I liked MASSIVE events - naval battles. Pirating was kind of meh, because I was not top dog. So needed to have good group to do trade run. I even liked crafting mechanics, it was pretty awesome. Oh ofcourse you were able to build your house and grow all kind of stuff.. Damn, it was badass game :D
Archeage was a game that game out and it was not ahead of its time, but it was the right game at the right place at the right time. Then Trion, Gamigo, and Kakao games all took turns bleeding it dry.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork yup, and thank you for review! I'm checking news about AA2 time-to-time and was hoping to play it this year. Sadly seems that it is not going to happen. Also they kind of mess it all up. There was EVERYTHING. Something for farmers, PVE, massive PVP events, crafting. Sandbox economy. Quests, minigames, storylines.. Then all kind of crap started to happen. I kind of miss it all, but it is what it is.
I am a player from the Southeast Asia server, but unfortunately, the Southeast Asia server will shut down at the end of November 2024. However, I still cherish my memories of ArcheAge. The official direction for ArcheAge 2, which focuses more on improving life skills, is something I really like. But I don't think large-scale PvP should be removed, as this would eliminate the unique features of naval and aerial battles. Although spending money in this game means having more power, I believe large-scale PvP tests the leadership skills of heroes, minimizing the importance of individual combat strength. For example, my friends and I, wearing only ancient gear, were able to cooperate and defeat many players with crafted gear. Additionally, to maintain player engagement, there needs to be opposing forces to keep us motivated to continue playing, which in turn prolongs the game's lifespan. *This translation was done using GPT, apologies for any errors. I am not a native English speaker but am very interested in AA2 as a player.
My favorite memories are from very very early times, when I was in a mercenary guild that had 3 schooners and 3 lutesong junk and about 35 people. We would hire ourselves out to rich merchants who would fill our schooners with their resources and we would get them across the ocean to sell it. There would be spies who tipped off the other faction when we were about to go and would nearly guarantee an attack as we crossed the ocean. Naval PVP was the most intense combat! We would defend our cargo as if it were actually OURS, and the battles I remember were of course, the major victories. The guild would get paid in gold and then divvy out to everyone who had taken part. My first "paycheck" was 2 gold and I think I was about level 25 or 30 and I felt so rich lol. Good times!
To answer your question it makes me "Just as or a little more likely" to play on launch, simply because I like many aspects of the game and the heavy grouping together of power players to be "an unstoppable onslught" vs the weaker or none heavy cash users which I might add was one of the main reasons the player base died again and again, ultimately destroying the game, yes this large scale heavy grouping of elites should be avoided at all costs, and instead smaller scale groups and guilds of power players vs eachother will create more competition with less mess and destruction of player base.
As a mostly PvE player i do appreciate more PvE focus, however i always had fun in sieges for instance in AA so i would hate to lose it. I will still at least try to play it and see what is there and if its any good, as with any other game im interested in but remains to be seen if i would stick with it for a while. Even though AA was PTW and all the problems it had with constant fresh restarts or merges that bled the player base dry, i still had lots of fun with it, i played it exclusively for about 2-3 years after all
Favorite memories of Archeage: trade runs to freedich isle. Discovering library for the first time in diamond shores. Housing and farming was suprisingly fun. got an epic bow from a regrade scroll. Whole server joined forces to kill leviathan. Black dragon was cool.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork every zone having peace/war times though, that pretty much covers it in my opinion.... I also think large scale pvp was the most fun part of the game
Gratz man, your video got watched on stream by Asmondgold! Good publicity for your channel! (Best part of Archeage for me was the armadas to freedich for pack turn ins. Also roaming group pvp was super fun! )
I feel like this type of pivot would cater more to a player like me where I have done the large scale PVP and large guild raiding and have aged out to the point where life gets in the way to invest enough time for that type of gameplay. Nowadays I play MMOs as a single player experience and don't even partake in endgame dungeons since I'm not able to invest enough time into farming for mats or putting time aside for specific event times in a serious way. That being said I also believe this type of pivot and catering to people like me is what's killing MMO's in the first place, unfortunately corpo executives just care about casting as big of a net as possible to get those big initial purchase numbers so they can show investors upticks on charts. But all in all this change makes me more excited for the game as I will play a bunch of it on release and then put it down after I've had my fun for a couple hundred hours while those executives start to wonder why the numbers take a plummet 2 months after release of a live service game.
I think we are in a death roll for the quality of games since right now its about what makes the most money, but if we went back to making better games those would make money.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Well, let them put a little P2W, no problem, but it is important that it does not affect players who cannot pay a lot so that the game does not die.
0:56 I have a couple favorite memories from ArcheAge. I joined the beta and headstart when ArcheAge was released to the west via Trion in 2014. I jumped between guilds, but I did make a few cool online friends. When the first whales started leaving the game (which caused difficulty in earning in-game currency to buy real-life subscription months), I decided to leave the game. ArcheAge was re-released (I think?) around 2020, and I played for a few months. It was very hardcore because the players that even wanted to play ... were veterans with money ... and they were pushing events and min-maxing their characters. I didn't want to keep-up, so I left. I really loved the sea battles ... where all of you are on a ship, and we have a captain, and someone calls orders, and we all contribute by filling our roles ... on cannons, off cannons, sails, spells, crowd control, etc ... just filling roles and acting as a team.
Favorite memmory of archeage? Are you mad lad? This very game has so many memmories it all feels like yesterday and there is yet to be another MMO that can match up to it. This coming from a long time formerly hardcore wow player as well. But to list top 5 that comes to my mind first: 1: Getting my very own Tradeship; Hauling and doing a high risk high reward delivery to the enemie continent, having tons of randoms wanting to join in for the haul. 2: Being the first to have the off-shore Bungalo and earning big cash from bigger guilds wanting to use my property to safely store their packages at my property. 3: Estabelishing a literall trade-union with the biggest guilds, cross faction after learning the language of the other faction. 4: Somehow become centerpoint in a massive naval fight. 5: The hilarious sailing glitches (spinning and ship) and launching friends across the sea to the other continent. As well as turning you ship into a Submarine and launching yourself into the air One Piece style to escape player-pirates.
Gross. That's all ArcheAge was. Go play a different MMO, if they make this change they actually just need to change the name because it won't be ArcheAge anymore
@@morris_c0de463Well they have to do something otherwise it will fail again, like i said large scale pvp mmo's just seems to all do poorly. And no they don't need to change the name, the world and the lore behind it are all good but the gameplay loop and the very unbalanced pvp would be a no go.
Large scale PVP games do fail because they tend to go poorly, because they aren't designed very well. If you have 500 vs 500 then the fight is going to boil down to this: Can my AOE damage dealers out pace their healers AOE healing and Can my AOE healers sustain their AOE damage dealers. Instead of putting 500 vs 500 in one place, I'd like to see a game that has 10 objects on a map. So now instead of 500 vs 500, now you have 10 squads of 50 vs 10 squads of 50, and maybe a strategic leader gives 1 or 2 so they can wipe up at the other 8. Eve Online blob wars were boring, but being 2-5 systems away having a small scale skirmish at a gate trying to stop reinforcements, that's where the real fun was.
PvP for me was fun when the game first started and everyone’s gear was pretty much the same but when they started putting higher levels and than gearing everything towards guild gameplay it really lost a lot of flare. Was in an incredible guild with really fun people but they all wanted to join bigger guilds for end game content at the time but they all got permanent banned. After that I had a lot of fun as a solo player but couldn’t really do much of anything. Than AA became a guild heavy game which made it impossible to do anything. Dungeons had to be qued and you couldn’t run them alone or with a small party which I kept getting kicked when I just wanted to solo run dungeons. It was a real mess in the end. Would really like to try AA2 if it solo friendly and another company because don’t forget kakao stole money from their player base when they changed everyone’s credit to the rosen currency.
So, I honestly believe what killed AA so fast in NA/EU was that we never started on the 0.0 patch and went up to 0.9 and then got 1.0. We ended up starting on 1.0 where Healing Power was a thing. Everyone was able to rush Obsidian Gear which was meant as "the next" gear set. I remember Hasla weapons being the thing and spending every rotation down there getting as many tokens as possible. And yes, Kakao stole people's credits (ua-cam.com/video/SAhjjkdreDg/v-deo.html) which is why I'm so angry that Chrono Odyssey is being published by them.
I don't really like PvP, and I've been playing AA/AAU since 2014. I was quite active, but I never quite got the hang of the big 50vs50 or 100vs100 PvP at random events (CR, GR, random PvP at some bosses, etc.). It's chaotic, lacking organization; about 70% of the raid comprises non-PvP individuals or alts. You're dying within seconds, and you don't even know who killed you... It's a bit of a mess, to be honest. I think PvP in AA should be somehow preserved and tied to instances or organized PvP events (like Lusca, Kraken, Red/Black Dragon, Halcy...), and it should be somewhat excluded from daily activities like CR, GR, AE, Whale, etc. Just for a test, call out in the Nation chat for CR and see how many people join your raid. Then, do the same but add 'reds here, PvP at CR,' and observe how many people join - it will likely be 10-15 people at most compared to a full raid if there is no PvP involved. I don't know, just thinking out loud.
The focus change is what has me interested. I've always thought MMO "PvP" is really silly and not PvP at all it is simply gear vs gear for the most part. Especially eastern games that have p2w mechanics. I'm not saying there is a market for most no-life wins style PvP, but a general audience if they want PvP want something that is competitive with balance not I started 6 months after everyone so I stand no chance just because of gear. Just my 2 cents. Sorry though that probably anyone reading this lost a title that could have suited their niche and I understand why you'd be upset.
I can understand that. As I'm getting older, I no longer find unrestricted PVP to be my favorite thing. Sure, running around fighting for the sake of fighting sounds great, but I'd rather have organized PVP over meaningful objects like Castles, Town, Territory, Caravans, Ships, Treasure, or even Battlegrounds with a score and a clear winner and loser.
