In a parallel universe Kerry Dixon used this performance to cement a starting place in Mexico 86, won the World Cup scoring a shed load of goals thanks to Barnes and Hoddle constantly setting him up, and is now presenting Match of the Day and selling crisps.
Very sad instead of playing Dixon they took Lineker and Peter Beardsley..thou wonder England could not win the easy 1986 world cup.. Maradona was outstanding but England could beat them if Wilkins was not suspended
@@darrylfernandes4806 yeah Beardsley was rubbish wasn’t he. Went on to achieve nothing in his career…just amazing at Newcastle…Liverpool (he would have won the European cup had they not been banned I’m sure)…Everton..Newcastle…then Fulham in his late 30’s. Lineker and Andy Cole both said he’s the best strike partner they ever had. It was Beardsleys ball against Poland in ‘86 that kickstarted England, and he was a major factor in Italia 90…along with a couple of other ‘Geordies’. Have to agree Dixon was excellent here, and a quality striker for Chelsea..but none of the big teams at the time (Liverpool/Man Utd/arsenal/Everton ) came in for him…so that tells its own story(Hughes left Man Utd, rush left Liverpool, Lineker left Everton….they would have needed a replacement 🤷🏼♂️)
Walkers would never have sponsored King Kerry. They want with the jug eared vvanker because they were both from Leicester. The parallel universe that Kerry needed to save him and transform his life was to sign for Ron Atkinson's Man United and save us all from Fergie's domination. Things worked out very well for CFC and Man United, not so well for either Kerry or Big Ron.
Real collectors item here - Shilton saving a penalty! Great keeper but he rarely ever got near one. Such similarities in that Barnes cross for the third - He'd repeat it a little over twelve months later in the very same stadium - twice for Lineker's goal and 'near' goal against Argentina in the QF.
Bryan Robson was such a great player, if only he hadn't suffered with injuries at key times I think England would have come closer or even won one of those tournaments. He was the heart of the team, such an inspirational leader.
Maybe so but that's not the point. He was very influential and the heartbeat of the team. When he was there they did well, when not the team suffered significantly.@@francisjones174
especially david de gea who makes routine save look spectacular. he would push the ball away, then twist in midair for effect. Unlike Banks or Shilton who would move a step or two and smother the ball
Yeah, the late great Brian Moore, my favourite commentary moment was in the 1998 World Cup when Michael Owen Scored against Argentine, Oooh its a wonderful goal, Lee.
@altovelli08 not hard to be more successful than England tbf. Despite all their titles I've never really enjoyed the German national team like other winners, or even teams that haven't won. French, Dutch, Brazilians and Spanish have produced better teams and players and have been far better to watch. Dutch really should have won loads of titles with the amount of great teams and players they've produced. Germany have been successful but seldom captured the imagination like others. Disciplined and strong, but lacking in fantasy. Like a more successful version of England, though even England have produced some fantasy players here and there.
@altovelli08 some great players, sure, but none I'd pay good money to watch. Not much individual flair but great team play and tactically excellent. They passed and kept the ball really well as a result of Guardiola's influence on the Bayern spine. Brazil were awful in 2014, has to be said. And they were without their two best players. But yes, that 7-1 was something special. I laughed so much during that game - if any team at that WC deserved it it was that dirty Brazil team who'd been so filthy in taking Colombia out of the tournament. But even then I'd put that result down to good pressing, punishing individual mistakes and efficient finishing rather than breathtaking football.
Peter Shilton saves a penalty? Must be pre 1990 then! Italia 90 team with Chris Woods in net would have maybe gave us the 90 World Cup. I loved that Italia 90 team we had but always thought Shilton was too old and our weakest link. His penalty record was awful in that tournament. Penalties against: 8 conceded: 8
Bachittar Singh Lehal actually, the Olaf Thon penalty was poor. Shilton a knowledged a younger keeper like Mark Crossley might have saved it. Bobby Robsons biggest regret was not replacing him for the shoot out
Dave Bassent was the 3rd choice replacing Seaman who got injured in training. Bassent was bigger than Shilton n saved a pen in 1988 cup final. If Bobby Robson did a Van Gael n put him on last minute...perhaps that could cost the Germans a penalty.
@@hywodnsu True, but the blame for that cannot be laid at Robson's door. England have had talent like him, Hoddle, Le Tissier, Scholes etc and a string of England managers have failed miserably to get the best out of them predominantly because they have been frightened of the English media and try and fit other players in to placate the press!
@@KryptonitetoallBS Yes, it's the fault of the press. The press of Argentina, Italy, Germany, France, Brazil, Spain, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Denmark, Holland, Portugal, who have all won something since 1966, must have perfect journalism. Maybe our players are overrated dim-witted under-achievers?
@@hywodnsuIf you read my comments I say " predominantly". There are many other factors, some of which your "overrated" comment applies to! Our media are renowned all over the world for being nasty. Much more so than any of the countries you have quoted. Papers like The Sun have been responsible for many England managers being sacked! Graham "turnip" Taylor being just one 👍
@@KryptonitetoallBS So - you think that the main reason England have not won anything since 1966 is because our useless players are scared of the press? If Graham Taylor has actually won something and the Sun still wanted him sacked, that would have happened would it? If the press suddenly started praising our players despite the results in major tournaments they would start winning would they?
