Why is it so hard to convince Americans that these types of communities should be allowed to exist? I'm not saying everybody should live this way, but allow people the option to live this way.
@@Basta11 And the only way to make them not out of code would be a lengthy organization process that people would have to stay with and keep up on...which is difficult without a clear vision already packaged up
I'm guessing you mean building these types of communities over suburbs, I think it's because people enjoy their privacy and quiet. Can't imagine sharing this tiny space and having annoying brat kids screaming on the top of their lungs playing soccer right outside my window. Just a guess
“Look how little space that cyclists and pedestrians have to share.” Me, an American: “Man, I would kill for that much space. At least there is a sidewalk with enough room to cycle on.”
In der Spitze 23,32 Euro / m2 kalkulatorische Warmmiete. Die Miete (Nutzungsgebühr) kostet im Durchschnitt etwa 11,20 Euro (Nettokalt), die Spanne reicht von 8,62 bis 13,05 Euro. Dazu kommen 920 Euro unverzinsliche Einlage pro Quadratmeter Wohnfläche. Kapitalisiert man diese Einlage mit 5-10 % (das ist die durchshnittliche Wertentwicklung einer selbstgenutzten Eigentumswohung in Berlin in den letzten Jahren), würde die kalkulatorische Miete jeweils um 3,83 bis 7,67 Euro pro Quadratmeter steigen, in der Spitze wären das 20,72 Euro. Dazu kommen Nebenkosten von etwa 2,50 Euro. Macht in der Spitze 23,32 Euro / m2 kalkulatorische Warmmiete für Mieter mit 1A-Spitzenlagen in der Möckernkiez Genossenschaft. Das ist mir das Wohnen hier direkt am Park aber wert.
The bicyle path even have a rail to separate it from the car lane. Meanwhile in my town in the US I would be lucky if there's a painted bike lane with no protection
Really enjoyed this video! Never knew that Berlin is considered a car-centric city though--as an American, Berlin has always been my idea of a perfect city in regards to transit options!
@Daniel Gallagher Berlin and German cities in general are car-centric compared to some other countries like the Netherlands, I wish our cities were more like our neighbours'
UK, Poland, Germany etc. are some of the most auto centric countries in Europe. Netherlands is quite literally the 1 country on Planet Earth that is gold standard & it's a shame -- at least there's Paris however that's a city not a country.
There's the US and then, there's the world. Given its GDP p.c., the US is so far behind in pretty much everything, just to fund the global tyranny of its billionaire class.
Affordable housing is also relative, but on the other hand, of course, new housing cannot only be created for the poor (financed by the state) and the rich. So yes, projects like this are a good thing. Especially if communication in the neighborhood works.
Where this settlement now stands was previously a dilapidated commercial area with little public, what was there on this section with the narrow pedestrian and cycle path were almost cyclists passing through. Normally, even in other sections of this street, the footpaths are wider.
I am still wondering where the people who do own a car park it. Some commercial garage elsewhere? Is there an underground parking? (I saw the ground floor of the courtyard is a bit higher than the street) Do they just park on the public parking spaces in the area? I love the cooperative financial structure. I know one familiy in Aachen which lives in a similar (thought much much smaller) community, and the athmosphere is wonderfull whenever I visit.
Wow this is such an informative video about such an interesting place thank you so much for making it, its like the comprehensive and slightly exhaustive videos of eco gecko and the stellar presentation of not just bikes combined. Keep it up.
as an american, i live in the bay area so our cities here do have sidewalks and walkable areas unlike most american cities, but even then they are still car-centric, so you still have to be able to drive to be considered a functioning member of society. yes there are pedestrians and people playing on the street here but they aren't very common and you'll mostly see kids and teenagers doing that. i wish we could *at least* have a completely car-free neighborhood like berlin does. i'd love to hang out with more teens my age more often. the only good place to do that in my city is the downtown part so you'll see a lot of people walking and hanging out at night which is nice, but there isn't enough space for tons of people to set up gatherings and be able to socialize with other folk. i consider myself lucky for that, though i wish the whole city were more walkable. oh well
Forgive me for making such connections, but this type of co-op situation feels vaguely similar to HOAs in the US. The biggest difference, of course, being that everyone in an HOA owns their own private property and only the public spaces are shared. Do co-op comminities set rules on the look and feel of each house, and how do they deal with the types of conflicts that can occur between management and the people living there?