Trade pack system was definitely the best feature of archeage but also their crafting system. I have yet to find an mmo that keeps my interest in crafting except maybe eve online. The fact they are catering more towards single player/guild content is a plus for me. I hated having to find a group of players just to do my daily runs. I'm normally a solo player though and not a big fan of large groups. However the large-scale raids were definitely fun and I do not think they should get rid of them.
Eve Online has the best crafting system ever, because its not a crafting system at all its a manufacturing process. I loved it. I think all MMOs should look at that process and then ua-cam.com/video/7OJPNhZIcRY/v-deo.html and figure out how to do things well. Trade Runs - AA has the best "cornerstone" feature in the trade pack system. You can build this system out in 10 different directions. Like Ashes of Creation is doing with Caravans. Hopefully we get some sort of "sieges" for large scale battles.
Large scale pvp and pve in open world is the most enjoyable content in the game with the interaction of factions and guilds, along with trade runs and building houses etc. Sieges were good too but end game no life p2w whales had only access of it for years...
I don't really understand how they intend to go with small scale pvp unless they intend to go the same way BDO did where players who are doing trading or lifeskills really have no benefit to be attacked. Majority of conflict in Archeage was trading, the only way I can see that becoming less so is that trade goods don't drop like in BDO. From what we have seen, in my opinion, Archeage 2 is leaning more towards BDO's combat and less towards Archeage's sandbox. Player choice is one of the major factors of what made Archeage so compelling in the first place, and I really hope they don't lose sight of that. But to answer your question... My favorite memories, and favorite things to do, where dumb shenanigans guild mates and myself got up to. Probably my favorite memory was being alone on my galleon, getting rocketed into the air during a world boss, landing perfectly in between the masts of an enemy guild's ship and just sitting there like "well, them's the breaks". Half my inventory was filled at all times with sheet music so i just pulled out "He's a pirate" before i was killed by the twenty or so people on the ship I landed on.
PVP was good. Building was good. Being able to plant and hide plants different areas and then find other peoples and sell it on the auction house was fun.
I really enjoyed the large-scale PVP and naval battles in AA. The idea of scaling back PVP so drastically makes me sad. I loved the first AA and played from alpha until about a year and a half ago.
Large scale PvP was the only part I wanted from Arche Age 2. I probably won't play it now since it's going to New World route and have more single player and less PvP.
Sad, but true. I don't think any game out there is going to get PVP right. I have lost most hope for a MMORPG to drop that is good before I retire from online gaming.
the issue as always with pvp based games where they make the players the content... is that "pvp" turns quickly into "griefing" and your average dad or mom (crafting) will give up and stop playing in a fairly short order. i can see why, at least for western games, they would go this route. games like this need massive player bases to keep enough money rolling in to support them. your not going to find enough edgelords and pvpers to do that. and even those people quickly lose interest when the potatos or sheep stop playing, because they cant have fun greifing them while they attempt to do trade. I loved archage, loved it. building my first boat or jumping off that first mountain with my glider was amazing. but the community? pfft. without pve content and ways for folks to spend their time that isn't griefing or getting griefed... it will go the same way every archage 1 server did over time. people get bored, people get frustrated, and the servers die.
This highlights what I've said about gamers being dumber than rats. A large rat knows it has to let the smaller rat win about 30% of the time when wrestling, or the smaller rat will just not engage any more and they both suffer from boredom. PvPers should seek out PvPers to fight, people who actually want to fight. That's why objectives are better than open world no restrictions. When I see a guy with a 97% win rate but all he does is grief, I'm not impressed. But when I see a guy with a 52% win rate but all he does is go after the biggest fish, that's a winning record against tough opponents, that's something.
I love Archeage and I'm waiting for Archeage II too, Archeage II should include PVP and PVE, it is the same as Archeage. Archeage is still working in Japan and Korea now. If Archeage II only has PVE, players will be bored with the game, so Archeage II needs to be re-designed.
I started as a free player i was new very low level , got really addicted to money from trade runs. But too tired to take packs from zepplins, teleports to a dungeon in enemy faction , runs across the walls , gaurds try to kill me, scared as fuk that nobody sees me, run miles to find a shop there who rents a cart to transfer packs. Fun times . First naval battle i did insane. If they could revamp and re- release archege 1 with subscription system and non p2w it would still become top. archeage already had things which ashes of creation trying to implement now.
I think the game was great how it was except for the P2W , which they eliminated eventually with quest gear. Problem is it kind of screwed the market completely and destroyed the economy. they should have made it were you still have to craft or buy items from market. all items should be tradeable, even gear upgrades. To bring the world back to life, you travel and Brokers are setup you sell too, and other players can buy from. Remove ALL housing zone restrictions and just block people from building on spawn points, i saw Masssive amounts of open space not used for anything that people could find a spot to build in. Open world build anywhere, take out prefab buildings and build your own like most other building games. Craft all crafting stations. This was one of my favorite games i spent many hours adventuring and exploring, and LOVED the ocean content. I think they could have just rebuilt the original game on UE5 and just made some of these adjustments and been Great. The Sub payment system is great if your not forced to purchase anything other than cosmetics.
I Like the old version where it involves risk. No risk lower reward or high risk with high reward. Just a bit of rework on gears and it should be obtainable on both crafting and pve and the game should be perfect.
jahlon nice too see you back again :),so as a archeage fan and player im not happy too see they remove completly massive fights,factions and other stuff and focus more to PvE.This is only good for AoC they dont have real competitive mmorpg(pvp/sieges),also Chrono Odyssey will be more focused on PvE!
3:32 I will wait for 2026 to read reviews from early access / alpha / beta players. I also feel like there will be more competition because Rockstar will be in the process of releasing GTA Six to one generation of consoles, then the next generation of consoles, then to PCs. There may be other double-A titles or triple-A titles being released, each year. I have an RTX gaming rig, so I can play any of them.
I love pvp but hate faction pvp. I've grown to hate being put on a team at character select. If they change the PVP systems so it's about the crime system, trade packs, and guild competition, i'd be happy. Not sure they are doing that, the move towards single player experience is concerning, but them saying they are moving away from faction pvp isn't a turn-off to me.
So, I think Eve Online does faction pvp the best. (keep in mind this is just the faction PVP not the Alliance PVP) Yes, you are in a faction, but you can also change factions by joining up to one of the other militias. I loved the idea of Archeage Nations that rose up to be 4th Factions. More games need to approach it this way and all games need to learn that 2 factions is bad, 3 is acceptable, but its much better when you have 5 or so factions right at creation.
I had so many good memories with friends on the open world and the pvp mixed with the pve. Was always kind of like scared when you saw another player cause it was like "oh will they kill me running this pack?". If they remove it then like whats the point, just boot up death stranding and take a nap. Along with the naval battles, the sieges, like you cant call your game archeage and then just remove everything that made archeage archeage. Just dont even bother. I still have hope, maybe the devs will get someone on the team that will tell them what was good and what wasnt (labor system and alts was buns), but idk its looking pretty grim...
I think that you can still make a very good open world PVP game, without having non-consensual PVP. I think if you refine Wars so that guilds can fight guilds, alliances can fight alliances, families can fight families, then you can generate a lot of PVP on a smaller scale, but not have to worry about every single person being able to jump you. If you combine that with sieges (castle, town/city, territory wars) that gives you a lot of meaningful PVP. Couple that with Caravans/Trade Runs as well as Naval Content, I think you can give the PvPers a lot of opportunity to kill other players, while at the same time not having a game where there are wolves hunting sheep, and sheep trying to survive.
The private versions of AA are still running strong and that is testament to a winning formula with P2W almost entirely removed. XL please dont fk up this formula.
Kakao is going to end up driving XL Games and itself into the ground. You are absolutely correct, when all the P2W is removed from AA it is a very healthy game. XL and Gamigo had their chance with Unchained, and they blew that.
As a morale rule I don't play on private servers. As much as I understand people wanting to enjoy the game in a way that makes it playable, intellectual property theft is still theft.
I loved the original trade runs, I didnt mind the PVP its when they tried to bottleneck and make it so the pvpers didn't have to work hard for it that irritated me. Let me make my own packs and decide if the amount is worth the risk. I will dahuta up with a treasure chest pack :P
i played archeage unchained, then got pulled into the merge with archeage + archeage unchained. Lots of things they did well, but the one thing I kept spamming and sending long complaints to the GMs was the way they set up the PVP. Trolls and the a-holes in the game using the open public PVP to bully & harass weaker players to the point they quit because these bullies are interfering with their character development. Allowing open PVP locations in places needed for trades and farming valuable goods. I basically told them, why would you allow open PVP knowing ppl will harass others, and that you cannot control every A-hole out there? The developer team will also have no time to get involved with all these dramas from unsolicited PVP, so in the end the players end up experiencing anger & frustration over and over in the game... who in the world would play a game to get angry? Its like they forgot that the whole purpose of games should make users feel happy & enjoyable. Yes you can have competition, but not the point that its out of control which is what archeage turned into with all this Open PVP locations. They should of never design this game to have PVP without BOTH PARTIES' CONSENT (meaning no public PVP in certain locations). Im 100% i wasn't the 1st to quit over out of control bullying & harassments.
The developers have to keep that fragile line of balance between large guild groups and smaller groups/single player content. If they acheive it, that would mean a success! But nowadays, gamers are spoiled as well as developers are greedy. Only time will only show
I agree with this on so many levels. Developers are giving the players what makes the most money today, but they fail to realize that WoW brought in BILLIONS by being the game that gamers player today, next week, next year.
Favorite memory -- when I could wander the open world without worry of being attacked for no good reason. I am not in to PVP. I quit playing Archeage I in 2018 because I could not get away from the PVP gamers in open world explorations and exploitation's by folks whose only reason for playing was to kill other players. This sort of attitude on the part of other players totally burned me out on Archeage I. For me, that focus was toxic and did not allow me to enjoy the huge and wonderful open world explorations at all. I am happy to hear that they decided to remove the pvp focus, and sad to hear that the N. American Servers are going away. I can only hope, at this point in time (april 2024), that my characters will be transferable to Archeage II. This is the only hope I have left in regards to Archeage I. I understand now that it may not happen for at least a couple of years. Still, I will hope, that Khaleo games will manage to transfer all of my characters from Archeage I to Archeage II. The possibility of an Archage II is the only reason that I have downloaded, one more time, the game, even though the N. American Servers are going away.
