(DISCLAIMER: Both vids are staged. They are acting and playing characters. They aren't so angry in real life) Subscribe or you'll get paired up against Francis!
Second clip is actually a Training for judges, the guy on the left is a pro judge and it was a video to demonstrate to new judges how to handle situations and the comportment judges should have.
Fun to see this video pop up again. For any curious, my role in the training thing was "Tournament Grinder who is sure the opponent is cheating" or something similar iirc. A lot of fun to act these scenarios out (probably my favorite part of judge conferences), and this one was definitely based (roughly) on some actual interactions I've had at comp REL with players in my years judging.
First clip: Probably one the first skit video of Boogie, way before he gained his fame Second clip: Its a judge training video, both players are actually judge who must fake being players that argue about rules.
@@amccombs42 Its for remove from opponent's hand spells, you dont want them to know where your good cards are at in your hand as they will just pick the card you immediately where happy to see drawn and moved to a specific spot in your hand, and now your screwed.
@@MountainLich don't spells like that either let you look at the hand or say "at random" which would translate to shuffling them before you choose anyway?
at our shop, the dude raising hell about pile shuffling and arguing with a judge would've been thrown out as soon as he gave the judge attitude. disagreeing is fine, but disrespecting a judge like that is an ejection.
As a wannabe judge - I want to say, behaviour of the judge in the second part is awesome. To prevent aggression and kindly and calmly explain and incorporate the ruling - not the easiest things to learn and to do.
I would agree with you except for the judges immediate body language bent over the table and repeated touching of the disruptive player. The touching especially is not great at all for deescelating someone who is angry. The tone of voice and body language immediately expressed "I'm the authority, so why am I here?" vs. "I understand you have an issue, hopefully we can resolve it together." Obviously the left actor was being a douchenozzle and in this scenario obviously wasn't going to calm down, but if this was a real life scenario there wasn't really any deescalation, but simply a display and use of authority.
@@trashmastar actually you cannot pile shuffle even once, technically, that one which is allowed is for checking the deck isn't missing any cards, not for shuffling. It's written this way because pile shuffling is the method with easiest shuffle cheating shenanigans.
When I was a kid playing mtg, I once gave my opponent a "mercy turn" where you don't kill your opponent so they don't feel bad about losing. This was a horrible mistake as I lost the game, as he taught me never to do that, and I lost a booster box at that tournament because of that. That was the day I learned, show no mercy in mtg!
True. I have a guy at my LGS who plays EDH that is always whining, crying and begging to spare him since he is screwed on lands or for whatever reason just to win next turn.
@@mememaster5748 In my old edh playgroup there were 3 of us, and most of the games were us targeting the one guy who's decks were regularly more powered than ours, until he was at around 5 life, then we would feel bad and let him live bc he looked really sad :( Ofc the next turn he would win most of the time
@@mememaster5748 GOD there is one man I refuse to play commander with anymore for this reason. When he was losing he would be audibly sulking, but then he'd pull out his combo to take like five turns in a row and expected you to watch him play out those five turns, and would sulk if you conceded. Toxic af.
@@jinxed7915 oh for sure! I had a lock with Vivien's Arkbow and Ilharg and a separate one with Challenger Troll and the Angrath in a War of the Spark pre-release and my opponent looked at those cards and dropped after our match, I feel bad but I wasn't going to throw because I had good luck. In a casual edh game though, take backs (to an extent), bending the rules here and there, as long as everyone's okay with it and it's for fun, why not?
@@DevilDave77 cheaty face is a joke card with an ability that let's you sneak it into play and keep it if your opponent doesnt catch you. It's not legal in traditional play though.
The fake boogie MTG rage was honestly a mood. That feeling of being over taken by your opponent cause you spent your hand and you cant summon anything is just. Ouch.
I think the second judge did a good job. But I think he should have started with “you are partly correct” because A) a pile shuffle can’t be your LAST shuffle before presenting and B) presenting always means that you have an opportunity to shuffle your opponent’s deck.
A pile shuffle can be your last shuffle. It just can't be your only shuffle. If you shuffled properly before then your deck is already randomized. And I don't see how making piles of random stuff and putting them back together removed the randomness. (unless it was done face up)
@@FirstnameLastname-ok1yz no if you actually listened the 2 judges stated it may only be done 1 per game at the start you can't shuffle then decide to finish with a pile shuffle as the head judge said
Actually there are a lot of ways that you can "de-randomize" a deck through a pile shuffle but there are typically indicators that will tell you as much. When shuffling there are ways to peak what's sitting at your splits and players have even gone as far as to "deface" sleeves to know what their next draws are. Something as simple as nail dents on sleeves that would be hard to notice unless you were looking for them and that can be done. When I was playing competitively I've heard that being used multiple times and these people were only caught because of a deck check by the judges during later rounds. There are even multiple ways that you can shuffle a deck to know what's where if you stack the deck in between rounds. It's stupid but when someone thinks money or fame is on the line then that's when dumb shit like that happens.
You can preorder your deck before the pile shuffle. If all you do is pile shuffle you can pile shuffle in such a way as to order your deck in a specific way.
If it was random to begin with, it can't. But if it wasn't random, and you know the order before shuffling, it will still not be random after pile shuffle, that's the point. And if it's already random, there is no need to pile shuffle it. So pile shuffle should never happen to begin with (counting a deck is an exception, but at that point it's hardly a "shuffle").
@@mickbarnes1147 Cool, but that only works if your opponent is an idiot and doesn’t call you out for not presenting the deck. Doesn’t matter how fancy your shuffles are, present your deck to your opponent and you aren’t stacking your deck anymore.