Este encuentro se llevó a cabo en el Estadio Azteca en Cd México en 1985 como preparación de estas dos selecciones nacionales de fútbol para el Mundial México 86. Hubo más aficionados alemanes que ingleses, me consta y ¡muy buen juego!
Such a shame that Bryan Robson only had one World Cup where he was fully fit. You wonder what might have happened in Mexico 86 if he hadn't gotten injured against Morocco
Brandon Wilson definitely. I think he was a bigger loss in 86 though because he was at his peak then. Maybe maradona wouldn’t have had so much freedom in midfield if robbo had been playing.
Mr Kipling imagine an alternate reality. Man Utd aren’t chasing a title in winter 1985. Robbo gets his suspect shoulder fixed without Big Ron forcing him to play, Dodgy shoulder fixed. He plays on instead of Steve Hodge who’s never on the pitch to slice that backpass to Maradona. We win the QF 1-0, Hoddle and Robson score in the SF and we beat the Germans in the final. Ok dream over...
Abbas Zaidi I don’t know if we’d beaten the Germans in the final. Plus Belgium had a good side. Yet we would have had more of a chance against Argentina if robbo had been fit and playing. It would have been 1-1 as well in the QF not 1-0. I don’t think anyone would have stopped maradona scoring the 2nd goal, not even robbo.
Mr Kipling maradona wouldn’t have scored that goal against a deflated England midfield and defence (thank you myopic Tunisian referee). The game would’ve remained attritional until Barnsey came one. He exploited the lack of Argentina’s width. We came alive when he came on and crossed for Linekers goal. And he almost did it again on 87 mins. It’s still my abiding memory of that match watching it when I was 11 years old
I appreciate immensely these football uploads, but, I don't know about anyone else, I'd rather there was no score mentioned in the title or the description. The games are much more enjoyable without knowing the outcome beforehand.
@@nigelhopper9383 I followed England abroad 86-92 and it was 99% Union Jacks. I would say Euro 96 was the pivot point as St George it was 99% from then on.
Woods or beasant would have saved the goal for Germany in the 1990 semi final. Shilton had plenty of time to see it and adjust accordingly but it still looped over him.
Shiltons legs had gone, he couldn't make low saves unless they were at him, a quality keeper in his day but years over the hill at this time, almost decrepit 👴👴
And does anyone remember the first ad on ITV after this programme? Dixons electrical! Think they took a punt and got lucky, but I remember thinking it was funny at the time. Amazing what sticks in your mind after thirty years.
@Aerojet01 The other poster was not really putting Robson on a par with Maradona though. He was just highlighting both of their influence and importance as individuals to their national teams.
I think this match was in a tournament in Mexico , a year before the World cup Mexico 1986, England was strong and brilliant; but, Germany, as usual, reach the final against Argentina , without playing a good football, England team played during this decade 1980-1990, a very beautiful football, but they never reached the titles they deserved.
Barnes setting up the last goal, just as he did v Argentina a year later...yet he was never first choice in that 86 World Cup...Never understood why Bobby Robson omitted Barnes in that tournament
Barnes got caned in his day, just like Sterling when he started for England. Folk have conveniently short memories.When he first came on the scene England had one of the worst teams for ages, can''t remember if it was Euros or WC qualifiers but I do remember that in the qualifiers the games were all tight and England were very average but Barnes either scored or assisted every goal in the group but as he was the outstanding player the other teams were on him and he didnt shine BUT it was him as made the difference in every single game, with either a bit of magic for an assist or actually scoring. Yet all you got in the press was mindless slagging, jut like they did with Sterling. Newspapers have their favourites and they particualrly love a goal scorer who scores lots of goals but whose teams, they fail to notice, don't win too much stuff. Greaves was one, loads of goals not too much in the way of trophies. (heresy)Lineker , Owen, considering their scoring prowess they didnt win that much. Whereas less glam players like Peter Withe Peter Beardsley did.
@Rex makepeace Im not sure about that. When he got older he was so slow. I seen him a few times live when Chelsea played Derby etc and he made mistakes in every match i saw lol. Slow Shilton he was called.
@JONATHAN SUTCLIFFE Thats your opinion bud. Cloughie would have been a great choice i think. Trouble was he was too outspoken and the posh fairys at the FA didnt like that kind of thing. Taylor would have had to go with him of course. He couldnt so it alone and way back then Taylor wasnt with him and so we would never know would we. Like the American boxers seem to be good at SHOULD HAVE,COULD HAVE lol.
What a colorful red England uniform. They should have played the entire 1986 World Cup with this uniform which historically brought you very good results
Love the Mexico 86esque colours and mandatory camera angles, one after another. Magic. Germans should have had one early one, Shilts did well in this one
Get well soon Jimmy Greaves. If only he could pronounce new boy Gary Lineker's name properly (Channon was worse for that!). Still, one year later, the whole world knew GL!
Linekar scored 38 goals in 52 games for Everton, Dixon for Chelsea got 23 in 51. Just in the league, Linekar got 30 in 41 games, Dixon got 14 in 38. Dixon was in the squad for the World Cup in Mexico. He wrote about the privilege of seeing Maradona's wonder goal from the bench in his autobiography.