1:40 are they bloody turning it into black desert? having a tradepack from haranya or nuia and trying to deliver it to freedich for that sweet cash was and still is one of the most intense moments in the game. you could be killed on the ocean and or right before reaching the trader npc. therefore i do surely hope that it wont be bdo 2 with archeage 2 as it's name.
So I have this really bad feelin its going to be BDO 2 with an Archeage skin overlaid and then some weak version of trade runs. I hope its not the case, but that's the vibe I'm getting.
Maybe they have a plan for Archeage 1. I prepare single player offline mode if I can own a copy and play anytime no worry. I don't like 15 dollar a month game it push me to play like a job to compete other player. If they close the server I can't play anymore. I play on AA classic server because it is free no monthly , no p2w and more labor.
That is the down side to investing time into an MMORPG. If it closes, then your character gets packed up with all the other pieces and put back on the shelf.
Honestly I don't mind some more singleplayer content. I think they lost a lot of players before they could get in with a good guild or nation or whatever, because the singleplayer experience was sort of skeletal and felt unrewarding at times. It just depends how far they take it; if the big multiplayer content suffers for these changes, the game is probably doomed to the same fate as Elyon and Bless Unleashed.
I think this is key. *some* Single player content, *some* small group content, *mostly* full party content with *some* large scale content. Revelation Online was good for this. Yes, it was a daily grind clown fiesta, but at the same time, you had solo stuff you could do, then you had your 5 person party stuff to do, then you had your raid and siege stuff to do.
I played unchained, i quit few months before kakao. Honestly i quit because of the factions shit, MMORPG and permanent factions doesnt work, specially if theres a factions transfer and shit, the norm of MMO devs should be my players are assholes and they will abuse anything they can, the abuse on AA, transfer to another faction and try to try farm the server. if a faction die the players left on the faction cant do anything aside quit, instead of clan players system, u just move to another clan/guild etc. aka Lineage2. I am down to play AA2 as long theres a Hiram equal gear system and thats weekly quest, also theres no Factions, Guild system like L2 will work perfectly fine, if the playerbase hold hands and try to free farm the server, its their decision, but having a faction system locking the playerbase its a big issue for me
My favourites in Archeage was delivery and craft packed materials but was to much bully from other factions that had spy on my faction. They had some fake accounts ....placed them to watch crafters that leaving place and attacking them then. So game was not fair mechanics involved in. People tgat coukd afford for more pc's had camp you all day, night well system was broken and not acceptable. So I'm happy we got no faction mire pve base game because we coukd see how before system end and how destructive that was. Black Desert Online it's pve base similar mmo and it's great for 10 years. Some people got exited when talk about trade with packs because they could get attacked by enemy but ...most of them have no idea that 90 % of all trades was controlled by some people and friends of them this game was broken and never player friendly. From one side players and from other greedy developer's.
Final release it is quite possible for 2026 but from 2024 to 2025 there will be eventually Early Starters and Beta Versions out there. No game maker closes a game when there is not anyhting new in the drawer already. PvE focused and I will be in again!! PvP, Ganking and griefing...go away. I will not even look at the game anymore.
I think the viscous, greedy, malicious acts that happened with Archeage 1 just don't go away because you add a 2 on the end of the name. This franchise screwed around with us way too much at this point. Forgiveness and respect needs to be earned. I am keeping my expectations where they should be. Rock bottom!!!!!!!! It's now one of those games I'll check back into 4-6 months after release to see how it's going over...... or screwing over.
Best character - Haranya girl, very nice figure and good animation. I only play this character. The house system, crafting, the game world. I am not interested in pvp at all.
mine was when people ran the charcoals or whatever the packs were during the days of ayanad and obsidian gear being best gear. we would patrol the sea and we would attack the east and KOS west and nab the packs. The KOS west was mostly chinese gold farmers that we would attack and take their packs or extort them and make them pay us a fee for us to leave them alone for that trip. Any money i made from those trips I would put toward wisps and try to reroll for ayanad flame gear to sell on the market. I miss the old game before all the dumb updates after that timeframe. If AA2 is not a fun filled mmo like the last then I wont partake in it.
I loved everything about Archeage except for the PvP design decisions which ultimately ruined the game. It had some of the coolest travel/combat/crafting/magic/etc. but the forced PvP that favored overpowered super guilds was just dumb and was never going to work. It actively undermined everything that made it great and took resources away from what could have been awesome PvE End-game. It's very smart of them to refocus on PvE this time.
None of us from the old game wanted to go cause the pvp was not in it or at least nothing worth mentioning. The ones who loved archeage loved it cause we built community, launched it into its own nation, held the nation, held the map on content. MASS PVP IS OUR MEMORY! i have zero interest now in archeage 2 we all waiting on ashes of creation or something with mass pvp. Jake song has zero clues what his player base want. Each patch in archeage was like a jake song vanity project. Look how many people are playing private classic server now :D
This is true, players want meaningful mass PVP. Sadly, even Ashes of Creation with some of the rules they have put into place will miss the mark. I'm not sure we will ever see another game get the flavor of mass PVP correct.
I don't think its all on Jake but what is on him was the deals he made. Being bought out by Kakao sucked but can't stop a company from buying a market share.
Oh, so much more likely to play. I am a solo player. I detest pvp. I want to craft, trade, explore. i love naval combat & ocean exploration. Archeage has some of the best graphics: not only scenery, but character appearance & streamline interaction with the environment.
I played ArcheAge Unchained last year for maybe 30 hours, but it was boring. This year I will be testing Ashes of Creation, Pax Dei, and Pantheon Rise of the Fallen, and don't see enough appeal in ArcheAge 2 to switch from whichever of those I wind up playing.
The only thing I can say between the 3 games you mentioned and Archeage 2, is that AA2 will be more action-combat orientated than the other 3. With that said, I agree, I think Ashes and Pax Dei (although radically different games) offer more than what it seems AA2 is going to offer.
Archeage was an amazing game but the bottom line is open world pvp is a hard pass for so many gamers. It’s not that pvp is bad, it’s the lack of consent.
Absolutely this. Open world isn't bad. Non-consensual open world is bad, because more often than note it leads to ganking. The only people who enjoy ganking are the ones who can't PVP.
I personally won't be playing on launch. with the whole MMO genre failing to be a little more than a single player story with other visible people. I do not know enough about the actual game and only hear and have heard negative things about Kakao, associated mobile game money grabs and misshandling of Archeage 1. It will be one of those cases where I let the game come out and see what it looks like through the eyes of others like content creators, friends etc.
That's a good plan. I, sadly, am an addict so I'll probably play on launch and then let people know within a few hours, days, and weeks if the game is good to play or stay with.
i think i will give it a try. Since i am following AoC it dont give a sh*t about release dates, but if u give us release date at least try to come close to it. It is better to give no realease date, then a release date u wont make.
I think this is spot on with every game in development. I don't think there is one game in development that hasn't missed a bunch of dates and deadlines.
Im very dissapointed in Kakao Games. I'm guessing by the time we get AA 2 that it will just be a thinly veiled BDO2, and theres a very cynical part of me that believes they just arent capable of making good multiplayer content, given what happened to the other two games they have in development. BDO is barely even a multiplayer game, and if they give AA the same experience under the excuse of "this is what players want" then I'll never touch a Kakao product ever again. Basically just bought the name to abuse the brand awareness
I do understand why people don't want non-consensual open world PVP. As long as the game has some sort of meaningful PVP system (castle sieges, zone/territory control, guild wars with objectives more than just kill each other for an hour, battlegrounds) then I think it will be ok. I know we don't have all the information about AA2 right now, but as it stands its a little light.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork The company has had to evolve to the new generation. People have grown up, they have less time to dedicate to the game, especially to big guild activities. Young players are not the main target group of mmos, never was. It's more an adult domain. Family, work and other activities are upfront for most of us. We don't need the struggle of the past when big pvp maps were new, shiny and exciting. We want to hop in, have fun, do our tasks, mostly undisturbed. At least that's how I have seen the community evolve over the last decade. The last mmo that did/does group content right, with a healthy playerbase, overal friendly and supportive, is final fantasy 14. Single player, action driven combat is a very good approach on modern mmos and is a timeless concept. What NO player will like, is a rushed release by the company, just to get fast money. If the delay results in a better gaming experience, it's 100% the right path to take. BUT, I'm quite certain, that this game will have predatory monetisation, which should be a big no go for anyone.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork This is actually 100% correct. They have no morale in general, but, tbh, if the game itself is good and the combat, I won't care too much about all that p2w shit as long as I don't hit a wall.
That's not my personal preference, that is literally what the industry is shifting to. FFXIV - You can complete the entire main story with just your trust (NPCs) WoW - you can now go dungeon running with your NPCs These are the two biggest MMORPGs on the market and they have both catered to the single player idea. Archeage under XL Games clearly agrees with the trend as they've made this shift. Throne and Liberty did likewise. My actual personal preference is for MMORPGs to be team based, but that's not what the majority of people are advocating for.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Marketing 101. The customer may not always be right, but if they dont like something you will see a financial hit. Few people are asking for these types of single player games in th e U.S. however in eastern markets maybe.
