflix-exclusive Season 6 as well as the Disney+-exclusive Season 7, in the same manner as they’ve done with the Fox animated series like Family Guy, King of the Hill, Bob’s Burgers, etc. on Adult Swim.
Those days are over. Cartoon Network is crap now, The Clone Wars has been concluded, and George is retired. We should learn to move on. Just accept that all the Star Wars we'll get is the Star Wars we got, appreciate that it's still here with us rather than hope for something that will never be
They truly don't care about the universe that Lucas built and we grew up loving. Disney have been vocal about not caring about staying true to the original idea they want to do something completely different everytime and creating a overall story is not in there intrest
I mean Lucas’ comments on “The Force” here are interesting, implying he’s always known what it’s all about when clearly that’s not the case. The Force in the prequels is faaar different from the Force in the originals, specially Empire Strikes back, where you had several writers working on it. That’s why fans were angry when Lucas introduced Miniclorians and “the will of the force” in the Prequels, that kind of stuff was never even close to that in the OG films.
I’ve given up caring what George thinks. I agree with you however that Disney has no idea what Star Wars is about, nor do they care and that’s why it’s in such a mess/a dead franchise.
So, George Lucas keeps saying that these movies were supposed to be for kids, that's why the scripts were the way they were. He knew or should have known by the response to his original Star Wars that he didn't need to dumb down the scripts to make them for kids. Also, showing a guy getting his arms and legs cut off, and then simulating what happens when lava burns his skin, eyes, and singes his hair off? That was for kids??? Hmm... ok. Also, I wonder if George Lucas could go back, knowing what Jake Lloyd went through after being in The Phantom Menace, if he still would have made that disaster of a movie or if he would have worked with somebody to create at least a somewhat respectable script.
I always find it interesting when videos are made bashing Disney Star Wars. Like it’s no secret they messed up. And some fans want them to acknowledge that. But the moment George says something about Disney in an interview. Those fans are like, “See, see. He doesn’t like Disney Star Wars either.” But when George mentions that the movies are for children it’s met with, “Well George, Star Wars is actually for everyone.” I’m curious what his response would be when asked, “Star Wars is now owned by one of Hollywood’s biggest studios. Something you never really wanted to be a part of. And its fan base is mostly lead by male adults. An audience it was never intended for. What do you say to that?
I remember the Originals being called bad in part because of how women and aliens are presented as equals to human men and some even had a problem with Lando because he was black. This was a kids movie,.. You can’t please everybody on these issues let alone for decades after release.
@greglbennett It depends on which group you were around. Social conservative circles complained about it top of its spirituality. Aliens = evil The Force=eastern religion=bad So, yes, depending on group. They had issues on it.
Given what I know about gaming journalism, mainly how game developers will pay the press to give them food reviews for not very good products, I'm convinced that the bad press the Prequels got was just hit against George.
Eh... No, it's nothing quite so malicious. They were just snobs who couldn't get past their egos. A lot of their complaints are really shallow, but also when you look at them complaining, they really believe what they say.
@@doomsdayrabbit4398 Okay, I think you're making stuff up by that point Phantom Menace was released in 1999, the bad reviews not long after. Bob Iger wasn't even CEO of Disney at that point. Why would Bob Iger even want to ruin Star Wars's reputation. It makes no sense whatsoever
The sequel era sucked, but so did the prequel era. Lucas made some great work in his prime, but the moment he sold off his empire for bank is the moment I stopped feeling sorry for him. And it's not like it was just the sequel era - Filoni & Favreau are also responsible, but people out here think they're not part of 'Disney' when they are. Tell me Book of Boba Fett or Ahsoka were brilliant writing & you can't. It's hit or miss because things like the animation efforts with several shows have been strong (to even exceptional) and Andor as a stand alone is brilliant - best show of 2022 you could argue. George Lucas DIRECTED ONLY SIX FILMS. Read that again - SIX FILMS. He's been credited as the 'Writer' on SEVEN FILMS with eight more story credits. In directing, he didn't direct for 22 years, with the gap between Return and Phantom Menace. At some point, maybe we should realize that he did great work, but his time and archaic ideas were from decades ago. No thanks, I'm good with not knowing what he thinks.
Man, I love George. A1 from day one. Handled those brutally unwarranted questions with wisdom, patience and precision. THIS MAN is Star Wars. Anything good in Star Wars comes from us copying with excruciating attention to detail anything he says, does or believes. And the crazy thing is, we can only get so close. George keeps star wars alive simply by being here to remind the real fans what it's all about. Love this man
@@mar_speedman But he HAS admitted before, braggingly so, that he doesn't like continuity and that he always knew he was going to break canon the moment he was hired. If you truly think Dave Filoni cares about continuity, then you're just deluded.
It is a bit annoying when people have to act like it's the first time a minority has ever been in some movie role like Marvel was acting like black panther was the first black superhero movie ever what is the Spawn movie and the Blade movies chopped liver?
I think the sequel trilogy is the only real Disney fail. Obi-wan and Boba Fett weren’t great but we’ve had good Star Wars like Rogue One, Rebels, The Mandalorian (Seasons 1 & 2), and Andor.
What Disney is good at is tricking people to work with them. We got the mess with the sequals. We got the Mandalorian doing well... the sudden freeze and drama behind the scenes... and then we got the unrush of each TV show getting progressively worse with more The Message shoved into it. We got more background drama and fighting... and then more deals cut with promises of something good, but more slaps in the face as what is given is worse. And still Disney dances by cutting new deals and tricking people that they know best. Just look at George deciding to side with the guy who openly praised himself for conning George as their studio went out and insulted George with all of these claims of racism, sexism, and so forth. Yet Disney is still there, making new deals, and making people think they won't continue making bigger messes.
@Thor Skywalker not sure if this is something you have talked about before on the channel, but how do you feel about the Mortis arc in TCW? It confirms in-universe that balance in the force, and Anakin's destiny as the chosen one, was by controlling both the light side and the dark side. Which of course contradicts the original conception of balance being absence of the darkside/evil. While I still personally like the arc and the show as a whole, I think Filoni and Lucas made a mistake and it makes me think that Lucas doesn't ALWAYS know how star wars or the force actually works.
In my opinion, I don't think that arc actually revealed anything about the force. It just depicted someone corrupted by the darkside, someone who isn't, and someone who wields both. It also foreshadowed Anakin's need to embrace both the force as a whole, and the dark side, if he's to fulfill his destiny. It doesn't necessarily mean the existence of the light side of the force Keep in mind, in the EU, there's actually three. There's the force, the light side, and the dark side. In that depiction, the force is neutral ground, but you can't tread it without tilting one way or another. It's so hard to remain neutral without dedicating to that path The mortis arc contradicts this idea, because the father, or Anakin, they don't stay in the middle and avoid the light or dark. They wield both at once, and thus can control both at once. And so, you can interpret it as 'There's the light side and the dark side and Anakin can wield both', or a very similar sentence that contradicts little of the Mortis Arc: The force and the dark side, and Anakin must learn to control the darkness inside him to control the dark side, without losing himself to it, so he can also control the force. It is a difficult arc to interpret in one clear way, though I will also say that the mortis gods aren't meant to be manifestations of the force. Otherwise they wouldn't die. They're just really powerful and mysterious individuals.
@@karimion2157 KotOR II definitely implied the light side was equally 'corruptiing', though perhaps it was the exception rather than the norm The EU was just a collection of stories written by a collection of eager writers who all wanted to expand on the lore, sometimes things conflict Also it could just be interpreted as Kreia's own views on the force rather than the force itself? I will admit when I'm wrong, but that's what I'd gotten from KotOR
When people then asks as to why Lucas backed Iger it’s because he is a shareholder. Now, that doesn’t mean he agrees what Iger had done. He only did it to keep his money afloat. As for his feelings he still is hurting no doubt and deeply regrets his decision.
By my count the only way you can consider Rey "groundbreaking" in Star Wars is as the first Live Action Female Main Character Jedi in a Star Wars movie. Any fewer qualifiers and it's already been done. Female Main Character Jedi in a Star Wars movie? Ashoka. Live Action Female Jedi in a Star Wars movie? Take your pick of Prequel characters. Live Action Female Main Character in a Star Wars movie? Leia, obviously.
The difference is Leia took charge but didn't have to be everything. She let others cook. Rey had to be the smartest, strongest, bravest, answer to every problem in the sequel trilogy. Ffs.
It's really ironic that people call George's movies racist when his movies showed the most nuanced takes toward racism. Disney Star Wars is always like 'we need to have a black one here and an asian one there' but when you look at the final movie... They're all human. The movies are almost completely devoid of aliens. When you look at George's movies, you see he looks past *our* races and depicts alien races, because he knew that not everything had to be taken at face value. He knew that an alien mistreating a robot is much more effective as a commentary about racism in a piece of escapism media than anything Disney ever tried to do And about the women... George really wasn't hard on Han and Luke at all, they really were clowns in that first film, but not in a bad way. When he says that Luke knew nothing and Han could accomplish nothing, he wasn't demeaning them. It's just at that point in the timeline, neither had fit into their roles yet. Luke was just a boy, Han was a drifter, neither were heroes yet, while Leia was fighting for the rebellion for who knows how long! The two men were trying to play hero, but they'd never fought the empire before. Neither of them really knew what they were doing, unlike Leia. That's why even though she was physically less capable (You can see it in the way she's uncomfortable with a blaster), she took charge because the two of them weren't being competent rescuers. She gave the shots because she had the info they lacked (like how the empire let them go and were tracking them, she's the only one who figured it out) That's not to say that Han and Luke were completely worthless or that George was demeaning them, they all had their flaws and their strength, all three of them. Luke had his ingenuity, Han had his bravado, and Leia had leadership. Also Luke and Han did grow as the movies went on, so again, that statement was never meant to disregard their accomplishments or demean them
It's ironic because of how diverse the prequels really were. And then they insist the clones are an allegory for Mexicans storming the border. I swear, you just can't satisfy some people...
