FORGOTTEN 1952 Packard will it RUN AND DRIVE? (straight 8!)
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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2022
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A vintage hard to find 1952 Packard 200, with a straight 8, manual transmission with overdrive, and only 75k miles! let's get this sleeping giant fired up, and go for a cruise!
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I don’t even mind that you’re bringing the rigs to your spot first to work on em. It would be nice to see those big harrowing road trips every once in a while, but a feller understands the need to diversify and spend your time on family and the greater career. I may have came for the revivals a while back but I stayed for who you are Derek, we love you and I will watch whatever you wanna do. I don’t say this because I’ve seen any specific complaints but you mentioned people asking for more revivals. Keep doing you brother, you’re an inspiration.
This ^
ya i really miss the old vids out in the dirt and such. too much like a tv show now. its so so.
I found VGG during Covid when there weren’t any car shows going on starting with that white Cadillac. Needless to say, I’ve been hooked ever since! Whether you are working on these old rides in your shop or going out to the place you find them and drive them back, keep doing what you are doing! I look forward to each episode
He is definitely the man with a plan!!!
Been a VGG fan since the beginning
The Packard deserves to be restored. I’d pass on the Cordoba.
nickname it steely phil
Couldn’t agree more👍
Hard pass
The Packard? Solid, and it should be fixed up!
That Cordoba?
Eehh... Not so much. You've got to know when to throw in the towel. . . Too much ground sinkage and possible surprises.
I see the Packard doce like kinds an old ratrod. Primered gray with a white top and that old motor purring. Chrome spray paint the wheel and have white wall tires. Would be a choice ride. I know I'm late to this party but wanted to express how cool it could be
Sir:
I’m an 82 yr old Viet Nam vet. I have been wrenching since I was 16 I enjoy your program and it brings back a lot of really good memories.
Thanks
I don't see people commenting on how Derek loves to do all these charities just as much as he does wrenching on cars. Genuine car guy. Thanks for what you do.
it is just for internet clout. Go back and watch his original videos before he turned into this. Totally different person. He even used to swear and drink, but then he turned "family friendly". I liked the beer drinking, doing burnouts and donuts vice grip much much more.
Derek has always rarely swore, he still drinks, and does burnouts. He just has more hair and more waist now, that’s all. 🤷🏻♂️
@@vincedibona4687 I don't know the early episodes just hit differently
This video saved my life. Literally. My buddy wanted me to go for a cruise and I decided against going bc I needed to watch the video. He was t-boned by someone in a dump truck on passenger side. Nobody would have survived in that seat. My seat. Thanks Derek...truly love the channel. Btw, friend is ok...at hospital w broken leg and concussion. Thanks again
WOW! Lucky you! :)
Wow talk about sliding doors moments. It really makes you stop and think why and what if .
why do you lie unprovoked?
Sorry to hear about your frend. Bummer deal. A fellar generally feels you could have caused a butterfly effect to where the time it took for you to be with him would have put his car at that location at a totally different time. You being with him would have caused a ripple in the timeline.
Nope, probably not.
@@rogermoore5210 I see your point and think you're probably right. Who knows? Maybe he would have stopped to take a leak first, or tied his shoe, or got some water to take with him. Anything, even 5 seconds would have changed the time line. 😎🤘
It's a three speed with overdrive, that canister with the unhooked wires is the governor for the overdrive, there should also be a solenoid mounted on the other side and then you should also have a relay mounted on the firewall and a switch mounted under the gas pedal. Ford used the same setup throughout the 50's and 60's. You can bypass all of that with just a toggle switch mounted somewhere easily accessible, like on the shifter. If you do that it gives you first second and third, and then use the switch in each gear and it'll turn it into a 6 speed. The cable should be ran to a handle under the dash.
That’s a lot of words for a guy to read
That's the words of a wise man. A jimmy rigger if ive ever seen one. Me n my pop do a lot of this kinda stuff 😂 I hear ya there I do rammit, this is ol wild man on that number three fiddy one down in the smokey hills, moonshine country gettin on Down 😂😂😂
I had a 1951 Ford Victoria with the overdrive setup you mentioned when I was 18, many years ago. I thought it was pretty cool. Slam on the gas and the overdrive kicked in and that flathead would roar.
The first family car I remember as a little kid growing up was our 1960 Ford Fairlane 500 with a 292 V8 and a 3 speed column shift with overdrive. I ended up learning to run a manual transmission on this car when I was 16, and she became my first car. You ran through the gears until at freeway speed, then backed off the gas for a second and she shifted into OD automatically. When you wanted to accelerate at freeway speed, step on the gas and she shifted out of OD into 3rd with a kickdown switch mounted on the firewall that got tripped by the throttle linkage. The OD was a separate unit bolted on to the back of the 3 speed manual transmission.
"There's a few things that don't lie: kids, yoga pants, and headliners..." Honestly Derek you are GOLD coming up with stuff like this 😀
I had to listen to that a couple of times to get it. Hilarious!
You dislike joga pants on a nice girl in private? Gay to me
@@KingCrimson82 Well I would definitely dislike them on a man in private -- or in public, for that matter
Hate to tell a fella, but Derek didn’t make that up. He added “headliners” to a pre-existing joke. It’s a good’un, for sure, but it already had teeth.
I hear it is currently illegal to just tear out the clabby old headliner in those old cars, but my sources are sometimes wrong.