Back in my Gambling days England were 7-4 to win this match which was an absolute steal considering the Germans only arrived in Mexico the day before the match. England had played Mexico a few days earlier...
That pitched looked awful... like it hadn't seen water for weeks. It doesn't have to rain for it to be watered! What the hell had the groundstaff been doing? Nothing, by the looks of it.
Shilton got well over 100 caps for England, and remember he lost his place to Clemence for about 70 games too before getting the gloves back. Phenomenal keeper.
Five years later, at Italia 90, and Shilton never got near Brehmer's penalty nor did he get near his deflected free kick. 5 years past his best. The other penalties in the shoot-out, Shilton was nowhere near, too. He was also responsible for letting in Poland's goal in '73 depriving England of a world cup place.
In that WC 90 semifinal match, his anticipation (guessing) of the ball direction was always right, but the ball was just always beyond reach of his one arm.
Not wanting to take the gloss off of this victory but Germany had only just arrived in Mexico and were jetlagged. One of their players said afterwards that the team were on the brink of exhaustion by the final whistle.
Yes remember it well, Back in the days when I liked a flutter England were 7-4 to win this game and knowing the Germans had only just arrived in Mexico I had a nice touch on England....One of my occasional successes gambling
Englands Statistik gegen Deutschland ist sogar positiv... in qualifikations und freundschaftsspielen haben sie uns oft geschlagen.. 1990 und 1996 war auch Lotterie.. 2000 bei der Euro haben sie auch gewonnen und 2001 im qualispiel und 2021 bei der euro..
Just read a comment that apparently England don't do this kind of thing against Germany in competitive matches.....I think Michael Owen might disagree on that somehow.
Not really it kinda confirms it. We beat them in a qualifier match 5-1. They always beat us when we face them in tournament knockout games. Partly because Germany are awesome partly because England stiffen up and shit their pants when we play them. After 1990 England have genuinely frozen whenever we played Germany, they really have us by the balls technically and psychologically. The Germans are much more interested in Germany v Holland to be honest, it's got a lot more recent history and it's usually a closer game than England give them. They hate each other and it's always been the ruthless efficiency and togetherness of Germany v the technical beauty, total football and divided dressing room of Holland.
***** they don't always beat us in tournament knockouts considering England beat Germany 1-0 in the 2000 Euros when Shearer scored, and I'm also not sure how a flukey deflected OG in WC 1990 as opposed to a decent England goal in the same game, or Germany being 2-0 up in the WC 2010 to then have England score 2 perfectly good goals but only be awarded one counts as "stiffen up and shit their pants." :) To come from behind in both of those games to level in one and should have levelled in the other doesn't seem like the actions of a team that has shit its pants. If anything in the latter game, Germany would be more likely to do that having been 2 up and then gone in at HT at 2-2, as they should have done.
***** If you're going to come out with stuff like "next" as if you are trying to emphasise you have adequately replied to my original point, it might actually be a good idea if you get your facts right and know what you are talking about if you do so, otherwise you only succeed in making yourself look a bit silly. When England beat Germany 1-0 in the 2000 Euros, it was in the second of the group games, where at the time after each team had only played one game, Portugal had 3 points, Germany and Romania had 1 point each and England had no points. That means there were still potentially a maximum of 7 points for Germany to reach or 6 points for for England, so quite how you assess that as a "A POINTLESS DEAD RUBBER GROUP MATCH" is beyond me. Er, NEXT!
When Terry Butcher was through one on one with Schumacher, my thoughts went back to 3 years earlier when Schumacher took out Battiston with a professional foul. I’m sure he looked at Butcher and thought, mm I best not.
Can’t wait to see replay of the 1966 World Cup final that England won , has only been on TV, about 20,000,000 times , and as it is unlikely that they will ever win it again , let’s endure it once more 😁
It was actually a great game, and certainly one of the best finals ever. So, if you're not a fan of classic games, then you're not a football fan at all - which begs the question; wtf are you even doing here? 🤪
Robson made the mistake of taking Hately over Dixon, when Dixon had been the leading goalscorer in division One in both 85 and 86. Unfortunately for Dixon, was his stomach injury caused during the FA cup match in nJanuary 86 against Liverpool. Took him the rest of the season to recover, and sadly, never quite the same player after.
To be honest, it wasn't that surprising that England won so easily. The West Germany team had only arrived in Mexico that morning after a thirteen-plus hour flight. They were sleep-deprived and jet-lagged, so if ever there was going to be an easy chance to beat them, this was it.
Shilton gets a lot of stick for not saving a penalty against the Germans at Italia 90, but i don't recall Seaman getting any stick for not saving a German penalty in 96, and he faced one more than Shilton
Bachittar Singh Lehal no he wasn't, Neville Southall was. Don't pin greatness on international appearances otherwise George Best wouldn't feature as a great now would he..!
And so he rightly should be remembered for that foul. And Big Nev was the best in Europe in 85 hands down and I'm a Red. Can't comment on the rest of the world mind.
HankMorgan Nev all the way. Shilton was solid too. But Southall was a wall. Schumacher??? Comes clattering out feet first every time, nearly killed Battiston and his ‘challenge’ on Robson in this match was another act of cowardice. A dismal excuse of a professional. And don’t fall for his “are you okay mate” routine, post assault. Prud’Homme (sp?) of Belgium was a very capable goalie too. Check out Barbosa football videos on here for some good profiles. Yes, even Harald the Butcher gets a look in, but when compared to Southall’s, his is inferior.