@@TheLotroNerd I mean again I'm going to direct you right back to FFXIV and WoW If "few people" are asking for these types of single player games in the US, explain the success of Elden Ring, Cyberpunk 2077, and then why did the two biggest MMORPGs include huge swaths of single player / solo content? I think you need to accept that yes players want that single player/solo (or small co-op) but the days of the forced group content are over. You can disagree, but you ae going to have to give me some solid game examples and not try to use Marketing 101 as an answer since "The customer is always right about what they want to buy" and if the customer is buying it, that is what the customer wants.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Both of those games (Elden Ring and Cyberpunk ) are completely different genres, run by two company's that arn't having what in business would be called an identity crisis. They fill a market category as a market niche in the industry. Which gives them a strong brand image. What TRION is known for is not developing games but buying games that are dying and get what the industry calls whales to spend and donate on. What Arch age and BDO are doing is about the equivalent of when company's started to get excited about crypto and came late to the party showing off their own versions of crypto. They are chasing industry fads not because its good for the customer, but because its easier on the organization. Why because its a really easy thing to repeatably push out compared to a full scale MMORPG, that you have to nurture with higher risks for failure. What the customer wants is not what they buy, its what they settle or think they are settling for. The customer may not want something they buy, but because they are desperate for something interesting they settle. Someone can buy a game and regret it or not enjoy it. They still bought the game however it was not what they wanted its what they were told they wanted, and then later found out it wasn't. Some people are conscience of this others are not. Most people have no clue that they are being manipulated by the market to think things are good or bad, one way to do this is to normalize. Asmond actually made a fair point that what makes a good mmorpg is one that has no pay to win features. That is because it requires the game and players to have integrity. Most gamers that play MMORPGS play for respect. However that is not achievable when there is no integrity and someone can just boost to the top with irl cash. The solution to that issue right there is why there is too much risk to build an MMORPG. An Example of another risk for an MMORPG is with New World. The entire game economy collapsed because of several duping currency bugs. The Integrity of the game was exposed and players left, because their chance for gaining fame and respect just got jeopardized. So company's rather than solving the hard issues. Are selling the idea that a singleplayer game is better. because the formula they are using is safer for them. There are less chances for someone to break the game, as everyone is in their own world doing their own things and if they do break the game who really cares, because it doesn't necessarily affect other peoples experiences. In this case easier is not necessarily better for consumers, its just consumers have no other options, or are stuck to believe they have no other options.
So, wall of text is hard to get through but you have some flaws in your facts "What TRION is known for is not developing games but buying games that are dying and get what the industry calls whales to spend and donate on." Trion is known for both dveloping games (RIFT, Trove, Defiance, Atlas Reactor) as well as publishing (Archeage and Devillion). "An Example of another risk for an MMORPG is with New World. The entire game economy collapsed because of several duping currency bugs." The econonmy of New World collasped in part because of duping bugs, but also because the economy was never realigned after the game design shift. In an open world, full PVP, fort building survival game, every tree should be harvesteable becuase guilds are going to need a constant supply of wood as the basic material for building walls/palisades for defense. When AGS decided to shift the game, they didn't shift the gathering which in turn was destined to fail the economy.
Im just sick to death of pvp focused mmos trying to cater to pve players. 99% of mmos are mainly pve focused. Also plenty being made. Its like new world, described as a survival sandbox pvp mmorpg that turned into the worst of both worlds. And honestly, im happy its doing terrible. Let it be a lesson to studios to not change their vision half way through because players who have no interest in pvp complained. Bdo has done similar things, and is heading in that direction. I just dont know why games cannot stick with an open world pvp mmo with safe zones and penalties for griefing lower level/geared players. But my opinion on AA2 is that ya this sounds concerning. Mmos focusing on single player activities is so dog shit. Basically putting it simple if AA2 is similar to AA1 but with some new stuff ill play it. The core features of AA should stay. Naval battles, big open world pvp fights, or small ones its a sandbox, moving materials, farming, the justice system, the ability to choose to go pirate or something similar. These things and more are what made AA special. If you take away what make it special you run the risk of just becoming another dog shit mmo that no one will play. But trion loves taking Ls so who knows
So I can tell you this, its the PVP players who make this happen and here's why. You are level 50 and you come across a level 35 and you kill him for the lolz. That level 35 player lost his progress for the day so he (or she) logs out. Tomorrow when they log in, they spend 25/30 minutes grinding and then another level 50 comes across and kills them. The person gets frustrated and then logs out. The 3rd day, the same thing happens, but instead of just logging out they uninstall and go back to a game they enjoy. Now, some PVPers will laugh and mock them and say "we don't need those players" Well look at Archeage, earlier this year it got merged down to 1 server and now it is closing. Companies need customers, so when you treat a paying portion of the playerbase this way and they leave, you either need to kick in enough money to keep the game alive or realize its going to die.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork ya absolutely i agree with what you're saying. A lot of pvpers are griefers. Personally i find no satisfaction in killing someone who cant fight back, even max level players that dont know what theyre doing. whats the point, unless theres incentive involved and then its a different story for a lot of people. But there are like no games with good risk vs reward pvp these days anyway. And Hardcore pvp games dont do well in general. But with archeage i think it was more of the god awful choices and screw ups that trion and XL and later gamigo and kakao and whoever else made over the years that killed it. But when it comes to pvp specifically, i just think there is a line that can be maintained. I actually think the way certain areas would go at war in AA was cool and could be expanded on. But whether its something like that, or some zones being safe zones, while others have pvp with incentives to be there, there are ways to go about it. Albion is another game that does it decently. Some zones are pve, some zones are pvp where you lose nothing, and other zones are full loot pvp. It may not be the game for everyone, but that concept is solid. im not saying any mmo should be a full loot or even full pvp game. I honestly think AA did it pretty well, but it certainly could have been improved. Im just saying pvp focused games should keep pvp as a top priority. Wow, eso, gw2, ff14, these games have pvp but its an afterthought. And im also saying, when you change your vision half way through development you end up with new world. and no one wants that. new players will always be griefed in mmos. Whether its getting killed by a better player in pvp, or getting flamed in a dungeon in pve because they arent very good. I think games just need to go about handling newer players better. Bdo does a good job with olvia and season servers. Stick a new player on begginer servers for 2 months then release them into the world. But give them the option to go sooner if they want. But hoping that an mmo gets all of these things right is super wishful thinking. And at the end of the day, no matter what, ill at least try aa2. Ive heard this from many former AA players over the years and ive always felt the same way, im just waiting for a game to fill the void that AA left. There has been nothing like it since. Sure i could have kept playing it while it was literally slaughtered and revived on repeat. But after the 3rd or 4th fresh start i called it. rip.
PvP is fun for a second till the russian/china zerg's come then it becomes BORING. Just give up on large scale PvP, will never work in the West (long live the Lone Wolf)
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork AA1 still the perfect game excluding the p2w system. They could have just improved AA1 graphics with UE5 , do some bug fix and add some content and ppl would have gladly throw some money toward them.
There hasn't been any discussion of a global server. AA1 had regional servers due to regional distributors. Kakao is going to self-distribute AA2 but there will still no doubt be regional servers.
I liked MASSIVE events - naval battles. Pirating was kind of meh, because I was not top dog. So needed to have good group to do trade run. I even liked crafting mechanics, it was pretty awesome. Oh ofcourse you were able to build your house and grow all kind of stuff.. Damn, it was badass game :D
Archeage was a game that game out and it was not ahead of its time, but it was the right game at the right place at the right time.
Then Trion, Gamigo, and Kakao games all took turns bleeding it dry.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork yup, and thank you for review! I'm checking news about AA2 time-to-time and was hoping to play it this year. Sadly seems that it is not going to happen. Also they kind of mess it all up. There was EVERYTHING. Something for farmers, PVE, massive PVP events, crafting. Sandbox economy. Quests, minigames, storylines..
Then all kind of crap started to happen. I kind of miss it all, but it is what it is.
archeage was so beautiful and free. I miss the landscapes and views and the smoothness of play.
For all its faults, Archeage did have buttery smooth combat. Unbalanced to hell in a handcart, but smooth.
I was on the fence anyway being from the east and its monetization but I'm definitely out now. Don't call it an mmo.
We'll have to wait and see, but I'm leaning towards you are probably right.
I am a player from the Southeast Asia server, but unfortunately, the Southeast Asia server will shut down at the end of November 2024. However, I still cherish my memories of ArcheAge. The official direction for ArcheAge 2, which focuses more on improving life skills, is something I really like. But I don't think large-scale PvP should be removed, as this would eliminate the unique features of naval and aerial battles. Although spending money in this game means having more power, I believe large-scale PvP tests the leadership skills of heroes, minimizing the importance of individual combat strength. For example, my friends and I, wearing only ancient gear, were able to cooperate and defeat many players with crafted gear. Additionally, to maintain player engagement, there needs to be opposing forces to keep us motivated to continue playing, which in turn prolongs the game's lifespan.
*This translation was done using GPT, apologies for any errors. I am not a native English speaker but am very interested in AA2 as a player.
i miss Archeage so much .
My favorite memories are from very very early times, when I was in a mercenary guild that had 3 schooners and 3 lutesong junk and about 35 people. We would hire ourselves out to rich merchants who would fill our schooners with their resources and we would get them across the ocean to sell it. There would be spies who tipped off the other faction when we were about to go and would nearly guarantee an attack as we crossed the ocean. Naval PVP was the most intense combat! We would defend our cargo as if it were actually OURS, and the battles I remember were of course, the major victories. The guild would get paid in gold and then divvy out to everyone who had taken part. My first "paycheck" was 2 gold and I think I was about level 25 or 30 and I felt so rich lol. Good times!
If a game company is making an open world PVP game and it has naval content and the naval content isn't as good as Archeage's then they have failed.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork (cough) bdo (cough)
To answer your question it makes me "Just as or a little more likely" to play on launch, simply because I like many aspects of the game and the heavy grouping together of power players to be "an unstoppable onslught" vs the weaker or none heavy cash users which I might add was one of the main reasons the player base died again and again, ultimately destroying the game, yes this large scale heavy grouping of elites should be avoided at all costs, and instead smaller scale groups and guilds of power players vs eachother will create more competition with less mess and destruction of player base.
As a mostly PvE player i do appreciate more PvE focus, however i always had fun in sieges for instance in AA so i would hate to lose it. I will still at least try to play it and see what is there and if its any good, as with any other game im interested in but remains to be seen if i would stick with it for a while. Even though AA was PTW and all the problems it had with constant fresh restarts or merges that bled the player base dry, i still had lots of fun with it, i played it exclusively for about 2-3 years after all
Isn't it sad that's what the MMORPG genre has come down to?