I would love to have that old Packard, I AM 51 years old ,and my dream is to meet you and work on some of those old cars and trucks with you. I LOVE YOUR channel. I have been a back yard mechanic all my life. I am from Athens, Ohio your channels are the greatest. GOD BLESS TO YOU ALL, and keep up the amazing work you do.
I just want to thank you for producing such an entertaining channel. My twin brother Kent has stage 4 lung cancer and is in home hospice. When he is awake, he gets out of bed to watch Vice Grip Garage, which keeps him engaged for hours! What a blessing VGG has been to us. Thank you again. Kat in Cody, Wyoming. PS: my husband has a 55 Cadillac, but it runs and is all stock except for the battery and tires. 😆
Battery and tires I consider parts that don't need to be stock, I view them as consumables. Loved the old Cadillacs
Your Cadillac sounds great! We have the 51, 57 and 58. Nothing quite like driving a Cadillac
When you showed the battery and said “It’s 6v” I thought! “ Nope. 8v. 4 cells at 2v per cell.” Common trick on old farm tractors too. The old generators just didn’t put out much juice. 8v battery on a 6v system was a little extra insurance so you could still crank her over on a chilly morning.
One of old Olivers had the eight volt system. Never did charge up very well. We bought it used that way, so I always assumed it came that way from the factory.
The 8v was a good cheat provided you had a generator that would crank out the power. The old Ford 8N tractors came with an adjustable regulator. Crank it to max and it would charge the battery all day long. You didn't have to change the electrical system out to accept the change either.
The cool trick a Massey Ferguson pulled on me was the 8 volt with the positive ground.
I was wondering about that as well. 4 cells had to equal 8 volts in my brain. But I'd never heard of an 8 volt bat tree in my nearly 7 decades of life. Learn something new all the time.
@@mfranzusan3014 At the end of the Magneto era all of your 6 and 12 volt generators had adjustable regulators. You hooked the meeters up to them and adjusted the voltage. But you had to be careful when you adjusted the amps you had to run the engine through all the RPM range to find that sweet spot for the amps otherwise the generator would whine like crazy. You're right though if you got that Regulator set it would charge all day long. Your best bet was to stick with the 6-volt battery for the 6 V system 12-volt for 12 volt system. Like Yenerator Yohn Neprude used to tell us, "the only way you're going to get more yuice out of that battery is if you tip it upside down and pour it out"!!! but if you wanted more cranking power you hook two batteries in parallel and on the cold days it didn't hurt to have a little heating pad under the battery and a dipstick heater for the oil, plugged into your 32-volt windcharger.
Hi Derek. Well, watching you do what you do, if I am being honest, has always been very entertaining and educational. But in this episode, you went to town, and I mean you really went to town in this episode when you played "Piscataquis Blues" in the background while driving the Packard and showing us the road exactly how you see it. Man, you are awesome!!! Thank you, Sir, and please never stop doing what you are doing cause you are very good at it!!!!
I noticed the 8 volt battery! (4 vent caps) that was a way to make engine spin faster for those cold mornings. The voltage regulator could be tweaked for a 9 or 10 volt out put... so cool!
It's a little tough on light bulbs, they don't last as long but they will be brighter.
Is it just me or is the sound delayed like 2 seconds. Noticed it when he was talking about the glass and going through the trunk.
You’re not crazy it is delayed, makes it hard for me to watch. A guy really does like VGG.
Same problem
@@timgranata3016 I realized bit was more like 3-4 seconds!!
😅 I actually thought it was something going on with my net connection or hardware. Glad to see I'm not crazy.
@@nickr1641 oh yea VGG is the man. My favorite UA-cam channel by far. He is on fire 🔥
Hot diggin dad-gummit, i love how Derek loves and admires something that old, being that tough and brute like the people of the era. This video was absolutely incredible.
Ahh dude how cool thanks for takin the time Derek! Any chance you could shout out my grandfather on a video? He is a former vette owner 58' C1 convertible/65' 327 coupe 4 speed ive been told. Greatest roughest toughest summagun alive today, but is getting up there in years. As a kid I promised him id buy a blue vette for us before the universe calls him... breaks my heart that im nowhere near vette money... would be cool to show him another one of your vids but with us in it!
I 100% agree this is some of the best content on utube
This Packard is one mighty fine looking rig. Car designers really knew how to make beautiful cars back in the day. So glad you have one on the channel Derek.
Dad purchased a new gray 1952 Packard in East Texas. It was a large heavy car and with a straight eight! Dad always griped about the gas mileage; gas was 17 to 18 cents a gallon in those days. It was a automatic and shifted smoothly! No air conditioner, but had a radio! Lots of room inside for us kids to sleep as I remember. Lots of memories coming and going in the big heavy Packard!
One of these days I wouldn’t mind seeing you knockout a full *budget* resto on one of these rigs. Body, Motor, Frame even Interior. Stretch it out over a few episodes. Be something to look forward too.
Independence! DEFINITELY!
The only problem with that is restoration parts. I tried to do that with an 85 Suburban and I gave up after spending boo koo bucks only to receive complete junk parts. LMC? Yeah no. Their stuff is junk.
@@TempoDrift1480
That’s only a problem if you are restoring it back to original.
I’m saying just give everything some attention and if there’s something missing just use what you got really.