This wasnt a meaningless friendly it was instrumental in helping Robson make a very difficult integration of players. It is very difficult to come up with a cohesive balanced structure to allow you to play so many skillful players. Robson was far and away best manager England ever had. We were robbed in the next year, Maradona scored a great 2nd goal but England were stretched in having to go for it after his hand ball goal. We had the winning of that tourney with a bit more of the rub of the green. No way this a WG B team. Managing t get a team playing good footy with Barnes, Waddle, Hoddle on the same team not easy. With a little bit more luck on injuries we could have nicked the 86. I felt that Anderson was a better back than Stevens, and I believe Alvin Martin got injured too who was a better player than Butcher, Beardsley coming in too. One of Robson's greatest assets was he wasn't too proud to let go of his own A plan and listen to the players takes a big man t do that. But his greatest asset was that he would pick players regardless of their 'class'. Ramsey could be a stuck up prig, he won the world cup but he'd never play the really skillful players, or players who weren't gentlemen or if he did they played without any positive encouragement from him and only when he was up against it.. He wouldn't have played Gascoigne and he'd not have played a team with Hoddle, Barnes, Waddle, Beardsley on at the same time. And I think Southgate's too much like Ramsey for my liking. He wouldn't have played Gazza neither and I don't think he'll play Grealish, cos he's an oik, not polite enough, likes a cap doffer does mr Southgate, just what the poshies in the FA like. There should be 2 England teams an oik one and nicey one. Or bring back the B internationals, I'd love t see a B team with the likes of Deeney and Murray of Brighton playing together.
Agree with much of this but you are wrong about Southgate not playing Gazza. Southgate is on record as saying Gascoigne was the best player he ever played with.
Southgate is still emotionally scarred by his own penalty miss and is one of the most timid managers to be in charge. Which truthfully, is a polite way of saying he's a natural born loser. But what always angered me about Robson, was his blind insistence on preferring Hatley to Kerry Dixon. Dixon was a goal machine and he set up an equal number of chances and goals too. R.I.P Sir Bobby
this is the classic case of the best team losing; but england took their chances real well, whilst germany missed a penalty, hit the bar twice & generally controlled the match throughout.
In a parallel universe Kerry Dixon used this performance to cement a starting place in Mexico 86, won the World Cup scoring a shed load of goals thanks to Barnes and Hoddle constantly setting him up, and is now presenting Match of the Day and selling crisps.
Very sad instead of playing Dixon they took Lineker and Peter Beardsley..thou wonder England could not win the easy 1986 world cup.. Maradona was outstanding but England could beat them if Wilkins was not suspended
@@darrylfernandes4806 yeah Beardsley was rubbish wasn’t he. Went on to achieve nothing in his career…just amazing at Newcastle…Liverpool (he would have won the European cup had they not been banned I’m sure)…Everton..Newcastle…then Fulham in his late 30’s.
Lineker and Andy Cole both said he’s the best strike partner they ever had. It was Beardsleys ball against Poland in ‘86 that kickstarted England, and he was a major factor in Italia 90…along with a couple of other ‘Geordies’.
Have to agree Dixon was excellent here, and a quality striker for Chelsea..but none of the big teams at the time (Liverpool/Man Utd/arsenal/Everton ) came in for him…so that tells its own story(Hughes left Man Utd, rush left Liverpool, Lineker left Everton….they would have needed a replacement 🤷🏼♂️)
@@darrylfernandes4806 Wilkins wasn't suspended. He was left out of the quater final.
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Walkers would never have sponsored King Kerry. They want with the jug eared vvanker because they were both from Leicester.
The parallel universe that Kerry needed to save him and transform his life was to sign for Ron Atkinson's Man United and save us all from Fergie's domination. Things worked out very well for CFC and Man United, not so well for either Kerry or Big Ron.
Real collectors item here - Shilton saving a penalty! Great keeper but he rarely ever got near one.
Such similarities in that Barnes cross for the third - He'd repeat it a little over twelve months later in the very same stadium - twice for Lineker's goal and 'near' goal against Argentina in the QF.
Bryan Robson was such a great player, if only he hadn't suffered with injuries at key times I think England would have come closer or even won one of those tournaments. He was the heart of the team, such an inspirational leader.
Key times? Check the stats - he missed HALF of games during the timespan of his career through injuries
Maybe so but that's not the point. He was very influential and the heartbeat of the team. When he was there they did well, when not the team suffered significantly.@@francisjones174
love the way Shilton caught the free kick, a skill no longer in evidence these days
dutchy777 or keeps coming out for corners they too scared now days
@Kani Fuker but the midget had his arm extended so was no longer a midget
especially david de gea who makes routine save look spectacular. he would push the ball away, then twist in midair for effect. Unlike Banks or Shilton who would move a step or two and smother the ball
Great to hear Brian Moore as commentator.....
Yeah, the late great Brian Moore, my favourite commentary moment was in the 1998 World Cup when Michael Owen Scored against Argentine, Oooh its a wonderful goal, Lee.
Kenneth Wolstenholme was a legend too.
Brian Moore was a fabulous commentator! I always thought of him as the excitable grandpa!