"Even if its P2W I'd play it"
Someone needs to release something good.
Sounds like you’re the reason they have safe areas
Favorite memories of Archeage: trade runs to freedich isle. Discovering library for the first time in diamond shores. Housing and farming was suprisingly fun. got an epic bow from a regrade scroll. Whole server joined forces to kill leviathan. Black dragon was cool.
Large scale PVP shouldn't be removed.
I think it shouldn't be, but random world killing needs to be curbed. There has to be a happy medium.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork every zone having peace/war times though, that pretty much covers it in my opinion....
I also think large scale pvp was the most fun part of the game
Gratz man, your video got watched on stream by Asmondgold! Good publicity for your channel! (Best part of Archeage for me was the armadas to freedich for pack turn ins. Also roaming group pvp was super fun! )
Open world PvP was amazing
It really was.
I feel like this type of pivot would cater more to a player like me where I have done the large scale PVP and large guild raiding and have aged out to the point where life gets in the way to invest enough time for that type of gameplay. Nowadays I play MMOs as a single player experience and don't even partake in endgame dungeons since I'm not able to invest enough time into farming for mats or putting time aside for specific event times in a serious way. That being said I also believe this type of pivot and catering to people like me is what's killing MMO's in the first place, unfortunately corpo executives just care about casting as big of a net as possible to get those big initial purchase numbers so they can show investors upticks on charts. But all in all this change makes me more excited for the game as I will play a bunch of it on release and then put it down after I've had my fun for a couple hundred hours while those executives start to wonder why the numbers take a plummet 2 months after release of a live service game.
I think we are in a death roll for the quality of games since right now its about what makes the most money, but if we went back to making better games those would make money.
Farming Halcyona, my friend was like number 2 on server, and as painful as it was, the time I spent there I guess is nostalgic for me.
The best thing is specialization and economics
I hope that in the second edition they will focus on this matter more and in greater depth
I hope that the game is a monthly subscription and does not include any P2W
I hope so too, but its not very likely since Kakao is all about that P2W clown fiesta business model.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Well, let them put a little P2W, no problem, but it is important that it does not affect players who cannot pay a lot so that the game does not die.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork I wish we could make our voice heard to them
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I have a couple favorite memories from ArcheAge.
I joined the beta and headstart when ArcheAge was released to the west via Trion in 2014.
I jumped between guilds, but I did make a few cool online friends.
When the first whales started leaving the game (which caused difficulty in earning in-game currency to buy real-life subscription months), I decided to leave the game.
ArcheAge was re-released (I think?) around 2020, and I played for a few months.
It was very hardcore because the players that even wanted to play ... were veterans with money ... and they were pushing events and min-maxing their characters.
I didn't want to keep-up, so I left.
I really loved the sea battles ... where all of you are on a ship, and we have a captain, and someone calls orders, and we all contribute by filling our roles ... on cannons, off cannons, sails, spells, crowd control, etc ... just filling roles and acting as a team.
I think the Naval content from Archeage is its cornerstone feature because naval content includes trade ships, and trade ships are where the fun was.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork It unironically had the best naval pvp of any game by far. They really really should have leaned into it.
Best memories was a 8 h long fight against Morpheus and pirates
Favorite memmory of archeage? Are you mad lad? This very game has so many memmories it all feels like yesterday and there is yet to be another MMO that can match up to it.
This coming from a long time formerly hardcore wow player as well.
But to list top 5 that comes to my mind first:
1: Getting my very own Tradeship; Hauling and doing a high risk high reward delivery to the enemie continent, having tons of randoms wanting to join in for the haul.
2: Being the first to have the off-shore Bungalo and earning big cash from bigger guilds wanting to use my property to safely store their packages at my property.
3: Estabelishing a literall trade-union with the biggest guilds, cross faction after learning the language of the other faction.
4: Somehow become centerpoint in a massive naval fight.
5: The hilarious sailing glitches (spinning and ship) and launching friends across the sea to the other continent. As well as turning you ship into a Submarine and launching yourself into the air One Piece style to escape player-pirates.
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Large scale pvp games have been failing left and right, so they needed to change. I welcome more pve and single player content.
Gross. That's all ArcheAge was. Go play a different MMO, if they make this change they actually just need to change the name because it won't be ArcheAge anymore
@@morris_c0de463Well they have to do something otherwise it will fail again, like i said large scale pvp mmo's just seems to all do poorly. And no they don't need to change the name, the world and the lore behind it are all good but the gameplay loop and the very unbalanced pvp would be a no go.
Large scale PVP games do fail because they tend to go poorly, because they aren't designed very well.
If you have 500 vs 500 then the fight is going to boil down to this:
Can my AOE damage dealers out pace their healers AOE healing and
Can my AOE healers sustain their AOE damage dealers.
Instead of putting 500 vs 500 in one place, I'd like to see a game that has 10 objects on a map.
So now instead of 500 vs 500, now you have 10 squads of 50 vs 10 squads of 50, and maybe a strategic leader gives 1 or 2 so they can wipe up at the other 8.
Eve Online blob wars were boring, but being 2-5 systems away having a small scale skirmish at a gate trying to stop reinforcements, that's where the real fun was.
Before the official release of archeage it was the most fun I've had in a mmorpg in a very long time. The company just had to ruin it on release.
The sad part was Trion told us in Alpha/Beta the game was P2W and people were still shocked when it happened.
PvP for me was fun when the game first started and everyone’s gear was pretty much the same but when they started putting higher levels and than gearing everything towards guild gameplay it really lost a lot of flare. Was in an incredible guild with really fun people but they all wanted to join bigger guilds for end game content at the time but they all got permanent banned. After that I had a lot of fun as a solo player but couldn’t really do much of anything. Than AA became a guild heavy game which made it impossible to do anything. Dungeons had to be qued and you couldn’t run them alone or with a small party which I kept getting kicked when I just wanted to solo run dungeons. It was a real mess in the end. Would really like to try AA2 if it solo friendly and another company because don’t forget kakao stole money from their player base when they changed everyone’s credit to the rosen currency.
So, I honestly believe what killed AA so fast in NA/EU was that we never started on the 0.0 patch and went up to 0.9 and then got 1.0. We ended up starting on 1.0 where Healing Power was a thing. Everyone was able to rush Obsidian Gear which was meant as "the next" gear set.
I remember Hasla weapons being the thing and spending every rotation down there getting as many tokens as possible.
And yes, Kakao stole people's credits (ua-cam.com/video/SAhjjkdreDg/v-deo.html) which is why I'm so angry that Chrono Odyssey is being published by them.
I don't really like PvP, and I've been playing AA/AAU since 2014. I was quite active, but I never quite got the hang of the big 50vs50 or 100vs100 PvP at random events (CR, GR, random PvP at some bosses, etc.). It's chaotic, lacking organization; about 70% of the raid comprises non-PvP individuals or alts. You're dying within seconds, and you don't even know who killed you... It's a bit of a mess, to be honest. I think PvP in AA should be somehow preserved and tied to instances or organized PvP events (like Lusca, Kraken, Red/Black Dragon, Halcy...), and it should be somewhat excluded from daily activities like CR, GR, AE, Whale, etc. Just for a test, call out in the Nation chat for CR and see how many people join your raid. Then, do the same but add 'reds here, PvP at CR,' and observe how many people join - it will likely be 10-15 people at most compared to a full raid if there is no PvP involved. I don't know, just thinking out loud.
This is absolutely spot on about the way it was with any nation event if reds were there.
more and i think many are, world pvp is bad experience for alot of ppl
I think non-consensual PVP is bad for everyone except the winner.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Thats what world PVP is and how games implemented it, non consensual PVP
The focus change is what has me interested. I've always thought MMO "PvP" is really silly and not PvP at all it is simply gear vs gear for the most part. Especially eastern games that have p2w mechanics. I'm not saying there is a market for most no-life wins style PvP, but a general audience if they want PvP want something that is competitive with balance not I started 6 months after everyone so I stand no chance just because of gear. Just my 2 cents.
Sorry though that probably anyone reading this lost a title that could have suited their niche and I understand why you'd be upset.
I can understand that. As I'm getting older, I no longer find unrestricted PVP to be my favorite thing. Sure, running around fighting for the sake of fighting sounds great, but I'd rather have organized PVP over meaningful objects like Castles, Town, Territory, Caravans, Ships, Treasure, or even Battlegrounds with a score and a clear winner and loser.
fave memory: stealing thunderstruck trees and being a land grabber xD
Stealing Thunderstruck trees off the edges of property was such an amazing glitch.
Trade pack system was definitely the best feature of archeage but also their crafting system. I have yet to find an mmo that keeps my interest in crafting except maybe eve online. The fact they are catering more towards single player/guild content is a plus for me. I hated having to find a group of players just to do my daily runs. I'm normally a solo player though and not a big fan of large groups. However the large-scale raids were definitely fun and I do not think they should get rid of them.
Eve Online has the best crafting system ever, because its not a crafting system at all its a manufacturing process. I loved it. I think all MMOs should look at that process and then ua-cam.com/video/7OJPNhZIcRY/v-deo.html and figure out how to do things well.
Trade Runs - AA has the best "cornerstone" feature in the trade pack system. You can build this system out in 10 different directions. Like Ashes of Creation is doing with Caravans.
Hopefully we get some sort of "sieges" for large scale battles.
Large scale pvp and pve in open world is the most enjoyable content in the game with the interaction of factions and guilds, along with trade runs and building houses etc. Sieges were good too but end game no life p2w whales had only access of it for years...
Yeah I hope they have world bosses that can be contested. That's always entertaining.
I don't really understand how they intend to go with small scale pvp unless they intend to go the same way BDO did where players who are doing trading or lifeskills really have no benefit to be attacked. Majority of conflict in Archeage was trading, the only way I can see that becoming less so is that trade goods don't drop like in BDO.
From what we have seen, in my opinion, Archeage 2 is leaning more towards BDO's combat and less towards Archeage's sandbox. Player choice is one of the major factors of what made Archeage so compelling in the first place, and I really hope they don't lose sight of that.