4:55 How does pile shuffling a randomized deck remove the randomness? Unless you know which cards are which by marked sleeves, or you saw the card's front face, etc. the cards are still randomized, and the opponent can still shuffle and/or cut the deck which still makes it randomized.
The only thing I can think of where pile shuffling makes the deck less random, is when you do it face up to "re-seed" the deck. I have a rather jank deck which is really fun to play, but it does this thing where it sorts the library. So like going from turn 8 or 9 onwards I know exactly what the next 6, 7, 8 cards that I am going to draw are going to be. But this also has the side effect that it piles all the land at the bottom of the library. With all the lands at a single clump, it becomes a frustrating process to shuffle the deck enough times that the lands are again evenly distributed throughout the deck for the next game. So I do an open pile "shuffle" to "re-seed" the deck to a playable state. After which it needs much less actual shuffling to get it to a randomised state again. Yes it could be done by shuffling the deck normally for 10 minutes. or just take a minute to re-seed and then shuffle a couple of times and be done with it in 2 or 3 minutes. And even that kind of re-seeding isn't cheating provided you actually shuffle afterwards and allow the opponent to cut/shuffle upon presenting.
There was a big storm about pile shuffling a few years ago. The point is: it doesn't add randomness, it adds a pattern. So if you wanted to you could backtrack the shuffle and the cards would be in the exact starting position as before the pile shuffle. Simple fix: instead of going a fixed direction from pile to pile, randomize each time. No way anyone will remember in what order the cards were added, let alone do it backwards to "prove it isn't random". Or just mash shuffle the piles together afterwards. Real reason for pile shuffling to be limited to only once per game is what Nikachu eluded to: it takes too long; 10 seconds of mash shuffling will result in the same (maybe even more) randomness as 2 min of pile shuffling.
also... when im not wrong... the enemie is allowed to shuffle the deck before the game starts, we used this basic "2cards 1mana 2cards 1mana" thing and then shuffle a bit, but there was friends stacking complete decks and hope u didnt shuffle them lol, then we knew exactly we shuffled his deck in the 2-1-2-1 scenario so he just drew spells but none lands, as all 18-22 lands are on last :DD
In all fairness, the first video with Francis, the opponent is not being very hero like. That's very cringe not letting your opponent scoop and with no cards in their hands and no activated abilities to prevent lethal. Also the fact that the "hero" had an x spell in hand for several turns and not killed their opponents is disrespectful.
Never really paid attention to Francis's opponent until this video. He does looked oddly familiar. A splash of fashionable grey on the hair, sharp nose, fair skin... definitely looks like someone who would make funny and witty MTG contents on UA-cam.
All I'm saying, is staged or not, I'd have probably lost my shit too if another player was just screwing with me like in the first clip. Like, if you have the win-con, hit it so that we can shuffle up again or get to our next match. The sad part is that there really are players who will string a game along just so that they can have the biggest swing possible to end it all rather than just end the game as early as possible.
"They aren't so angry in real life" I mean Boogie fired a loaded gun into the air in a school zone.... Boogie might be more Francis than people give him credit for.
Big respect to this judge how calmy and smoothly he handles the situation, also that plot twist where we get to know one of the players is lvl2 judge. Really nice video, love those.
I knew a guy who never quit a game, but he punched himself for every mistake that he made while playing and he punched himself even harder for any succesfull play his opponents made. And I can assure you, he punched himself really really hard, I cannot recall any judge that dared to confront him for that
After years of my best friend trying to get me to play Magic I finally learned after watching the Francis video in 2012. The video was so hilarious and I had to know wtf was going on in that game.
When a game just makes you angry or sad, maybe its time to take a break and ask you the question, if this game is still worth to be played. I think when a game lets you struggle emotionally in that way, you have to change yourself and your life.
The audacity of the guy. Excellent composure from the head judge! And yeah dude was slow rolling and trolling the poor guy just wanting to scoop. Guy just trying to avoid a heart attack! lol
You do know that in the second video, they're all judges and are at a judging event right? They're each playing out scenarios, and having one person play the judge, in order to practice dealing with particular scenarios. The judge playing the Dbag, that guy has some acting skills, cause it's damn near convincing.
I was once in a Books-a-$$$$ and they allowed kids to plat MTG in the floor in front of the magazine racks because there was a lot of floor space. It was cool to watch them, but one day while this was going on and I was there looking for a magazine, there were 3 kids sitting in the floor playing, when a kid that looked like a kids version of the fat guy in the first clip got mad because the other kid pulled a card on him that I suppose ended the game and the big kid got so mad he flipped the cards all over the floor and started to shout. Immediately I turned and said to the kid. "Hush! It's just a game!" and he started to speak and I again said "It's just a game!" and he turned away and pouted. I don't play MTG but it's fun to watch people who do play, but when they get like theses people, it's not cool.
The reason people don’t think pile shuffling is right is because of mana weaving. Skilled cheaters will have there deck in a way when they get to game that they know where the lands are and spells are and will make it so they have a “perfect” draw.
@@capcomkid22 mana weaving is one particular kind of pile shuffling so it's not something outstanding to think, that illegal small one is kinda linked to technically legal big one.
Was really relieved to see the second clip was staged. I feel like those types of players becoming the majority of who I meet at FNMs got me to stop playing.