And Mick Channon.
Gary Lineker said after the 1990 world cup that he had never seen Shilton save a penalty...yes he did
The Germans were always a different proposition when tournament time rolled around.
Not this time
@Billis Lopez ...Germany got to final and England 1/4s .......
@altovelli08 not hard to be more successful than England tbf. Despite all their titles I've never really enjoyed the German national team like other winners, or even teams that haven't won. French, Dutch, Brazilians and Spanish have produced better teams and players and have been far better to watch. Dutch really should have won loads of titles with the amount of great teams and players they've produced.
Germany have been successful but seldom captured the imagination like others. Disciplined and strong, but lacking in fantasy. Like a more successful version of England, though even England have produced some fantasy players here and there.
@altovelli08 some great players, sure, but none I'd pay good money to watch. Not much individual flair but great team play and tactically excellent. They passed and kept the ball really well as a result of Guardiola's influence on the Bayern spine.
Brazil were awful in 2014, has to be said. And they were without their two best players. But yes, that 7-1 was something special. I laughed so much during that game - if any team at that WC deserved it it was that dirty Brazil team who'd been so filthy in taking Colombia out of the tournament.
But even then I'd put that result down to good pressing, punishing individual mistakes and efficient finishing rather than breathtaking football.
@@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820 They literally just stepped off the plane here before this match.
Robson getting injured at the 86 WC was a big loss and Shilton saving a German penalty, now there's a collectors item.
Peter Shilton saves a penalty? Must be pre 1990 then! Italia 90 team with Chris Woods in net would have maybe gave us the 90 World Cup. I loved that Italia 90 team we had but always thought Shilton was too old and our weakest link. His penalty record was awful in that tournament. Penalties against: 8 conceded: 8
Nancy Fraps shilton was the best keeper at italia 90 not even lev yashin could save those german penalties
Bachittar Singh Lehal actually, the Olaf Thon penalty was poor. Shilton a knowledged a younger keeper like Mark Crossley might have saved it. Bobby Robsons biggest regret was not replacing him for the shoot out
it was very unlikely Yashin would have saved those penalties in 1990 he would have been 61 by then
Dave Bassent was the 3rd choice replacing Seaman who got injured in training. Bassent was bigger than Shilton n saved a pen in 1988 cup final. If Bobby Robson did a Van Gael n put him on last minute...perhaps that could cost the Germans a penalty.
If only England had a young Bryan Robson now. What a player!
And just like every other living England player (save a few aged survivors from 1966) won absolutely nothing playing for England.
@@hywodnsu True, but the blame for that cannot be laid at Robson's door. England have had talent like him, Hoddle, Le Tissier, Scholes etc and a string of England managers have failed miserably to get the best out of them predominantly because they have been frightened of the English media and try and fit other players in to placate the press!
@@KryptonitetoallBS Yes, it's the fault of the press. The press of Argentina, Italy, Germany, France, Brazil, Spain, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Denmark, Holland, Portugal, who have all won something since 1966, must have perfect journalism. Maybe our players are overrated dim-witted under-achievers?
@@hywodnsuIf you read my comments I say " predominantly". There are many other factors, some of which your "overrated" comment applies to! Our media are renowned all over the world for being nasty. Much more so than any of the countries you have quoted. Papers like The Sun have been responsible for many England managers being sacked! Graham "turnip" Taylor being just one 👍
@@KryptonitetoallBS So - you think that the main reason England have not won anything since 1966 is because our useless players are scared of the press? If Graham Taylor has actually won something and the Sun still wanted him sacked, that would have happened would it? If the press suddenly started praising our players despite the results in major tournaments they would start winning would they?
Este encuentro se llevó a cabo en el Estadio Azteca en Cd México en 1985 como preparación de estas dos selecciones nacionales de fútbol para el Mundial México 86. Hubo más aficionados alemanes que ingleses, me consta y ¡muy buen juego!
Pienso que ganarán los próximos 6 mundiales la Inglaterra
Schumacher great keeper, pity he never had a one on one with Duncan Ferguson, 😡😵😴
Colin Robinson
Indeed.
Or Billy Whitehurst. That, I’d love to have seen.
NOW NOW LADDIE--KEEP IT CLEAN.
Schumacher was a dirty fucker
Ask battiston
Couldn’t imagine big Dunc being put through 1on1 tbh, more like an elbow from a cross or just a fight tbh
Such a shame that Bryan Robson only had one World Cup where he was fully fit. You wonder what might have happened in Mexico 86 if he hadn't gotten injured against Morocco
Mr Kipling same in 1990, Bobby Robson said same thing mate. He was so influential..
Brandon Wilson definitely. I think he was a bigger loss in 86 though because he was at his peak then. Maybe maradona wouldn’t have had so much freedom in midfield if robbo had been playing.
Mr Kipling imagine an alternate reality. Man Utd aren’t chasing a title in winter 1985. Robbo gets his suspect shoulder fixed without Big Ron forcing him to play, Dodgy shoulder fixed. He plays on instead of Steve Hodge who’s never on the pitch to slice that backpass to Maradona. We win the QF 1-0, Hoddle and Robson score in the SF and we beat the Germans in the final. Ok dream over...