@@saberiandream316 Oh but of course they are. And the dark side is an allegory for women on their period... Or something... I dunno how these people come up with these claims Edit: Okay, UA-cam was posting my comments but not showing them for some reason...
I kept hearing that Lucas had a bunch of health issues and was barely able to walk on his own two feet... he does seem better in these recent interviews but you can hear how his voice is labored and scratchy... more than in the past. There has been some push back on Lucas' comments mainly because the wounds of betrayal are still fresh for some when he backed Iger for the Disney proxy war to some sector of the fanbase. I don't think Lucas has much longer for this world tbh and when his death comes sooner than we think, it will still generate a mixture of emotions over him and his legacy
Hey Thor, lately i've been thinking about how JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson went against George Lucas's lore in Star Wars. JJ said in an interview with Slashfilm that he didn't believe in midichlorions and said that the Force was a power anyone can achieve just by believing in it and it's not based on how many midichlorions you have. I am aware of the 'Karate' quote from George, but it is worth noting that was taken from 1981 and i don't think that was ever implied in the prequels, so I think it's possible he may have changed his mind over time. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think George has said anything lately to support the 'Karate' quote and I'd argue that if it wasn't referenced recently and if his films, the prequels, contradicted it, then the quote is no longer relevent. Anyway, as for Rian, his definition of balance was equal light and equal dark, which goes against what George established in the prequels, where it's the very presence of the Sith that causes unbalance. I have this sneaking suspicion that JJ and Rian chose not to reach out to George Lucas for his input on their ideas, because they both knew he'd say 'no'. I think if you are going to adapt or continue someone else's work, or add something new, it needs to abide by these two things: 1. Don't contradict anything the creator established. 2. It has to be met with the creator's approval. Sure, it is likely reaching out to George didn't cross JJ or Rian's minds, but either way it shows they should not have been involved with Star Wars. They had no right to just do whatever they wanted.
The midichlorians don't contradict the... 'karate' quote. It's quite simple, anyone can wield the force. But*. Now that's very important... *But* the more affinity you have with the force, the easier it is for you to learn and master it. If you don't have affinity, you can still learn to wield the force, but it would take an exceptional amount of practice and discipline to achieve it, only to become a weak Jedi compared to one who is strong in the force. On the other hand if you had great affinity, learning the ways of the force comes to you with ease. Midichlorians only expand on that affinity. Everyone has midichlorians in their blood. That's not what makes you force sensitive. It's the concentration of midichlorians that matter. See, Anakin had a huge midichlorian count. That's why he was a gifted Jedi, one of the strongest despite being a late student. On the other hand, Obi-wan had a lower midichlorian count than the average Jedi (But not so low that he's not Jedi material entirely), so it took greater discipline and practice to get where he got. (That's EU lore btw. It's not specified with midichlorians, but it is stated that he wasn't as gifted) So you see, midichlorians don't contradict George's statement from 1981. More importantly, JJ's faulty understanding of the force contradicts George's statement. One doesn't just become strong in the force just by believing. You don't just get an awakening and become a powerful Jedi. That's bull, and it's never been this way, ever. You either are strong in the force, or you're not. It's just if you're weak in the force, you can also train and become a halfway decent Jedi after a lot of practice and discipline. As for Rian Johnson... He didn't invent the concept of light vs dark. The EU did. I'm not sure at what point people started thinking that balance meant an equal amount of Jedi and Sith though. I'm pretty sure that's new. It's always been recognized that the Sith are evil and achieving balance is to get rid of them
I always felt the midichlorians wasn't necessary, but it was put in there to explain the chosen one prophecy because Lucas thought rightly it would go over the head of general audiences. I personally like Kenobi's description of the force in Star Wars more.
@@matthewgaudet4064 The midichlorians were necessary. Just because you're content suspending your disbelief, doesn't mean there aren't questions midichlorians haven't answered How does the force work? What makes one sensitive? How do the Jedi know if someone is force sensitive? Those questions can't be dismissed with a simple 'Oh it just is', even if most would rather The prequels were the height of Jedi culture. George needed to show the difference between a time when the Jedi were barely even remembered, and a time when they had a community. Of course the Jedi understand how the force works on a scientific level, they've had hundreds of centuries to figure it out. The midichlorians both show how much more the Jedi know than what was known in the original trilogy (after all that lost knowledge) and answer all those questions.
@@mar_speedman , well it made more sense to me when George talked about the living force and cosmic force. Then I was like I get it, but the movie didn't really explain it.
If Kathy hadn't betrayed Lucas i mean she is a powerful Women in the Hollywood industry, in a time where metoo has been a thing and Women getting listened to more in all areas; so as a "Women" Kennedy would have absolutely been listened to by Bob Iger and Alan Horn way back in 2012; IF she had just influenced and convinced those guys to agree to fully using George Lucas's *Treatments*. Then if they had simply hired Jon Favreau to write and direct Ep7 and Joseph Kosinski to write/direct Ep8, i can't think who they could have got for ep9 but I know IF that was how things had went we would have had one amazing Sequel Trilogy which most Fans young and older would love. We certainly wouldn't have ended up with the Division we have now today.
Kathleen Kennedy isn't a powerful Hollywood person. She's the Coffee Bringer that managed to get her name on the credit listing for a lot good movies where the real talent wasn't her. How she got GL to make her CEO of Lucasfilm.....still a mystery. Then she lied her ass off and betrayed GL. How she managed to keep her job after the Disney acquisition is also a mystery. She has also destroyed Indiana Jones.
@@rickbase833 Well i mean, that's the power she has, because Disney cannot sack her under any circumstance (save a bad scandal). I get what you're saying but Kennedy she is considered a darling of the industry. I don't even think she convinced Lucas, i just think he couldn't find anyone at all who he could entrust starwars to in the end; and he just turned to Kathy Kennedy because she had helped him produce his Indiana Jones movies in the 80s. But i agree Kennedy has NO Creative talent whatsoever; i see her as just more of a monies type person, she knows how to get a production made and well back in the day, completed on time and under budget; i think that's why Hollywood love her so much. Other than that, yeh she was really just a glorified "secretary" for the big, talented directors. She's basically rode the coatails of Men in the industry all her life. Kennedy is that much of a Intersectional Feminist, she has a "Husband" and is Married yet doesn't even take his name as her own.
@@mar_speedman I meant that the first two movies had a disproportionate number of white men in large groups. Look at the Battle of Yavin. Battle of Hoth. I just don't think there's anything inherently _wrong_ with that because it doesn't meet the required modern politically correct "diversity" quotient.
Lucas oversaw and approved the Morris Arc in the Clone Wars. To this day I’ve yet to see a single analysis of that arc and of “what it says about the Force” make sense.
I hate hypocrisy, but in the case of Lucas, he is in an extremely difficult situation. I can forgive him but it still sucks to see him kn that very difficult situation where he isnt sllowed to seak openly because theres a lot at stake. people need to realize that before calling him two faced. You can almost see him strugging to hold back.
The prequels were NEVER racist and sexist, only racists and sexists think that. I _do_ understand if you don't like that Revenge of the Sith reduced Padme to being Anakin's pregnant wife, but don't forget, she _had_ things to do in the deleted scenes, which are just as valid to me as the movie itself. So I have no problem with that.
@@matthewgaudet4064 Interviews can be cut to give almost the exact opposite opinion of what the interviewee wanted to give with enough skill and footage. Just cut away from the speaker when you need to obscure what they actually said. Something like "I actually think *it's bullshit that people think that* they're full of racist characters," can have the part I bolded cut out *so* easily in post it's not even funny. Just cut to B-roll of George with Ahmed, Ewan, and Liam, or the classic picture of George pointing with Mark, or even just the interviewer frowning while steeping his fingers.
None of them were really leaders anyway despite being called General, didn't command or lead armies or create battle plans, all Leia really did was organize the Hoth evac
I still find it hilarious that the total profit Star Wars has made since Disney's aquisiton still have yet to reach the $4 billion they paid for. It has been a decade and yet Disney has yet to make Star Wars profitable. By the way, about my previous comment where I said Jedi: Fallen Order was making me rebuild my love of the films, I did finally beat the game and loved it. I've moved onto Survivor and all of me (expect my hands) is enjoying it thoroughly.
One thing you CAN SAY about G Lucas is all his movies were all unified and followed a clear narrative arc, regardless of your opinion on the prequels. The creators of the sequels dropped the ball here! 😢
The problem with post-Lucas Star Wars, even the good stuff, is it doesn't feel like it's a coherent universe anymore and instead feels like a group of kids with lego star wars smashing things together with no plan
Basically.
To be fair, it is a lot more coherent than the EU.
I don't get that at all from Rogue One or Andor, or Bad Batch tbh. Maybe the early stuff.
But Book of Boba Fett was explicitly that, according to Robert Rodriguez. He basically said "we're like kids with our toys except we get to make it into a TV show" which I agree that kind of mindset hurts the direction of star wars more than it helps
@FormerlyDuck they're honestly abt the same. Prequel era EU like CWMMP was VERY coherent. Before like the early 90s, they were kinda just doing whatever. Disney also contradicts itself and retcons itself all the time
EU doesn't need to be coherent, this does@@CurrentlyDuck1
Most of us have been saying for years that Disney/Lucasfilm and their lackeys don't understand Star Wars. The creator just basically confirmed it. I've always known, deep down, that George can't stand what they've done to Star Wars.