Even if it’s like a wire mesh grill or something. But Vice Grip’s got plenty of trucks and cars sitting in the tree row.
I deeply appreciate Derek setting up a camera and talking to himself as if we're right next to him.
Love the part with the kitty
The best thing about the Cordoba was the super deluxe patterned seats, which we got to see through the magicalness of UA-cam. Best to leave the rest of it to the elements. The Packard runs like a champ though. 👍
That Packard is a keeper. Any vehicle that starts that easy is a rare find.
I mean it is modeled after a g.m.
@getchasome6230 We won’t hold that against it though. 🤣
I'm usually of the mindset of if it came with a carb, keep the carb. That stays in the spirit of the car. But on this one, I'd be really fascinated to see what kind of Sniper or similar would work for this rig. If it puts the car back on the road instead of rotting, I'm a fan!
Agreed, would be an interesting setup with a Holley system
Could you imagine a turbo LS with a sniper on this unit
@@Vaporisers No. Not even funny for an old car guy!
GTOger, good to see your still out there!
Taking a break from the parking lot videos?
Agreed. Would be interested in seeing EFI. A clean up and rust repair. That's a great family unit
I saw packard and straight 8 and clicked on it immediately! Two of my favorite things 👍👍
@ViceGripGarage I know I'm late to the party but, a feller's still playing catch-up and another fella sure does pump out a LOT of content! I was literally thinking just a moment before you said it but, there's nothing before or since in the automotive world more beautiful and sexy than the vehicles from the 30s, 40s & 50s! Nothing can ever come close!
Oooooh, Borg Warner 3 speed manual with overdrive! At 32:44, that's the electric solenoid that engages the overdrive. The cable you see is to lock the transmission out of overdrive so it operates as a standard 3 speed. There's a sun and planet gear set inside the tail shaft that provides the overdrive.
I've got a Chevy version of that transmission in my 63 C10
wonder if that's the unit in my 56 IntL S100...
@@landontesar3070 Could be. Borg Warner put them in every manufacturer's vehicle they could. They came up with the idea in the late 40s and one of the designers of the transmissions later worked for Studebaker. He advocated heavily for that transmission there, so a lot of the Studebakers from the early 50s have those transmissions. Ford, Mercury, Lincoln, Chevy, Jeep, Packard, Studebaker, etc. used their versions of them.
It's a standard, 3 speed case for the front, but the tail shaft contained the sun and planetary gear set. There's a mid-plate where the solenoid goes in and there's a governor on the other side of the tail shaft. I've only worked on the Chevy units, and they are all 12 volt, but the early ones were 6 volt. The 6 volt digical stuff don't play nice with 12 volt stuff.
To test if the solenoid works, ground the case and then put the positive on one of the two wires or bolts coming off the side. Only one of the wires will make the solenoid engage. The other wire is used when the kickdown switch pulls the transmission out of overdrive
@@christiancarpenter6791 Christian, thanks for that, I will add it to my notes.
I had an old Volvo wagon (145) that had an OD transmission. The gearbox itself was a Borg-Warner so the OD (which was basically bolt-on) probably was, too. Made a huge difference at highway speed. Highly recommend as a modification.
That solenoid with the "severed off wiring" is the overdrive solenoid. Probably a Borg Warner unit. Was really popular from the 40's into the 60's.
I had the same thought. My '65 MGB has overdrive with a solenoid. The wiring is the tip off. Get the carb working right, hook up the OD, and what a cruising machine!
That's a 4-5 body trunk
Had a 63-1/2 galaxie Police Interceptor. 390HP, 3 on the tree with OD. At 70mph, lift off accelerator and push to floor to engage. Pretty fun car!!
It makes my heart happy to see you giving these vehicles another chance. I am overjoyed to hear these vehicles run after having sat. That Packard was a real pleasure to hear purring like your black cat. I'm excited to see the restoration on it. I hope you don't do too much on the body, that patina and the little dings and dents just add character to the ol' girl. I personally think they want way too much for that Cordoba. Consider getting in good standing with a couple of salvage yards. You'd be surprised what comes in and how many still run! They'd be a lot cheaper as well. Love watching you, you have me laughing all the way. What is it with guys touching hot things... more than once! 😂 Yes, you're not the only one that does it. Stay safe and GOD bless
There is nothing like going back 50 or 60 or more years and finding these old rides. I remember one of the lines in Packard ads in the magazines of the day "Ask The Man That Owns One". Although they were rather "dinosaur-ish", they definitely were very well made and assembled.
That car has a lot of soul in her. You could just tell how happy she was to go for a ride, regardless of her condition. Take care of her! She deserves it!
Great episode!! I enjoyed the revival of this Packard!! Cordoba is a thumbs way down!! $1500?!!! That feller should've let you sample what he stuffs in his pipe!! The Packard is freaking awesome!! Thanks for doing what you do Derek!!
Correct me if I"m wrong, but each cell of a lead/acid battery is 2 volts so a 3 cell battery would be 6 volts and a 12 volt battery would have 6 cells. Now the battery in this Packard has 4 cells which would make it an 8 volt battery which was a common thing to do on some of these 6 volt systems that had too much electrical demand. They would use an 8 volt battery to compensate and it would not hurt the light bulbs or any of the other accessories.
Not rare with 6volt tractors either.