Abbas Zaidi I don’t know if we’d beaten the Germans in the final. Plus Belgium had a good side. Yet we would have had more of a chance against Argentina if robbo had been fit and playing. It would have been 1-1 as well in the QF not 1-0. I don’t think anyone would have stopped maradona scoring the 2nd goal, not even robbo.
Mr Kipling maradona wouldn’t have scored that goal against a deflated England midfield and defence (thank you myopic Tunisian referee). The game would’ve remained attritional until Barnsey came one. He exploited the lack of Argentina’s width. We came alive when he came on and crossed for Linekers goal. And he almost did it again on 87 mins. It’s still my abiding memory of that match watching it when I was 11 years old
I appreciate immensely these football uploads, but, I don't know about anyone else, I'd rather there was no score mentioned in the title or the description. The games are much more enjoyable without knowing the outcome beforehand.
agree wholeheartedly.
Strange how all these England games in the 80s up to about Italia 90 had Britain flags in the crowd rather than England flags.
BRob 2015
True. I had a Union Jack then.
Now I have a black and orange one (Luton Town).
No St George.
@@ewennicolson4342 Would have been a red card today. Schumacher's boot to Robson's head.
Its all you could easily get at the time.
Peoples attitudes to being British/English have changed since them days,all Union flags but gone more trible to St.Georges flags now !!
@@nigelhopper9383 I followed England abroad 86-92 and it was 99% Union Jacks. I would say Euro 96 was the pivot point as St George it was 99% from then on.
Good old Big Kerry Dixon.
marius offing real shame he went off his rocker, he could have been amazing
Ultimately, Robson’s absence in the finals caught up with us.
Dixon was unlucky to not get a sniff, let alone Harford & Hately.
But Hateley did play in the opening 2 matches. Dixon only came on as sub against Poland in 1986.
Schumacher went on to have a great F1 career.
My hero Bryan Robson bossing the germans World class
Lee Christian Andrews ... and missing 2 piss-easy chances too
Can't score em all my friend!!
England always seemed to excel in meaningless games.
Seem
Your Absolutely Right !
Best team in the world outside major tournaments 🌎😂😂😂
Exactly. People love Rooney yet John Stones has more World Cup goals than him! 😂
Little has changed
If only Shilts could have saved German penalties like that in 1990.
Woods or beasant would have saved the goal for Germany in the 1990 semi final. Shilton had plenty of time to see it and adjust accordingly but it still looped over him.
Shiltons legs had gone, he couldn't make low saves unless they were at him, a quality keeper in his day but years over the hill at this time, almost decrepit 👴👴
He was about fifty
@@mrkipling2201 He was just too old by that point.
Dee Jarrett he was definitely.
Terry Butcher doing his best Beckenbauer impersonation there in the build up to the second goal.
the first time ever i see Shilton saves a German penalty
The ONLY bloody time! 😩
mts ts paul cooper of ipswich had a good record at saving pensbut he wasnot england class
Quite possibly the only one he ever did save too. For such a great keeper he had an awful record at pens.
Not a Man U fan but I loved Bryan Robson.
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En el pasado England...bueno, pero ahora...
Es la primera vez q veo este video,ese juego fue en el estadio Azteca,previo al mundial de México 86
And does anyone remember the first ad on ITV after this programme? Dixons electrical! Think they took a punt and got lucky, but I remember thinking it was funny at the time. Amazing what sticks in your mind after thirty years.
OH YEAH ! I DON'T REMEMBER THAT
Dixon scores twice against Germany, England drop Dixon.
In the 80s Robson was to England what Maradona was to Argentina.
Not really. We actually did better in 86 once he got injured.
Maradona was Argentina
@Aerojet01 The other poster was not really putting Robson on a par with Maradona though.
He was just highlighting both of their influence and importance as individuals to their national teams.
shilton actually saving a pen. surely a heat induced mirage.
The only one he ever saved..strange how the flop onto the floor technique never really took oft...
Thanks. Like from Baku city
Over the moon, Ken........... brilliant!
At 6.12 Shilts proves a keeper can catch a ball not pat it back out like todays lot do.
Ben Bentley Peter Shilton came out as gay shortly after the match. I remember it being a big shock after the game!
What?
I think this match was in a tournament in Mexico , a year before the World cup Mexico 1986, England was strong and brilliant; but, Germany, as usual, reach the final against Argentina , without playing a good football, England team played during this decade 1980-1990, a very beautiful football, but they never reached the titles they deserved.
Barnes setting up the last goal, just as he did v Argentina a year later...yet he was never first choice in that 86 World Cup...Never understood why Bobby Robson omitted Barnes in that tournament
Agreed if he were playing longer might've been different
Prone to injury or inconsistency maybe.
Barnes got caned in his day, just like Sterling when he started for England. Folk have conveniently short memories.When he first came on the scene England had one of the worst teams for ages, can''t remember if it was Euros or WC qualifiers but I do remember that in the qualifiers the games were all tight and England were very average but Barnes either scored or assisted every goal in the group but as he was the outstanding player the other teams were on him and he didnt shine BUT it was him as made the difference in every single game, with either a bit of magic for an assist or actually scoring. Yet all you got in the press was mindless slagging, jut like they did with Sterling. Newspapers have their favourites and they particualrly love a goal scorer who scores lots of goals but whose teams, they fail to notice, don't win too much stuff. Greaves was one, loads of goals not too much in the way of trophies. (heresy)Lineker , Owen, considering their scoring prowess they didnt win that much. Whereas less glam players like Peter Withe Peter Beardsley did.