" I can guarantee you I can understand better than you do" These are the EXACT words and i mean EXACT words of someone who does not in fact know better than you at any point in time. When you KNOW you are correct you will let others prove you right. When you THINK you know you are correct you have to prove everyone else wrong
Oddly enough, I've learned to like playing out unwinnable games to learn more for future games. I only actually scoop when I've learned everything possible or we need to get a move on.
I had a match, final round at FNM. The other guy came in early and had a massive card collection he was trading. Everyone was impressed. His deck was a net deck from the latest GP. I was trying to be friendly and talked to him, it was just FNM it's for fun not competition. Towards the end of the game he tells me I'm not allowed to talk, it was rude and I figured he'd be hurt if I focused on the game, I lost game 1. He comes into game 2 and, despite the fact that he told me "You're not allowed to talk" he was bad mouthing me and my deck. He overextends round 2, I wipe and kill him. Game 3, he's going on about how much better his deck is than mine and there's no way I will win this match, I stayed quiet. He's holding back seeing I have the mana for the board wip but I'm dropping just enough where I'll kill him unless he drops. So he drops and starts screaming at me, you have it, don't you. You were lucky and blah blah. I let him rant and show him the wipe then drop my hand, he was in top deck mode. He scoops the cards into a box and runs out, I get him to tell him he needed to pick up his prize. The whole time he's talking anout how there was no way I should have won that game, I pointed out when you net deck a recent winning deck of course people will have solutions.
Everybody needs to stop evolving so I can stay on top forever, just like the great Magic tournament of 1892! Jk idk what I’m talking about, I started playing Magic 2 weeks ago but this is all so fascinating to me. I can’t wait to play with real live people but I hope I don’t meet anyone like that lol sheeesh.
Aah yes, net deckers. Or as my friend calls them "meta whores"... And then you make 4th in a Legacy event with a bizarro Simic Adapt deck, because it's so far outside of the meta for that setting that most players just have no clue how to deal with it.
What an utter tosser. He's gonna net deck, act like a pompous douche and then when he gets his ass kicked he leaves. All the while, "you're not allowed to talk".
I watched the first one like 10 time 😂 Seriously Nikachu, be honest, how were you able to watch that without breaking down into laughter every time 😂 holy SHIT
Last FNM game 2, I was playing Merfolk vs. Tron. In both games, I was able to Tide Shaper/Spreading Seas one of their Tron lands on curve and aggro them out to victory. I said "Good Game" after the second game, to which the Tron player responded with "NO!" and then angrily slammed down their hand, revealing an Ugin, the Spirit Dragon. Like, I'm sorry your deck doesn't have any interaction aside from big mana spells. As a Tron player, you should expect hate in games 2 and 3 and play around it, especially vs. Merfolk/any other deck that wants Spreading Seas. Don't get mad at me for playing the game, and don't be a sore loser at FNM perpetuating the man-child MTG player stereotype.
Nicely put. I have 2 backup plans mainboard to fall back on if I got locked out of my Urza lands. And I ALWAYS expect land destruction when facing anything with red in it.
7:20 I'm also a judge here - the two issues in that second video are covered in sections 3.3 (slow play from the excessive shuffling, shouldn't still be shuffling 8 minutes in) and 3.9 (insufficient shuffling, which specifically mentions allowing one pile shuffle for counting purposes) of the IPG even then both are only warnings. The third issue is in section 4.5 (UC - Aggressive Behaviour) and that one's a DQ
I can sometimes not understand why or how a combination works and I was a judge at one point in time. Everyone can be make mistakes but if you make a mistake in a tournament as a judge you can also allow someone to win who wouldn't have before. That said there are many times when you should not trust your own judgment in a tournament and that is typically when you are a player and especially when you are making a decision about something that is in your favor or when you are making a decision that can change a potential loss into a win. For example if you had a card that allows you to look at your opponents hand and make them discard a card that you choose and its not in English or the correct language for where you are playing you must have a good and accurate translation of the card. Especially if you're in a paid tournament. The event I'm talking about happened when I was in high school and there was not a easy way to validate the translation of any card or anything else like that. At this point in time discard decks were huge and especially when they allow you to target any or most of the cards that were in the opponents hand. Well I was facing an opponent who had a decent discard deck and I was playing my only deck that I thought had a chance in the tournament and I won all three games against that person. But they were using lots of cards that were not in English and most of them the player said did one of two things either your opponent would discard a card that you choose or discard a large number of cards something like three or more and all of this for a single black mana.I knew that something was wrong with this and I was right about that the shop owner was in the habit of fleecing young card players who didn't know any better. He would have the same one person always show up with cards that were never in English and they were not used combination to win and him and the shop owner would split up the money. My friends and I were very pissed about this because we had spent a large amount of money with the store However that weekend he only had us and the non--English card user who was simply there to help him basically steal money from kids. The cards that the person was using that don't exist all cost one mana to play and they allow you to make your opponent discard anywhere from one to four cards at instant speed and then with the cards that discard one and two cards you can choose which cards are discarded and there are no cards that allow you to do That.
Very nice - No.1 = "physically favourite" - No.2 = "psychological favourite" - especially the Judge in the second one was very nice ^^ - I would like to see more of "that kind of action" which happened in the second example ^^ PS.: excuse my bad english :)
I really wanted to see that second guys face when the rule is read out to him. But, I do have a feeling that it would be like "everyone makes mistakes" right after he went "I will rub it in your nose", because only his mistakes can be forgiven. I can imagine how much of a pain he would be in a tabletop roleplaying game. The one thing worse than I rules lawyer is a rules lawyer who's incorrect.
