Nigel Farage aims for Tory wipeout, and the problem for Starmer | Podcast #60
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- Reform UK rejigged their top team yesterday where Richard Tice stepped down for Nigel Farage to take over as leader of the party. Farage also announced he would stand for election in Clacton.
We react to the news, Farage's speech and the wider implications for the Conservatives, and Keir Starmer's Labour party.
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Corbyns manifesto was mainstream Scandinavian policy. The fact it was presented as extreme left wing tells you about how stupid this country is
Corbyn self describes himself as a ‘true Socialist’ and not the Labour Party description of itself as being ‘Democratic-Socialist’.
Scandinavians believe in a market based economy with checks & balances such that societal fairness outweighs individual freedoms - important as the latter is.
True Socialists are essentially a flavour of Communism and do not believe in a market economy but rather in a command economy where a self selected elite who know best have control of the levers of power. As the Shadow Chancellor under Corbyn John McDonnell (who describes himself as a Marxist) explicated that he envisaged an economy where the state was the main partner and catalyst for innovation and productivity and not the private sector. I agree with a lot of what McDonnell says especially on tax but make no mistake it’s a command economy he wants.
Yeah but it was to a country that is afraid of change and a righr wing media that keeps them afraid, and somehow they will always frame it as giving free stuff to foreigners.
Yeah but the Danish PM couldn't even drive to work. They had to ride a bike like a peasant! SOSHULIZM!
I am from Sweden, I had a look at Corbyn's 2019 manifesto - it is similar to the Vänsterpartiet in Sweden ("Left party"). They got 6.8% of the vote. In no way is Corbyns manifesto like the main parties here.
I agree , but he was very Naive about Putin , and his defence policies would leave us in a very precarious position. Everything else was ok
The Labour party are now so Thatcherite, even the Financial Times are left of Starmer's labour. Our politics are bizarre
Labour's goal is to win. The people that are going to vote for them have already decided. They only need to make sure the people that usually vote Tory and are planning to stay home this time, do stay there.
Well done Maggie for changing the Labour Party and annoying the far left in the process! 👏
@@gaiahunter3863This is cope. The fact that the labour party has thrown trans people (and by extension the entire LGBTQ+ community) under the bus, despite the international academic and medical consensus, is not because of an election strategy.
They're being outflanked on social issues by the fucking lib dems. The fucking LIB DEMS. How the hell are the lib dems the progressive and most left wing choice. They're a neoliberal centrist party.
@@Ibluntlysaywhatithinkoh yes, all this inequality and decimated public services have truly benefitted our country. It’s pathetic that you think politics is about “annoying” who you disagree with. What a melt.
@@Ibluntlysaywhatithink Maggie also helped turn this country into the empty shell that it is right now🙄
No one under 45 has anything to conserve!
On tin cans.
You are part of the problem with that view. So much hatred of Britain.
Under 50
oh shit its you neon visual!!! you used to make DR Who Fan intros in after effects!! how you doing?
I’m 47 and have two children an eight year old and nearly 17 year old.we as a family desire less immigration.Come on reform x
Thank you Ava, for using “public purse” rather than”taxpayer’s money” We need to hear more people use that term. In my opinion it has a very different perspective. “The taxpayer” is a neoliberal term to excuse the destruction of public services. “The public purse” emphasises that it is our (i.e. everyone’s) resource.
We all know that's Pret coffee in a Caffè Nero cup
Man loves a chain for his coffees
Definitely from Tabac Exmouth Market
just make a coffee...???
Sponsor alert!
Not seeing it in the UK because we’ve had the Tories for so long at this point, and they’ve given us nothing to conserve, meaning none of us will vote for them
One statistic I always have in mind is homeownership. It has declined for people under 40 across the board in developed countries: by around 7 or 8 points in the USA and Germany, but it has COLLAPSED in the UK by 22 points. I think that by itself could explain the lack of support for Conservatism among the young in the UK.