This is nice. I have a single family home and across the street there are some very loud neighbors that are just awful. When I see living units like this I wonder if you can hear everything that the neighbors are doing? Are they asked to not be loud or do they have loud parties? If they did this in Miami, I am afraid it would be awful. I am sure that many people would sneak in cars and there would be loud music and maybe drugs everywhere.
yeah but it could be much better aswell. imagine the road had 2 lanes. There would be space for street cars or just plants between the road and the sidewalk. this would make the street more calm and more beautiful
Hi Craig, sehr schöner Beitrag! Ich habe versucht, Dich (wegen einer anderen Sache) per E-Mail und per Facebook zu erreichen, aber die Mails an PP kamen als unzustellbar zurück und FB benutzt Du ja (wie ich auch) kaum noch. Kann ich Dich irgendwie erreichen?
The definition of "car-centric" is not whether you have a driver's license, but whether the city is designed to accomodate cars at the expense of others. 51% of Berlners don't own a car, but the city isn't built for them.
@@cities4people That‘s an exaggeration. Berlin is very much human-scaled and not built for cars nearly to the extent that “car centric” suggests. I’ve lived there almost all my life and there are few areas (mostly industrial zones) that I’ve come across where I felt I didn’t belong as a pedestrian. Public transport is excellent and the whole city was easily accessible to me as a teenager, before I could have even gotten my driver’s license, had I wanted one.
@@bahnspotterEU I would disagree that Berlin is "human-scale", though that aspect is actually older than cars. The blocks are very large; it takes a long time to walk a block in most areas. The city was designed (again, before cars) to be majestic, not human-scale. The center of Potsdam is human-scale. Berlin is now completely overrun with cars parking everywhere, including illegally; public transport is ok but far too expensive (nearly 1,000 euros annually for an ABC ticket), and the mayor thinks people need cars, so little will change any time soon. Thanks for the comment, though!
Nice, though one thing a lot of people don't realise is that Car infrastructure doesn't have to be run down and ugly like at the start of the video, large, high-capacity roads with wide and good-quality walking and cycling paths are a thing. Demonising one form of transport over another isn't the solution - we need a balance of options: walking, cycling, driving and public transport, making people spread out across options rather than forcing them to use one or the other
In a metropole like Berlin you do not need cars, when the infrastructure is good enough. Cars are loud, poluting and dangerous. Kind regards, a Berliner
@@c.s.s.1680 in cities public transport should be prioritised, but it isn’t removed entirely. Look at Amsterdam, and see how wide the surrounding motorways are to compensate
@@thienphucn1 Yes indeed, my friend. Every 10 minutes trains connects the 4 major Dutch cities of Amsterdam, the Hague, Rotterdam and Utrecht. Tokyo is the same. Train run every 10 minutes. The mayor of Bogota, Colombia said: "A country is developed when the rich take public transport. Instead of everybody owning a car".
Why is it so hard to convince Americans that these types of communities should be allowed to exist? I'm not saying everybody should live this way, but allow people the option to live this way.
If I had any guess the time and organization to keep going with the formation of a co-op is beyond a lot of people.
@@FreyaEinde thats not the problem. The problem is that these types of development are largely illegal to build in most of the US.
@@Basta11 And the only way to make them not out of code would be a lengthy organization process that people would have to stay with and keep up on...which is difficult without a clear vision already packaged up
@@FreyaEinde well yeah. Slowly happening now with Strong Towns and Not Just Bikes. But yeah, it gets lost with all other issues.
I'm guessing you mean building these types of communities over suburbs, I think it's because people enjoy their privacy and quiet. Can't imagine sharing this tiny space and having annoying brat kids screaming on the top of their lungs playing soccer right outside my window. Just a guess
“Look how little space that cyclists and pedestrians have to share.”
Me, an American: “Man, I would kill for that much space. At least there is a sidewalk with enough room to cycle on.”
I thought the same thing. I kept looking at the video wondering if I was just not seeing it right.
At least there is a sidewalk.
In der Spitze 23,32 Euro / m2 kalkulatorische Warmmiete.
Die Miete (Nutzungsgebühr) kostet im Durchschnitt etwa 11,20 Euro (Nettokalt), die Spanne reicht von 8,62 bis 13,05 Euro. Dazu kommen 920 Euro unverzinsliche Einlage pro Quadratmeter Wohnfläche.