Both of these are training videos. I’ve seen them both at conferences. First is to demonstrate USC, the second is to demonstrate stalling (when the pile shuffling rules changed) and also USC. And that judge in the second video is my friend Lyle. All the people in the second video are judges.
Poor Francis, I am afraid to see him in that state of tension and irritation since I fear that he will have a heart attack or something similar with the obesity that he has. The truth is that Francis's opponent could have finished him in the previous turn, and in the next he does things quite slowly... he almost seems to want to make Francis suffer who is obviously struggling to handle this frustrating situation. Seeing as things were, I in the place of Francis's opponent would have stopped the nonsense and would have ended the duel. I think Francis's reaction was in large part because he felt his opponent was lengthening the situation by enjoying having Francis like this.
(DISCLAIMER: Both vids are staged. They are acting and playing characters. They aren't so angry in real life) Subscribe or you'll get paired up against Francis!
Change title now then
@@PeteOnTheBeat no
Your title sucks
You can tell the 2nd video is staged lol. The guy on the left keeps breaking character.
Why don't you say this at all in the video?
Second clip is actually a Training for judges, the guy on the left is a pro judge and it was a video to demonstrate to new judges how to handle situations and the comportment judges should have.
what do you suppose inspired the 1000 other people to make the same comment after you?
Guy on the left is one heck of a good actor
@@wesbogenreif1701 you're telling me I believed that dude completely he really channeled his previous experience.
oh thank God.. i had to try and exist knowing this specific guy was at large.
@@robeywan LOL ikr? I was like "this guy is so insufferable...". I'm glad to know he was just a judge whos an amazing actor
Fun to see this video pop up again. For any curious, my role in the training thing was "Tournament Grinder who is sure the opponent is cheating" or something similar iirc. A lot of fun to act these scenarios out (probably my favorite part of judge conferences), and this one was definitely based (roughly) on some actual interactions I've had at comp REL with players in my years judging.
Please make more of those training videos. I need more content!
Your acting is really good.
i’m glad what i just watched wasn’t entirely real then, you had my blood boiling. that judge held his ground really well. great work!
Those were great for teaching too
Are you allowed to do your pile as your final shuffle? I was under the impression it had to happen before your actual shuffle.
I know it was scripted af but the
“So I win right” got me weak 😂
The Francis interaction is just a skit making fun of people freaking out playing magic.
I was gonna say; who stops their opponent from scooping lol
@@slick_rickgaming1102 people who like to watch them burn.
@@slick_rickgaming1102 if you look closely, the guy on the right is Nikachu lol 😆
First video was a skit. Lol
Yeah Francis is performing
My play group and I ritualistically screech "that's 14 out of 17 lands" when we are getting mana flooded
First clip: Probably one the first skit video of Boogie, way before he gained his fame
Second clip: Its a judge training video, both players are actually judge who must fake being players that argue about rules.
They looked incredibly staged. Funny but thanks for making this comment.
Well damn i thought these were real events..
@@amccombs42 Its for remove from opponent's hand spells, you dont want them to know where your good cards are at in your hand as they will just pick the card you immediately where happy to see drawn and moved to a specific spot in your hand, and now your screwed.
@@MountainLich don't spells like that either let you look at the hand or say "at random" which would translate to shuffling them before you choose anyway?
@@amccombs42 "Look" = staples like Thoughtseize. Plenty of others = enemy-choise "nonland"/"noncreature"/etc
at our shop, the dude raising hell about pile shuffling and arguing with a judge would've been thrown out as soon as he gave the judge attitude. disagreeing is fine, but disrespecting a judge like that is an ejection.
Apparently this was all acting. It was a video for training judges on how to act professionally during situations that might arise
The guy is a jerk and should’ve been thrown out period. People who allow this behavior are just enablers at this point.
To this day the Francis video is still one of my favourites of all time.
Vids fake
@@benniemi3213 I'm aware doesn't mean it's not funny.
The first video is so funny!
After four turns of nothing but lands, my reaction would be more of laughter and maybe thoughts of buying a lotto ticket...
Boogie lol the UA-camr.
As a wannabe judge - I want to say, behaviour of the judge in the second part is awesome. To prevent aggression and kindly and calmly explain and incorporate the ruling - not the easiest things to learn and to do.
the guy on the left is an actor and those judges are doing that to demonstrate how to handle this kind of situations in a real tournament
@@cat4luny4 and it's still awesome)
I would agree with you except for the judges immediate body language bent over the table and repeated touching of the disruptive player.
The touching especially is not great at all for deescelating someone who is angry. The tone of voice and body language immediately expressed "I'm the authority, so why am I here?" vs. "I understand you have an issue, hopefully we can resolve it together."
Obviously the left actor was being a douchenozzle and in this scenario obviously wasn't going to calm down, but if this was a real life scenario there wasn't really any deescalation, but simply a display and use of authority.
Why can u only pile shuffle once per game?
@@trashmastar actually you cannot pile shuffle even once, technically, that one which is allowed is for checking the deck isn't missing any cards, not for shuffling.
It's written this way because pile shuffling is the method with easiest shuffle cheating shenanigans.
When I was a kid playing mtg, I once gave my opponent a "mercy turn" where you don't kill your opponent so they don't feel bad about losing. This was a horrible mistake as I lost the game, as he taught me never to do that, and I lost a booster box at that tournament because of that. That was the day I learned, show no mercy in mtg!
True. I have a guy at my LGS who plays EDH that is always whining, crying and begging to spare him since he is screwed on lands or for whatever reason just to win next turn.
