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➡️I get so many questions about high-passing! There’s so much confusion and misinformation out there.
We’ve done quite a few videos where we take a kick drum and we high-pass it up to 20Hz and it gets louder!
People say “Oh, well you don’t hear it” well, you don’t hear it through your studio monitors but you’ll definitely hear it through a PA, and more importantly it will impact your mix.
Every professional mixer high-passes.
So did they high-pass in 1979? Yes they did! Not only did they do it, they did it a lot! Going onto tape produced a lot of low end and low-mid build up!
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I recently started light Hi and Lo passing on every instrument track to make each have a space in the mix. And it has made a world of a difference ...night and day...thanx Team Warren:)
_patrikjay_ fantastic!! I agree 100% my friend!
Warren should open with frequently marvelous questions!
Haha yes! Great idea!
Oohh. Yes, spot on
Indeed, Julian! Haha
Thanks Warren! So much conflicting info about HPF. I ride the octave below the fundamental on all tracks except bass instruments and put a 20Hz HPF on those.
Excellent advice about learning to interact with other people! Well said Warren!
PG tips? Oh dear Warren! Haha, can't wait to watch this one :)
Haha Yes, indeed my friend! I love my old PG!
great video Warren thanks !!
Hi Warren, fantastic FAQ Friday and very informative like always, thank you very much, all the best, Darren Ross.
Thanks ever so much Darren! I really appreciate it!
Thanks Warren! A bit amazed that you still get to the grit: Getting people to be comfortable and to work together is, hopefully, the best way of getting the best result!
Yes, indeed! Inspiring your artist is the most important thing!!
We've written stuff which runs at a tempo derived from a number cycles of D per quarter bar ....because the Roland TR 909 kick drum is pitched at D. I'll use a precise tempo suitable for that. It's akin to pushing a swing at the correct time...the swing goes higher...or in this case the kick thumps better and the waves are in uniform portions for the tempo...if that makes sense.
Lastly the Lurssen ...I loved..10 free days to play with it...did an amazing job of a competition song I was working on.
....1200 entries to the PLAP comp...standards high too.
Peace out.
Another amazing FAQ Friday!
Eric Gonzalez thanks ever so much!
in the video about tuning drums... i usually don't bother so much with the kick and snare but sometimes the toms do tend to need to be tuned to the song. the 'boing' from them are definitely notes. but i mainly use BFD3 and sampled drums so i usually play the bass guitar track and drop the global tuning of the drum kit to fit with the bass tuning... usually just a smidgen is all that is needed. cheers
Awesome Drum advice, great FAQ Friday. Cheers!
Thanks ever so much Ryan!
pg tips is fantastic!
Love Warrens insights! Go my friend!
Hi Friends, I get so many questions about high-passing! There’s so much confusion and misinformation out there. We’ve done quite a few videos where we take a kick drum and we high-pass it up to 20Hz and it gets louder! People say “Oh, well you don’t hear it” well, you don’t hear it through your studio monitors but you’ll definitely hear it through a PA, and more importantly it will impact your mix. Every professional mixer high-passes. So did they high-pass in 1979? Yes they did! Not only did they do it, they did it a lot! Going onto tape produced a lot of low end and low-mid build up! Many thanks Warren
Tetley Tea!! For the win!
I'm a live sound engineer, and high pass is SO important, even on low frequency instruments like bass/kick etc... I think one thing a lot of studio engineers don't necessarily think of as well, is that trying to reproduce those 25-30hz and lower information thats in some of these sources is extremely taxing on power amplifiers. you cut that stuff out, and all of a sudden your PA is punchier, and you can actually get more low end out of the system without amps going into clipping.
just my 2p. thanks for all your great content!
Haha yes, indeed Darlene!
Yes, indeed Dustin! Agreed 100%! It is the same for recording, that extra low end rumble, although inaudible in home speakers is still there taking energy away from the mix! You Rock!
HIgh pass is your best friend. Just like any friend, treat it with respect and don't abuse it. That's it.
Thank you again Warren!
Have a great weekend!
Thanks ever so much Martin! You Rock my friend!
Love FAQ Friday
Thanks ever so much John! You Rock!
Great advice over interaction. To my experience it's the same in almost every job, and when i'm a part of a hiring process at my work i always look more for the right personality rather than the right education. Best is to have both of course, but if you cannot I'd go for person with the right mindset every time.