Several of the Argentina team said before the march Barnes was the one england player they feared. Shame he didn't get even 10 more mins.
Chris waddle was far superior to barnes thats why
Was there a sound of Vuvuzala in the background
Giant killer bees, mate.
Raj Nirvan I am homosexual
Only local sound
Iff there was a trophy for games that didn't matter, England would be world champs.
8:42 "Over the moon, Ken". I miss the old footie cliches.
Over the parrot sick as the moon.. Then again the bowler is Holden the batsmans Willey.
How could l have forgotten this?
One of the penaltys Shilton actually managed to save. He was useless at saving them!.
Still diving now for those pens from 1990 now
@Rex makepeace Im not sure about that. When he got older he was so slow. I seen him a few times live when Chelsea played Derby etc and he made mistakes in every match i saw lol. Slow Shilton he was called.
@JONATHAN SUTCLIFFE Best england manager they never had was Brian Clough.
@JONATHAN SUTCLIFFE Thats your opinion bud. Cloughie would have been a great choice i think. Trouble was he was too outspoken and the posh fairys at the FA didnt like that kind of thing. Taylor would have had to go with him of course. He couldnt so it alone and way back then Taylor wasnt with him and so we would never know would we. Like the American boxers seem to be good at SHOULD HAVE,COULD HAVE lol.
A great side , that English team was...
Shilts couldn't get near one when it mattered in '90 though.
What a colorful red England uniform. They should have played the entire 1986 World Cup with this uniform which historically brought you very good results
Too hot. Playing with a red shirt in Monterrey?
@@ab8588 Umbro made the England team shirts out of a special , lighter weight material that helped sweat escape through the fabric.
It's not a 'uniform', it's a 'kit'. 🙄
Je préfère le rouge au blanc, surtout l'Admiral de 1980 - 82.
Love the Mexico 86esque colours and mandatory camera angles, one after another. Magic. Germans should have had one early one, Shilts did well in this one
Get well soon Jimmy Greaves. If only he could pronounce new boy Gary Lineker's name properly (Channon was worse for that!). Still, one year later, the whole world knew GL!
Oh what Gary Line Acre?
That was the joke! They were mocking Channon and his West Country pronunciation of Lineker's surname.
Jesus...... I winced when Robson clatters into Harold Schumacher
2 great goalkeepers playing....
On this form why did Kerry Dixon never make it to Mexico 86?
Kerry did make the squad but only made a 5 mins substitute appearance against Poland. Definitely should have had more caps for England.
Linekar scored 38 goals in 52 games for Everton, Dixon for Chelsea got 23 in 51. Just in the league, Linekar got 30 in 41 games, Dixon got 14 in 38.
Dixon was in the squad for the World Cup in Mexico. He wrote about the privilege of seeing Maradona's wonder goal from the bench in his autobiography.
He did go in 86 just didn’t play
7:39 Uh.. Schumacher almost did it again.
Great performance by England including a rare Shilton penalty save...
Back in my Gambling days England were 7-4 to win this match which was an absolute steal considering the Germans only arrived in Mexico the day before the match. England had played Mexico a few days earlier...
dlamiss you imagined this, Germans arrived 3 months before
my comment is correct
Only time I saw Shilton save a pen.Remember watching this game the Germans hadn’t long landed in Mexico that’s why they looked tired.Still a good win.
Funny how old games were played in much sunnier and hotter weather.
That pitched looked awful... like it hadn't seen water for weeks. It doesn't have to rain for it to be watered! What the hell had the groundstaff been doing? Nothing, by the looks of it.
@@sunnyjim1355 Interesting fact Mexico city is built on a swamp and Cortez annihilated the Aztecs.
Shilton got well over 100 caps for England, and remember he lost his place to Clemence for about 70 games too before getting the gloves back. Phenomenal keeper.
125 I think
Five years later, at Italia 90, and Shilton never got near Brehmer's penalty nor did he get near his deflected free kick. 5 years past his best. The other penalties in the shoot-out, Shilton was nowhere near, too. He was also responsible for letting in Poland's goal in '73 depriving England of a world cup place.
Give me Shilton over Clemence any day
In that WC 90 semifinal match, his anticipation (guessing) of the ball direction was always right, but the ball was just always beyond reach of his one arm.
KERRY!
Fantastic Everton involvement.
Yeah.. there was Paul Bracewell too coming on from the bench.
The Germans only arrived in Mexico half a day before this game
It doesn't take long to put footy boots and kit on, no excuse.
@bomber command Just a point that Germany win when it matters in case you haven't noticed.
England was a very strong team, should have merited at least the semi finals in that world cup
Cheated by Prima Dona
Without that hand, was possible
Not wanting to take the gloss off of this victory but Germany had only just arrived in Mexico and were jetlagged. One of their players said afterwards that the team were on the brink of exhaustion by the final whistle.
Yes remember it well, Back in the days when I liked a flutter England were 7-4 to win this game and knowing the Germans had only just arrived in Mexico I had a nice touch on England....One of my occasional successes gambling
Ye ye ye and my dad was playing
Magic, mustard and we’re all over the moon Jim!