But to answer your question...
My favorite memories, and favorite things to do, where dumb shenanigans guild mates and myself got up to. Probably my favorite memory was being alone on my galleon, getting rocketed into the air during a world boss, landing perfectly in between the masts of an enemy guild's ship and just sitting there like "well, them's the breaks". Half my inventory was filled at all times with sheet music so i just pulled out "He's a pirate" before i was killed by the twenty or so people on the ship I landed on.
Nice.
As long as they keep the harpoon clipper they can cook as along as they need.
Not sure if we are getting ships, but we can hope.
PVP was good. Building was good. Being able to plant and hide plants different areas and then find other peoples and sell it on the auction house was fun.
I really enjoyed the large-scale PVP and naval battles in AA. The idea of scaling back PVP so drastically makes me sad. I loved the first AA and played from alpha until about a year and a half ago.
Wow that's a long time. You held on almost to the end.
I’ll play launch regardless!
I mean if its free to play, even if its pay to win you can probably get 60 to 120 days out of it.
Large scale PvP was the only part I wanted from Arche Age 2. I probably won't play it now since it's going to New World route and have more single player and less PvP.
Sad, but true.
I don't think any game out there is going to get PVP right. I have lost most hope for a MMORPG to drop that is good before I retire from online gaming.
the issue as always with pvp based games where they make the players the content... is that "pvp" turns quickly into "griefing" and your average dad or mom (crafting) will give up and stop playing in a fairly short order. i can see why, at least for western games, they would go this route. games like this need massive player bases to keep enough money rolling in to support them. your not going to find enough edgelords and pvpers to do that. and even those people quickly lose interest when the potatos or sheep stop playing, because they cant have fun greifing them while they attempt to do trade.
I loved archage, loved it. building my first boat or jumping off that first mountain with my glider was amazing. but the community? pfft. without pve content and ways for folks to spend their time that isn't griefing or getting griefed... it will go the same way every archage 1 server did over time. people get bored, people get frustrated, and the servers die.
This highlights what I've said about gamers being dumber than rats.
A large rat knows it has to let the smaller rat win about 30% of the time when wrestling, or the smaller rat will just not engage any more and they both suffer from boredom.
PvPers should seek out PvPers to fight, people who actually want to fight. That's why objectives are better than open world no restrictions.
When I see a guy with a 97% win rate but all he does is grief, I'm not impressed. But when I see a guy with a 52% win rate but all he does is go after the biggest fish, that's a winning record against tough opponents, that's something.
I love Archeage and I'm waiting for Archeage II too, Archeage II should include PVP and PVE, it is the same as Archeage. Archeage is still working in Japan and Korea now. If Archeage II only has PVE, players will be bored with the game, so Archeage II needs to be re-designed.
I started as a free player i was new very low level , got really addicted to money from trade runs. But too tired to take packs from zepplins, teleports to a dungeon in enemy faction , runs across the walls , gaurds try to kill me, scared as fuk that nobody sees me, run miles to find a shop there who rents a cart to transfer packs. Fun times .
First naval battle i did insane.
If they could revamp and re- release archege 1 with subscription system and non p2w it would still become top. archeage already had things which ashes of creation trying to implement now.
If they could do AA1 without the P2W it would have been a market dominating game.
I think the game was great how it was except for the P2W , which they eliminated eventually with quest gear. Problem is it kind of screwed the market completely and destroyed the economy. they should have made it were you still have to craft or buy items from market. all items should be tradeable, even gear upgrades. To bring the world back to life, you travel and Brokers are setup you sell too, and other players can buy from. Remove ALL housing zone restrictions and just block people from building on spawn points, i saw Masssive amounts of open space not used for anything that people could find a spot to build in. Open world build anywhere, take out prefab buildings and build your own like most other building games. Craft all crafting stations. This was one of my favorite games i spent many hours adventuring and exploring, and LOVED the ocean content. I think they could have just rebuilt the original game on UE5 and just made some of these adjustments and been Great. The Sub payment system is great if your not forced to purchase anything other than cosmetics.
I Like the old version where it involves risk. No risk lower reward or high risk with high reward.
Just a bit of rework on gears and it should be obtainable on both crafting and pve and the game should be perfect.
Sadly, I don't think we are getting that.
jahlon nice too see you back again :),so as a archeage fan and player im not happy too see they remove completly massive fights,factions and other stuff and focus more to PvE.This is only good for AoC they dont have real competitive mmorpg(pvp/sieges),also Chrono Odyssey will be more focused on PvE!
I'm actually wondering if AA2 will have any sieges.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork if they gonna focus more on PvE probably not!
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I will wait for 2026 to read reviews from early access / alpha / beta players.
I also feel like there will be more competition because Rockstar will be in the process of releasing GTA Six to one generation of consoles, then the next generation of consoles, then to PCs.
There may be other double-A titles or triple-A titles being released, each year.
I have an RTX gaming rig, so I can play any of them.
I'm in that boat. I'm having a blast playing some single player games, some online games. I'm not longer hungry for a game to play, I've got a buffet.
I loved making different instruments and composing music. I'd be very sad if they took that out or made it less fun.
Sadly with a lot of DMCA/Copyright issues, the ability to make music in games is impacted because people import stuff that doesn't belong to them.
I love pvp but hate faction pvp. I've grown to hate being put on a team at character select. If they change the PVP systems so it's about the crime system, trade packs, and guild competition, i'd be happy. Not sure they are doing that, the move towards single player experience is concerning, but them saying they are moving away from faction pvp isn't a turn-off to me.
So, I think Eve Online does faction pvp the best. (keep in mind this is just the faction PVP not the Alliance PVP)
Yes, you are in a faction, but you can also change factions by joining up to one of the other militias.
I loved the idea of Archeage Nations that rose up to be 4th Factions. More games need to approach it this way and all games need to learn that 2 factions is bad, 3 is acceptable, but its much better when you have 5 or so factions right at creation.
I love the housing system
I loved the AA housing until I found Once Human, now I love that.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork I just want AA back again.... :(
Social part, sea content, pvp and trade system, target fight system.
ff Adeus Archeage 2, esperança fica com Ashes of Creation.
Im not a big PVPer so those changes are good to me
Thank you for sharing.
You’re another reason they have safe areas 🤓
I had so many good memories with friends on the open world and the pvp mixed with the pve. Was always kind of like scared when you saw another player cause it was like "oh will they kill me running this pack?". If they remove it then like whats the point, just boot up death stranding and take a nap. Along with the naval battles, the sieges, like you cant call your game archeage and then just remove everything that made archeage archeage. Just dont even bother. I still have hope, maybe the devs will get someone on the team that will tell them what was good and what wasnt (labor system and alts was buns), but idk its looking pretty grim...
I think that you can still make a very good open world PVP game, without having non-consensual PVP.
I think if you refine Wars so that guilds can fight guilds, alliances can fight alliances, families can fight families, then you can generate a lot of PVP on a smaller scale, but not have to worry about every single person being able to jump you.
If you combine that with sieges (castle, town/city, territory wars) that gives you a lot of meaningful PVP. Couple that with Caravans/Trade Runs as well as Naval Content, I think you can give the PvPers a lot of opportunity to kill other players, while at the same time not having a game where there are wolves hunting sheep, and sheep trying to survive.
The private versions of AA are still running strong and that is testament to a winning formula with P2W almost entirely removed. XL please dont fk up this formula.
Kakao Games own XL games son kakao is the boss :) we hope without p2win shit!
@@Vujkan so sadge init
Kakao is going to end up driving XL Games and itself into the ground.
You are absolutely correct, when all the P2W is removed from AA it is a very healthy game. XL and Gamigo had their chance with Unchained, and they blew that.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork do you play on AA Classic? It's honestly such an incredible experience, though I do think the labor per 5 is a little too high
As a morale rule I don't play on private servers. As much as I understand people wanting to enjoy the game in a way that makes it playable, intellectual property theft is still theft.
I loved the original trade runs, I didnt mind the PVP its when they tried to bottleneck and make it so the pvpers didn't have to work hard for it that irritated me. Let me make my own packs and decide if the amount is worth the risk. I will dahuta up with a treasure chest pack :P
"I sell crack and hoes"
i played archeage unchained, then got pulled into the merge with archeage + archeage unchained. Lots of things they did well, but the one thing I kept spamming and sending long complaints to the GMs was the way they set up the PVP. Trolls and the a-holes in the game using the open public PVP to bully & harass weaker players to the point they quit because these bullies are interfering with their character development. Allowing open PVP locations in places needed for trades and farming valuable goods. I basically told them, why would you allow open PVP knowing ppl will harass others, and that you cannot control every A-hole out there? The developer team will also have no time to get involved with all these dramas from unsolicited PVP, so in the end the players end up experiencing anger & frustration over and over in the game... who in the world would play a game to get angry?
Its like they forgot that the whole purpose of games should make users feel happy & enjoyable. Yes you can have competition, but not the point that its out of control which is what archeage turned into with all this Open PVP locations.
They should of never design this game to have PVP without BOTH PARTIES' CONSENT (meaning no public PVP in certain locations). Im 100% i wasn't the 1st to quit over out of control bullying & harassments.
The developers have to keep that fragile line of balance between large guild groups and smaller groups/single player content. If they acheive it, that would mean a success! But nowadays, gamers are spoiled as well as developers are greedy. Only time will only show
I agree with this on so many levels.
Developers are giving the players what makes the most money today, but they fail to realize that WoW brought in BILLIONS by being the game that gamers player today, next week, next year.
I loved making my ship trade runs
I loved my merchant ship and all the fun that went with it.
They should stick to what made the predecessor popular, very risky. Even worse if they’re trying to eventually cater to a mobile market
I'm 99.9% sure AA2 was taken off of a projected roadmap for mobile. Console plus PC is what AA2 is aiming for.