I once had a 'producer' drive me crazy tuning the top skin of a snare to one pitch, the bottom skin to another pitch and change this up for every song. This can be beneficial when paid by the hour but he wasn't reading the musicians at all well. They were hot to trot and wanted to play! This guy was just killing the vibe..
horowizard yes, indeed, that is a big part of Production! Keeping the performance levels high! I have experienced that same thing! With bands in particular you need to keep that energy high. Obviously with seasoned Session players it is their job to facilitate whatever it takes to get an amazing performance and remain focussed and fresh even with long periods of getting tones.
Good answer on dead flat rooms/anechoic chambers Warren, but I suspect the persons question was really about mixing in mastering studio style flat environments. Anyways.. Keep it up!!
Great info as usual Warren.
Thanks ever so much Terry! You Rock my friend!
Warren hey! I really dig your honest answer to the last question in a row. The one about psychology and interaction. Above all - THE PRACTICE! Nice one! Nice video! As always, best from Zagreb! Krešo
Thanks ever so much my friend!!
Great video Warren. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks ever so much my friend!
A completely flat room for mixing/mastering is not an anechoic chamber, but it has a controlled reverberation for all the frequencies through a combination of absorption and diffusion.
Absolutely! Agreed 100%! I was using the extreme to illustrate a room not necessarily needing to be completely flat!
Great video.
Thanks ever so much Rohan!
Glenn🐸 That's awesome!
Haha yes, indeed AMB!
Hi, Warren! Twinings Earl Grey and Tazo Awake English Breakfast. I miss Jackson’s Earl Grey!
Producer Jimmy Page did it on Led Zeppelin’s Physical Graffiti (tuning the kick bass drum to the key of the song).
An absolutely perfect example of high-passing is on ABBA’s Voulez-Vous (from 1979!)
a possible question for next week editing vs mixing, when should i stop editing and start mixing? what are the main differences between the two, love the vids as always, rock on!
From Yorkshire but love PG Tips.
Yes, indeed! I love my PG Tips!
De-esser on overheads thank you kind sir! Never thought of that!
You're very welcome Steve!
Since people listen to music in rooms you wouldn't want to mix in an anechoic chamber.
However, you do want a decently tuned room and a pair of flat speakers for reference.
Organic coffee for me 👌
I know you get a lot of trolls on the live stream making hair comments, which is completely irrelevant to the great free content you provide, but as a counterpoint I thought I'd mention the hair is looking good in this video. More importantly, thanks for the interviews and tips. I hard panned a wet delay (with other effects) vs the dry as you had suggested in one of the videos and the result was amazing.
Haha thanks ever so much my friend! Glad you enjoy the hair and of course the video! You Rock!
Hey Warren, Q for you! "Traditional" plugins (EQ, Comp etc.) or "modern" stuff (Scheps Parallel Particles, Greg Wells MixCentric etc.)? Thank you for your great channel!
Thanks for this awesome channel.
In another channel i saw that high passing individual channel causes phase issues, is it really like that?
Well they high passed....and they were all high for sure in 79...i oughta know lol
Haha yes, indeed Stephen!
Hi waren! Do you reccomend having a furmann power suply for your equipment? Does it rly cleanup the sound ,and how does it impact on analog mixers? Love your videos! Big fan!
I worked a lot in a anechoic chamber in the last months. I think balancing the mix and eqing would be amazing, because it is amazing how much the room will change the spectrum of the speakers BUT the room in the recordings are very hard to judge because let's say you add reverb to vocals in a normal room it adds to rooms reverberation ... in a anechoic chamber you could end up using way too much reverb. other then that i'd love to produce a song completely in a anechoic chamber ... just out of curiosity ...
Yes you can get good recordings in a small Rom with 57s. The "Sm" stands for "Studio Mic"......cheers
Indeed Stephen! I've done many videos where SM57's were used exclusively! Here's one:- ua-cam.com/video/BpiZCV5iUU4/v-deo.html This is the Van Halen set up for the first tow albums using not only sm57s but the cheaper 546!
Question in title is at 10:38
listened with joy again ^_^
ok hipassing well today we have many complex options to discuss!
what slope does my stock HP have? can we afford 90 degrees phase shift at the edge?
when should we use a 96dB/oct HP? (or any from 24 to 120? they are free!)
when should we use a resonant HP with adjusting Q control?