I mean, he did equate selling to disney as selling his children to white slavers a while back.
Same here. People have argued with me about this until they're blue in the face. Now, they're mysteriously silent. 👀
Where did he say Disney doesn't understand star wars! Seems he's talking about critics to me!
@@eliezerrodriguez5863 Can't you read?
@@eliezerrodriguez5863 he's equated disney to "white slavers" in the past.
Disney dumbed down SW by removing mysticism, morality, etc., in favor of spectacle and fluff.
It seems like a consistent trend among big name franchises (especially Science Fantasy/Fiction) in recent decades. And it's not just limited to the American film and entertainment industry, we've seen it happen in places like Europe and Japan too. Evangelion is one a notable example of a non-American franchise to receive similar treatment of "dumbing down" for the sake of the dreaded "wider audience" whilst throwing in loads of mindless action and nostalgia pandering (with some character assassination's/poorly thought-out writing along the way).
Nothing is sacred and never was. When the studios and producers adopt the mentality of "this is a consumer product, so that's the priority" that's usually coincides with the art of such projects dying out.
The mysticism of SW started going away when Midiclorians were introduced, and a bit named Anakin was brought into existence without a male contribution.
No they tried the morality stuff, especially in the Last Jedi with the casino stuff, but it was done with absolutely no finesse or subtlety
@@rickbase833maybe this is head canon but part of that was to show the Jedi had lost that sense of mysticism in the order and they is why they were so easily manipulated. Qui-gon was the example of what a Jedi was supposed to be instead of the council which had lost its way.
@@rickbase833nah. Zahn introduced the Ysalamiri as a get-away card from anything Force related all the way back in 1991. Anakin's story on the other hand is very much a morality tale
It’s always so reassuring to hear from The Maker. I absolutely love his response to the sexism accusation. The second paragraph felt like a reaction to Rey’s reception.
The sequels are Star Wars movies the same way North Korea is a democratic republic.
Boomshakalaka!!!!
You do realise that george praised the last jedi right the only movie he has mixed opinions on is the force awakens
@@EnclaveArtimas This may be difficult to fathom but I like the Star Wars I like and I don't like the Star Wars I don't like. Has nothing to do with how old I was the time it came out.
@@EnclaveArtimas I watched 95% of all Star Wars content in the span of about 3 years in my early twenties so yes, childhood nostalgia might be a mighty force in my case.
The prequels are not Star Wars.
During my work, I had the opportunity to talk to many Star Wars fans. Some of them knew George Lucas personally, and ultimately, most people realized that they loved Star Wars because it reflected its creator.
Even the most hostile fans acknowledge that, despite their frustration with the special editions and the prequels, Star Wars was the vision of a single author. Now, with Disney in charge, everything has changed: the company philosophy, the leadership, even the people on the board. That's where Star Wars has changed.
It was once a unique contradiction-a family company making billions of dollars, selling toys and merchandise worldwide, without the backing of a major corporation. An independent company.
Now, it's like the Trade Federation, with a different spirit, different values, and a different approach. With Lucas, it was three years of meticulous craftsmanship. With Disney, it's two years of industrial moviemaking.
In the end, it may look the same, but it's not the same production, not the same level of detail or application. As Obi-Wan said, "Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them."
I wish it looked the same. They can't even get *that* right
But yeah, you're right. Lucasfilms is this in name only. Lucasarts is already dead and gone. Lucasfilms similarly is dead and gone. It's a Theseus's ship situation where all the boards were replaced. Same can be said for Star Wars. Same name, different franchise. Personally I've gotten to the point where I don't really want it, even if it were good. Because even at its highest quality, it's not the Star Wars I grew up with, and it's not the community I mingled with.
I would say its about the lack of respect for Lucas' vision and the desire to put their own stamp on Star Wars. Some of that is normal, writers and directors are creative people and they don't want to carbon copy what's come before. But you do have to understand a thing before you can iterate on it, and that's something Disney completely failed to do. I see no reverence or respect for the property, only arrogance and a belief they can do "better".
Having said that, this is what happens when you sell a dream for money unfortunately. I don't blame Lucas in any way, he had the right to sell and enjoy the fruits of his labor. Fans have to vote with their dollars if they want change from Disney, but even then I think the company is so lost in its own world that its easier to simply blame others for failures rather than take a good honest look in the mirror.
@@Blackened30 That's just the entirety of Hollywood. Cinema keeps failing all around them and they still refuse to recognize they're the problem. It's exactly what you said. They're arrogant, pompous nobodies who want to make a name for themselves, but lack the creativity or talent to do so of their own means, so they latch onto more successful properties and drain them like the leeches they are
Bit of a problem in your spiel: Legends.
People bitch about Filoni regarding TCW, but fail to realize Lucas was breathing down his neck most of the time. TCW being different from the multimedia project shows just how badly Legends reflected Lucas' vision. And the consistency of canon is one of the main reasons, as it means any lorepoint introduced sonewhere for plot convenience or author appeal can warp the whole thing.
Case in point when Drew Karpyshyn superimposed his version of the Rule of Two, it was not only in contradiction to what the Sith are and how they operate, it overwrote Lucas' in Legends. Many fans take it for granted it's the correct one. And when making it a secret doctrine made Yoda's words in tPM a plot hole it was explained Yoda knew all along the Sith were still around and was just keeping secrets.
At the extreme, Legends is written by the kinds of people that look at the Father trying to maintain Balance between his children as a metaphor for Balance of the Force, and think HP Lovecraft.
@@mpnuorva I'm not sure what you mean to say exactly, but I will say that the EU was never meant to fit with Lucas's vision. It's just a lot of fans took it for granted that it was *the* Star Wars, to the point where some prefer the EU over even the movies.
It's best to remember that the EU and George's timeline (TCW before Disney) are separate timelines, and so is Disney canon of course. They're three different timelines, not two.
Not everything in movies needs to be diverse anyways.
Reality isnt always diverse nor does it need to be and there is nothing wrong with that or inherently bad.
Exactly. Movies should be diverse at the industry-level, not every single movie. And diversity shouldn't be limited to superficial characteristics.
Precisely.
People that demand everything to be diverse really are the same ones that don't live outside of Western countries these people would be surprised at how not racially diverse a place like a Japan, China, India various African countries really are. I'm not even saying we can't have diverse things if it's written well that's all that really matters in the end but these people needs to stop acting like they're God's gift to mankind because they gave us more not white people in something.
Careful. That kinda talk can get you on a watchlist these days
Seriously speaking though, you are definitely right, but the people you're trying to convince are stubborn and childish.
Lucas-era is timeless
Disney-era is dated
Preach, I see this everytime I plop down with an EU book.
@@saberiandream316I sold the poopy Disney sw books.
except that the prequels were total shit.
Careful. I wouldn't describe the prequels as "timeless". Robot armies fighting clones.....Midiclorians.....senatorial debates.....and film direction that made renowned actors look wooden on screen.
Oh and why would Padme stay with an immature brat with mommy issues? Even after learning he massacred a whole tribe of Tusken Raiders.....women and children too?
@@rickbase833 Tuskins are seen a savage animals in the Star Wars universe.
People acting like Padme thought he slaughtered helpess civilized people.
He essentially slaughtered rabid dogs, as they see it.
(As she witnessed in Ep1 and was told in Ep2)
Maybe Star Wars fans who dislike the Prequels need to use a modicum of those brain cells to think of other possibilities rather than, "oh it's just bad because I don't like it."
I love how everyone hated Lucas during the prequels. And then he left, which is what everyone claimed they wanted, and almost immediately they wanted him back. I wasn't one of those people. I saw STAR WARS when it came out. And I loved the prequels. Because I wanted George Lucas' version of STAR WARS. But perhaps this is the ultimate lesson Lucas has taught most STAR WARS fans: Don't be so sure what you think you want is better than what you have.
I never did I only hate his stance on the originals and their suppression. I would have preferred a sequel trilogy with Mark, Carrie and Harrison though. I'm honest I never really felt the prequel story needed to be told it was backstory, the propulsive action was in moving the story forward, having Luke train the next generation of Jedi to restore democracy and face the next threat.
But ultimately, George felt like the story of Anakin and Kenobi was the real connective tissue to bring it all together he never wanted to do more Luke adventures.
Having been 8 years old in 77 and having had Star Wars be such a big part of my childhood and life really, “something is lost” may be the best way to describe it disney-star wars now. Over the years I’ve both rationally and emotionally tried to describe it. I understood SOME of the criticisms of the PT but for me the important elements of what made Star Wars what is was were NOT lost. The story very much fit and lead to the OT. I loved the PT. Most of disneys version has not. Lost indeed. Just a sci fi show with a “Star Wars” sticker slapped on it by someone who didn’t “get” , understand or even feel those elements to begin with. Most of disney Star Wars was not made for me, sometimes to the point of even being told that, but also maybe the PT and OT were t made for the people working on it and some of the fans of it now.
Who is Disney Star Wars even made for at this point? Because it seems to me it's made for people who don't want it. Well, all I know is *I* don't want it. I figured that out watching Ahsoka. It wasn't when I watched the Last Jedi, the worst movie to ever exist. It wasn't when I watched Rogue One or Andor, the most Anti-Star Wars you could ever get... I figured it out while watching an above average show made by someone who should've known what Star Wars was about... I figured it out when I saw Dave Filoni ignore all the established lore in favor for jumping to a whole different galaxy to the one we loved. That's when I figured out I bought tickets for the wrong movie, so to speak, because everyone else was watching on like this was okay. But I checked out, and it was okay. Because I wasn't checking out of Star Wars, I was just leaving whatever that was behind.