Problem with expanding workforce is that you need actual jobs. Jobs in manufacturing, construction and so on. And all of that was shuttered long time ago and needs billions to be restarted.
14:47 "Broad but shallow". Christ, when did the labour party turn into vanilla skyrim
A fellow person of culture ❤
Nigel had a line
Was full of lies.
he's had more than a few lines in his time *sniff*
Nigel had a line from a bloke in Skeggy 😂
Long time listener, first time commenter here. Just wanted to say your coverage/analysis of the Greens leaves a lot to be desired atm. A lot of people are out here right now disillusioned with Starmer's Labour and looking for a new political home. On the day the Green Party launched their campaign you spent 10 mins on a joke about how they are nonces and a few seconds on their policies, Oli seems to really like saying the word NIMBY and so seems to maybe be overstating that aspect of it a little and Ava here is saying the policies aren't progressive enough. I consider myself progressive and they are the only party talking about the environment, housing and wealth inequality in any meaningful way, which from a progressive point of view are arguably the 3 biggest crises our country faces. I think for the first time in my lifetime Greens seems like a viable option (I understand they won't win more than 2-4 seats, but I am thinking long term). It makes sense that the BBC still isn't taking them seriously but I have more respect for you guys and genuinely expect better from you. It might not sound like it from this rant but I'm a big fan. Keep up the *mostly* good work.
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Agree with every word you've said here
Spot on!
Absolutely agree!
Jihadist NIMBYs is a cracking line but don't get carried away. They're still the only party that sees the current trajectory of our economic policy leads into a generational ditch.
Centrist Dad is James O’Brian.
I generally agree with a lot of what he says but can’t understand his fanboying of Starmer and hatred of Corbyn
He is not a centrist, no one on the right agrees with anything he says. The left do.
He pretty much loathes the working class, that is not a centrist view.
Not just the "young" I'd say there's an awful lot of people aged 45 - 30 who are in the same boat and of the people I know, I'd say there's a sizeable amount who didn't go to university who are prime targets for reform.
The best thing Starmer can do is introduce PR for a second term, but we know he won't.
Starmer may or may not be a fan of PR; I don't know. I do know that a decent portion of the parliamentary party are in favour, and if we as voters get off our arses and email our MPs explaining they can have our vote if they implement PR, the pressure increases. But, as with anything political, it needs public pressure.
@@31Blaize PR doesn't work. No one would decide on anything. There would be constant disagreement
@@middleman9183have you seen the current government?
@@middleman9183 You say that but it's the system most European countries run on and guess what? Stuff gets done. FPTP is used only in the UK and the last European dictatorship, Belarus. It is not a democratic system.
He won’t do PR because it’s easier for Labour to gaslight voters into voting for them under FPTP than actually delivering real change.
We all know Nige is full of it and shouldn't be taken at his word, right? More likely reason he's pivoted back to UK is that he wasn't going to get the position/money he wanted in Trumps' campaign.
i love these two together, thanks for the content, opinioins and laughs guys!
I want to put pressure on the greens to be as progressive/radical as possible. I think it’s untrue that people are not looking to them as a potential left wing alternative to labour
Now the studio looks like a funeral home
Needs disco lights.
well it is a left wing echo chamber- what do you expect?
@zephyrandmccarby1151 Yeah, and of course there ain't no right wing echo chambers, cool point bro make sure yiu write that one down
Genuine question what do they do at a rotary club? Rotate?
rotary clubs are part of rotary international - over 46,000 members worldwide
as for what goes on?
idk I literally thought they were just the Santa people until right now
Go round in circles? 🤣
They usually just meet up and have days out. I take rotary clubs out on day trips on boats, they're all pretty wealthy and old.
Here's a thought - go along and find out...
@@barryscott6222 go along and find out?
sorry, is it the 1800s, before the telephone was invented?
do you hold this standard for "go and find out" for diseases as well or?
Grateful to Ava for pointing out the outsourcing scandals that are waiting to fall like dominoes - and really quite alarmed at the same time. Nothing to suggest that things are going to change in the future.