Marvellous questions! High passing is such an amazing tool! I often gently high pass before a boost, such as RBass! Particularly on Toms! It will control the low rumble and give the Toms great shape! I would never very extreme slopes unless there was a huge issue in the low end! Yes, use your ears, looking at wave forms will make you nuts! Many Mixers on SSLs would boosted and cut at the same frequency to sharpen the EQ point and create that sound we love!
Louisiana tea is my jam
Fantastic Nick!
Highpass for maximum schnizzle! great FAQ as usual, where do I ask questions for next week?
You can ask them here my friend! Thanks John! You Rock!
P.G. tips. !..I used to collect the tea-cards that came with them.... filled the albums ..ahh the 70's in suburbia ..
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just watched you at 15.28 ...I'm a Dr .. and I sound exactly like that !! :)
Hi DrJazz! I collected those cards as well! Thanks for your great comment!
Yorkshire all the way and I'm a Southerner. :)
Very nice Glenn!
Brilliant to note that every drum hit being "perfected" to the grid making the kit smaller. Plus it robs the often killer performance of humanity, or feel. I wish more experienced engineer/mixers would at least mention this point. It would go a long way towards getting rid of the machine feel in far too many otherwise great songs. Thanks for sharing that with the community.
I agree 100% Ron! Exactly! When a great drummer lays back on the snare and the pocket feels deeper there is nothing better!
my high pass list:
kick - 37hz
guitars - 103hz
bass guitar - 37hz
room mics - depends on room
drum reverb - 430hz
snare - 120hz
toms - never high pass
hi-hat - 250hz
strings (violin, viola, cello) - 103hz
i mostly make metal and these numbers really give my mixes some power in the low end, it just opens it up.
Thanks for sharing your insight C! You Rock!
thanks, warren.
i forgot to add that these numbers are general and each song requires it's own tweaks.
don't want anybody to take the numbers as set in stone.
Hey Warren, big fan of your channel. Got a question about consoles. I noticed on some of your studio tour video that some consoles have two fader per track, so just wondered what the second fader is for ?
Hi Warren. When recording drums, how often do you use cymbal spot mics?
In what circumstances do you typically find yourself using them?
And I love my Taj Mahal tea😍.👍
12:54 I've got a nitpick here - "dead" sounds (no pun intended) to me like a *reverberation* issue, ie. a time-domain characteristic. "Flat", as in "flat frequency response" is just what the name says, ie. a frequency-domain thing.
A flat frequency-response room CAN be (at least in theory) reverb-y, and conversely, a "dead" room (ie. non-reverb-y) room may well have, say, a large-amplitude room-mode in the low-mids (ie. decidedly NOT "flat").
You lost me on the tea thing. I like Tea, more in the winter, but it's never helped my mixes at all. Should I drink it before or after the high pass filter?
Very helpful info throughout the video though. Thanks again.
AnAmericanGuitarist haha drink whenever the mood takes you my friend!!
hey warren ! :) lets say you like a microphone with you voice but sometimes it doesn't fit well to a song would you rather get a a new or a second mic or a bit outboard gear to be more flexible ?
Tetley Tea!! For the win! LOL!
Got to love Tetley as well!
Tetley *used* to make teabags make tea. They went downhill quite a few years back when they apparently started sweeping up the excess non tea dust from the pg tips factory to bag up as 'tea'. Still, to each his/her own ;0
The problem with mixing in an anechoic chamber is the mix will literally never be listened to in a similar environment.
You would have to affect the mix to that environment which will be drastically different when the mix is consumed in any "normal" environment.
So what's the point?
I´ve tried a 100% dead room... walking on a fence kinda net-like floor... ANyway, your spot on the reflection.
Normally you speech will get reflected, it dosent happen in the room. Which means, you HEAR, your inner voice from you throat much easier.. (it´s fucked up,) Anyway, A room can´t be too Flat.. It´s only us humans that can´t handle it ;-)
Theres a lot of math involved when talking reflection stuff.. But the bottom line is just to ABsorb and difuse the sound in sund a way, that your listening spot is optimal... But remember, in a 100% soundproof studio, there will be hot as hell.. The sound produced by the monitor will eventually transform from waves to thermalenergy, which means heat...