@@mememaster5748 In my old edh playgroup there were 3 of us, and most of the games were us targeting the one guy who's decks were regularly more powered than ours, until he was at around 5 life, then we would feel bad and let him live bc he looked really sad :(
Ofc the next turn he would win most of the time
@@mememaster5748 GOD there is one man I refuse to play commander with anymore for this reason. When he was losing he would be audibly sulking, but then he'd pull out his combo to take like five turns in a row and expected you to watch him play out those five turns, and would sulk if you conceded. Toxic af.
Show no mercy when prizes are on the line. Otherwise, feel free to do it at your own risk
@@jinxed7915 oh for sure! I had a lock with Vivien's Arkbow and Ilharg and a separate one with Challenger Troll and the Angrath in a War of the Spark pre-release and my opponent looked at those cards and dropped after our match, I feel bad but I wasn't going to throw because I had good luck. In a casual edh game though, take backs (to an extent), bending the rules here and there, as long as everyone's okay with it and it's for fun, why not?
*shows him the rulebook* - "that's a fake rulebook" - pretend rules lawyer xD
I feel for Francis. There was absolutely NO REASON why opponent had to do this.
What if he had a cheaty face up his sleeve? You can never be sure man!
@@mrstrawhat9227 what if he did? Literally though idk much about mtg and would like to understand what you mean.
It’s because he was using blue lmao
@@DevilDave77 cheaty face is a joke card with an ability that let's you sneak it into play and keep it if your opponent doesnt catch you. It's not legal in traditional play though.
@@mrstrawhat9227 interesting
Wasn't the Francis bit staged and not a real rage?
Yes. Francis was a character portrayed by Boogie2988
Yes
Both of them were
Staged or not its still funny as fk
@@maggotation85 YESSS
The 2nd clip is absolutely on-point. As a former L1, I empathize TOTALLY with head judge of the event and his professionalism and restraint.
The second Clip is a old Judge Training Video for handling difficult Situations and present Rulings to Players without creating Anger or confusing.
The fake boogie MTG rage was honestly a mood. That feeling of being over taken by your opponent cause you spent your hand and you cant summon anything is just. Ouch.
I think the second judge did a good job. But I think he should have started with “you are partly correct” because A) a pile shuffle can’t be your LAST shuffle before presenting and B) presenting always means that you have an opportunity to shuffle your opponent’s deck.
A pile shuffle can be your last shuffle. It just can't be your only shuffle. If you shuffled properly before then your deck is already randomized. And I don't see how making piles of random stuff and putting them back together removed the randomness. (unless it was done face up)
So close… at least you tried, lol
@@FirstnameLastname-ok1yz no if you actually listened the 2 judges stated it may only be done 1 per game at the start you can't shuffle then decide to finish with a pile shuffle as the head judge said
I know its all staged, but how a random pile of cards suddenly becomes non-random when its put into piles is the most devoid of logic thing ever.
Actually there are a lot of ways that you can "de-randomize" a deck through a pile shuffle but there are typically indicators that will tell you as much. When shuffling there are ways to peak what's sitting at your splits and players have even gone as far as to "deface" sleeves to know what their next draws are. Something as simple as nail dents on sleeves that would be hard to notice unless you were looking for them and that can be done. When I was playing competitively I've heard that being used multiple times and these people were only caught because of a deck check by the judges during later rounds. There are even multiple ways that you can shuffle a deck to know what's where if you stack the deck in between rounds. It's stupid but when someone thinks money or fame is on the line then that's when dumb shit like that happens.
You can preorder your deck before the pile shuffle. If all you do is pile shuffle you can pile shuffle in such a way as to order your deck in a specific way.
If it was random to begin with, it can't. But if it wasn't random, and you know the order before shuffling, it will still not be random after pile shuffle, that's the point. And if it's already random, there is no need to pile shuffle it. So pile shuffle should never happen to begin with (counting a deck is an exception, but at that point it's hardly a "shuffle").
@@mickbarnes1147 Cool, but that only works if your opponent is an idiot and doesn’t call you out for not presenting the deck.
Doesn’t matter how fancy your shuffles are, present your deck to your opponent and you aren’t stacking your deck anymore.
One of the most useless replies on the internet. And the question was rethorical haha
When i first picked up magic i laughed at francis. 10 years of magic later and i feel for him
4:55 How does pile shuffling a randomized deck remove the randomness? Unless you know which cards are which by marked sleeves, or you saw the card's front face, etc. the cards are still randomized, and the opponent can still shuffle and/or cut the deck which still makes it randomized.
It's a training video. In reality, you are only allowed one pile shuffle at the start of the game because it's time consuming.
The only thing I can think of where pile shuffling makes the deck less random, is when you do it face up to "re-seed" the deck. I have a rather jank deck which is really fun to play, but it does this thing where it sorts the library. So like going from turn 8 or 9 onwards I know exactly what the next 6, 7, 8 cards that I am going to draw are going to be. But this also has the side effect that it piles all the land at the bottom of the library.
With all the lands at a single clump, it becomes a frustrating process to shuffle the deck enough times that the lands are again evenly distributed throughout the deck for the next game. So I do an open pile "shuffle" to "re-seed" the deck to a playable state. After which it needs much less actual shuffling to get it to a randomised state again. Yes it could be done by shuffling the deck normally for 10 minutes. or just take a minute to re-seed and then shuffle a couple of times and be done with it in 2 or 3 minutes.
And even that kind of re-seeding isn't cheating provided you actually shuffle afterwards and allow the opponent to cut/shuffle upon presenting.
