Did Games Workshop FIX or RUIN 10th Edition?
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
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Thousand Sons got more nerfs than Eldar did. The strat change was enormous for how they play because all our trickery was locked behind not battle tactics strats. And then every single unit we’d ever want to play with that wasn’t a tank went up in points by a pretty solid chunk.
@@theviewbotprobably all of them rn
Right... because 53% win rate with the Tsons was too outrageous or something. Pfft.
@@jakegoodrich6520no, only the rules team, the modeling guys clearly don't
I know its so annoying, i had to change up all my lists and 10 rubric marines is so expensive
@@gutzmatvyou do realize how I pointed out how it’s multiple layers of nerfing, right? Including more layers than what was done to the bogeyman 75% rate made 63% because of mirror matching only?
I think it really depends on the army you play. If you play Sisters of Battle, 10th edition feels apocalyptic. The dataslate doesnt even help with the core issues and GW misunderstanding of the army.
This. I'm playing Orks but my main local playing partner plays Sororitas, and let me tell you, it's awful. No reliable ST 12 weaponry, Meltas nerfed to oblivion, no synergies, irritating restrictions on leader attachment possibilities and a general lack of rules. Sisters back then were "weak datasheets, strong rules", now they're "weak-ish datasheets, less-than-mediocre rules", which makes for a struggling position power-wise. If you're not opting for a Vindicare and a Knight.
What's worse, is that the match ups sisters won received bigger buffs
@@eduardop727 I've tried to wrap my head around this multiple times, but I've yet to come up with a list that can reliably wound, sustain fire and play objectives against e.g. Imperial Knights. The odds are definitely STACKED against them right now.
I play sisters of battle...10th edition feels fantastic minus the odd squad size choices
As a death guard player the changes were very appreciated!
I played a game on Sunday with an army list I adjusted after the big points discount on Friday. I got so many points knocked off my Tau army that I managed to fit in a pack of Kroot, a Shaper, _a Krootox _*_and a Broadside_* with all the discounts I got!
I’m getting my self in gear and painting and finishing my army. Thanks gents!! Fantastic as always!!!
Off topic question, where did u get the heads you used for ur orcs. I know u say in the video but I can't hear
I think the changes are good and bad.
Devastating Wounds definitely needed to be reworked because some of those big guns just wiping entire squads were just ridiculous. On the other hand, punch through wounds were kind of cool. I think they could have done both and changed certain models but not others by introducing a second keyword to replace Devastating Wounds on certain weapons and abilities. However, that would have required a change of a whole lot of datasheets and I think GW steered away from that as much as possible.
On the other hand, the change of Stratagems is really bad IMHO. It just takes away a lot of what makes specific factions the way they are, and makes some of the models which are supposed to be the leaders kind of worthless. Space Marine Captains and Necron Overlords are suddenly a whole lot less attractive than they are supposed to be. I understand why they did that, but if Overwatch was that much of a problem they should have just added another restriction to Overwatch so you really can only Overwatch once per turn, rather than nerfing almost every other stratagem and a bunch of models.
I'm really only interested in Grey Knights. With the points decreases, my list got about 250 more points to play with. I was already a few points under cap, so I can add nearly 300 points to my army.
That's 2 units of Strike marine equivalents or 1 Terminator unit/Paladin unit/Dread Knight and a character.
Love your commentary on the state of the game, but we wanna see you painting and modeling!!! Keep blazing.
Eh. I like these videos. The channel is a good balance between lots of different parts of the hobby. Remember they put out 3-4 videos a week and stream twice a week HOW…… difficult that schedule must be to keep up. These commentary video’s definitely ease the work load as the painting/modelling videos must take much more time to produce. I’m happy with the balance
@@Carpet3012MC no complaints here either. Just wish there were more hours in the day for the EOB team!
Idk about ruin the game, but definitely ruined my army
any information on the nightlords of chaos, or other undivided chaos armies? is the havok reaper assault cannon still awesome?
I just discovered you without knowing anything about Warhammer and now I'm hooked like crazy and need to know everything😂😂 my wife says thank you for my new obsession
Hmm.. I think I’ll just keep my head down and keep painting..😅
The core rule changes also hit the top armies - by design.