Nigel gets way more coverage than he deserves. The press are the issue here. He's not a serious person and should get less air time for his racists views
Where is the evidence that Nigel is racist? What proof can you point to that would stand up in court that can define Nigel as a definite racist?
Nigel is a serious person because he's got my ear and my vote.
He will make a great Prime Minister if only people would give him a chance!
@@Ibluntlysaywhatithink Can't share links but UA-cam and Google will show you from a quick search that he has peddled populism in search of votes time and time again, which has driven a negative conversation about immigration in this country for the best part of a decade since he got his grubby hands on the European parliament.
A proven charlatan (interview on GMB the morning after the referendum famously shows him backtracking on every pledge of what the Vote Leave campaign stood on which were to be "Brexit benefits" and LBC interviews shows how he never believed it would've truly worked.
If you can't see through all of this, hilariously I laugh for the two brain cells in your skull having a shallow conversation right now 😂
😂😂
@@Ibluntlysaywhatithink So because he’s tricked you, that makes him serious?
9:22 I would disagree with the statement that younger people in NZ are supporting the right. In NZ our strongest support for the nzgreens(not like ukgreens-(they have good policy)) comes from youth, youth also highly supportive of nz labour for pandemic handling. National in NZ are not speaking to young people, are working for landlords and their other coalition partners are pretty much aggressively hated by most young people. Doesn't matter tho coz they don't vote lol
Also wheres the piss talk gone 😢
Yeah, I really don’t buy the theory that under 30s will suddenly pivot to reform, and that reform will suddenly pivot to abandoning their over 60s base to court them.
The youth vote has swung right in the EU, a high percentage of the AFD. Personally I think it’s a bit disingenuous, the vote have fractured more into less centrist positions.
Neoliberalism isn’t working for anyone, houses used to be 4x national average wage. Now it’s 12. Why would anyone vote for that.
@@mrmagoo-i2l i just can’t envisage the Uk electorate and the reform party doing a complete 180 just to follow European trends. It’s a massive extrapolation.
Neoliberalism’s failure doesn’t inherently equate to a populist right vote. Besides, some of the nations swinging right don’t have the housing issues that we & the US do.
@@RenegadeMaster137we have had a “right wing” government for a while. So the young won’t go right here yet.
When Labour fail in a few years time we will be in the same situation as Canada. The same globalist neoliberal policies. Everyone knows Starmer isn’t left wing, but he is painted that way. So, after the failure we will catch up by going right.
That won’t work either.
Polls have consistently shown that it's the older population in the UK that follows anti-immigrant politics, not the young. In the recent months (literally like since Christmas, not even the start of the populace surge), anti-immigrant beliefs seem to have gone up across the board. I don't know what's going on, probably a ton of Tory media pushing Farage and Reform, also boomers populating the entire discourse, but it has changed. Before this surge though, the trend was towards pro-immigration here, especially from the youth.
Ava have you read the Green Party’s PSS document?
It’s very progressive?
These two are quite dismissive of the Green party. If everyone who is dissatisfied with Labour actually voted Green rather than being scared by FPTP, they could win a good number of seats.
As for this tactical voting nonsense - it only works if you elect a party who want electoral reform. Greens need more support to put pressure on Centrist Starmer
It's apparent on the Podcast here as much as just about everywhere else I've aware of just how radically the tenure of the election has swung since 36 hours ago.
Not gonna lie, an entire podcast that is serious discussion is pretty darn refreshing.
21:00 - I am not sure. Reform has been an anti-everything party grown out of hatred and not hope. The likes of Tice and Farage cannot realistically sell a hopeful message to a majority. In the places with those huge majorities that Labour might have had a chance, the Tories will likely retain if Reform takes some of the Labour or Lib Dem vote.
Where's my guy Ed? I miss his little face.
And his nonce moustache?