Kapitalisiert man diese Einlage mit 5-10 % (das ist die durchshnittliche Wertentwicklung einer
selbstgenutzten Eigentumswohung in Berlin in den letzten Jahren), würde die kalkulatorische Miete jeweils um 3,83 bis 7,67 Euro pro Quadratmeter steigen, in der Spitze wären das 20,72 Euro. Dazu kommen Nebenkosten von etwa 2,50 Euro.
Macht in der Spitze 23,32 Euro / m2 kalkulatorische Warmmiete für Mieter mit 1A-Spitzenlagen in der Möckernkiez Genossenschaft.
Das ist mir das Wohnen hier direkt am Park aber wert.
The bicyle path even have a rail to separate it from the car lane. Meanwhile in my town in the US I would be lucky if there's a painted bike lane with no protection
These people probably have the best quality of life in the whole city. Cars are a scourge.
The Netherlands needs this, seriously!..
Not the bikes, but the car free neighborhood designs.
This is amazing!.
WG-terrein, Funenpark, Justus van Effenkwartier.. we have plenty of examples already...
Really enjoyed this video! Never knew that Berlin is considered a car-centric city though--as an American, Berlin has always been my idea of a perfect city in regards to transit options!
@Daniel Gallagher Berlin and German cities in general are car-centric compared to some other countries like the Netherlands, I wish our cities were more like our neighbours'
UK, Poland, Germany etc. are some of the most auto centric countries in Europe. Netherlands is quite literally the 1 country on Planet Earth that is gold standard & it's a shame -- at least there's Paris however that's a city not a country.
There's the US and then, there's the world. Given its GDP p.c., the US is so far behind in pretty much everything, just to fund the global tyranny of its billionaire class.
This place is amazing. How are so many places so awful when they could be this good? What went so horribly wrong almost everywhere else?
This is such a cool story! I've never seen Berlin look this nice and it's incredible to see what people can do when they work together like this.
Affordable housing is also relative, but on the other hand, of course, new housing cannot only be created for the poor (financed by the state) and the rich. So yes, projects like this are a good thing. Especially if communication in the neighborhood works.
That looks like a great place to live.
Where this settlement now stands was previously a dilapidated commercial area with little public, what was there on this section with the narrow pedestrian and cycle path were almost cyclists passing through. Normally, even in other sections of this street, the footpaths are wider.
Looooooove it! Thanks
Great! I really like it, I remember when this was all being planned- so cool how it turned out to be.
I am still wondering where the people who do own a car park it. Some commercial garage elsewhere? Is there an underground parking? (I saw the ground floor of the courtyard is a bit higher than the street) Do they just park on the public parking spaces in the area?
I love the cooperative financial structure. I know one familiy in Aachen which lives in a similar (thought much much smaller) community, and the athmosphere is wonderfull whenever I visit.
Eli, ich grüße dich und deine Kiez-Nachbar:innen -- freue mich auf meinen nächsten Berlin-Besuch!
I'm glad I found your channel and this video. It was very insightful!
I loved your channel, remembers me of not just bikes, city nerd and City beautiful. I hope it grows a lot
That’s awesome, would be great to get this in the USA. Wonder if they were inspired by Vauban
They're planning to build one in Tempe, Arizona.
Wow this is such an informative video about such an interesting place thank you so much for making it, its like the comprehensive and slightly exhaustive videos of eco gecko and the stellar presentation of not just bikes combined. Keep it up.
When will we have carfree towns in the Philadelhia, DC metro areas in Philly we
dont even have car free blocks yet.....when
is my question???
I want to live in a cooperative.
as an american, i live in the bay area so our cities here do have sidewalks and walkable areas unlike most american cities, but even then they are still car-centric, so you still have to be able to drive to be considered a functioning member of society. yes there are pedestrians and people playing on the street here but they aren't very common and you'll mostly see kids and teenagers doing that. i wish we could *at least* have a completely car-free neighborhood like berlin does. i'd love to hang out with more teens my age more often. the only good place to do that in my city is the downtown part so you'll see a lot of people walking and hanging out at night which is nice, but there isn't enough space for tons of people to set up gatherings and be able to socialize with other folk. i consider myself lucky for that, though i wish the whole city were more walkable. oh well
Cool~
Forgive me for making such connections, but this type of co-op situation feels vaguely similar to HOAs in the US. The biggest difference, of course, being that everyone in an HOA owns their own private property and only the public spaces are shared. Do co-op comminities set rules on the look and feel of each house, and how do they deal with the types of conflicts that can occur between management and the people living there?