Dude I know its not 40k related but check out Star Trek into the Unknown.... it looks like its gonna be SUPER epic :D eat your heart out Star Wars Armada lol
Here is hoping arbites changes means I can get a box for kill team for less than freaking $150
I feel like use grey knight players are the skeletons in the titanic just forgotten 10th made them so hard to use effectively and these changes just made it even harder
Honestly they went after desolation squads harder than eldar to the point you'd think they were ruining the game when really they were one of the few things capable of keeping eldar in check (although only in deathwatch). They were marines best unit because of how underwhelming most space marine units are, they were only really busted in deathwatch where they could apply the custom rounds, however that was fixed in the dataslate. They really didn't need to be dumpstered as hard as they were, the deathwatch change would have been enough, it seems like they had 3 options for nerfing them, either raise points, cap unit size, or nerf deathwatch, but rather than picking one they went with all three and it's completely ruined the unit, they're barely even viable for casual play given how expensive they are to run.
I was a bit skeptical to the changes towards guard but it actually seems as if it's brought them to a healthier point, not being as reliant on artillery lists and going back to much more of a combined arms playstyle. I also think imperial knights were supressing them a bit. Not surprised by sisters though, they need to be votann levels of cheap and they just aren't there sadly. The issue with their detachment rule is they basically don't have one until they start losing, and it's not enough to even the playing field. They need the +1 to wound more than the +1 to hit, but by the time they get it the unit is so depleted it doesn't make a difference. Their whole army strategy is basically reliant on rolling hot because they just don't have the strength on their weapons to wound most high toughness units effectively. I think GW just need to contend with the fact that faction abilities that benefit you only when you're disadvantaged just don't work in the game, and almost always result in your army being at a permanent disadvantage vs armies that have their faction abilities at all times unless the ability can somehow make up for the losses, but they never do, and they never account for the fact that they can easily be countered by overkilling units.
They must have sold all the aghastus boxes
For Sisters (and Crusher Stampede Tyranids) getting stronger when hurt causes serious issues in an edition where wiping a unit out rather than damaging it is the norm. The fact that a Sisters unit is more likely to be vaporized rather than just damaged really makes their detachment rule weak. Never mind their damage output.
Still not sure why GW can’t seem to realize reliability in a game with random mechanics is a HUGE advantage, and the Eldar get two good ones? Sisters have practically the same fate dice rule, but not much to use them on - so it doesn’t look like a problem, but Eldar are basically showing what the Sisters could be if they had decent stuff. And then on top of it, Eldar detachment rule is one set of rerolls each time a unit attacks, and THEN they still have Phantasm? Even nerfed, that strategy is still too good. It’s just too much reliability for one team to have. They’d have to nerf their gear down to Sisters level to get it all under control. (And they get those dice front loaded? How much more do you need?). It’s just like - wow - that there weren’t even more hits to the Eldar. (And the Dark Eldar getting hit with collateral damage from Eldar success sucks even worse.)
As a custodes player I’m sad with the changes …. They needed it but it felt heavy handed points increase …. Half unit size, and basically useless detachment rule as now they don’t get their 4+ fnp on dev wounds … that hurts a lot
They didnt fix or ruin it, as usual, they used the nerf bat on things that didnt need it and ignored the shit that did. Eldar will still be top dog for the forseeable future.
Yoooooooo necrons gettin lit with king 420
Can a weapon damage more then 1 model and if yes, wen does that happen?
7:20 In defense (humm... attack?) of Admech, their lists didn't drop by 100-200pts due to troops as no one was taking more than 1 or 2 units of them. This correction removed the tragic comedy that was their previous 100/125pts cost, but the units themselves are still do-nothings, with exception of a very niche tactic of spamming 3-4 Duneriders with Vanguard inside, but 99.9% of players won't ever own that many transports to cheese it out. Average Admech armies will be able to fit a couple more units in their lists just like most
Nothing about us templars??? We got so many points drops! We are definitely one of the top tier marine chapters now I can’t wait to put 50 crusaders and some gladiators on the table and go to town
I just want to be able to run my melee wraith knight and not have to pay for the ranged variant while doing it.
Dark Angels watchers in the dark nerfed. As well as Terminator Chaplains
Custodes and IK got hit hardest
I'm just so tired of catching up with all the changes. My documents and books are constantly invalidated, corrected, rectified... this is a mess. I'm happy playing OPR though. Have you ever checked it out, Jay?
The Adeptus Mechanicus didn't get nearly enough attention. The anti tank is too sl unreliable, half of our guns are S3 AP0 D1, and our melee units just don't do enough. Being cheaper is okay, but AdMec shouldn't be a horde army :/
Stares intensely at 9th edition... 👀👀
@@colouredIncognito it's crazy to think I miss it. The army should be less lethal than 9th, but it's also less lethal than most other armies. Having d6 damage on all of our anti tank guns (minus arc weapons) is kinda sad.