They really just get Star Wars wrong on every single level, every single one of them, including Dave Filoni. I'd rather watch Star Wars.
Hayao Miyazaki age 83. GOING STRONG.
George Miller age 79 years of age. GOING STRONG.
Jim Davis age 71 years old. GOING STRONG.
John Lindley Byrne age 73 years. GOING STRONG.
Michael Whelan age 73 years. GOING STRONG.
Vicente Segrelles is 83 years of age. GOING STRONG.
Yoshitaka Amano is 72 years of age. GOING STRONG.
George Edward Barr is 87 years of age and GOD BLESS HIS SOUL. GOING STRONG.
Roger Dean is 79 years of age. GOING STRONG.
Mick Jagger is 80 years old and still GOING STRONG.
Keith Richards is 80 years old and still GOING STRONG.
I could go on and on adding to this list and each of these artists have made their foundation based on MERIT, imagination, creativity, passion for craftmanship, skills, MASS OUTPUT, distinctive styles, personal artistic aesthetics time and time again.
Let me put this in a way that can be understood to contrast *GEORGE LUCAS* against Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy and cohorts.
George Lucas is the only one who understands STAR WARS LORE and the Jedi Bendu and the Sith and so on like he understood the mechanics and science of automobiles especially of the racing variety. Bob, Kathleen, J.J. Abrams, Rian Johnson, Leslye Headland, etc. are not there and never will be. These people are not good stewards they're devaluing this franchise.
I think you succeeded more in contrasting a guy who hasn't made movies in decades with true artists who haven't lost their craft (or sold their work for major bank) Lucas isn't even in the league of individuals like Miyazaki or even George Miller now - he's a dinosaur.
@@moderndancingfool Well, your personal crisis is not my responsibility.
@@moderndancingfool Has any of them made Star Wars or any thing like it? Which Goerge was "making" media upto the bad batch with Dave Faloni so I doubt if he wanted to come out of reteerment etheir as an advisor or even director he very well could... But that's the trick he doesn't because he's reteered... So people don't want to work till they die... My grandpa had a once in the life time chance to serve as cheif of supply on the USS Iowa as her first choice when she came back under Ragon... He said no because he was reetered... Some people are just that way.
@@moderndancingfool George has contributed to the craft as much as all these legends if not more. Just because he retired at the age of 70 (that's past the age of retirement btw), doesn't mean he's any lesser than them, and you must have some personal issues to think otherwise
You forgot to add Dave Filoni to the list of cohorts. He may be a bit more competent than the rest of them, but at the end of the day, he doesn't understand Star Wars much better.
Is it really surprising that George doesn't care for Disney's Star Wars films?
Say what you will about him, George made the movies he wanted to make. Yes there were some missteps and stumbles and yes, it took the work of many to make the films into what they were, but at the end of the day Star Wars was his. He invested his mind, heart, and decades of his life into making these films. That kind of passion isn't just about making money, it comes from a certain type of extremely driven individual with a creative spirit and, good or bad, there is just nothing else like it.
Wow! Very inspiring writing. Honestly it’s hard for me to say whether or not selling LucasFilm was the right move. On the one hand, we have more movies and tv shows than ever before since the purchase, and some good Disney canon books (though admittedly those are few and far between). On the other hand if Disney hadn’t bought LF, we would still be getting original EU material with no politics involved. The only downside would be having to put up with Prequel Trilogy bashing and no more new live action content. 10 years later it really seems that selling Lucas’s company was a mistake. While we wouldn’t get as much media, we would have books by authors that care about the lore and the phrase “Less is more” applies here. Again very well written. 😇😇😇
@@michaelkarimian7538 Was selling Star Wars and Lucasarts the right move? To Disney? No. But generally? Yes. George already explained his thought process and he was right. He'd either retire and close down the company, or sell it and all his employees remain in business and they keep making great stories. In theory. Of course he ended up picking the wrong company. His employees got fired and his stories got butchered.
So it's not his fault. His heart was in the right place, and there really was no better option. Other than to sell to a different company anyway, but it still would've been a 50/50 chance. Half of the hollywood companies are either almost as bad as Disney, were bought by Disney, or were bought by an equally bad company later down the line. Like, the most logical decision would've been to sell Star Wars to 20th Century Fox. Where would that had gotten us? Back to Disney
@@mar_speedman Very well argued! Really puts things into perspective. 🤠🤠🤠
He feed up poop 💩
I think people vastly overestimate Lucas' love for Star Wars. If he really loved it that much he would not have sold the company. In fact: He would most likely not even have green-lit some of the weaker/weirder EU stuff.
I mean sure, unlike Disney he surly has some (emotional) attachment to it. But I imagine he's thinking about it in a more professional manner than a lot of the fans.
GL needed a Christopher Tolkien
KK was supposed to be that
@@misterfevillord1588 yeah but she wasn’t. That why I say he needed a real protege.
I kind of wish Katie Lucas was that, as she wrote the Savage Opress and Maul episodes of The Clone Wars. I don't know what she is doing or if she wants to continue her father's legacy
Well, he did have some people whom he listened to. But he would have needed someone who not only loved Star Wars but was able to purchase Lucasfilm.
That's what the EU was for, to create the ideas for his universe he didn't have the time or desire to fill out himself.
Disney Star Wars is the equivalent of a Grade School student doing a book report, when they haven't read the book.
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No no, he's got a point
People really forget that not only George Lucas casted black actors to play iconic characters, had female characters including Jedi that were competent and compelling, he also casted an indigenous person as for the most iconic characters (boba) and the clones!! Disney can’t even do that in stories that happen on Earth. The fact that the most beloved characters from my favorite franchise are portrayed by an indigenous man is so meaningful to me. First time I saw features like mine one screen. Of course, Lucas wasnt perfect but he doesn’t get enough credit
Correction, Jango. Boba was just some bounty hunter (Back during production. He'd since become so much more even before the prequels) played by a pale guy. The remasters got Temuera Morrison to redub Boba.
@@mar_speedman yeah im aware of that! But I mean in the canon, he is portrayed by an indigenous actor and that was still George’s choice during the prequels. I get the argument for the og trilogy, but I dont think it matters since we don’t see Boba’s face
I was genuinely excited for TFA. Watched it and thought, ok ... its not too bad, I like the threads they are creating, Im not crazy how we lost Han but the emotional tension was there if only because of the actors involved. I even liked Rogue one, its not a 10... but if felt like SW. My excitement was high for TLJ ... then I watched it... what garbage!!! Almost everything else had been a disappointment.
Agreed. Part of the the reason I felt TFA wasn’t the worse was bc I understood why it was done the way it was. But TLJ completely turned me off to any other movies coming next
Not everything.
Looking back it’s not that Han was killed off, it’s the fact that he turned out to be a failed dead beat dad and completely regressed his character to what?
Agreed. And even the parts of the new stuff on Disney Plus which I did like were tainted by the way they were all leading directly towards that dumpster fire of a sequel trilogy. Instead of ignoring it, they doubled and tripled down, making sure to link everything new they did to it. That ruined it all for me.
@@amfitness5598 good point
They could have asked any interesting question and went for... Racism and women... What a waste.
I would have asked him why he let Dave Filoni break continuity so much and "did you REALLY claim 'continuity is for wimps?'" George NEVER called people wimps. I think Filoni's a smarmy liar.
Well it's topical, and should hopefully shut people up. I mean to be fair you don't need George to tell you himself how he's written some of the first actual strong female characters in cinema history. You have eyes people, watch the movies! It's clear as day
But some people are thick, so he may as well just spell it out to them
That's modern journalism for you.
If memory serves specieism was added by Zahn and sexism by Anderson to the Empire to make Thrawn's and Daala's species and sex respectively a mark of distinction.
@@saberiandream316let? You mean told him to reassert Lucas' worldbuilding iceberg upon a canon that had already guessed the Clone Wars wrong *twice*. Exactly like he did with the Prequels.
It felt quite strange seeing and hearing Lucas talk about so many contemporary topics like AI and such. It has been so long since we've seen him in any interviews that it was nice to see him and how well he looks, but also quite sad to see how old he has gotten, too
George still is and will forever be the biggest expert of Star Wars, he literally knows what it's all about.
He is but changes things so many times I can't keep count!!
@@eliezerrodriguez5863 what are you referring to?
@@eliezerrodriguez5863 well, he did a bunch of modifications, to the movies over time but never changed the core of it and it's morals.
@@ericmihali9091 Midichl....
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 Midichlorians are not a retcon. They are just an explaination of how the force actually works. The knowledge of that strenghtens the point that the prequels are really set in a more civilised and enlightened era of the galaxy.
The way Star wars has been handled is example of how entertainment and art in general is being handled.
The quality is really starting to suffer and actual creative and passionate artists and workers are being squeezed out.
In the video game industry we’re are seeing shutdowns of studios and massive layoffs due to companies wanting to make money printers instead of actual games , prioritizing short term gains.
Its also behind massive push behind AI , companies are looking to cut corners where they to make even more money, not caring about the long term consequences to movies and art in general.
The irony is even though they might make massive profits in the short term in the long run as the quality is reduced to ashes so will their profits as more and more people move on to the next new thing.
It’s a shame that it’s 2024, not 1964, and we’re having these discussions. Honestly we haven’t learned nothing in these past decades. We’re still fighting over race, creed, gender etc.
A certain 'group' are always stoking it up
@BenMedia7 b..b..but... we ended slavery!!! how could racism possibly still exist?!?1//1!/!
We learned a lot. It’s just that we allowed a bunch of bad actors to socially engineer these redundant issues. We’d be fine otherwise.