OMG! I just watched this video from a few months ago! Was that a vintage tablecloth in the trunk?? I drooled at the thought of it! I collect them!
Keep up the great videos. We (88yr father & husband too) really enjoy them all!
ha ha . people collect the darndest things . if i had that packard i would make it my main drive . no computers
The farther we get along in the years, the more I want for full restos on these old 50s cars, especially higher end cars like this old Packard. Also, the Packard Plant is one of the largest old plants still standing of the defunct manufacturers in the Detroit area....i dont know...would just be cool to see it as it was...
EDIT: now after seeing the entire video and how easily it started and ran, DEFINITELY needs to be saved on to the highest degree. You have a fantastic gem there, find and original or close to original carb, clean the car well, patch up the floors, get the leaks that can be gotten easily, coat the frame in some Por 15, and paint it.
YES!!! Patina craze has become just that.. too crazy... it seems no one has any interest in building cars with nice paint anymore
I just want to see a full on 59 El Comino restoration, by Derek. The 1960 was close, but the 59 is the sexiest car ever built...
@@Patrick_Cooper 59 best year
POR15 requires meticulous prep work if you want it to last a lifetime, like frame off sandblasting
please walk around the packard plant ,do a vidio and show us what it looks like today . then send to derek
I'd love to see a few more episodes on the Packard, maybe some semi decent repairs on those sills and rear quarter panels. She's a keeper alright!
Second this!
And maybe give it some lights and gauges
Yes she is a great find...
I third this!! Give her some loving!!
That is a great example of America at its best , built to last & just great style , that still looks cool after all this time & built with so much better quality parts and labor that was done with the heart & soul that Americans are famous for! That's why it still runs like a champ ! Sure would like to see you go through it good & proper , like it deserves !
We have a beautiful country, thank God. Been a while since I was down south in your neck of the woods. It's still just so marvelous. Thanks for the look around and the nice video!
My mom's dad, Grandpa Paul, was an "Engineer" at Packard in Detroit, and I was born in 1952, so this is very significant to me. Super video and great job bringing this beast back to life. KUDOS.
Damn your old, turning 70yrs old,. jus fuckin wit u. I just turned 69 and right behind you. I love those 50s models, my last one was a 48 Plymouth with the six cylinder three speed tranny
It’s significant to me to. My mother was a descendent of the Packard brothers. What worries me is, this guy “Vicegrip” does a good job reviving old vehicles, then abuses them. To me it’s like someone kicking an old dog.
@@newenglandpats59 its like desecration of the dead who can no longer protect themselves.
Tell me they didn't build things to last back then!!! They can keep some of their new modern Marvels especially some of the autos!!!
@@newenglandpats59 I can understand your viewpoint, but I feel it's not so much abusing them as, he needs to do a full system revival on them anyways, including pulling the engine. You really don't get many chances to start and drive a car that's been sitting for years, so if I were in his position, I would do that 50 mile road trip as well. If you haven't yet viewed the rest of his channel, he does more insane things than this. He usually buys a car hundreds of miles from home that need revival, and drive them home. He once did this with a corvette, and the same week entered a drift event with it. The engine started on fire twice during the event. It was awesome.
“Not the good bacon, settle down there Fred” had me rolling. Absolutely adore this channel, God Bless you Derek.
I heard baking? As in smoking
Stg lmao
I’m Fred and love bacon. I had to back up the video to verify I wasn’t hearing “friend”. Nope. He was talkin to me.
The last remnants of the Packard motor company not sits abandoned and is being disassembled off of Grand Blvd. In my hometown...
Detroit.
It was bought by a business man 10 years ago, and he told the city rhat he would have his office inside the Packard Motor Company assembled and being used by the beginning of 2003. Fast forward 10 years and here we sit!
Earlier this year the 36th distric court ruled against the gentleman, who went against all his words, and let the site fall further into decay, and did absolutely nothing on the property. The last time any of that property was used was about 10 years ago by a small machine shop, which is no more.
My parents bought a new 1952 Packard 4-door, auto trans, when I was 16 so I got to drive it. I remember that when driving a city speeds, if I'd turn the steering wheel sharply in one direction and then release it, it would rotate back and forth in increasing amounts, such that I had to stop it by grabbing the steering wheel. Fun, but not stable at all.
Incredible how this rig runs after so so many years, like just fires up as if was last left yesterday. You gotta keep her, she’s got so much soul left in her and way too early for retirement. Thanks for sharing, really enjoyed watching!
Of all the great rigs I've seen you bring back to life , this one takes the cake. I hope to see you bring her all the way back! Then take her to town! What a great car!
Cadillacs used to be a Packard wannabe. Yes, get her going well!
17:14!!!! The facial expression had me absolutely howling!!!!! Great Video and nice to see you helping the less fortunate.
My first car was a 1955 Packard Patrician. The ar had a 352 cu in V8. It had been setting for years and it took a year to make it roadworthy. Cool car, but I didn't realize that at the time.
“Fellers, there are a few thing in this world that don’t lie.. kids, yoga pants, headliners.”
Preach Brother Derek.
🙌🏼🤣
Priceless wisdom, Derek.
Well I’ll be D I P P E D ! ! True stuff right there
If any 6v wiring is in good order converting from 6v to 12v you don't need to upgrade the wiring.
Current flow at 12v is half what it is at 6v - being the key advantage of 12v over 6 volt. This means the wiring only needs to carry half the current saving on copper.