Favorite memory -- when I could wander the open world without worry of being attacked for no good reason. I am not in to PVP. I quit playing Archeage I in 2018 because I could not get away from the PVP gamers in open world explorations and exploitation's by folks whose only reason for playing was to kill other players. This sort of attitude on the part of other players totally burned me out on Archeage I. For me, that focus was toxic and did not allow me to enjoy the huge and wonderful open world explorations at all.
I am happy to hear that they decided to remove the pvp focus, and sad to hear that the N. American Servers are going away. I can only hope, at this point in time (april 2024), that my characters will be transferable to Archeage II. This is the only hope I have left in regards to Archeage I.
I understand now that it may not happen for at least a couple of years. Still, I will hope, that Khaleo games will manage to transfer all of my characters from Archeage I to Archeage II.
The possibility of an Archage II is the only reason that I have downloaded, one more time, the game, even though the N. American Servers are going away.
Character from AA1 are not transferable to AA2.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork 😥Thanks, then I will make the best of what is left of the AA1/U Server('s) life 🙏
1:40 are they bloody turning it into black desert? having a tradepack from haranya or nuia and trying to deliver it to freedich for that sweet cash was and still is one of the most intense moments in the game. you could be killed on the ocean and or right before reaching the trader npc. therefore i do surely hope that it wont be bdo 2 with archeage 2 as it's name.
So I have this really bad feelin its going to be BDO 2 with an Archeage skin overlaid and then some weak version of trade runs. I hope its not the case, but that's the vibe I'm getting.
Maybe they have a plan for Archeage 1. I prepare single player offline mode if I can own a copy and play anytime no worry. I don't like 15 dollar a month game it push me to play like a job to compete other player. If they close the server I can't play anymore. I play on AA classic server because it is free no monthly , no p2w and more labor.
That is the down side to investing time into an MMORPG. If it closes, then your character gets packed up with all the other pieces and put back on the shelf.
Honestly I don't mind some more singleplayer content. I think they lost a lot of players before they could get in with a good guild or nation or whatever, because the singleplayer experience was sort of skeletal and felt unrewarding at times. It just depends how far they take it; if the big multiplayer content suffers for these changes, the game is probably doomed to the same fate as Elyon and Bless Unleashed.
I think this is key. *some* Single player content, *some* small group content, *mostly* full party content with *some* large scale content.
Revelation Online was good for this. Yes, it was a daily grind clown fiesta, but at the same time, you had solo stuff you could do, then you had your 5 person party stuff to do, then you had your raid and siege stuff to do.
I played unchained, i quit few months before kakao.
Honestly i quit because of the factions shit, MMORPG and permanent factions doesnt work, specially if theres a factions transfer and shit, the norm of MMO devs should be my players are assholes and they will abuse anything they can, the abuse on AA, transfer to another faction and try to try farm the server.
if a faction die the players left on the faction cant do anything aside quit, instead of clan players system, u just move to another clan/guild etc. aka Lineage2.
I am down to play AA2 as long theres a Hiram equal gear system and thats weekly quest, also theres no Factions, Guild system like L2 will work perfectly fine, if the playerbase hold hands and try to free farm the server, its their decision, but having a faction system locking the playerbase its a big issue for me
Mandatory factions are a problem, and I hoping in 2024 we've moved past faction based games.
My favourites in Archeage was delivery and craft packed materials but was to much bully from other factions that had spy on my faction. They had some fake accounts ....placed them to watch crafters that leaving place and attacking them then. So game was not fair mechanics involved in. People tgat coukd afford for more pc's had camp you all day, night well system was broken and not acceptable. So I'm happy we got no faction mire pve base game because we coukd see how before system end and how destructive that was. Black Desert Online it's pve base similar mmo and it's great for 10 years. Some people got exited when talk about trade with packs because they could get attacked by enemy but ...most of them have no idea that 90 % of all trades was controlled by some people and friends of them this game was broken and never player friendly. From one side players and from other greedy developer's.
Nothing a developer will ever be able to do about faction spies, which is why faction based games should just be finished.
Final release it is quite possible for 2026 but from 2024 to 2025 there will be eventually Early Starters and Beta Versions out there. No game maker closes a game when there is not anyhting new in the drawer already. PvE focused and I will be in again!! PvP, Ganking and griefing...go away. I will not even look at the game anymore.
Yeah but I think their "in the drawer" is Chrono Odyssey since Kakao is publishing both.
I think the viscous, greedy, malicious acts that happened with Archeage 1 just don't go away because you add a 2 on the end of the name. This franchise screwed around with us way too much at this point. Forgiveness and respect needs to be earned. I am keeping my expectations where they should be. Rock bottom!!!!!!!! It's now one of those games I'll check back into 4-6 months after release to see how it's going over...... or screwing over.
I would 100% agree with you. I think Kakao tarnished their reputation and I'm not sure if they can recover.
Best character - Haranya girl, very nice figure and good animation. I only play this character. The house system, crafting, the game world. I am not interested in pvp at all.
mine was when people ran the charcoals or whatever the packs were during the days of ayanad and obsidian gear being best gear. we would patrol the sea and we would attack the east and KOS west and nab the packs. The KOS west was mostly chinese gold farmers that we would attack and take their packs or extort them and make them pay us a fee for us to leave them alone for that trip. Any money i made from those trips I would put toward wisps and try to reroll for ayanad flame gear to sell on the market. I miss the old game before all the dumb updates after that timeframe. If AA2 is not a fun filled mmo like the last then I wont partake in it.
I'm going to doubt AA2 will fill that void for you.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Yeah... its sad :(
Who's here cause of the hammer guy? 👀
Who is hammer guy?
I’d far prefer a finished game later than an unfinished game now.
Oh absolutely. I don't want them to rush. I just am surprised that the pivoted to more PVE.
I loved everything about Archeage except for the PvP design decisions which ultimately ruined the game. It had some of the coolest travel/combat/crafting/magic/etc. but the forced PvP that favored overpowered super guilds was just dumb and was never going to work. It actively undermined everything that made it great and took resources away from what could have been awesome PvE End-game. It's very smart of them to refocus on PvE this time.
Less likely, smallscale pvp around traderuns was the best ❤
Small scale PVP was great until everyone called in help and it become a zerg circus.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork halcyona wars were sick even with zergs then xD
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork hellswamp ofc...
None of us from the old game wanted to go cause the pvp was not in it or at least nothing worth mentioning. The ones who loved archeage loved it cause we built community, launched it into its own nation, held the nation, held the map on content. MASS PVP IS OUR MEMORY! i have zero interest now in archeage 2 we all waiting on ashes of creation or something with mass pvp. Jake song has zero clues what his player base want. Each patch in archeage was like a jake song vanity project. Look how many people are playing private classic server now :D
This is true, players want meaningful mass PVP.
Sadly, even Ashes of Creation with some of the rules they have put into place will miss the mark. I'm not sure we will ever see another game get the flavor of mass PVP correct.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork throne and liberty is next. Open world PvP on rotation like peace/war but also works in dungeons.
As a pre alpha AA player, AA 2 is DOA for me. I feel slightly betrayed by Jake to b honest.
I don't think its all on Jake but what is on him was the deals he made. Being bought out by Kakao sucked but can't stop a company from buying a market share.
Oh, so much more likely to play. I am a solo player. I detest pvp. I want to craft, trade, explore. i love naval combat & ocean exploration. Archeage has some of the best graphics: not only scenery, but character appearance & streamline interaction with the environment.
AA should have been a great game, but greed ruined it.
I played ArcheAge Unchained last year for maybe 30 hours, but it was boring.
This year I will be testing Ashes of Creation, Pax Dei, and Pantheon Rise of the Fallen, and don't see enough appeal in ArcheAge 2 to switch from whichever of those I wind up playing.
The only thing I can say between the 3 games you mentioned and Archeage 2, is that AA2 will be more action-combat orientated than the other 3.
With that said, I agree, I think Ashes and Pax Dei (although radically different games) offer more than what it seems AA2 is going to offer.
Gl testing pantheon😂😂😂
Archeage was an amazing game but the bottom line is open world pvp is a hard pass for so many gamers. It’s not that pvp is bad, it’s the lack of consent.
Absolutely this. Open world isn't bad. Non-consensual open world is bad, because more often than note it leads to ganking.
The only people who enjoy ganking are the ones who can't PVP.
I personally won't be playing on launch. with the whole MMO genre failing to be a little more than a single player story with other visible people. I do not know enough about the actual game and only hear and have heard negative things about Kakao, associated mobile game money grabs and misshandling of Archeage 1. It will be one of those cases where I let the game come out and see what it looks like through the eyes of others like content creators, friends etc.
That's a good plan. I, sadly, am an addict so I'll probably play on launch and then let people know within a few hours, days, and weeks if the game is good to play or stay with.
I await your review so I can make a more informed purchase!@@ParadoxGamingNetwork
its over
Because of how Kakao treated Archeage 1.0 and Unchained?
Or because of the pivot towards more PVE.
People would rather play monster hunter wild for the seeable future and it isn't AA2 time to shine
That is true. It has to have its 15 minutes on the stage.
i think i will give it a try. Since i am following AoC it dont give a sh*t about release dates, but if u give us release date at least try to come close to it. It is better to give no realease date, then a release date u wont make.
I think this is spot on with every game in development. I don't think there is one game in development that hasn't missed a bunch of dates and deadlines.
Im very dissapointed in Kakao Games. I'm guessing by the time we get AA 2 that it will just be a thinly veiled BDO2, and theres a very cynical part of me that believes they just arent capable of making good multiplayer content, given what happened to the other two games they have in development. BDO is barely even a multiplayer game, and if they give AA the same experience under the excuse of "this is what players want" then I'll never touch a Kakao product ever again. Basically just bought the name to abuse the brand awareness
I think this hits home, if not a home run, at least a shot to the warning track.
Less likely Open World PVP is the way
Middle of a mission boom why is this guy looking at me wrong
Fight!
I do understand why people don't want non-consensual open world PVP.
As long as the game has some sort of meaningful PVP system (castle sieges, zone/territory control, guild wars with objectives more than just kill each other for an hour, battlegrounds) then I think it will be ok.