Remember the speed of sound is dependent on 2 things:
1. The temperatur (the number of air-molecules in space determin the speed of sound)
2. The Material (Is the sound passing through water, air, wood ect.)
But when you know the speed of sound, you can mathemathically calculate the reflections of the room.
Let´s say you work on a bassline, down at 20Hz...
Your room is 4 meters in length. you sit in the middel, which means you have 2meters to the front and back..
Now, at 10 to 15 degrees the speed of sound is 340m/pr.sec
At 15-20 degrees the speed of sound is 343m/pr.sec
Now, we take the bassline at 20Hz and divide that with 343m/pr.sec (most studios are 20 degrees and up) = 17.15m
That means, in reality you should be standing 17.15meters away from you monitor(speaker) in order to hear the full spectrum of a wave(bass)cycle. So, back to the studio..
Back in the studio:
You first wanna know how many times the sound reflect in your room. You divide 17,15m with your "room-length" at 4 meters.. which gives us 4,2875.. That means that the sound bounces appro: 4,2875 times before you hear an actual real bass cycle.
This is just and a basic thing too look at, we haven´t even begun to look at the reflection-factor from the walls (what the walls are build of has a reflection-factor) -- So, theres a lot of stuff going on...
In the end, you can also just buy Trinnov.. the new crazy machine that can calculate every fucking thing :-)
Studio looks well! Have you had a tidy up?
Hmmm, maybe? We try to keep it as clean as possible bearing in mind we do multiple sessions a day!
Hi Warren, I have a beginner drum recording question here. Whenever I've seen drums recorded with each component mic'ed separately, why is the bleed from the other components not edited out from any given track either with a noise gate or manually edited out. For example, what would be the downside to completely removing any snare hits that were picked up by the cymbal mic?
Yorkshire Gold, you savage
Haha I will have to try it! My Grand Parents and Parents grew up on good old PG!
Produce Like A Pro See that you do :) Not Yorkshire Red, though. It is MUCK, sir. MUCK.
Haha thanks Joe for information!
Been a PG-Tipser for years, but recently had some yorkshire (standard) green box. It was like next-gen tea! (A bit more flavour than the PG) Give it a try! (That said, I still fall back on the PG pyramids... force of habit now). Either brand will definitely help with a good mix though!
How about using that pair of 57s as stereo overheads and just using a sampled kick?
Henrique Silva sure! You could lay the samples kick in one beat at a time, just make sure you get perfectly phase aligned.
you got a haircut! Lookin' sharp Mr. Huart!!
AW shucks! Thanks ever so much!
Red Rose Canadian Breakfast for me. Not sure if it's sold outside Canada?
I use a gate on my kick sometimes to trigger a note on a midi instrument such as a bass note. Usually just one note. But why not use it to trigger more notes similar to the timpani style drums you were talking about. I tried looking for something in my DAW (Studio One)to automate variable notes but couldn’t find anything other than pitch variation automation for the single note being triggered. I was hoping to find an automation that could change the note to move anywhere in any type of scale and even better if you could use the follow cord functionality in Studio One to make the notation changes. Anybody ever try this and maybe find a convenient way to do it?
Warren .. someone has stolen the window ! ...Also PG-tips or Twining's Earl Grey in the morning
Haha it was so bright outside Caloss2! Love my PG Tips!
Get some Yorkshire Gold in yer life...
Tetley British Blend for me (in the US). Name's Bond - Brooke Bond...
Haha yes, Bond, Brooke Bond!
EDM they tune the kick to the song
Yes! I’ve tuned drums to the key if the song many times!
Not always. In fact I think it's quite rare to go to the effort. EDM producers will audition a bunch of kicks and may choose the one that randomly happens to be tuned to the track because "it sounds good", but very few would actually say "I like this kick but I'm going to transpose it". FWIW, there's a meme-like deadmaus rant where he basically says that tuning kicks is idiotic, because EDM kicks are pretty short and snappy these days. It's all about the percussive transient, not the sustained sound where pitch is detectable.
I should probably say, however, that in trap styles by contrast, tuned 808 sub kicks (which have a lot of sustain) are a very important part of the sound.
We used to Low-pass in the 70's it was called Dolby :P
Haha exactly my friend!!