6v wiring by necessity needs to be superior to 12v wiring since it flows double the current for the same work on any circuit.
To show the relationship of current vs work for different voltages, in the example below we'll take a 1kw electric motor (say a starter) powered by three different voltages.
1kw or 1000w divide by 6v = ~166a.
1kw or 1000w divide by 12v = ~83a.
1kw or 1000w divide by 24v = ~41a.
In short it is wasteful of resources (money) to use 200a wiring on a 24 volt starting system but it is absolutely imperative to use 200a wiring on a 6 volt system if driving a kilowatt load on a starter circuit.
There are other issues such as a 10% voltage drop at 6v is more problematic than a 10% voltage drop at 24v.
Of course if your 6v wiring harness is shot you'll still need to replace it whether or not you keep it a 6v system. I would ague it's more important to upgrade the harness if you keep it 6 volt.
Absolutely correct. Upgrade to 12V is not a "wire" problem. Components such as light bulbs need to be changed, charging whirler, etc. Gauges need adapters (voltage reducer) etc. The wire itself is fine, in fact... better, thicker able to handle more current (double).
It's not the current or load it's the voltage and capacity that make a big concern. A 6v shorts not gonna make half the heat a 12 volt will because the 6v will drain to fast. 12v not only doubles the heat it doubles the amount held meaning a short can be twice as hot and last longer meaning more chance of fires yes brand new 6v wiring could handle 12v but in a 70 year old car it's not new by anymeans a fellers been in there more time then grandma's made cookies at this point best to redo it if your really antsy on a 12v system but as mentioned in other comments and on this video a 8v battery is a good upgrade with 1/3 the risk of a 12v I get the point as 6v becomes harder to find but if your replacing every light most electrics anyways just do the wiring it'll add 5 to 10 minutes to every odd little job but in the end you won't be that guy watching a rig burn on the side of i70 that you just dumped savings into. Jessica still needs windows fellers (for any old watchers)
Either way this is good information for anyone questioning what to do, and what to use. putting the equations out there really shows people what a difference voltage makes, the biggest advantage about 24v is higher voltage less loss. you don't need 0 gage wire for most things anymore. It's getting to the point where a 48v system is gonna want to come out, just wait ik what you thinking that's alot but they thought 6-8 was alot in the day. The question with it is will it run a combustion engine or is that an easier solution for electrification the biggest problem I see with electric cars is the in efficiency of electric brakes, e power steering, e water pump for batteries and motors, all the fans and radio and all that just draws from a supply range will never be as stable as a tank of gas is. With roads and life how they are were going to have to make what we have more efficient to make daily life life same in an electric car. the reason we use transformers and high voltage is because that's the besy way to be efficient when moving current
Yes! Just need to replace the fuses ( if there is any) to smaller ones
About ten years ago I passed on a 53 Packard with a straight 8 327 in it. It was a beautiful big engine that said THUNDERBOLT cast into the top of the engine. A feller ain't sure he shouldn't aughta passed on that.
30's, 40's and early 50's cars are my favorite, the designs were the most evocative and I enjoy Art Deco lol.
That 8 is worth everything! Packard made RR engines in WW-2 , Machining and tolerances were the best! It is critical you keep that I-8! nice video!
The Packard-Merlin was the engine that made the P-51 the greatest fighter aircraft in WW2!
But wires are limited by amperage, not by voltage so for one thing, any overloaded circuit should still blow the fuse before burning the wire, and also burn out the bulb, both with minimal fire hazard or cost, and as long as you replace the burnt bulbs with 12 volt bulbs of similar wattage, or even amperage, the wires should be fine. motors like heater fan and windshield wipers might be a bigger problem, but should still blow the fuse before damaging anything else and the only danger comes with the temptation to replace the fuse with a higher amperage fuse, which is a no no.
Packard also made engines for marine use such as PT boats etc. They also found their way into a number of other marine applications as well.
Yes, True, the only one MFG, RR wanted to work with was Packard, Sidenote: Brits may disagree, but the Packard Merlin was better then the RR Merlin, Somthing with the Zinc alloy at altitude, resisted moisture & prevented this from rust and sticking. (Also a sliding float) Germans who examined downed or captured planes, thought it was an American defect in the build process, in fact it was somthing they coudnt figure out.. Packard's built to last..
Packard also built the stainless steel diesel used in certain minesweepers.
"Packard Motor Company actually had a history with diesel engines.
After World War II they developed a family of turbocharged diesel engines and one model powered a class of minesweepers, of which nine were still operational in 1981. The engines were non-magnetic, being built mostly of aluminum, stainless steel, copper, and brass. There was a V-8, model 1D-850, of which only eight were built. Their 600 hp., V-12, model 1D-1700, was by far the most popular model, with 451 built. Four of these engines went into each of the approximately 100 minesweepers built. This family of engines was produced between 1952 and 1956."
100% agree with you. The 40s/50s cars had the best styling.
Also crazy cool how the engine fired right up and idled as if it was started yesterday, not 25 years ago.
I've always had a soft spot for Packards and dreamed of owning one. I love the Thunderbolt Inline 8, such a cool engine and sounds great. I can't wait to see what you do with this car in the future. Hopin you decide to go down the restoration path, probably gonna be tough but this rig deserves another shot at life. (I really want to see this car clean and Cruisin down the road)
Beautiful car!! That unhooked solenoid is part of the overdrive. This car deserves a full restoration!! I had a friend who was given a Kaiser sedan years ago. What a wonderful car that was too.