I know we don't have all the information about AA2 right now, but as it stands its a little light.
The changes are good.
That's fair. Always good for both sides of the feedback.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork
The company has had to evolve to the new generation.
People have grown up, they have less time to dedicate to the game, especially to big guild activities.
Young players are not the main target group of mmos, never was.
It's more an adult domain. Family, work and other activities are upfront for most of us.
We don't need the struggle of the past when big pvp maps were new, shiny and exciting.
We want to hop in, have fun, do our tasks, mostly undisturbed.
At least that's how I have seen the community evolve over the last decade.
The last mmo that did/does group content right, with a healthy playerbase, overal friendly and supportive, is final fantasy 14.
Single player, action driven combat is a very good approach on modern mmos and is a timeless concept.
What NO player will like, is a rushed release by the company, just to get fast money.
If the delay results in a better gaming experience, it's 100% the right path to take.
BUT, I'm quite certain, that this game will have predatory monetisation, which should be a big no go for anyone.
Being published by kakao, it will almost certainly have crazy monetization. That seems to be how they kill all their games.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork This is actually 100% correct. They have no morale in general, but, tbh, if the game itself is good and the combat, I won't care too much about all that p2w shit as long as I don't hit a wall.
I've always known they were going to ruin it. They don't make good choices.
I think this choice is good for the current market.
@@ParadoxGamingNetworkI’m not so sure. They don’t have a good track record of good decisions.
So stop complaining and go make your own game
@@heoar12 I actually am working on my own game. It's just a hobby and I'm still learning. But I enjoy it.
we dont want single player. thank you for projecting your personal preference...........
That's not my personal preference, that is literally what the industry is shifting to.
FFXIV - You can complete the entire main story with just your trust (NPCs)
WoW - you can now go dungeon running with your NPCs
These are the two biggest MMORPGs on the market and they have both catered to the single player idea. Archeage under XL Games clearly agrees with the trend as they've made this shift. Throne and Liberty did likewise.
My actual personal preference is for MMORPGs to be team based, but that's not what the majority of people are advocating for.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Marketing 101. The customer may not always be right, but if they dont like something you will see a financial hit. Few people are asking for these types of single player games in th e U.S. however in eastern markets maybe.
@@TheLotroNerd I mean again I'm going to direct you right back to FFXIV and WoW
If "few people" are asking for these types of single player games in the US, explain the success of Elden Ring, Cyberpunk 2077, and then why did the two biggest MMORPGs include huge swaths of single player / solo content?
I think you need to accept that yes players want that single player/solo (or small co-op) but the days of the forced group content are over.
You can disagree, but you ae going to have to give me some solid game examples and not try to use Marketing 101 as an answer since "The customer is always right about what they want to buy" and if the customer is buying it, that is what the customer wants.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Both of those games (Elden Ring and Cyberpunk ) are completely different genres, run by two company's that arn't having what in business would be called an identity crisis. They fill a market category as a market niche in the industry. Which gives them a strong brand image. What TRION is known for is not developing games but buying games that are dying and get what the industry calls whales to spend and donate on. What Arch age and BDO are doing is about the equivalent of when company's started to get excited about crypto and came late to the party showing off their own versions of crypto. They are chasing industry fads not because its good for the customer, but because its easier on the organization. Why because its a really easy thing to repeatably push out compared to a full scale MMORPG, that you have to nurture with higher risks for failure. What the customer wants is not what they buy, its what they settle or think they are settling for. The customer may not want something they buy, but because they are desperate for something interesting they settle. Someone can buy a game and regret it or not enjoy it. They still bought the game however it was not what they wanted its what they were told they wanted, and then later found out it wasn't. Some people are conscience of this others are not. Most people have no clue that they are being manipulated by the market to think things are good or bad, one way to do this is to normalize. Asmond actually made a fair point that what makes a good mmorpg is one that has no pay to win features. That is because it requires the game and players to have integrity. Most gamers that play MMORPGS play for respect. However that is not achievable when there is no integrity and someone can just boost to the top with irl cash. The solution to that issue right there is why there is too much risk to build an MMORPG. An Example of another risk for an MMORPG is with New World. The entire game economy collapsed because of several duping currency bugs. The Integrity of the game was exposed and players left, because their chance for gaining fame and respect just got jeopardized. So company's rather than solving the hard issues. Are selling the idea that a singleplayer game is better. because the formula they are using is safer for them. There are less chances for someone to break the game, as everyone is in their own world doing their own things and if they do break the game who really cares, because it doesn't necessarily affect other peoples experiences. In this case easier is not necessarily better for consumers, its just consumers have no other options, or are stuck to believe they have no other options.
So, wall of text is hard to get through but you have some flaws in your facts
"What TRION is known for is not developing games but buying games that are dying and get what the industry calls whales to spend and donate on."
Trion is known for both dveloping games (RIFT, Trove, Defiance, Atlas Reactor) as well as publishing (Archeage and Devillion).
"An Example of another risk for an MMORPG is with New World. The entire game economy collapsed because of several duping currency bugs."
The econonmy of New World collasped in part because of duping bugs, but also because the economy was never realigned after the game design shift.
In an open world, full PVP, fort building survival game, every tree should be harvesteable becuase guilds are going to need a constant supply of wood as the basic material for building walls/palisades for defense. When AGS decided to shift the game, they didn't shift the gathering which in turn was destined to fail the economy.
Im just sick to death of pvp focused mmos trying to cater to pve players. 99% of mmos are mainly pve focused. Also plenty being made. Its like new world, described as a survival sandbox pvp mmorpg that turned into the worst of both worlds. And honestly, im happy its doing terrible. Let it be a lesson to studios to not change their vision half way through because players who have no interest in pvp complained. Bdo has done similar things, and is heading in that direction. I just dont know why games cannot stick with an open world pvp mmo with safe zones and penalties for griefing lower level/geared players. But my opinion on AA2 is that ya this sounds concerning. Mmos focusing on single player activities is so dog shit. Basically putting it simple if AA2 is similar to AA1 but with some new stuff ill play it. The core features of AA should stay. Naval battles, big open world pvp fights, or small ones its a sandbox, moving materials, farming, the justice system, the ability to choose to go pirate or something similar. These things and more are what made AA special. If you take away what make it special you run the risk of just becoming another dog shit mmo that no one will play. But trion loves taking Ls so who knows
So I can tell you this, its the PVP players who make this happen and here's why.
You are level 50 and you come across a level 35 and you kill him for the lolz. That level 35 player lost his progress for the day so he (or she) logs out.
Tomorrow when they log in, they spend 25/30 minutes grinding and then another level 50 comes across and kills them. The person gets frustrated and then logs out.
The 3rd day, the same thing happens, but instead of just logging out they uninstall and go back to a game they enjoy.
Now, some PVPers will laugh and mock them and say "we don't need those players"
Well look at Archeage, earlier this year it got merged down to 1 server and now it is closing.
Companies need customers, so when you treat a paying portion of the playerbase this way and they leave, you either need to kick in enough money to keep the game alive or realize its going to die.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork ya absolutely i agree with what you're saying. A lot of pvpers are griefers. Personally i find no satisfaction in killing someone who cant fight back, even max level players that dont know what theyre doing. whats the point, unless theres incentive involved and then its a different story for a lot of people. But there are like no games with good risk vs reward pvp these days anyway.
And Hardcore pvp games dont do well in general. But with archeage i think it was more of the god awful choices and screw ups that trion and XL and later gamigo and kakao and whoever else made over the years that killed it. But when it comes to pvp specifically, i just think there is a line that can be maintained.
I actually think the way certain areas would go at war in AA was cool and could be expanded on. But whether its something like that, or some zones being safe zones, while others have pvp with incentives to be there, there are ways to go about it.
Albion is another game that does it decently. Some zones are pve, some zones are pvp where you lose nothing, and other zones are full loot pvp. It may not be the game for everyone, but that concept is solid.
im not saying any mmo should be a full loot or even full pvp game. I honestly think AA did it pretty well, but it certainly could have been improved. Im just saying pvp focused games should keep pvp as a top priority. Wow, eso, gw2, ff14, these games have pvp but its an afterthought.
And im also saying, when you change your vision half way through development you end up with new world. and no one wants that.
new players will always be griefed in mmos. Whether its getting killed by a better player in pvp, or getting flamed in a dungeon in pve because they arent very good. I think games just need to go about handling newer players better. Bdo does a good job with olvia and season servers. Stick a new player on begginer servers for 2 months then release them into the world. But give them the option to go sooner if they want.
But hoping that an mmo gets all of these things right is super wishful thinking. And at the end of the day, no matter what, ill at least try aa2.
Ive heard this from many former AA players over the years and ive always felt the same way, im just waiting for a game to fill the void that AA left. There has been nothing like it since. Sure i could have kept playing it while it was literally slaughtered and revived on repeat. But after the 3rd or 4th fresh start i called it. rip.
Archeage 2 gor win and only Archeage 2 sorry but there in no other mmo even close.
Shame...
It really is.
PvP is fun for a second till the russian/china zerg's come then it becomes BORING. Just give up on large scale PvP, will never work in the West (long live the Lone Wolf)
If you played AA, you would know that wasn't the case
I would agree, in AA this absolutely wasn't the case, but that's also because the Russians had their own servers.
The Russians still have an ArcheRage server I believe too. It was a good idea, but the lag made it tough.
Less like to play
Between these changes and the Kakao handling of AA1 I'm not sure if I will even try it.
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork AA1 still the perfect game excluding the p2w system. They could have just improved AA1 graphics with UE5 , do some bug fix and add some content and ppl would have gladly throw some money toward them.
freedom multiplayer, not cater to western bs plutocracy
Archeage trying to be BDO... Gross
I know the BDO fans loved them their BDO, but if we keep it real BDO was very niche.
Where will the archeage 2 global region server locate? A real multi server for global or just NA again?
There hasn't been any discussion of a global server.
AA1 had regional servers due to regional distributors. Kakao is going to self-distribute AA2 but there will still no doubt be regional servers.