There was a big storm about pile shuffling a few years ago. The point is: it doesn't add randomness, it adds a pattern. So if you wanted to you could backtrack the shuffle and the cards would be in the exact starting position as before the pile shuffle.
Simple fix: instead of going a fixed direction from pile to pile, randomize each time. No way anyone will remember in what order the cards were added, let alone do it backwards to "prove it isn't random". Or just mash shuffle the piles together afterwards.
Real reason for pile shuffling to be limited to only once per game is what Nikachu eluded to: it takes too long; 10 seconds of mash shuffling will result in the same (maybe even more) randomness as 2 min of pile shuffling.
nikachu does a great video on this. but its more of mana weaving, not pile shuffling.
also... when im not wrong... the enemie is allowed to shuffle the deck before the game starts, we used this basic "2cards 1mana 2cards 1mana" thing and then shuffle a bit, but there was friends stacking complete decks and hope u didnt shuffle them lol, then we knew exactly we shuffled his deck in the 2-1-2-1 scenario so he just drew spells but none lands, as all 18-22 lands are on last :DD
In all fairness, the first video with Francis, the opponent is not being very hero like. That's very cringe not letting your opponent scoop and with no cards in their hands and no activated abilities to prevent lethal. Also the fact that the "hero" had an x spell in hand for several turns and not killed their opponents is disrespectful.
Never really paid attention to Francis's opponent until this video. He does looked oddly familiar. A splash of fashionable grey on the hair, sharp nose, fair skin... definitely looks like someone who would make funny and witty MTG contents on UA-cam.
It's almost as if it was staged.
Everyone needs that calmness and patience from that judge.
"Maybe he is holding in a big dump" LOL.
All I'm saying, is staged or not, I'd have probably lost my shit too if another player was just screwing with me like in the first clip. Like, if you have the win-con, hit it so that we can shuffle up again or get to our next match. The sad part is that there really are players who will string a game along just so that they can have the biggest swing possible to end it all rather than just end the game as early as possible.
that second guy is an incredible actor if that isn't real, wow
"They aren't so angry in real life"
I mean Boogie fired a loaded gun into the air in a school zone.... Boogie might be more Francis than people give him credit for.
Gotta love the head judge on the second clip. Love his attitude throughout the encounter
Big respect to this judge how calmy and smoothly he handles the situation, also that plot twist where we get to know one of the players is lvl2 judge. Really nice video, love those.
yeah... but it's a training judge video actually so this situation never happened
This is staged. Title is lying to you.
I knew a guy who never quit a game, but he punched himself for every mistake that he made while playing and he punched himself even harder for any succesfull play his opponents made. And I can assure you, he punched himself really really hard, I cannot recall any judge that dared to confront him for that
That guy has issues
After years of my best friend trying to get me to play Magic I finally learned after watching the Francis video in 2012. The video was so hilarious and I had to know wtf was going on in that game.
And now you know exactly what happened in the game 😂
The guy on the left of the second clip “Well technically I’m a level 3 judge and I say that what you two judges say is wrong.”
When a game just makes you angry or sad, maybe its time to take a break and ask you the question, if this game is still worth to be played. I think when a game lets you struggle emotionally in that way, you have to change yourself and your life.
But what is life without game?
that’s how I abandoned Star Craft 2
only to start playing Star Craft: Brood War
@@jeremyphillips3087 True, but maybe a gamer should change to another tcg if the game just makes him unhappy.
The audacity of the guy. Excellent composure from the head judge! And yeah dude was slow rolling and trolling the poor guy just wanting to scoop. Guy just trying to avoid a heart attack! lol
You do know that in the second video, they're all judges and are at a judging event right? They're each playing out scenarios, and having one person play the judge, in order to practice dealing with particular scenarios. The judge playing the Dbag, that guy has some acting skills, cause it's damn near convincing.
@@MakeEmRageQuit I do now lol thanks soo much!
I was once in a Books-a-$$$$ and they allowed kids to plat MTG in the floor in front of the magazine racks because there was a lot of floor space. It was cool to watch them, but one day while this was going on and I was there looking for a magazine, there were 3 kids sitting in the floor playing, when a kid that looked like a kids version of the fat guy in the first clip got mad because the other kid pulled a card on him that I suppose ended the game and the big kid got so mad he flipped the cards all over the floor and started to shout. Immediately I turned and said to the kid. "Hush! It's just a game!" and he started to speak and I again said "It's just a game!" and he turned away and pouted. I don't play MTG but it's fun to watch people who do play, but when they get like theses people, it's not cool.
thank you for showing the whole story of each rage quit. I look forward to more of these insightful videos.
The reason people don’t think pile shuffling is right is because of mana weaving. Skilled cheaters will have there deck in a way when they get to game that they know where the lands are and spells are and will make it so they have a “perfect” draw.
@@capcomkid22 mana weaving is one particular kind of pile shuffling so it's not something outstanding to think, that illegal small one is kinda linked to technically legal big one.
Props to the first video. I want to flip my desk at work so many times and this kid gives me motivation.
Was really relieved to see the second clip was staged. I feel like those types of players becoming the majority of who I meet at FNMs got me to stop playing.
Of course it was staged, lol. Notice how no one else is at the event
Players like in the second guy are one of the reasons why I avoid magic and yugioh tournaments.
" I can guarantee you I can understand better than you do"
These are the EXACT words and i mean EXACT words of someone who does not in fact know better than you at any point in time. When you KNOW you are correct you will let others prove you right. When you THINK you know you are correct you have to prove everyone else wrong
Most out standing Judge I’ve ever seen handle a cocky player with attitude. If a judge acts like that don’t mess with them.