Yes we are, which tells us that WOKE IDEOLOGY is Disingenuous! It's not true Diversity, it's not genuine Progressivism.
@BenMedia7 In my opinion, "stoking up" is the opposite of solving/minimising racism and sexism. Anti-white or anti-male language and policies being tolerated or encourages is also racism and sexism, which in turn creates more resentment and division.
It's such a shame he sold.
He could've retired the films leaving them as the primary canon and just licensed out toys, games, books etc. for the rest of his days and still lived high on the hog...
George wanted to secure his legacy beyond his life, and instead he ended up destroying it.
@@rector0455 The only Legacy that was destroyed as a result was the EU, which was Disney's decision to decanonize it.
@@polyman6859 The entire premise of the first six films is ruined when Darth Vader's redemption and sacrifice are nullified by the fact that he failed to kill Palpatine.
It's a crying shame, he should have just made them "open source" for the public that would have been a real nice big F**k You to Hollywood, especially Disney.
@@rector0455 Right but those 6 films are still George's vision. Everyone separates the 6 from the sequel trilogy. They're not a part of his Star Wars which is the TRUEST Star Wars. This is why the legacy remains.
Its absurd that ANYONE could possibly say that the original Star Wars is sexist or racist... Leia is basically the _definitive_ strong female leader. Lando is one of the most iconic black characters in Star Wars. Having majority white cast shouldn't be seen as racist... At that point they're just judging those actors just for being white. I'm tired of people trying to preach equality by defining people by their skin color.
It’s real silly for people at Disney/Lucasfilm today to point to themselves are say, “we’re finally portraying women or black characters in Star Wars” when George Lucas already did that and wrote better, more iconic female and black Star Wars characters.
I feel bad for many of the actors in Disney Star Wars films/shows. They get the chance of a lifetime and their talents are wasted on poorly written characters or poorly written plots. Lucas made most of his characters (even the obscure ones) legends. Disney makes most of their characters flat and forgettable.
Yes but you know at the next earnings call or whenever they want to trot him out, he will defend Iger and Kennedy and Disney. He'll gripe abut it at events like this but he will do and say what they tell him to when it matters. He might be legally obliged to, I haven't read his deal with the Devil--I mean with Disney.
You’re not a shareholder so you don’t have a say on what he owes you.
@@achaudhari101 I don’t think ScaryStoriesNYC was saying Lucas owes us, he’s just pointing out that Lucas is beholden to Disney and not badmouth them. Lucas is apart of the system now, he’s no longer the independent filmmaker who made the 1977 film.
@@achaudhari101you sound stupid
@@AmericanImperium1776 Except he did badmouth them with saying the Sequels are not his version of Star Wars. He can dislike the Sequels we got but still not want to crucify or condemn everything they do.
@@achaudhari101 Okay, I agree. But what does that have to do with my comment? I wasn’t talking about badmouthing.
People were too hard on Jake, Ahmed, and George. Disney is our reward.
True.
Good point at the end … Carrie Fisher and Natalie Portman (and in other scifi, Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton) along with Billie D Williams and Samuel Jackson always had representation and everyone thought they were great as actors and important characters.
But even before them they looked up to Aubrey Hepburn, Katherine Hepburn and Sidney Poitier, Nichelle Nichols, Eartha Kitt and Sammy Davis Jr
All broke new ground and moved the needle with becoming leads and playing important and impactful characters for their generation.
We will never find a perfect balance but much of cinema, scifi and speciality Star Wars has helped with all this these past one hundred years.
And to focus on the things of today sometimes seems at the expense of all the progress and efforts and hard work those before them have done.
I like Rae and Daisy Ridley, but I don’t follow the hype from Corporate Disney on how ground breaking it is … it’s really following a great tradition that George set forth originally.
And secretly I think Daisy Ridley feels the same as well. And is happy to continue that tradition.
Personally I want to see a good and successful Lucas style story for her and Poe and Finn !!
Not gonna happen, don't put your hopes up. The perfect story for those three was an opportunity they missed three sequel movies ago. At their very core these characters have been butchered, their much more stellar concepts left in the dust. We can only move on
As for Rey... Well, I'm sure Daisy didn't wish it, but Rey only stands on the corpses of all the strong women who came before her, because she is the antithesis of what a strong woman is. Daisy's a female lead, but she didn't play a character worth anything
@@mar_speedman oh I have ZERO expectations of it happening ever … I’m used to not getting what I want by now.
@@tedadamgreen Yeah, we all are at this point. :(
Hey Thor, a controversial question( I may get a lot of dislikes, but I don’t care), do you think fans blow Luke and Leia’s infamous kiss way out of proportion. Personally I do think they blow it out of proportion because:
1. In all the OG trilogy and Last Jedi, non of the kisses were in anyway romantic. The one in ANH was for luck, the two in ESB was to get under Han’s skin(the infamous moment) and Luke lost his hand, learned Vader was his father and hanging on for dear life. The ones in TROJ and TLJ were for goodbye.
2. I believe Lucas didn’t consider making Luke and Leia siblings until he almost finished Empire Strikes Back, or began writing Return of the Jedi. He saw Leia and Han had better chemistry.
3. Luke and Leia have a better brother and sister relationship, especially when you compare it to Jamie and Cersei Lannister from Game of Thrones.
You're absolutely right. Back in the day the same artists who painted clinch covers for the new breed of "sensual romance novels" also created covers for science fiction, fantasy, etc., as well as creating movie posters (such as the late Roger Kastel did for ESB). Look at the OG poster for Star Wars: Luke's shirt is torn open to the waist, showing his "rippling muscles" as Leia lies beneath him, her arms clinging to his virile legs.
Luke was the hero. She was the princess, so surely he'd get the girl in the end, right? Han was just another guy on the adventure, so SW was marketed with Luke and Leia as a possible couple. To little kids like me, Luke was just a whiny bigger kid with a high-pitched voice, and to people past puberty, Han was the obviously the charismatic lover.
Since George's mindset on romance never quite grew out of adolescent crushes and its awkwardness, he was the last to catch on.
Perfect example how I feel about that situation.
Yes, it was blown completely out of proportion. They didn't know they were siblings at the time. That should have been the end of it.
None of this makes it any less weird though guys.
These scenes only happened because Luke and Leia weren't written to be siblings yet. If they had I guarantee you none of those scenes would've happened.
To support the fact that George decided to pivot to Han and Leia being endgame and/ or him thinking about them being siblings while editing ESB like you suggest there's a deleted scene with Luke and Leia talking one on one and they're about to make out before getting interrupted. On it's own it's not a bad scene or felt of lesser quality compared to other scenes to me at least, so that's why I think George decided to delete it.
This is why Rogue One is the only Disney Star Wars movie that is generally like by most. It is the only one that understands StarWars.
Modern movies often feel more like products than art. Classics like Star Wars, LOTR, Matrix, Gladiator, and even Frozen (the last good thing Disney did, in my opinion) were created with passion. The only recent films that evoke a similar sense of artistic dedication are the two Dune movies (so far). In contrast Disney+, Amazon, and Netflix shows seem designed to sell subscriptions rather than to create art. The casting, sets, pacing, and lack of creativity in cinematography are examples of this. Lore, the foundational elements that made these franchises valuable to begin with are often disregarded, leading to financial losses and these studios and their bot army play the race/gender card on social media. Ignoring the core lore and reasons for a franchise's initial success ultimately alienates the fan base, causing them to lose interest and even resent the new movies/series and we complain about it because we're passionate about these things, but these losers in charge view it as toxic or trolling, when they are the ones who initiated it all by disrespecting source material and the fans that enjoy it and have lived their lives in it for decades. Of course we're going to fight back.
I was there in the theatre for that conversation in Cannes
George Lucas kind of paved the way for a lot diversity in modern films while most of the Disney films kind of regressed a bit, by drawing attention, especially negative attention to their casting choices. There was nothing directly wrong with the casting in the movies, but the way they were written or the way they call attention to their casting was kind of disgusting in a "hey, look we're not racist/sexist because we have cast this person", it's just kind of upsetting.
It’s so validating to hear from the maker himself. I’m always inspired by how wise he presents himself. He’s one of the few older people I could just listen to ramble about whatever and find it captivating.
I recently went back and watched the Book of Boba Fett, and I was reminded of why Star Wars is now in the shape it is in today. Three, maybe four episodes out of 7 only that are dedicated to the title character, who changes alignment from what we see in The Empire Strikes Back to what we see in The Book of Boba Fett.. And then a full couple and a half episodes are given to the Mandalorian and one to Luke Skywalker. It would have been better if it were named "The Lost Tales," like that J.R.R. Tolkien book that had a bunch of things here and there of notes that were put into one book. This is emblematic of Disney. We get off to a good start with The Mandalorian Seasons 1 & 2 capped by the heroic return of Luke Skywalker in the Season 2 finale, and then everything changes with Season 3. Ahsoka has that one really awesome Episode with Anakin Skywalker and Ahsoka as she descends into the afterlife, but the whole series can't stand on one episode alone. Kenobi has that one really awesome Episode at the end, but the rest is a disjointed cacophany of a wannabe series. And it goes on and on. Just no continuity or unified, continuous story throughout. And they wonder why it isn't working? They wonder why they aren't Netflix?
I was highly suspicious back in 2012 reading interviews after the purchase because not once did I read anything that said anyone at Disney got the depth of Star Wars. The mythology, the soul and sharing that with kids to help them navigate this world.
But he said he supported Bob Iger? I don't understand. Why is he now trying to walk back on his support?