Ah yes the days of Dolby! I remember them very well!
Caloss2 Gaming yep Dolby A & B noise reduction. Great for recording bright synths.
Who won the mixing contest that you posted a month back? Haven't seen any results on UA-cam.. Thanks Warren
HI Artist 1! We are announcing it next week! We got over 1,200 entries! It was amazing!!
For about three weeks, I've been dealing with a distortion in the high end "S" sound of my vocals. It's only in one place, but when I listen on my DAW, everything is crystal clear, and when I listen in my car, it shows its ugly self. I've messed with input/output gain, started with all new compressor and EQ over a thousand times... I've even gone to the "S" sound in the wave form editor and turned down just that part, but it only seems to stop when the part is too low in the mix... Am I missing something?
Wouldn't mixing through headphones be like mixing in a completely dead room?
any thoughts about sonarworks reference 4 speaker room EQ correction,
Proper communication with working with singers is crucial to a good preformance behind the mic.
I usually give complements and credits to whoever singer I work with, and at the same time I give them some input of what would sound good.
"Try to sing a little louder in the chorus. Let your voice shine" or "This take was great. Do you feel you could double it?"
If you just give orders, the singer would feel pressure when preforming, and this feeling will stay in his/her head through the whole recording.
Make them feel good. Serve drinks, some food, a nice inviroment to work in, and basically make them feel good and relaxed, and they WILL preform better...
Imagine going to work feeling shit. Would you preform at your best. Of cause not...
Don’t be silly! It has to be Barry’s Tea Gold blend - from Cork of course.
Haha YES!! I love some good Irish Tean my friend!
Hi Warren. if you could help me would be great. Lately i've been triyng to figure something out. The fact of passing the tracks through multiples subs till get que master could make the mix less width? Ps: Sometimes in our job some producers forget the art (most i would say) but you dont!!. Thanks.
What about low passing everything?? That's what my early 4-track Fostex X-15 demo's now sound like.
I believe the question regarding aligning the drums to the "grid" was regarding a drum PERFORMANCE that is not PERFECTLY synched up to the Click/ Tempo grid. Thereby making the human perfromance, more machine like... I say, just hire a better drummer(?) But practically speaking, even a fantastic take can still have one or two hits that are early or late enough to distract from the feel/ groove. Cheers!! 🤘🏻🦁
Hi Warren. For the FAQ Friday, you can point out from the FAQ FAQ, this it's pronounce "fack", "eff ay queue", and the occasional rare form "fa queue". Or perhaps not... I really just want to hear you say it...
Thank you for the hoping we are doing marvelously well. That really starts off the segments nicely.
Thanks ever so much Eric! Hahaha
What are the most accurate headphones money can buy?
Hi Warren, another great video! If you have time can you please explain the following for me....I bought the MV2 from waves, and I am trying to figure out how to properly use it on a bass guitar. I've watched your videos as well as other tutorials on youtube and I am not 100% sure how to properly apply it to the bass guitar. Do I just want to balance the meters roughly on both sides? If you get around to it many thanks.
Hi Steve, marvellous question! Go to a section where the notes are getting lost and raise the low level so the quieter notes are brought up, then go to a loude?r section and control the louder notes by bring down the high level and BINGO you'll have a very well controlled Bass sound! I hope that helps
It absolutely does! Thanks for taking the time to respond.
You're very much Steve!
Thanks for the positive support Meep! You Rock!
well and when the song modulates, to another tonality , the drum is out ... I think it's better to treat the kick/snare as percussion
I do have to agree with that assumption. There are the rare times I tine perfectly to the key of the song, but it's not that often!
OK I have to ask and this isn't an insult in any way so please do think it is Warren but has it been so hot out there in California that you had to steal what looks like a giant bread board to cover the windows to keep the console cooler during the hot summer months? I have been there. I use to have an MCI JH-636 next to a window and in the summer it would get so hot the old school metal faders would be unbearable to do mix rides on. The weather is quite a bit hotter in California compared to me out here in the Appalachian Mountains so I could only image hot hot that SSL can get with all of the extra heat being made from the extra dynamics, recall, automation & other thing compared to my old MCI. Stay safe, maybe get a pair of gloves, and don't burn those guitar shredding fingers during this heatwave you are way too talented to not be playing! Cheers my friend!