That's exactly why you only go to events to get to know people and usually play kitchen table magic with the cool people.
I had a friend that used to try to make me finish unwinnable games... I know how realistically frustrating this can be... but its hilarious to watch.
Oddly enough, I've learned to like playing out unwinnable games to learn more for future games. I only actually scoop when I've learned everything possible or we need to get a move on.
1st clip was a skit, Francis is a comedian and makes funny content. Doesn't make it less hilarious the iconic table flip lol
I had a match, final round at FNM. The other guy came in early and had a massive card collection he was trading. Everyone was impressed. His deck was a net deck from the latest GP. I was trying to be friendly and talked to him, it was just FNM it's for fun not competition. Towards the end of the game he tells me I'm not allowed to talk, it was rude and I figured he'd be hurt if I focused on the game, I lost game 1. He comes into game 2 and, despite the fact that he told me "You're not allowed to talk" he was bad mouthing me and my deck. He overextends round 2, I wipe and kill him. Game 3, he's going on about how much better his deck is than mine and there's no way I will win this match, I stayed quiet. He's holding back seeing I have the mana for the board wip but I'm dropping just enough where I'll kill him unless he drops. So he drops and starts screaming at me, you have it, don't you. You were lucky and blah blah. I let him rant and show him the wipe then drop my hand, he was in top deck mode. He scoops the cards into a box and runs out, I get him to tell him he needed to pick up his prize. The whole time he's talking anout how there was no way I should have won that game, I pointed out when you net deck a recent winning deck of course people will have solutions.
Everybody needs to stop evolving so I can stay on top forever, just like the great Magic tournament of 1892! Jk idk what I’m talking about, I started playing Magic 2 weeks ago but this is all so fascinating to me. I can’t wait to play with real live people but I hope I don’t meet anyone like that lol sheeesh.
@@roblosh8417 you will.
Aah yes, net deckers. Or as my friend calls them "meta whores"... And then you make 4th in a Legacy event with a bizarro Simic Adapt deck, because it's so far outside of the meta for that setting that most players just have no clue how to deal with it.
What an utter tosser. He's gonna net deck, act like a pompous douche and then when he gets his ass kicked he leaves. All the while, "you're not allowed to talk".
You literally found a gem of a video with Francis 🤣 thanks for the memories lolz
I was thinking the entire time if that were me I’d flip that damn table on this guy. Francis is the anti-hero I needed! 🤣
"so I win, right?" 💀 💀
Can you count Francis? aren't they all staged
Your outro just cracked me up: "Remember kids, you might either be wrong or kicked out and be wrong at the same time"
The aggression in the second one is so well acted.
Excellent analysis, I was kinda lost when I saw Francis flip the table the first time.
In the second clip you can see the fine man at judgingftw just smiling like this will be fun.
As soon as he yelled JUDGE here plz.
I instantly thought *KAREN*
🤣💀
Epic. Staged or not, these are hilarious!
I love how the judges were all having a great time with the training. You can see how they are all laughing throughout.
PLEASE do another one of these! This was one of the most entertaining MTG videos I've seen in my 8 years of playing!
MTG stands for Massive Tantrum Guy
Francis is a youtubers skit character his name is boogie2988
what happened to him anyway, he lost some weight and cheated on his wife or something?
@@jeremyphillips3087 i dont keep up with him a ton but his career kinda went down hill and he is currently on a weight loss journey
@@jeremyphillips3087 from what i remember she was a feeder. Basically kept feeding him coz she liked him fat.
@@NotThatJojjo think it was on the H3 podcast where he talked about it
Francis skit is kind of like when you are getting roped by some salty person in Arena, even though they can resign at anytime.
How would resigning hurt THEM?
The first video was staged as it was a character, and the second video is form a judge training video right?
Right
Plot Twist: Nikachu is trying to make us rage by posting videos of fake raging.
I just loved how both videos are "fake" and you didn't point that out
gotta up that user engagement. there's been a thousand comments about both so nikachu's playing the algorithm
truth be told, I had a disclaimer in the description but no one sees it :P
The Francis game brings back memories about the "good old drunken holiday FNM-s"
Someone tell me that Francis wasn't playing against Nikachu himself haha
"Fuck this game, fuck you!"
"So i win right?"
Winner was oblivious
I watched the first one like 10 time 😂 Seriously Nikachu, be honest, how were you able to watch that without breaking down into laughter every time 😂 holy SHIT
I just edit the laughter out
@@NikachuMTG 😂
Why did I stop playing MTG:
Expensive (cards are cheap material too, endless useless filler cards)
The players
Last FNM game 2, I was playing Merfolk vs. Tron. In both games, I was able to Tide Shaper/Spreading Seas one of their Tron lands on curve and aggro them out to victory. I said "Good Game" after the second game, to which the Tron player responded with "NO!" and then angrily slammed down their hand, revealing an Ugin, the Spirit Dragon.
Like, I'm sorry your deck doesn't have any interaction aside from big mana spells. As a Tron player, you should expect hate in games 2 and 3 and play around it, especially vs. Merfolk/any other deck that wants Spreading Seas. Don't get mad at me for playing the game, and don't be a sore loser at FNM perpetuating the man-child MTG player stereotype.
Nicely put. I have 2 backup plans mainboard to fall back on if I got locked out of my Urza lands. And I ALWAYS expect land destruction when facing anything with red in it.