He's friends with Iger and he doesn't really come off as someone who talks bad about his friends or people he knows and respect. It's like with Kasdan who had first butchered Empire and had bonkers suggestions for Return, but Lucas will never bash the guy.
You can change your mind, dude.
2 things can be true at the same time.
@@Deuteromis Well his "Friend" lied and manipulated Lucas into selling Star Wars to Disney. With friends like that....
He pretended to support Bob Iger because he’s playing the political game in order to regain some of that control over his IP. He’s scratching Bob’s back so that maybe he’ll scratches. Bob like leading scratch George’s back, so George is biting him.
My neurons made a decree: Disney SW is not canon. All my neurons agreed, and there was nothing KK and the Mouse could do about it.
That question was obviously a bait.
Good thing George Lucas handled that precisely.
The other day I saw this post on instagram where people were talking about how every accent in fantasy media are english/scottish and that they wanted other accents too, from other parts of the world. Then I remembered how star wars did that and everyone called it racist, so I guess there's that.
I don't understand this whole "racism stereotypes" polemic over star wars, I actually only found out about it last year.
I think George Lucas was right on point! I’ve watched every series of Star Wars since May 1977 at the first day premiere to Chinese theater. Never once as a black man watching this movie feel like I was being discriminated against in anyway. I took the movie for what it was, and they had Lando. I did think the Jar Jar character was kind of useless, and I kind of didn’t appreciate his character. I feel through the nine movies at their different times when they came out did the great job and reflected the first six vision of George Lucas but I have to say I really enjoyed the last three as well equally! Got to remember that this is a fantasy and people with their ideas of putting things together as best they can.
It kind of makes me wonder when the bleeding hearts complain about Godzilla and King Kong, not being represented right!
It grates on me every time I see that clip of the High Republic writer degrading Lando as some dude who just wanted to get into Leia's pants.
Gambler, entrepreneur, businessman, scoundrel, smuggler, friend, general, hero, the man who BLEW UP THE SECOND DEATH STAR. But sure, just some guy who wanted to get into Leia's pants. 🙄
That's the problem at the heart of the issue I have with virtually all of Disney Star Wars, it's people who do not understand these characters and this universe writing the continuation of it. They never loved what it was originally, and it shows.
@@rector0455 With that logic everyone was some dude trying to get into Leia's pants. Lando was. Han was. Luke was. So what?
Good to hear from George Lucas. Good to hear the Creator speaking. He has good observations about Hollywood being less interested in creativity and more interested in making money and holding onto their IPs. The latest Mad Max movie and Rings of Power come to mind.
I like Lucas's description of the purpose for Jar Jar and it was far more of an effective message than whatever message the side story on Canto Bite was trying to convey
Star Wars was always the setting for other stuff. Luke could have been a farmer in ancient Rome or mediaeval Europe and the story still works.
Now it's like "ooh look, a star wars!" And that's the whole story
In his round about way, George is saying that Disney has totally changed the focus of SW and not for the bettor. But. It's no longer his and has no power or influence in the productions. Pity he didn't stay on as the President of LucasFilms for a few years after the sale. He might have been able to produce a decent sequel and left the next two ready for production.
9:03 Thank god you say that now of days when someone say “First female of something ” it just feels like they have superiority complex.
"First female" anything for Star Wars is and always has been a lie to ignorant normies who don't know better.
Hey Thor, a question im sure you've been asked or answered in some form already but I'll throw it in.
Where would Star Wars be had George not sold it? I mean clone wars finished, EU continues, maybe bad batch and a darker version of rebels are a part of it?
Animated thrawn trilogy and dark empire?
Liking and commenting because I hope Thor reads the comment, but also in absence I will provide my own answer:
The Clone Wars were definitely cancelled by Disney, so if he hadn't, it would've continued for a few more seasons. The Bad Batch were also already a working concept, though I doubt the Bad Batch as a show would've existed. I also doubt Rebels as a show would've existed, since its very existence was demanded by Disney. The EU would've continued because George had nothing against it, but George would've also disregarded it while making his sequels, which he would've made. The treaties have already been leaked. As for Animated Thrawn Trilogy and dark empire... Doubt it, George doesn't make a habit of adapting EU stories. He did adapt concepts at times, but not stories straight up. It might've happened though, who knows
What would've happened, is a planned live action show that sort of deals with the underworld of Coruscant. Or maybe just a general darker Star Wars show. We don't really know for sure, it was in the early phase. George had a lot of plans, he only sold because... Well he had a lot of plans, and when he thought it through he realized he didn't wanna spend the next 20 years devoting his life to Star Wars
Another thing about casting Billy Dee Williams casting, Lando is irreplaceable. If Lando wasn't where he was, then Han Solo would not be in the places he would be with his friends. The Death Star 2 would have never been destroyed, Han would wtill be Jabba's palace, and Luke would have fallen from Cloud City.
I thought Lucas was very diplomatic, and his comments fit with things he's said in the past.
It's kind of amazing that people still occasionally judge "A New Hope" like it was a modern movie. In a way it shows how successful Lucas was in creating six movies that tell a single timeless story. We don't think of them as period pieces, even though "New Hope" came out in 1977. Imagine deciding that "Saturday Night Fever" has too many white people, or "Smokey And The Bandit" is too sexist by modern standards! It seems silly because they're obviously period pieces, films from a bygone era. "A New Hope" is from the same era, but it doesn't feel that way at all.
There are a few productions from the Disney Star Wars that I really liked - including "Rogue One", "Solo", "Obi-Wan" Season Two of "The Mandalorian" and "The Acolyte". But . . . I still don't have a high opinion of the current franchise, overall. I have more respect for Lucas' six films between 1977 and 2005 than I do for anything produced by Disney.
Hey Thor,
I often think of Disney Star Wars as these guys producing CW Arrowverse type quality. It’s not just others playing in the sandbox, it’s someone who knows character names, and few abilities and just decides” oh this will be cool.” There used to be talk of Mandoverse coming together like the Avengers or something, but it’s just not on that level, and it’s just going to be a slightly better CW DC content with devastating affects on long time fans.
I feel like I was one of the few fans who'd rather never have new SW again, instead enjoy what we already had w the EU (which is tons), than get half assed fanfic attempts at sth the writers don't really want to do.
I found it laughable that prople supposedly accused Lucas' Star Wars movies of being "racist" but didn't bat an eye over "Lord Of The Rings"! I saw the making of the first film and half of the making of"The Two Towers" ...strictly Euro casts...in the early 2,000s? I wasn't interested in the 3rd film. Lucas was apparently more forward thinking than some of his critics.
Sounds like Mr. Lucas doesn't support Wokeism, SJW tropes, and Presentism, based on his statements. Meaning: He's probably less than thrilled with at least 50% of what has been done with Star Wars, since 2012. Looking at you, Kathy.
George has amended his famous quote. It’s always been "…I made it for 12 year-old boys". And yes, that distinction matters because Disney has turned it into a female series and wrecked it. It’s really that simple but few want to go there.
I love ❤ the Star Wars prequel trilogy. And he should buy back Star Wars and bring it back to Cartoon Network 😊
That would be great since back when The Clone Wars was on Cartoon Network, the show had a lot more leeway to depict grounded, nuanced topics and graphic depictions portraying a galaxy wide war while telling a fantastic story simultaneously without needing to tone it down to a more family-friendly level the way Disney did with Rebels (not that it was a bad show).
Besides, there have been a lot of family-friendly/TV-Y7 shows with great storytelling that weren't afraid to touch upon dark subjects like the original Teen Titans, the original Ben 10, as well as Avatar: The Last Airbender (the latter of which Dave Filoni worked on before Clone Wars; I already know ATLA is a Nicktoon so no need to correct me).
Even if Disney will never sell Star Wars or Lucasfilm as a whole, CN could still buy the broadcasting rights to the show and even air the once Netflix-exclusive Season 6 as well as the Disney+-exclusive Season 7, in the same manner as they’ve done with the Fox animated series like Family Guy, King of the Hill, Bob’s Burgers, etc. on Adult Swim.
Those days are over. Cartoon Network is crap now, The Clone Wars has been concluded, and George is retired. We should learn to move on. Just accept that all the Star Wars we'll get is the Star Wars we got, appreciate that it's still here with us rather than hope for something that will never be
They truly don't care about the universe that Lucas built and we grew up loving. Disney have been vocal about not caring about staying true to the original idea they want to do something completely different everytime and creating a overall story is not in there intrest
I mean Lucas’ comments on “The Force” here are interesting, implying he’s always known what it’s all about when clearly that’s not the case.
The Force in the prequels is faaar different from the Force in the originals, specially Empire Strikes back, where you had several writers working on it.
That’s why fans were angry when Lucas introduced Miniclorians and “the will of the force” in the Prequels, that kind of stuff was never even close to that in the OG films.
I’ve given up caring what George thinks. I agree with you however that Disney has no idea what Star Wars is about, nor do they care and that’s why it’s in such a mess/a dead franchise.
So, George Lucas keeps saying that these movies were supposed to be for kids, that's why the scripts were the way they were. He knew or should have known by the response to his original Star Wars that he didn't need to dumb down the scripts to make them for kids. Also, showing a guy getting his arms and legs cut off, and then simulating what happens when lava burns his skin, eyes, and singes his hair off? That was for kids??? Hmm... ok. Also, I wonder if George Lucas could go back, knowing what Jake Lloyd went through after being in The Phantom Menace, if he still would have made that disaster of a movie or if he would have worked with somebody to create at least a somewhat respectable script.