For all of you younger guys, you don't want to leave the ignition key on a point-type ignition unless you are starting the car. When you do leave the ignition key on you will get full battery voltage continuously (unless the points happen to be in the open position) on the coil and overheat it. The points also can get overheated by doing this. That is why the coil was so hot when he touched it.
Thanks. I didn't know
it can also blow up
My Granddad worked for Packard - when the plant closed, he was given a voucher for a free car - he gave his son, my Dad a Patrician which was probably one of the signature models. He talked about it a LOT. The 327 is easy to spot because the casting on the head says "Thunderbolt" across it. That's a pretty sweet car you got there.
Nothing better than a heavy metal car real steel...and built to last👍
I gotta find a Packard like this. I would have it clear-coated and keep the patina look. You got an amazing bathtub Packard.
Just stumbled across your channel and saw this video. I have a 1953 Packard Patrician that was my late grandfathers that I plan to restore. It’s been sitting for about 10 years. All the parts on on the car but one piece of trim that’s in the trunk. Glad to see you got this one to run!
Derek!! My Grandfather had one of these!
Really unusual because we live in the UK!
He was the talk of the town back in the day, he and his mates cruising around in a Packard straight 8 haha.
Really excited to watch this one.
Those 40 and 50's cars had so much more style than anything today. Love the fact that you are saving the ones you can.
Move to Cuba 👍
Cars in this condition and from this era were my sole mode of transport in High Sc hook. I love the channel!
Back in 75 my cousins boyfriend had 52 Packard Hearst that he got from his grandfather. They used to haul their band equipment around.It had the straight 8 ,327 cu in motor,with 4 speed on the colum.It had 17 " truck tires on it a hole in the grill for a handcrank.What beast . The motor purred.Smooth as a sewing machine.Used a lot gas. I remember how high you had to step to get in it.
I’ve never seen a sniper on a straight eight. Would be interesting to see how that changes the drivability. It would be cool to see her brought all the way back around. The shiny bits and all.
I don’t know why, but my prevailing thought when I watched this episode: Your old man would be very proud of you. Great episode Derek.
A really neat car. I had a 1950 Studebaker pickup in the late 1970s and early 1980’s, and was amazed at how many parts from other manufacturers of that time period, would work on my truck. The Packards were really great well engineered vehicles. I think you will enjoy having it.
That thing sounds amazing! Not even a shake. Love it.
That Packard has to be restored. She is amazing and this engine.... runs so smooth, its unbelievable ... Also , love your choice of music, on ALL your videos. Fantastic job, must be exhausting at times.. Thank you for sharing.
I was thinking the same thing on the time lapse of the drive. I play guitar and a buddy of mine plays slide guitar and pedal steel. I’m going to see if he wants to learn it with me!
On "will it run" videos, folks are quick to say, "You must restore it!!" But they never offer to pay for it.
This particular Packard isn't worth anything unfortunately. A restoration would cost six times what it's worth when done.
@@jeffrykopis5468 you do realize just filming it pays for the entire car, restoration, and all his other expenses too, right?
@@bmxscape I doubt he makes THAT much on a few videos. Besides, who is gonna do the work? He's WAAAY too busy to do a full resto on one car, and this ain't that kind of channel anyhow. I like the way he gets them as good as he can, in a short amount of time, without breaking the bank. Let the next owner restore it, if he wants to.
Please keep the straight eight! Their sound is so unique and they're so rare nowadays
I don’t think it’s going anywhere. That’s half of the charm of the car for him. It’s the fuel system that needs to be sorted.
Yep. The straight 8's were pretty cool.
@@erikj.2066 Yes, and there are many choices, original carbs are easy to find or one of the many other options listed here
@@brianwilcox3478 I think he's making a decent decision trying out a sniper kit on it. It will be a unique marriage, but it really shows how far aftermarket EFI systems have come.
Pass on the Chrysler and do the edelbrock.
Love that old Packard. Would it be worth a full restoration? I think you got a great deal on that, seeing how it started and ran so smoothly.
Packard nice car, and you trusted it to go on that journey, very good video
Glad to see you got the Packard up and running. It seems like she wanted to run, which also helps.
Even though I'm a Mopar guy, I think I'd pass on the Banana-doba, and put the money towards restoring the Packard, because she deserves it.
If you watch when it was being brought into the garage you can see that it was coming in under its own power, the tow strap was dragging under the car while it was supposedly being towed in. Then had the nerve to claim it never run in x amounjt of years. I had been a loyal subscriber and purchased many of the products that he advertises until I saw that. I hate being lied to
@@markolsen7438 Went back and looked to see if maybe there was a 3rd strap somewhere, however nope.
I have to say its a shame if he was bs'ing for clicks.
@@boots7859 I have to wonder how many other cars ran before he started filming. I unsubscribed and stopped purchasing the products advertised on this channel
@@markolsen7438 Pretty sure it's just gravity. The Packard is rolling down a hill.
@@SaintNyx I doubt that very much
Came for Derek. Stayed for the car. Liked for the black kitty
This brings back memories for Me as My Uncle & Cousin used to have nothing but Packard's before they ended production.