Hi Music Factory Studios, haha thanks my friend! Yes! It is extremely hot some days indeed! Blasting! I appreciate your kind words my friend! Blessed to be able to do music for a living!
I think the "tuning kicks" thing is really central to house music or other 4-floor genres where the kicks are often a combination of multiple elements - an untuned percussive 'click' for attack, and then the body and tail, which are often carefully pitch-matched w/ the song
Its not so much a thing w/ acoustic drum sounds in rock/pop. tho i do think obviously how you tune your drums still matters, just not so much about trying to match the key of the song.
I was thinking the same thing. You could have 3 "kicks" in the same track, sub, mid and top.
Hell, sometimes they are the same kick, copied across three tracks, pitched differently, with different eq settings and maybe chopped to add attack.
Pg tips? My god man... Insanity! Yorkshire all the way
Haha in deed Kris!
What camara are you using to film this..? Thanks
So I have a question and I don’t know where to turn, as I can’t find any answer to my specific problem online. I’m doing my first recording and I’m at the gain staging process. I’m trying to get my audio levels to around -18dBFS before adjusting each accordingly, but when I get my average audio to that my peaks come in really hot, which cause my Aux busses to clip. Should I be lowering my average audio levels down below -18dBFS, using compression on the individual tracks, or using compression on the Aux Busses? Just to clarify, my individual audio tracks aren’t clipping. It’s just my busses and the mix buss. Can anyone help me with my problem? Much appreciated and thanks in advance.
Shaun Christopher you want each individual track to be gained down to around -18 and then you need to gain your busses to around the same before mixing.
remember, gain knob for gain staging with faders at unity (0).
hope this helps.
C thanks for the reply. Is it uncommon to put a brick wall limiter on the master fader to control the peaks, at this stage, before the actual mix process? I have all my tracks around -18 dBFS RMS, But the peaks are leaving me little to know head room on the master fader.
🤣🤣🤣. Great video.
Thanks ever so much my friend!!
1:53 Hurricane by Katey Laurel?
You go again with LMC? Great as a plugin on individual tracks, have more issues when comes to Mastering. Did you see thar Brainbox put out a plugin that looks more or less the same. So the guys @ IK and Lurssen must have done something right.
Schnizzle don't get really good if you don't highpass ;)
Yes, indeed Kenneth!
10:38 If i didn't know any better, i'd say this is becoming a meme (at least here) :D
Just a simple one Warren - can you do a short segment on IR - their use and implementation please? Do as short segment, not in FAQ. Not everyone is up on this. It will also help sell your products too. Ta from Aussie.
Thanks ever so much KimboH55 in Oz!
Does anyone know when the remix results come out?
Sylvia massy did a video on an annacolic chamber ...i spelled that wromg but you get it
Interesting! Thanks Steve!
ua-cam.com/video/zCMfhNMAuB8/v-deo.html
Role playing helps
Yes, indeed!
When the result for mixing competition 2018 will be announced ?
Results coming next week my friend! We got 1,200 entries! So it took along time to go through them!
thanks
I tracked in a studio that was so dead. I hated it, You might think im nuts but it messed with my equilibrium.
I believe you 100%! I've been in big rooms that are so dead that they may as well have been tiny! Ha
hey Warren!
name this series Q&A and you'll get rid of uncomfortable explanation of FAQ every time )) you welcome! )
Haha I won't even bother explaining it...ever again! Haha
What time is tea time in your studio?
All the time! Every time!! Haha
any time is tea time!
Exactly John!! Haha
Thanks for sharing, Warren, but I disagree on one point... Yorkshire Tea is the best.
Haha I love some Yorkshire too! Let's face it, Tea is fantastic!
And do not forget to raise your pinkie!
Haha pinky raised Platinum!
I used to work in an anechoic chamber when I was training to be an engineer at BAe in Hertfordshire 30 odd years ago. I gotta tell you.... It's weird! There's literally no reverb of any kind. Everything is absorbed. You can't really stay in an environment like that for more that about 2 hours without needing to get out and hear nature.
As for tea.... What a daft question! In the UK there's PG and other stuff. Can this really be debated? Anyone who thinks Tetleys is better is simply uninformed! In Ireland though there's Barry's which is even better. ;)