I always find it interesting when videos are made bashing Disney Star Wars. Like it’s no secret they messed up. And some fans want them to acknowledge that. But the moment George says something about Disney in an interview. Those fans are like, “See, see. He doesn’t like Disney Star Wars either.” But when George mentions that the movies are for children it’s met with, “Well George, Star Wars is actually for everyone.” I’m curious what his response would be when asked, “Star Wars is now owned by one of Hollywood’s biggest studios. Something you never really wanted to be a part of. And its fan base is mostly lead by male adults. An audience it was never intended for. What do you say to that?
I remember the Originals being called bad in part because of how women and aliens are presented as equals to human men and some even had a problem with Lando because he was black. This was a kids movie,..
You can’t please everybody on these issues let alone for decades after release.
@greglbennett It depends on which group you were around. Social conservative circles complained about it top of its spirituality.
Aliens = evil
The Force=eastern religion=bad
So, yes, depending on group. They had issues on it.
Thank you so much for this video. I think you and Lucas have perfectly described what Star Wars is missing
Given what I know about gaming journalism, mainly how game developers will pay the press to give them food reviews for not very good products, I'm convinced that the bad press the Prequels got was just hit against George.
Eh... No, it's nothing quite so malicious. They were just snobs who couldn't get past their egos. A lot of their complaints are really shallow, but also when you look at them complaining, they really believe what they say.
Know where it first came from? A little station called ABC, run by... huh, look at that. Bob Iger.
@@doomsdayrabbit4398 Okay, I think you're making stuff up by that point
Phantom Menace was released in 1999, the bad reviews not long after. Bob Iger wasn't even CEO of Disney at that point.
Why would Bob Iger even want to ruin Star Wars's reputation. It makes no sense whatsoever
George Lucas looks GOOD! He is the master of Star Wars, and a master storyteller!
The sequel era sucked, but so did the prequel era. Lucas made some great work in his prime, but the moment he sold off his empire for bank is the moment I stopped feeling sorry for him. And it's not like it was just the sequel era - Filoni & Favreau are also responsible, but people out here think they're not part of 'Disney' when they are. Tell me Book of Boba Fett or Ahsoka were brilliant writing & you can't. It's hit or miss because things like the animation efforts with several shows have been strong (to even exceptional) and Andor as a stand alone is brilliant - best show of 2022 you could argue.
George Lucas DIRECTED ONLY SIX FILMS. Read that again - SIX FILMS. He's been credited as the 'Writer' on SEVEN FILMS with eight more story credits. In directing, he didn't direct for 22 years, with the gap between Return and Phantom Menace.
At some point, maybe we should realize that he did great work, but his time and archaic ideas were from decades ago. No thanks, I'm good with not knowing what he thinks.
Man, I love George. A1 from day one. Handled those brutally unwarranted questions with wisdom, patience and precision. THIS MAN is Star Wars. Anything good in Star Wars comes from us copying with excruciating attention to detail anything he says, does or believes. And the crazy thing is, we can only get so close. George keeps star wars alive simply by being here to remind the real fans what it's all about. Love this man
The Bad Batch truly keeps with Lucas' vision for guiding children and expounding on the world.
The show was made long after George Lucas gave up control. It has nothing to do with his vision. Filoni is a hack who hates continuity.
@@saberiandream316 For the last time, Filoni is not on the show. Read the credits
I wouldn't say that. It looks very similar to real Star Wars, but it's far too dark... As is everything in the dark times
@@mar_speedman But he HAS admitted before, braggingly so, that he doesn't like continuity and that he always knew he was going to break canon the moment he was hired. If you truly think Dave Filoni cares about continuity, then you're just deluded.
@@saberiandream316 No I don't. I agree, Dave isn't all he's cracked up to be
But he's also not involved with the Bad Batch, so what's your point?
It is a bit annoying when people have to act like it's the first time a minority has ever been in some movie role like Marvel was acting like black panther was the first black superhero movie ever what is the Spawn movie and the Blade movies chopped liver?
I think the sequel trilogy is the only real Disney fail. Obi-wan and Boba Fett weren’t great but we’ve had good Star Wars like Rogue One, Rebels, The Mandalorian (Seasons 1 & 2), and Andor.
Thanks George for selling the franchise to Iger and KK, I hope you're enjoying the money
I just wish George Lucas just gatekeep it his Star Wars Lucasfilm
Nice to see Based George Lucas back. Still annoyed he backed Bob Over though.
Over Nelson Peltz? That was a good call by Lucas.
TBF, he might've been lying about backing Iger.
We're in a world in which Lucas has to explain these common sense things. Anyone with eyes can see that Leia and Padme were already strong females.
What Disney is good at is tricking people to work with them.
We got the mess with the sequals.
We got the Mandalorian doing well... the sudden freeze and drama behind the scenes... and then we got the unrush of each TV show getting progressively worse with more The Message shoved into it.
We got more background drama and fighting... and then more deals cut with promises of something good, but more slaps in the face as what is given is worse.
And still Disney dances by cutting new deals and tricking people that they know best.
Just look at George deciding to side with the guy who openly praised himself for conning George as their studio went out and insulted George with all of these claims of racism, sexism, and so forth.
Yet Disney is still there, making new deals, and making people think they won't continue making bigger messes.
@Thor Skywalker not sure if this is something you have talked about before on the channel, but how do you feel about the Mortis arc in TCW? It confirms in-universe that balance in the force, and Anakin's destiny as the chosen one, was by controlling both the light side and the dark side. Which of course contradicts the original conception of balance being absence of the darkside/evil. While I still personally like the arc and the show as a whole, I think Filoni and Lucas made a mistake and it makes me think that Lucas doesn't ALWAYS know how star wars or the force actually works.
In my opinion, I don't think that arc actually revealed anything about the force. It just depicted someone corrupted by the darkside, someone who isn't, and someone who wields both. It also foreshadowed Anakin's need to embrace both the force as a whole, and the dark side, if he's to fulfill his destiny. It doesn't necessarily mean the existence of the light side of the force
Keep in mind, in the EU, there's actually three. There's the force, the light side, and the dark side. In that depiction, the force is neutral ground, but you can't tread it without tilting one way or another. It's so hard to remain neutral without dedicating to that path
The mortis arc contradicts this idea, because the father, or Anakin, they don't stay in the middle and avoid the light or dark. They wield both at once, and thus can control both at once. And so, you can interpret it as 'There's the light side and the dark side and Anakin can wield both', or a very similar sentence that contradicts little of the Mortis Arc: The force and the dark side, and Anakin must learn to control the darkness inside him to control the dark side, without losing himself to it, so he can also control the force.
It is a difficult arc to interpret in one clear way, though I will also say that the mortis gods aren't meant to be manifestations of the force. Otherwise they wouldn't die. They're just really powerful and mysterious individuals.
@@mar_speedmanThe EU never depicted the Force like that. It depicted the light side as the Force's natural state.
@@karimion2157 KotOR II definitely implied the light side was equally 'corruptiing', though perhaps it was the exception rather than the norm
The EU was just a collection of stories written by a collection of eager writers who all wanted to expand on the lore, sometimes things conflict
Also it could just be interpreted as Kreia's own views on the force rather than the force itself? I will admit when I'm wrong, but that's what I'd gotten from KotOR
When people then asks as to why Lucas backed Iger it’s because he is a shareholder. Now, that doesn’t mean he agrees what Iger had done. He only did it to keep his money afloat. As for his feelings he still is hurting no doubt and deeply regrets his decision.
By my count the only way you can consider Rey "groundbreaking" in Star Wars is as the first Live Action Female Main Character Jedi in a Star Wars movie. Any fewer qualifiers and it's already been done. Female Main Character Jedi in a Star Wars movie? Ashoka. Live Action Female Jedi in a Star Wars movie? Take your pick of Prequel characters. Live Action Female Main Character in a Star Wars movie? Leia, obviously.
The difference is Leia took charge but didn't have to be everything. She let others cook.
Rey had to be the smartest, strongest, bravest, answer to every problem in the sequel trilogy. Ffs.
It's really ironic that people call George's movies racist when his movies showed the most nuanced takes toward racism. Disney Star Wars is always like 'we need to have a black one here and an asian one there' but when you look at the final movie... They're all human. The movies are almost completely devoid of aliens. When you look at George's movies, you see he looks past *our* races and depicts alien races, because he knew that not everything had to be taken at face value. He knew that an alien mistreating a robot is much more effective as a commentary about racism in a piece of escapism media than anything Disney ever tried to do
And about the women... George really wasn't hard on Han and Luke at all, they really were clowns in that first film, but not in a bad way. When he says that Luke knew nothing and Han could accomplish nothing, he wasn't demeaning them. It's just at that point in the timeline, neither had fit into their roles yet. Luke was just a boy, Han was a drifter, neither were heroes yet, while Leia was fighting for the rebellion for who knows how long! The two men were trying to play hero, but they'd never fought the empire before. Neither of them really knew what they were doing, unlike Leia. That's why even though she was physically less capable (You can see it in the way she's uncomfortable with a blaster), she took charge because the two of them weren't being competent rescuers. She gave the shots because she had the info they lacked (like how the empire let them go and were tracking them, she's the only one who figured it out)
That's not to say that Han and Luke were completely worthless or that George was demeaning them, they all had their flaws and their strength, all three of them. Luke had his ingenuity, Han had his bravado, and Leia had leadership. Also Luke and Han did grow as the movies went on, so again, that statement was never meant to disregard their accomplishments or demean them
It's ironic because of how diverse the prequels really were. And then they insist the clones are an allegory for Mexicans storming the border. I swear, you just can't satisfy some people...
@@saberiandream316 Oh but of course they are. And the dark side is an allegory for women on their period... Or something... I dunno how these people come up with these claims
Edit: Okay, UA-cam was posting my comments but not showing them for some reason...