It gets worse when you compare it to other indexes like SM & Guard
@@colouredIncognito8th AdMech could shoot the enemy off thw board during deployment.
@@malakimphoros2164as someone who fought mostly 8th edition admech... yeah. I was playing harlequins and getting nuked somehow lmao and now they can literally nuke the battlefield and they're still not as strong as they were in 8th lol
Im not convinced the strategm change was needed but I have yet to play a game with the new rules so ig we’ll see
(I play necrons)
Im glad Grey knights had their points lowerd for a better shooting gallery.
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Games Workshop: designs broken game, sells broken game, players buy broken game, try and make broken game work, find out game is broken, then hopes the next fumble-thumbed "fix" will magically make the broken game, whole, and not just more and more broken.
The core rulebook is SCRAP before the first codex comes out!
How anyone could see 10th as anything else than a truly embarassing failure defeates me, almost as much as why people want to play this dull tedious book-keepers version of what USED to be a dynamic and exciting sci-fi wargame, not just an excuse to use all your toys with ridiculous armies lacking any essential balance in the FIRST place. Its certainly stupifying dull to watch 10th battle reports, 3.5 hour plus for a 2K points game, what is this, 2nd edition? 25 years of progress wiped away to make the game a turgid slog again. Anyone remember when TROOPS were the backbone to winning games?
The game is very simplified, the time comes from army size inflation.
@@malakimphoros2164 dont agree with that, game used to be able to handle much larget armies with far greater efficiency, what I see, even at tournament level, is the only way to make the game work is for players to have an intense discussion about rules interactions and make sure they are both playing the same game at every step through every stage, its a massive time waste and certainly doesnt respect players time, these systems work great working in the background in a computer game, indeed, computer simulations of 10th edition work fine, but dumping all this mental load on players looking to chill and have a good time is frankly deriliction of game design. I would hate to try and recruit new gamers if the only tool I had was an intro game of 10th, and even if I did get the core rules across it would completely fail to prepare those gamers for what the game is actually like to try and run even casually, especially when you dont know the army you are going to face and both players have to try to work out how all the interactions fit together. "army size", what a joke, the game struggles to run with just a few models a side, agreed, but thats not the fault of the troops choices, but the system they are trying to be a balanced part of: they are not! For the most part they are just disposable "bad" choices when the meta is chasing as much damage output matched with tankyness as possible, whose only viable function is standing on an objective doing nothing all game.
@@malakimphoros2164the game is too bloated. There are so many extra systems to account for with strategims and CP that it makes it feel less like a game and more like calculating taxes.
@@sprucemoose6311 hah, GW accountants finally remade the game in their own image... you are right, its stupifying, and the language on the cards is like reading mental porridge too, how to make a geeky hobby seem dull!
Because people think that GW is the best game company in the world, sure they produce one of the best minis on the market, but at game level, they rulesets sucks for almost the last 15 years
people complain about not enough nerfs to eldar aren’t realizing that eldar shouldn’t be nerfed to the ground. as long as they aren’t as oppressive as they were, they’re still allowed to be a good or really good army. like, someone is gonna fill those top spots, it doesn’t matter if the spot is filled by the same army that used to be oppressive.
Except they still are extremely oppressive (and yes, im an Eldar player)
I agree with the sentiment, but the reality is it was too light a touch, looking at the data of events that used the new points and dataslate their stats are practically unchanged, which is unsurprising given they did not receive any nerfs to their own rules aside from phantasm. The core rules changes to devastating were meant to target them but still nerfed them for everyone else as well. Whilst eldar did see some points bumps, so did almost every other army, even below mid tier factions like marines and guard saw their best units nerfed. Eldar are just going to pivot to the units that didn't see points hikes (which there were plenty of) and a lot of units were just made slightly more appropriately costed and will still be competitively viable.
Also an army that fills the top spot and stops any other from getting there is the definition of oppressive, you're trying to have your cake and it eat too, you can't have eldar just sit at the top and have them not be oppressive to the other factions. In an ideal game the top spot should not depend on the faction being played, but the person playing, all factions should have around an equal win rate, there shouldn't even be a "top spot".