He got scared by Oli's ghost semi
Loving the pitiful intro ❤
Lol the vast majority of young people would NEVER vote for Farage and would much rather vote Green
Are there any think tanks or research organizations looking in to what government spending would be if there wasn’t all the outsourcing to private companies leeching off the public sector?
Won’t the immigrants build the houses? Traditionally housing shortages have always been fixed by them and they will certainly form a large part of the beneficiaries 21:36
The set looks so much better lol
Love this pod❤
As someone who for years worked for one of those private companies that ferry prisoners to and from court etc, all they care about is pleasing the shareholders and anything that makes them spend more money to increase the welfare of the people we cared for (Not all of them had been found guilty of any crime) used to make them furious.
Not a theory about canceling student debt. It would be better economically and culturally for everyone except bankers, and the sociopathic status and power hoarding rich.
I fully agree with Oli, Labour seem like a 1 term party at the moment. I can just easily imagine them clinging on as much as the Tories are now
Very possible. And then what? Back to the Tories again? We're well and truly fucked.
I’m not left wing. Just a centrist, green supporting type. Lending my vote to Labour. Even I can see that Labour will win again in 2029 as long as they can be a safe pair of hands. We desperately need 10 years of stable government in the UK.
@@chrisd5964 Labour will not win the next election unless they seriously curtail immigration. There will be 4m more immigrants in the country by the next election and that will start to frighten people if it doesn't already.
@@MontyCantsin5 maybe then, with their backs to the wall, they can be forced to commit to PR?
What a beautifully lit episode without the green edge light i can rest easy
The greens need to go really hard on water re-nationalisation. It's an issue that almost everyone cares about and I think they could win a lot of good will there
Farage is standing
Rishi Sunak's terrified ....Na-na-na-na-na, na-na, na-na-na, na-na-na
With Farage's track record at running for MP, I'd imagine Sunak is quaking...with laughter.
@@markemarkatfb Farage standing/leading Reform means more voters are going to switch from Tory to Reform.
@@sambaines2Yeah, it’s surprising how many seats are swung by a few hundred voters.
Most reform voters will be people who vote in every election. This will sink the Tories. Which is well deserved.
@@sambaines2 Yep, in Clacton they might get one seat. 8th time lucky for Nige.
bring the green light back
This knee jerk response to promise millions of new houses fills me with despair. They will be unaffordable at completion and come at the cost of our green spaces which will be lost forever. There’re villages near me in Northumberland which have less than 40 percent permanent occupancy due to holiday lets. I know that the problem of affordable housing is a very real one but there has to be a more considered approach which isn’t going to leave future generations hanging their heads at what they’ve lost. If building houses trumps all else; and the demand will never be satisfied, then we may as well slash and burn our countryside now and put those of us with environmental concerns out of our misery.
This the new shirt Oli?
The importance of being earnest ... Thanks Mike for giving a voice to this (self excluded) part of the British society at its best. Long live Farage and its successful career as an opportunist gathering all the hatred of this world. It only takes a few mesmerizing mimics and gullible gammons.
Politics Joe and The News Agents are my 2 favourite political podcasts. I'm not going to tell you which one is my favourite. Draw your conclusions from that ;) Maitliss though eh? What a goddess.
This is absolutely spot on. As someone who's 29 my patience has run out. I've done what I was "supposed" to do. Got a good job (40% tax rate), got a 3 bed house, don't spend exorbitantly and yet still wouldn't say I was better off than my dad who raised 3 kids on a single income (police officer) and had a 4 bedroom house and able to take us all on multiple holidays a year by working a bit of overtime.
My situation is at probably at the absolute top of end of what would be achievable for someone from a upper working class background.
All my mates are struggling and others I just can't even imagine how they cope. Donating to a foodbank just to do what I can as feel for everyone in our gen who weren't as lucky as me.
The numbers just don't add up for our Zillennial generation. shafted by student loan tripling, shafted by austerity, shafted by brexit, shafted by covid, shafted by highest tax + interest rate burdon since WW2.