@@saberiandream316what even
Disney needs to stop trying to buy other people's audiences and start earning their own.
I kept hearing that Lucas had a bunch of health issues and was barely able to walk on his own two feet... he does seem better in these recent interviews but you can hear how his voice is labored and scratchy... more than in the past. There has been some push back on Lucas' comments mainly because the wounds of betrayal are still fresh for some when he backed Iger for the Disney proxy war to some sector of the fanbase. I don't think Lucas has much longer for this world tbh and when his death comes sooner than we think, it will still generate a mixture of emotions over him and his legacy
Thanks for a good video covering this
Hey Thor, lately i've been thinking about how JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson went against George Lucas's lore in Star Wars. JJ said in an interview with Slashfilm that he didn't believe in midichlorions and said that the Force was a power anyone can achieve just by believing in it and it's not based on how many midichlorions you have. I am aware of the 'Karate' quote from George, but it is worth noting that was taken from 1981 and i don't think that was ever implied in the prequels, so I think it's possible he may have changed his mind over time. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think George has said anything lately to support the 'Karate' quote and I'd argue that if it wasn't referenced recently and if his films, the prequels, contradicted it, then the quote is no longer relevent. Anyway, as for Rian, his definition of balance was equal light and equal dark, which goes against what George established in the prequels, where it's the very presence of the Sith that causes unbalance. I have this sneaking suspicion that JJ and Rian chose not to reach out to George Lucas for his input on their ideas, because they both knew he'd say 'no'. I think if you are going to adapt or continue someone else's work, or add something new, it needs to abide by these two things: 1. Don't contradict anything the creator established. 2. It has to be met with the creator's approval. Sure, it is likely reaching out to George didn't cross JJ or Rian's minds, but either way it shows they should not have been involved with Star Wars. They had no right to just do whatever they wanted.
The midichlorians don't contradict the... 'karate' quote. It's quite simple, anyone can wield the force. But*. Now that's very important... *But* the more affinity you have with the force, the easier it is for you to learn and master it. If you don't have affinity, you can still learn to wield the force, but it would take an exceptional amount of practice and discipline to achieve it, only to become a weak Jedi compared to one who is strong in the force. On the other hand if you had great affinity, learning the ways of the force comes to you with ease. Midichlorians only expand on that affinity. Everyone has midichlorians in their blood. That's not what makes you force sensitive. It's the concentration of midichlorians that matter. See, Anakin had a huge midichlorian count. That's why he was a gifted Jedi, one of the strongest despite being a late student. On the other hand, Obi-wan had a lower midichlorian count than the average Jedi (But not so low that he's not Jedi material entirely), so it took greater discipline and practice to get where he got. (That's EU lore btw. It's not specified with midichlorians, but it is stated that he wasn't as gifted)
So you see, midichlorians don't contradict George's statement from 1981. More importantly, JJ's faulty understanding of the force contradicts George's statement. One doesn't just become strong in the force just by believing. You don't just get an awakening and become a powerful Jedi. That's bull, and it's never been this way, ever. You either are strong in the force, or you're not. It's just if you're weak in the force, you can also train and become a halfway decent Jedi after a lot of practice and discipline.
As for Rian Johnson... He didn't invent the concept of light vs dark. The EU did. I'm not sure at what point people started thinking that balance meant an equal amount of Jedi and Sith though. I'm pretty sure that's new. It's always been recognized that the Sith are evil and achieving balance is to get rid of them
I always felt the midichlorians wasn't necessary, but it was put in there to explain the chosen one prophecy because Lucas thought rightly it would go over the head of general audiences. I personally like Kenobi's description of the force in Star Wars more.
@@matthewgaudet4064 The midichlorians were necessary. Just because you're content suspending your disbelief, doesn't mean there aren't questions midichlorians haven't answered
How does the force work? What makes one sensitive? How do the Jedi know if someone is force sensitive? Those questions can't be dismissed with a simple 'Oh it just is', even if most would rather
The prequels were the height of Jedi culture. George needed to show the difference between a time when the Jedi were barely even remembered, and a time when they had a community. Of course the Jedi understand how the force works on a scientific level, they've had hundreds of centuries to figure it out.
The midichlorians both show how much more the Jedi know than what was known in the original trilogy (after all that lost knowledge) and answer all those questions.
@@mar_speedman , well it made more sense to me when George talked about the living force and cosmic force. Then I was like I get it, but the movie didn't really explain it.
George was trying to teach us things, like an eccentric dad, then Disney came along and totally missed the point.
Sadly disney iirreparably broke star wars along with the original fan's heart all the while searching for the new fan that simply isn't there...😔
If Kathy hadn't betrayed Lucas i mean she is a powerful Women in the Hollywood industry, in a time where metoo has been a thing and Women getting listened to more in all areas; so as a "Women" Kennedy would have absolutely been listened to by Bob Iger and Alan Horn way back in 2012; IF she had just influenced and convinced those guys to agree to fully using George Lucas's *Treatments*.
Then if they had simply hired Jon Favreau to write and direct Ep7 and Joseph Kosinski to write/direct Ep8, i can't think who they could have got for ep9 but I know IF that was how things had went we would have had one amazing Sequel Trilogy which most Fans young and older would love. We certainly wouldn't have ended up with the Division we have now today.
You say that like she wasn't the first to take the opportunity to backstab George. This woman has delusions of granduer
Kathleen Kennedy isn't a powerful Hollywood person. She's the Coffee Bringer that managed to get her name on the credit listing for a lot good movies where the real talent wasn't her. How she got GL to make her CEO of Lucasfilm.....still a mystery. Then she lied her ass off and betrayed GL. How she managed to keep her job after the Disney acquisition is also a mystery. She has also destroyed Indiana Jones.
@@rickbase833 Well i mean, that's the power she has, because Disney cannot sack her under any circumstance (save a bad scandal). I get what you're saying but Kennedy she is considered a darling of the industry.
I don't even think she convinced Lucas, i just think he couldn't find anyone at all who he could entrust starwars to in the end; and he just turned to Kathy Kennedy because she had helped him produce his Indiana Jones movies in the 80s.
But i agree Kennedy has NO Creative talent whatsoever; i see her as just more of a monies type person, she knows how to get a production made and well back in the day, completed on time and under budget; i think that's why Hollywood love her so much. Other than that, yeh she was really just a glorified "secretary" for the big, talented directors.
She's basically rode the coatails of Men in the industry all her life. Kennedy is that much of a Intersectional Feminist, she has a "Husband" and is Married yet doesn't even take his name as her own.
Sabé & Padme are my favorite prequel characters and that’s all i have for u this time c:
"ThEy'rE aLl WhYte MeN!!" Well yeah, its a Western myth.
Only in the first two movies, and certainly not in anything after 1983.
@@saberiandream316 If you mean the amount of people of different races, sure. If you mean it being a Western myth, it's always been
@@mar_speedman I meant that the first two movies had a disproportionate number of white men in large groups. Look at the Battle of Yavin. Battle of Hoth. I just don't think there's anything inherently _wrong_ with that because it doesn't meet the required modern politically correct "diversity" quotient.
Lucas oversaw and approved the Morris Arc in the Clone Wars. To this day I’ve yet to see a single analysis of that arc and of “what it says about the Force” make sense.
I hate hypocrisy, but in the case of Lucas, he is in an extremely difficult situation. I can forgive him but it still sucks to see him kn that very difficult situation where he isnt sllowed to seak openly because theres a lot at stake. people need to realize that before calling him two faced. You can almost see him strugging to hold back.
I can’t even take these claims seriously after he praised Bob Iger.
Take what was said there with a grain of salt. That was a political statement based on his relative belief on who would be better.
THANK THE MAKER! Much to to GL 🙏🏿❤️
I hope this man lives to be 100
This video is 10% Lucas quotes and 90% commentary.
The prequels were NEVER racist and sexist, only racists and sexists think that. I _do_ understand if you don't like that Revenge of the Sith reduced Padme to being Anakin's pregnant wife, but don't forget, she _had_ things to do in the deleted scenes, which are just as valid to me as the movie itself. So I have no problem with that.
Deleted scenes that were likely cut because George didn't want more bitching about "omgz politics".
Even Marcia said the prequel was racist in the vice documentary, I thought that was low.
@@matthewgaudet4064 Interviews can be cut to give almost the exact opposite opinion of what the interviewee wanted to give with enough skill and footage. Just cut away from the speaker when you need to obscure what they actually said. Something like "I actually think *it's bullshit that people think that* they're full of racist characters," can have the part I bolded cut out *so* easily in post it's not even funny. Just cut to B-roll of George with Ahmed, Ewan, and Liam, or the classic picture of George pointing with Mark, or even just the interviewer frowning while steeping his fingers.
I don't think any of us really understand the force besides George and Filoni.
None of them were really leaders anyway despite being called General, didn't command or lead armies or create battle plans, all Leia really did was organize the Hoth evac
I still find it hilarious that the total profit Star Wars has made since Disney's aquisiton still have yet to reach the $4 billion they paid for. It has been a decade and yet Disney has yet to make Star Wars profitable.
By the way, about my previous comment where I said Jedi: Fallen Order was making me rebuild my love of the films, I did finally beat the game and loved it. I've moved onto Survivor and all of me (expect my hands) is enjoying it thoroughly.
I always thought Star Wars was made for kids and the kids in all of us
One thing you CAN SAY about G Lucas is all his movies were all unified and followed a clear narrative arc, regardless of your opinion on the prequels. The creators of the sequels dropped the ball here! 😢
It's so frustrating. The absolute hubris. It would be like making LORD OF THE RINGS movies while Tolkien was still alive and *not* using his ideas