@@captainweekend5276yeah but there’s never been any comp scene in any gw game where no army had the top spot lol
@Dorsidwarf that's not the point though is it? The goal should be to get armies as equal as possible rather than have the attitude of "well there's inevitably going to be a top spot so eldar may as well fill it". Also Arks of Omen 9th edition had some of the healthiest balance 40k has ever had competitively, outside of a few outliers almost every army was viable and the leading factions were reigned in enough that almost any army could win a GT. It may be impossible to get to perfect balance but as we've seen the game is much better when an attempt is made to get there vs just allowing a few factions to sit on top.
The real problem is that they also nerf al other top factions, so Eldar still rules above all.
Inevitably someone's tournament win will come down to arguing a Ripper Swarm goes from OC 0 to OC -1 and scores objectives for one's opponent...
have you been playing shatterpoint?
Votann are in a slighlty better place now
Sooo, did they fix or ruin 10th edition? I'm a new player, just started painting and reading the rules, and if it's somehow ruined I'd like to know :P
Realistically, you'll get mixed responses but mainly negative. I've been in the hobby for a few years, and every change (new rules/balance passes) a bunch of people get up in arms.
Hell, space marine players got upset because they got newer, better-looking models.
The only true test is to play some games and get a feel for it.
I really feel sorry for any new player trying to make sense of the mess the game is today to "get" why people are into 40K, its an awful experiance compared to how it was, get yourself a copy of 4th edition and see what a fast paced fun action game 40K USED to be...
@@kai_the_shark9044 SMs players are upset because GW remove almost all the older catalog of minis after they said that they aren't gonna remove the older catalog of minis, hell the promove the use of the new HH plastic dreads and vehicles for 40k some months ago, and after pretty good sell, they send all that units to Legends. Dirty move
Nothing is ruined or saved. It only took two months for them to turn the balance for the different armies upside down. Rest assured it will happen again at some point. If you like assembling and painting minis, and you like the idea of playing one or more specific armies just for thematic and flavor reasons, go ahead. But don't hedge your bets based on the latest meta - it will change before you know it (and this doesn't even account for regularly scheduled upheavals thanks to Codex drops or other rule updates).
Tyranids have gotten more nerfs than Eldar have. Getting strong "Oh no! A xenos faction is powerful! Quickly! Nerf tyranids." Vibe
I see that most of the units with older minis are beaten to crap: warriors, raveners, tyrant guard are almost useless vs all other units
Black templars always were the steongest space marines. And this change showed it.
He really said go to ground is a bad strat? 😂
Black Templars got virtually a overall army pts drop. That was MASSIVE!!
The fact that they got it so wrong from the start has really put me off. I've played a few games but I've stopped caring. I'm just painting stuff now
I'd say that GW doesn't actually understand the complexities of the game enough in order to fix it. Why would the same folks who messed up 9th edition do anything but mess up 10th?
9th edition was really really good for the last 4-5 months of the game. I loved it. 10th I really like the core concepts a lot, but man I miss my psychic phase and I feel like they just wrote different games depending on the army.
@@timunderbakke8756you can still play 9th edition
It's a different team, you can notice that because some thing fixed in 9th Ed, are again broken in 10th Ed, also several factions lost their flavors, so I think that the new team probably knows nothing about the game, maybe GW use some third party designer team to decrease costs of a internal R&D team
@@timunderbakke8756sounds like you'd be happier playing 3rd edition. It was the best one.
Its a fun time for us Sister player. "Hey, we see your having problems with anti armor, so were gonna drop your points, only to match everyone else's drops, of course. we also didn't buff any of your anti armor units and nerf your allies that could fix your problem. But don't worry because the Paragon's are much cheaper!!!!!!!! That alright? Ok, cool, see you again in 3 months!"
mortal wounds in big guns had a lot of sense because things like Tau railgun dont have its area shoot, i dont like the new devastating wounds. And votann hab should improve bs like taus one because heavy weapons or the iron master cant use their racial hab
A railgun shouldnt be able to kill a group in one hig uts a damn railgun they dont even cause exsplosions
yes it does, if a hypersonic object impacts near you creates a massive explosion from the shokwave@@demonic_myst4503
Listening to this makes me relatively glad i stopped playing some 2 or 3 editions ago. Way too many extra rules piled on top of rules ON TOP of rules. I miss the days i could just pick up my suitcase, slap a list together with what i wanted to play in 10min and throw dice 20min later. Not it feels or sounds like a game of RISK where you have to plan the entire game before you even took your troops out of the box.