Back in 1972 I was driving wrecker and a gentleman stopped by and offered a free non-running that had been setting for 5 years car for removing it and it was only 3 miles from our lot so when I went to get it I found a 1957 pink and white Packard with absolutely no rust or dents and all the chrome intact decent tires all wheel covers perfect, I towed it to the shop cleaned the points put a battery out of a wrecked car in it poured a little gas in the fuel carburetor it started and idled, everything worked except the transmission was bad. It even bad self leveling air ride that worked. It had to many doors for my taste so I sold it about a month later for $500
I heard a story from one of those Reno Air racers, who raced a modified P-51 Mustang early mid 60's, his bearing plate to the clutch wore out on his plane, and Packard no longer in existence, he had a hard time finding a replacement, someone suggested sending the plate for the clutch mechanism to England to Rolls-Royce and see if they could make a copy or possibly have a new old stock part or even machine a new one, since the Merlins where almost interchangeable .He was prepared to pay whatever was necessary. About a month later he received a Box, inside the box was the part he needed and a letter from the chairman of Rolls-Royce, it said Packard and Rolls-Royce we're held to a standard above all other manufacturers. We have a lifetime warranty on all such parts. Since we are reputable company and hold to this high standard, we were able to locate the part you requested and there will be no charge. Good luck
Boy, that's one in ten million
Rolls-Royce FTW!
It's true that Packard made Rolls Royce Merlin's were made to far higher tolerances than those made in Britain. That's why the US made Merlin's were less reliable and developed less power than the UK ones. Packard had to use better tolerances parts as they were mass produced by unskilled labour and so were made faster and cheaper. The UK ones were essentially blue printed by highly skilled staff which explains their better reliability and performance. It also explains why the UK ones leaked more oil but burnt less😀
That's an 8 volt battery! Quite a common upgrade back in the day. Just turn up the voltage regulator to about 9.5 volts and away you go.
Yeah, I'm surprised that Derek didn't notice it had 4 cells.
Yep. Every cap on the top is 2 volts.
At 39:04 he says it's an 8v
Hopefully we see this car come back to the channel soon. I'm guessing it must be hard to find parts for though.
Always love watching this channel. Love seeing how you've grown the channels. Its a lost art.
That straight eight sounds so smooth. Too bad the fuelmakeithappener is letting it down but that's easy enough to sort out. The foamage has to go though. I'd love to see this rig done. Not just driveable done but really done done. I mean whipped cream with the cherry on top done. Anywho, you get it.
And that 400 Cordoba looks shot.
I wish importing was less of a pain, it'd be 3-5 times the price where I live and that is if the engine, transmission and driveshaft was missing :D
Yeah the Cordoba’s done. Didn’t even have the Corinthian leather.
There are alot of car crushing youtube site's that would take it
Definitely keep that one as a Derek Driver! Take the money you would put into the Cordova and put it into the Packard. You showed a lot of joy driving it.
Totally agree
Cordoba
That "Oil Filter" is called a "Lubrifiner." It uses a roll of toilet paper for the filter element. All the top line of Cars had one. Also, in 1955 & 56, before Parkard merged with Studebaker, Pakard came out with some huge V-8 and self leveling suspension. Use to see old grim faced guys tooling around in a Packard with a 45 degree list. Also had hydraulic actuated windows. There were literally dozens of these things abandoned for something stupid like the points closed up, so me and Vince would get one running and drive it around. Until it got towed away, or blew up. Had a '51 Pontiac Silver Chieftain in the 6th grade. Straight eight flathead, with a four speed hydro. Could bump start it.
Cool car! The wire beside the transmission is for the overdrive governor, which is on the other side of the transmission from the round can looking thing you saw (which is the overdrive solenoid). That car has the now rare Borg Warner Overdrive which when you do get it working, is the best three on the tree you will ever have, turns it into a 5 speed as you can OD both second and third!! I have a 54 Meteor (Canadian Ford car) that I installed a Borg Warner Overdrive into and I love driving it. I can cruise at 75 or 80 miles an hour keeping up with modern traffic. The Packard straight 8 will have no problem with those speeds using the OD!! Should have video on my channel soon with the Overdrive install. Great job Derek!
Thanks for making me laugh and smile, while also showing us such cool car history.
Life has been tough lately, and it’s nice to feel a little bit of happiness in the midst of it all.
The engineering in a Packard was high quality and ahead of its time. When you think that they were instrumental in winning WW2 by producing engines and were making cars prior to that that were equal to Rolls Royce, Duesenberg and others.....I approve.
The Packard was a master piece of a car. What did them in was their decision to produce the 6 cylinder 110/115 in 1936. The 120 from 1935, they needed, but producing that 6 cyl as a Packard was a huge mistake. It destroyed their luxury image. The base 200 was an outgrowth of that same error. They should have just produced the 300 and the Patrician 400. No 200s, at least not as Packards.
Well said! They were an incredible manufacturer, shame they’re mostly forgotten about today, glad he found one to save.
@@michaelbenardo5695 I got a chance to see a mint 400 run with the 327ci straight 8......talk about silky smooth and no vibration. The sound and feel was a sewing machine.
@@hoost3056 When you are inside the car, it seems as if the engine has stalled, until you step on the gas.