Then get gaslit by social media that it's our fault we aren't a success and need to sniff mushroom gummies and start trading stocks. Might give it a try!
I'm just wondering if Farridge is standing because Trump's campaign is going to be spectacularly bad, or spectacularly good? Has Farridge given up the grift, or doubling down!? What's his deal!?!?!?
Froggage never gives up the grift. The sky will turn green before that happens.
No, what he says is true. A lot of the right wing were disappointed with Nigel. They felt abandoned because he was going to the US.
When people feel they have no one to vote for that is a bad situation, they may never vote again. It was the right tactical move. Tice has no charisma, people voted reform in spite of him not because of.
I took a few pods off, after one of Ollie’s “fox getting fucked by a horse” screaming intros and to be fair, this show was about political news and insight. Nice new direction for the show.
Great pod today
Great episode - you gave a lot to think about. Cheers
The policies the Green Party would introduce to help councils increase the supply of affordable housing include:
- Providing funding to councils to meet their needs for affordable social housing and lift the overly restrictive rules on council borrowing for housebuilding - ensuring *at least an extra 150,000* council homes a year are made available through a mix of new build, refurbishment, conversions and buying up existing homes
- Ending Right to Buy, enabling local authorities to keep council homes available and affordable in the community for good
- Taming the private rental market through rent controls, in places where the rental market is overheated, to ensure a fair rent, as well as ending no-fault evictions.
- Creating a ‘community right to buy’, giving councils, housing associations and community housing groups first refusal to buy certain properties that come onto the market, including former social housing bought under Right to Buy; properties in need of energy efficiency improvements; or any property left empty for an unacceptably long time.
Like a politics version of the smoking room , love it
I think he stood because the polls are looking good and his decision now has given Reform a bigger boost and maybe get more votes than expected. This election could be a big shock.
You don't have to build on green spaces to increase housing. Our high streets are full of empty buildings that are going to start falling apart. Unfortunately grants for social housing are focused on new builds, they don't cover change of purpose. Empty Debenhams can become blocks of flats quicker than a new block can be built, and they're generally close to public transport & necessary services already, but grant requirements need changing.
One of the problems facing any Government is that no long term planning takes place. We need a system of cross party agreement on border security, energy security, food security , defense, NHS and immigration to commit the £Billions and ensure our Country is secure. It's almost the total opposite of the last 14 years of Conservatives in power.
she did say IT
On point with the product placement Olli!! ❤
But he did not waste them. He traveled and campaigned for Tice, Lee Anderson, etc. How much has he wasted? Many may now vote for these candidates because Farage not only showed up but joined the GE party and stood as leader. To finish, I must say I think you're great Gal. Not sure about his Beard. Hardly ZZ Top. Rather Red.
Notice the reach for the 'curtain' and the fact that Ava didn't move it - that's proof there! #greenscreen
i miss the green light!
I can not understand why Labour do not campaign on a massive council house building program. Capital investment in housing stock is a win win. Ban the sale of any new council houses built and give allocation priority to local people.
because they'd be asked how they'd fund it, and the answer is either higher taxes (which are inevitable because the government doesn't own any assets anymore) or increased borrowing, both of which would see them dragged hard in the media - I agree that it would be a good policy, but like so many good policies it doesn't fit the narrow orthodoxy of neoliberalist economics
The vast vast majority of doctors are making nowhere near 8000 a day even the ones working locums. I’ve not heard of anyone making that amount of money in locums. Locum pay is so high partly because the risk you’re taking on working in such high demand environments is huge, you are massively exposed to error which could lead to serious consequences not only to patients but doctors themselves (eg losing your career).
Now Toad face is in the scene, what's realistically the best case scenario?
He splits the rightwing vote causing a total wipe out of Tory MPs, but still doesn't win any seats in parliament and therefore radicalises a huge faction of gammons in favour of PR?
Young people also typically don’t go and vote
Nice analysis today. Great job.
I'm not sure disenfranchised young people will hold their noses for proto-fascists even if it's in self interest.