ROTFL....yeah the hallmark of a good system is constant changes, re-writes, and additions to the rule set THEY JUST RELEASED ! ROTFL. It's like GW is trying to sell us all on One Page Rules. Enjoy edition 10.5.
Admech lost under 100 points for a 2k list... The Vanguard and Rangers are now just slightly more tanky and not even cheap trash units....
The problem is that all this stealth edition change did was prove that The Studio is completely out of touch from the start. But it also doesn't matter what changes they make. This edition has already been ruined by the toxic voices in the very load minority tournament community.
Tournament scene is huge, yeah it's a minority compared to all other players, but was GW in first place that copy the environment of the Competitive scene because they were very popular, and meta dictates the sells of models, so in the end most players around the world buy minis because they are good in play, than the players that but minis because they looks cool. That's the way it is.
They sure as hell ruined space marines for thousands, if not, millions, of players
The constant, chaotic changes to 40k's editions is why I switched over to one page rules and haven't looked back. Plus edition treadmills are the worst.
I tried OPR, and it's ~fine~, and hard to knock it when its free. Heresy has been on a streak of bangers though. If Heresy 2.0 lasts as long as 1.0 did, it might be the best version of warhammer in heindsight.
The best thing for gw to do, to improve 40k, is get rid of strategems.
They make the game more complicated and bloated with rules.
Would be quicker and easier games without them.
Or atleast only have the most important ones (overwatch and reroll)
I feel the worst thing about strategems, beyond bolting on a magic the gathering card game where none was needed (but cardboard is even more profitable to sell that minis I suppose?...), is they squeeze all the character out of the armies, especially certain ones. Orks, Tyranids, Khorne Beserkers, none of these armies were ever based around standing around on a point doing nothing dinging up imaginary numbers "to win" and seeing armies played this way, it removes a vital veneer of credibility the game used to have, its no longer a tabletop WAR game defined by what the minitatures are and what they do, but an abstract reconstruction of a computer game. Indeed, may as well have a little man with mechadendrites walk up and build a structure on the objectives, its that much of a rip of of Dawn of War blended with DOTA. But stealing the clothes of a competitive game does not a competitive game make, especially when games workshops idea of balancing is really just release it and be damned and just react to players whining about what's screwed up the most... the recent balance "fix" is either not going to shift eldar off the top spot at all, or if it does, be because other armies have been made in to the "monster" faction instead, possibly Tau with their 20% ish across the board points drop. This isnt balance fixing, its pissing in the wind hoping it at least distracts players onto something else than how screwed up Eldar were...
Get rid of command points and rerolls as well. The game became full of ‘gotcha’ moments which ruins the fun
@@johnwhite9461 I really don't think capturing objectives or stratagems have anything to do with imitating computer games, I've never played an RTS with stratagems, and objectives that give you victory points for holding them were if anything were taken by computer games from tabletop wargames.
@@Brian-rt5bb Star Craft, Command and Conquor, DAWN OF WAR, maybe you never played the "take and hold" option? Modern 40K is stuffed with computer game like modifiers, the difference is its being dumped on the players to do the bookkeeping instead of getting on rolling dice
I don't really think the game should be balanced. I mean you have the Eldar, the most technologically advanced race in the game vs the Orks, probably the least technologically advanced race. Shouldn't there be some advantage to the Eldar?
Yeah but at the same time, Eldars are very cheap in price points, in a realistic world, for any Eldar Wraith knight you should can get at least 1 or 2k boys on the battlefield
By that logic, every horde army should have double the points on the field, bolt weapons should automatically remove any non-power armoured units, Orks should be allowed to build literally anything, Custodes are an auto-win, taking a Primarch is an auto win, and way, way more I could list on “advantages”….
We are the cult! Being buff is for loosers, we play the long game. Fear the never ending horde!
P.S. we are tier 3 lvl army. Lore wise we can't be a regular winning team, leave that to the calendar boys.
Started building Knights at the end of 9th played my first game when 10th launched. Been nerfed ever since. Real turn off to have your first army obliterated rules wise. Was winning 50% before now I’ve lost 4 in a row.
Tldr; Eldar still top dog. Should’ve bought them years ago.
Eldar got nerfs. They relied HEAVILY on rules that have been significantly changed. The nerfs to the core rules are nerfs to eldar
10th Ed is in a out of control situation since day 1, even with constant nerf and FAQs (this is the fourth one in two months) the game is very unbalanced
Friends don't let friends do Warhammer...