I figure you've heard this about a million times but when you're out and about with these older cars try looking at the tractor supply places for bits and pieces. Lots of odd belt sizes and older ignition system parts can be found in those
You sir, are living the dream! Thanks for letting us follow along and watch a little bit of it with you. 👍🏼
I clicked on this video so fast! My wife's granddad, who passed, was a Packard enthusiast. So when it came time to name my son, we went with Packard as a tribute to him. Solid cars with a ton of class. I know you don't full-blown restore rigs, but if you can bring back some of its former glory, that'd be amazing to see!
Your son and the bulky character in The Wraith are the only people named Packard I've ever known. Hopefully the kids at school don't nickname him fudge..... Definitely a cool and different name.
This one wants to be on the road again, listening to the engine just purring away.. it's a keeper !
Fix the rust, adjust the carb, probably bad flow sumwhere down the line or need bigger jet.
And when running right, get some nice paint (two-tone) make it shine !
It's always good for a guy to have a shop lion he can pet on once in awhile.
Derek I love shop cat he or she is doing a great job and as a cat owner myself shopcat is a must for security.
I think you should do a full-on restore on the Packard. I cannot believe how it just lit right off. I wasn't even sure it was running for a moment. Just going to need some body work.
With a little bit of love and care cars like these can run basically forever.
A friend of my father gave him a ‘51 200 Packard in the late 70’s. When I graduated HS in ‘81, I borrowed a trailer & picked it up from storage 600 miles away
When I got it home, threw a new battery in it, some fresh gas & drove it 20 miles to my dad’s business
It took me almost an hour to figure it out, and I don’t know if the ‘52s were the same, but the starter switch was actually on the carb. Mash down the accelerator peddle to engage the starter
9 volt battery is an upgrade for the 6 volt. ... everything still works for the 6 volt, lights, generator, and it starts better in the winter too.
In the late sixties my friend who's dad was a dentist, had a 52 Packard in mint condition parked in the drive just to ward off potential burglars in his awesome home when he was gone. His son, whom was my friend and about 17 started driving it a lot. We met all kinds of girls in that. It was blast and I remember it was comfortable and smooth. Girls parents didn't know what to think of us.
This is why we watch you, that Packard is wonderfull. One of your best Vids ever. Forget the Cordoba, to far gone
@Vice Grip Garage Derek really does an outstanding job in filming, editing, starring, and publishing these episodes that he writes while repairing engines like its as easy as breathing. Your videos have come so far from when your channel was first growing and really started to take off, and I just wanna say congrats to you!
I was interested in cars and trucks before, and used to drive and work on a 1971 Oldsmobile cutlass S with a 455 Big block bored 30 over when I was in highschool. So from a young age I understood that easy feeling when working on these old-school engines, but since I started watching your videos I have become so much more invested in the entire process that goes into your production, editing, and acting (especially) is very inspiring and we appreciate you for it.
So thanks man! And keep making really awesome content!
Thank you for the kind words
Derek, I enjoy all your videos. One correction I have to make is that 6v wiring is actually thicker/better than 12v wiring. That's because at 6 volts, you need 2x as much current to run an accessory, light bulb, or starter motor than in a 12 volt system. Thus, 6v wire is more than adequate for running at 12 volts, because the wire itself is twice the gauge as 12v wire, to carry twice the current. However, it happens that in the era in which cars had 6 volt electrical systems, the insulation for the wiring was made of cotton instead of plastic, and the cotton deteriorates over 10 or so years, and then the wires are no longer properly insulated. It is the deterioration of the cotton insulation, rather than the switch to 12 volts, that makes it necessary to replace the wiring. So even if you keep your 6v rig at 6 volts, you still need to replace the wiring to avoid fires.
Car wiring fires were pretty common as the 1950's cars aged. My uncle had a 1950 Buick Special that he kept garaged, but even so, by 1965 he had an insulation fire under the dash.
I have a 1954 Hudson Hornet that had original wiring when I bought it 9 years ago, and if I reached up under the dash, sparks would go flying because the insulation was missing on so many wires. I rewired the whole car with wire from Rhode Island Wiring that looks just like the original cotton insulated wire but has an inner core of plastic insulation. I can send you a picture of what the original 65 year old wire looked like, if you're interested.
Since you like 1940's to 1950's cars, have you ever worked on a Hudson?
Great video! That's the car I learned to drive in when I was 12, even the same battleship gray color!
Not gonna lie, I'd love to see this thing get that rust patched, interior cleaned up and fixed, and maybe some fresh paint. With how that thing fired up its just screaming to be taken care of.
I did not see him do any brakes
Its been sitting and rusted brakes cant be functional
@@Boots_on_the_ground Well, it's obvious from the new carb on it that it was being worked on recently, since the carb isn't corroded or anything. They probably got it running then looked for someone to dump it on.
A high school buddy had one of these many years ago. It was one smooth running and riding machine. Not many 1952 vehicles that will start and run like that Packard without a lot of work. IMHO that Cordoba is nothing but trouble.
Drove a fifty three on sixty six it was fast
They sure knew how to Chromium plate things properly back then. It is a beautiful car.
When the Packard barked off the induction hiss from the carb obscured the sound of the engine. Plus it idled when stone-cold. The thing is running really rich. I think you said something about that when looking at the plugs??
So... No wonder it won't go over 40 mph. It needs a smaller main jet.
That is a rare and awesome find. It deserves some love