Being bad is rough
7:20 I'm also a judge here - the two issues in that second video are covered in sections 3.3 (slow play from the excessive shuffling, shouldn't still be shuffling 8 minutes in) and 3.9 (insufficient shuffling, which specifically mentions allowing one pile shuffle for counting purposes) of the IPG even then both are only warnings. The third issue is in section 4.5 (UC - Aggressive Behaviour) and that one's a DQ
You know the Francis clip is clearly staged right? He's playing a character
You read the title of the video, right?
@@jamesahibbard and read to description too I bet!
@@jamesahibbard ah I didn't see that. haha
Nikachu... fess up! That's you playing against Francis! That's a younger you! HAHA
My origin story.
I can sometimes not understand why or how a combination works and I was a judge at one point in time. Everyone can be make mistakes but if you make a mistake in a tournament as a judge you can also allow someone to win who wouldn't have before. That said there are many times when you should not trust your own judgment in a tournament and that is typically when you are a player and especially when you are making a decision about something that is in your favor or when you are making a decision that can change a potential loss into a win. For example if you had a card that allows you to look at your opponents hand and make them discard a card that you choose and its not in English or the correct language for where you are playing you must have a good and accurate translation of the card. Especially if you're in a paid tournament. The event I'm talking about happened when I was in high school and there was not a easy way to validate the translation of any card or anything else like that. At this point in time discard decks were huge and especially when they allow you to target any or most of the cards that were in the opponents hand. Well I was facing an opponent who had a decent discard deck and I was playing my only deck that I thought had a chance in the tournament and I won all three games against that person. But they were using lots of cards that were not in English and most of them the player said did one of two things either your opponent would discard a card that you choose or discard a large number of cards something like three or more and all of this for a single black mana.I knew that something was wrong with this and I was right about that the shop owner was in the habit of fleecing young card players who didn't know any better. He would have the same one person always show up with cards that were never in English and they were not used combination to win and him and the shop owner would split up the money. My friends and I were very pissed about this because we had spent a large amount of money with the store However that weekend he only had us and the non--English card user who was simply there to help him basically steal money from kids. The cards that the person was using that don't exist all cost one mana to play and they allow you to make your opponent discard anywhere from one to four cards at instant speed and then with the cards that discard one and two cards you can choose which cards are discarded and there are no cards that allow you to do That.
Isn’t that the same guy who says, “did you drink my Mountain Dew?” “Let me smell your breath?” 🤣🤣🤣
These are staged videos to teach judges my guy. Not real tilters
lol, not the first one m guy
@@jeremyphillips3087 Yes, that is boogie. He's playing an angry character in a skit. Look it up buddy ;)
Just to think mike goes from flipping tables In hilarious Francis skits to pulling a gun on someone at his house.
Yoda "The Lisp is strong with this one"
I love the actors for this video, Kudos.
“I really don’t know what your deck is capable of”
Omg I use that line SO much.
in the first game after the dude flipped the table the opponent said "so I win right?" that got me laughing so hard
"And i topdeck a fuking land"
Basically the reason why i dont play games where you need to draw your mana
My friends and I still always shout jokingly “great, another fucking land” all the time 😂
That's 14 of 17!
Oh my gosh😂 Francis' speech impediment made it so much better for some reason. Gold star.
The second video actually does seem like a good example of judge training
The second part of this video is why I'm glad I quit being a judge for this game. I'm also glad that there's no more judges at all at events.
*observes the wreckage of table flip*
"So I win, right?"
L M A O ! ! !
Very nice - No.1 = "physically favourite" - No.2 = "psychological favourite" - especially the Judge in the second one was very nice ^^ - I would like to see more of "that kind of action" which happened in the second example ^^
PS.: excuse my bad english :)
If I was Francis my response would be "what are you going to do, stop me from scooping?"
The guy sitting in the background is an amazing judge. Always really kind and poignant.
3:29 "...so I win, right?" 😂😂
That rage table flip is the most exercise that guy has done in decades
I can’t believe you explained the Francis video without cracking up.
I really wanted to see that second guys face when the rule is read out to him.
But, I do have a feeling that it would be like "everyone makes mistakes" right after he went "I will rub it in your nose", because only his mistakes can be forgiven.
I can imagine how much of a pain he would be in a tabletop roleplaying game. The one thing worse than I rules lawyer is a rules lawyer who's incorrect.
"What do you want me to do? Block with the fucking dice!"
Both of these are training videos. I’ve seen them both at conferences. First is to demonstrate USC, the second is to demonstrate stalling (when the pile shuffling rules changed) and also USC. And that judge in the second video is my friend Lyle. All the people in the second video are judges.
Accurate.
"Maybe he's holding in a big dump" me almost every match
4:30 Dude I love how calm and friendly the judge is.
The bouncing is killing me 😂. Almost looks fun till you realize he’s squeezing his heart every time.
Well Mr. Devil's Play appreciates all that free cards 'given' to him by the ragequitter
Poor Francis, I am afraid to see him in that state of tension and irritation since I fear that he will have a heart attack or something similar with the obesity that he has. The truth is that Francis's opponent could have finished him in the previous turn, and in the next he does things quite slowly... he almost seems to want to make Francis suffer who is obviously struggling to handle this frustrating situation. Seeing as things were, I in the place of Francis's opponent would have stopped the nonsense and would have ended the duel. I think Francis's reaction was in large part because he felt his opponent was lengthening the situation by enjoying having Francis like this.
The second clip is actually from my local game store! So cool to see them here, I had no idea this existed