Initial data after the changes shows that Eldar havent changed at all, but all the tier-2 armies like Custodes, Knights and GSC got nerfed way too hard and are now all below 45% winrates. Eldar have remained at 65% and literally don't care about their nerfs.
GW utterly failed. They didnt nerf Eldar anywhere near enough, didnt help some other armies (Drukhari, Sisters, Admech) near enough, and they massively over-nerfed several armies that didnt need it.
Custards got nerf'd 4 ways for an army that was easy to outplay if you knew board control
Yall complaining about this and im getting like twenty armies because i want twenty factions on my shelfs
Most of us can’t afford that many, never mind the space to display it all.
Post your fluff
@@timunderbakke8756 I'm getting 1k armies or just value box stuff, a new army every year and only 300 dollars per army max
@@malakimphoros2164 I do on Reddit and Instagram occasionally, but this is what I want to do I only have BTS and nids RN (leviathan box+crusader)
@@deathdynasty1628nah dude, you need 2k points each! I can help! Buy my massive army of sisters! It's damn near entirely on sprue (I only built two cherubs).
Or perhaps you'd be interested in a little over 2k points of guard? There's a Baneblade in there! They're assembled and only the Ogryn and Kasrkin are painted.
Maybe Orks are your thing? I've got 3500 points of all new (but not beast snagga) boys. All the buggies, old and new Deffkoptaz, I'll throw the original Red Gobbo in there too. All in subassemblies ready for paint.
Maybe you like Chaos? I've got a pile of chrome painted chaos with some FW alpha legion bits. Lots of Havocs and ... Tons of cultists. Like 120 cultists... And I made two squads of chosen using Primaris assault marines. The Lord I made is a converted Abaddon. He's like a $300 conversion lol.
Palanites ??? I got like 50 Enforcers and 24 Subjugators!
Please buy my crap!
I don't want it anymore!
GW don't fix or ruin the game, they do what they've always done: selling great minis, developing rich lore, and writing some ruleset to have fun by simulating incredible battles in the 41st millennium.
Then people decided that they needed competitive games to crush their opponents with lore-inaccurate lists and barely painted minis.
So I know it's an unpopular opinion and I'm going to get yelled at, but I would say that people ruined 40k, not GW.
Absolutely spot on. Thank you for saying it so well.
Only partially true. GW could do a better job, and it really really hurts when your T Sons army you have been with for years got decent, and then it got burned to the ground harder than Eldar did. I didn’t ruin it, I didn’t even take an “optimized” army because I didn’t understand how they were doing it and was bringing some anti tank vehicle support.
Yes, competitive players found the nasty exploits for most armies. But GW basically wrote two or three different games (compare pre dataslate Votann or death guard … to Eldar)
From what you’re saying, 40k has been broken from the very start. I wouldn’t agree that this has broken anything, but it has been like that since 2nd ed at least. Nothing has been broken by this generation of players. And if they did, they are playing GW’s rules. I’m not suggesting GW broke anything either - this is just rage bait - if it was remotely true the game would have died decades ago.
And regarding painted minis - people want to play with their minis asap. That’s fine. Some even will have stand-ins for other minis. That is ok too. Only kids and adults without kids will really be able to spend all the time they want on painting (or anything!).
It shouldn’t be a game that tries to prevent dads (and mums) from playing - that skews the adult demographic away from mature individuals.
If I came across someone who stated a similar annoyance, I’d pack up and go. They are the opposite of enjoyment in a game that is supposed to be fun and social.
In a way though, it is the players who will do damage to any game. Players who gatekeep and tell other players they are doing it wrong will push players out and keep new players from entering.
Let people have fun - it doesn’t hurt you one bit.
@@monkfiche9384yup, I really enjoy playing my painted models and I’ll basically never play unpainted models, but I’m not going to be mean to the person across the table who hasn’t painted or who maybe just sprayed the primary color on them
I can't tell you the amount of unpainted, hell, barely built armies I've seen on tables, i've even seen people bring empty bases to tables to play the most broken unit. It's a rarity to find completely painted armies at my store and whenever I do bring my army to the table I have rules lawyers telling me how to play my army more effectively by buying the newest and coolest primaris unit to delete my opponent on turn 1
10th had the worst launch by now and it's way long to be fixed (it has to be from the ground)
It's had a rough launch for sure but I'm not convinced the balance issues run so deep as to require a new edition. This new dataslate is a big push in the right direction imo
this game gets patch notes wtf?
Oooh ya. Never buy paper rules