Bro I just was at this place when they filmed
Wow nice! Where does anyone have the rest of the story of that project?
the amount of basedness in this neighborhood is insane
crying in american after finding out berlin is considered car centric
I wish they’d keep it no more than 3 stories high designed for mix use
Six stories is also fine, like the one shown in the video.
This is nice. I have a single family home and across the street there are some very loud neighbors that are just awful. When I see living units like this I wonder if you can hear everything that the neighbors are doing? Are they asked to not be loud or do they have loud parties? If they did this in Miami, I am afraid it would be awful. I am sure that many people would sneak in cars and there would be loud music and maybe drugs everywhere.
So it’s pretty much an apartment complex without cars
Cool
Me who live in Texas seeing Berlin being called "car centric".
bUt cOmMUnIsM
That road is only 4 lanes and has. wide sidewalks, it's not that bad. It could be 5 lanes and have no sidewalks.
yeah but it could be much better aswell. imagine the road had 2 lanes. There would be space for street cars or just plants between the road and the sidewalk. this would make the street more calm and more beautiful
Hi Craig, sehr schöner Beitrag! Ich habe versucht, Dich (wegen einer anderen Sache) per E-Mail und per Facebook zu erreichen, aber die Mails an PP kamen als unzustellbar zurück und FB benutzt Du ja (wie ich auch) kaum noch. Kann ich Dich irgendwie erreichen?
@@cities4people danke, kannst löschen
berlin aint that car-centric, a lot of times the public transport is equally fast or faster than taking the car.
cool Klimaliste Berlin Election Posters
car-centric berlin? i dont even have a drivers license...
The definition of "car-centric" is not whether you have a driver's license, but whether the city is designed to accomodate cars at the expense of others. 51% of Berlners don't own a car, but the city isn't built for them.
@@cities4people That‘s an exaggeration. Berlin is very much human-scaled and not built for cars nearly to the extent that “car centric” suggests. I’ve lived there almost all my life and there are few areas (mostly industrial zones) that I’ve come across where I felt I didn’t belong as a pedestrian. Public transport is excellent and the whole city was easily accessible to me as a teenager, before I could have even gotten my driver’s license, had I wanted one.
@@bahnspotterEU I would disagree that Berlin is "human-scale", though that aspect is actually older than cars. The blocks are very large; it takes a long time to walk a block in most areas. The city was designed (again, before cars) to be majestic, not human-scale. The center of Potsdam is human-scale.
Berlin is now completely overrun with cars parking everywhere, including illegally; public transport is ok but far too expensive (nearly 1,000 euros annually for an ABC ticket), and the mayor thinks people need cars, so little will change any time soon. Thanks for the comment, though!
Street-facing shops aren't a "strip mall" lol.
Germans are so intense.
Now do winter.
Nice idea, but sadly bland and ugly architecture.
Nice, though one thing a lot of people don't realise is that Car infrastructure doesn't have to be run down and ugly like at the start of the video, large, high-capacity roads with wide and good-quality walking and cycling paths are a thing. Demonising one form of transport over another isn't the solution - we need a balance of options: walking, cycling, driving and public transport, making people spread out across options rather than forcing them to use one or the other
In a metropole like Berlin you do not need cars, when the infrastructure is good enough. Cars are loud, poluting and dangerous. Kind regards, a Berliner
@@c.s.s.1680 in cities public transport should be prioritised, but it isn’t removed entirely. Look at Amsterdam, and see how wide the surrounding motorways are to compensate
Without cars you will be timetable dependant and restricted to public transport's departure and arrival locations
Berlin has an excellent, frequent public transport network. 67 % of the residents are carfree. What a huge contrast with the US.
Or we could increase transit frequency to a point where they come so often you wouldn't need to look at the schedule
@@thienphucn1 Yes indeed, my friend. Every 10 minutes trains connects the 4 major Dutch cities of Amsterdam, the Hague, Rotterdam and Utrecht.
Tokyo is the same. Train run every 10 minutes.
The mayor of Bogota, Colombia said: "A country is developed when the rich take public transport. Instead of everybody owning a car".
You're already restricted to where roads go, it's just that we've built so many of them that nobody thinks about it
Bikes can still give a level of personal freedom, even more than cars.
the new puritans,!
How? They objectively live a better life for cheaper than car owners. I'm a car owner myself, btw.