My view is that they hold their nose for Starmer because he could make things slightly better and he isn't going to make things dramatically worse. Worst case scenario is more of the same.
Starmer will move Labour further left once he gets in. The country has gone so far right wing you can’t get in with a Corbyn you need a Starmer or Blair first then move it left.
Turning this off after 3 mins, i cant stand the saccharine banter. embarrassing
Please discuss automation more
Sorry I'm lost, trying to understand your meanderings, without context or background?
You guys seem like good friends. I feel like I'm hanging out with you instead of watching a podcast.
Great episode this ✊🏻
"Draught dodger." LOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL
That’s the point though isn’t it? This countries Overton Window isn’t there yet. Any change will have to be a migration over time. There are plans to bring back certain industries. We just have to keep the pressure on to keep progress moving forward.
Can the workers party pull the rug from under the labour party??
The centrist dads are james obrien and ian hislop.
"we might just keep doing it, you and me"
For the love fuck, would you please bring Laura back on the podcast!
🫶
Great British Railways is as state owned enterprise just like British Rail was. I don’t understand the problem with it.
It's the old trick of socialising the risky expensive bit, while keeping the safe profitable bit private
We're still going to be paying massive sums to rent the trains and other rolling stock
It's not really state owned though - it will simply be private companies
Caffè Nero couldn't pay for this level of product placement. Off to Nero now!
I'm happy now, thanks for asking.
Why are you both on your phones ? Is news moving that fast or you get production cues on the phone? 🤷🏼♂️ you need the personal plans off camera it distracts
Can we just get the DIY SOS team in instead
You guys are doing garage is campaign for him, I mean that person I just would rather say garage than - his name. As you are making him credible and serious bravo 👏
Pull back the curtain to reveal the Sturgeon's caravan with a "For Sale" sign !!
Any party that even looks like building loads of houses will come under attack from the oligarchs who have a vested interest in maintaining the shortage and current high valuations.
People never became more conservative as they got older; they became more conservative as they became more prosperous - but now they don't get more prosperous as they get older. They're 35 with student loans on zero hours contracts living in a cupboard in a house shared with 27 other people.
Ava said “semi-canvassing” - not particularly a double entendres
From my limited scope, I really disagree with Ava on the Greens. Here in Mid Beds we have a diverse range of Green members, who seem to be well aware of what their priorities should be. However, we're just one constituency, I'm not sure how the Greens operate elsewhere, but our county councillor, and the members that I've had the pleasure of meeting, are far from a bunch of NIMBYs... I still love podcasts and hate nonces though 😂
I look forward to the search in post for the semi.
Gotta be Helia Ebrahimi.
Talking about great voices, the female half of this show has the greatest laugh on the net
Ava wasn't listening, she was hero worshipping the anti-immigrant glow from Niggle Fromage.
I'll be voting tactically to get the tories out, Labour are slowly turning into "tory lite" so they have a term to keep my vote or it will be someone elses turn.
Is there anything that's not a problem for Starmer according to you lot?
No.
To add to Oli's million houses theory - I think Reform could stand a chance long term if they put proportional representation, or electoral reform as their central policy & tried to pull a Clegg. I reckon there's a lot of people who would grit their teeth and vote to break the 2-party system, even more so in the next election when people see that Labour in government are barely distinguishable from the tories.
Green can win seats and should be given more support by dissatisfied labour voters
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This is total rubbish 🤭
Does this make the goldenboi Emily? Because I love that for him
Really interesting insights. Hopefully we'll get some more pisscast for election balance. Don't want to become too biased to the pro/anti pissers
The centrist dad was blatantly Darren Jones :D
Stop ignoring Wales and Scotland.
To be fair, they just had an interview with the Scottish First Minister, Ed talks about Scotland a fair amount on the pod. But yes Wales is non-existant on PolJoe, I think Oli's position on Wales is well documented...
to be fair, wales are overrepresented if anything. they have the population of Manchester but their own government.
2:27 - Who/what TF is that W⚓?