England wins a football game and this against Germany?
The video is very unbelievable.
Englands Statistik gegen Deutschland ist sogar positiv... in qualifikations und freundschaftsspielen haben sie uns oft geschlagen.. 1990 und 1996 war auch Lotterie.. 2000 bei der Euro haben sie auch gewonnen und 2001 im qualispiel und 2021 bei der euro..
Schumacher...what a sportsman.
I don’t remember this game. I think it was a pre World Cup friendly.
3:54 Shilton saves a penalty ! awesome !
Bobby Robson "Legend"
Just read a comment that apparently England don't do this kind of thing against Germany in competitive matches.....I think Michael Owen might disagree on that somehow.
Not really it kinda confirms it. We beat them in a qualifier match 5-1. They always beat us when we face them in tournament knockout games. Partly because Germany are awesome partly because England stiffen up and shit their pants when we play them. After 1990 England have genuinely frozen whenever we played Germany, they really have us by the balls technically and psychologically. The Germans are much more interested in Germany v Holland to be honest, it's got a lot more recent history and it's usually a closer game than England give them. They hate each other and it's always been the ruthless efficiency and togetherness of Germany v the technical beauty, total football and divided dressing room of Holland.
***** they don't always beat us in tournament knockouts considering England beat Germany 1-0 in the 2000 Euros when Shearer scored, and I'm also not sure how a flukey deflected OG in WC 1990 as opposed to a decent England goal in the same game, or Germany being 2-0 up in the WC 2010 to then have England score 2 perfectly good goals but only be awarded one counts as "stiffen up and shit their pants." :)
To come from behind in both of those games to level in one and should have levelled in the other doesn't seem like the actions of a team that has shit its pants. If anything in the latter game, Germany would be more likely to do that having been 2 up and then gone in at HT at 2-2, as they should have done.
amazed66 Right ye cos that was a knockout tournament match. SORRY THOUGHT IT WAS A POINTLESS DEAD RUBBER GROUP MATCH. NEXT!
***** If you're going to come out with stuff like "next" as if you are trying to emphasise you have adequately replied to my original point, it might actually be a good idea if you get your facts right and know what you are talking about if you do so, otherwise you only succeed in making yourself look a bit silly.
When England beat Germany 1-0 in the 2000 Euros, it was in the second of the group games, where at the time after each team had only played one game, Portugal had 3 points, Germany and Romania had 1 point each and England had no points.
That means there were still potentially a maximum of 7 points for Germany to reach or 6 points for for England, so quite how you assess that as a "A POINTLESS DEAD RUBBER GROUP MATCH" is beyond me.
Er, NEXT!
+amazed66 thanks for showing how facts and common sense defeat half truths an flies
line e-acre. love it.
What was this tournament
I remember this game, it rightly felt like a walkover. Looking back on it again here though, the Germans were'nt that bad. England clearly fitter
Barleybreakingeven England were using performance enhancing drugs apparently
Only time I ever saw Shilton save a penalty.
Where is the crowd?
What was Butcher doing up there? lol
Where was this Shilton in 1990?
Shilton was past his prime, even at WC 86 or at least Euro 88. Chris Woods should have taken over him.
What a performance from Shilts.
When Terry Butcher was through one on one with Schumacher, my thoughts went back to 3 years earlier when Schumacher took out Battiston with a professional foul. I’m sure he looked at Butcher and thought, mm I best not.
7:39 He basically almost did it again.. to Robson.
Robson what a man
Can’t wait to see replay of the 1966 World Cup final that England won , has only been on TV, about 20,000,000 times , and as it is unlikely that they will ever win it again , let’s endure it once more 😁
It was actually a great game, and certainly one of the best finals ever. So, if you're not a fan of classic games, then you're not a football fan at all - which begs the question; wtf are you even doing here? 🤪
Robson made the mistake of taking Hately over Dixon, when Dixon had been the leading goalscorer in division One in both 85 and 86. Unfortunately for Dixon, was his stomach injury caused during the FA cup match in nJanuary 86 against Liverpool. Took him the rest of the season to recover, and sadly, never quite the same player after.
Andreas Brehme having a penalty saved. Five years later his penalty would be the only goal in the 1990 World Cup Final.
Yep, he kept them low in the corners after this one
I can remember this,at one point the commentator feels sorry for Germany as they arrived late and hadn’t acclimatised
Empty stands ....get used to it people😖😖😖😖😖
Good to see plenty of social distancing in the crowd,
To be honest, it wasn't that surprising that England won so easily. The West Germany team had only arrived in Mexico that morning after a thirteen-plus hour flight. They were sleep-deprived and jet-lagged, so if ever there was going to be an easy chance to beat them, this was it.
havstormer stop lying, England destroyed them due to being the best team in the world
You mean jet lagered.
This should have been the World Cup Final the following year, the Germans got there but England were cheated out of it.
Can't remember this.
How many times.have.robson and.hoddle played.together?
I don't know how many, but the last time is at Euro 88.
Kerry Dixon did not play in the WC?
Brian Moore seems overly excited in his commentary about this friendly ..
No game against Germany is a friendly!!!
6.06 thats the biggest distance Ifrom a free kick I've ever fukn seen!!!
"He's such a competitor, I'd 'ave 'im in my team, even if he was 'aaaaaaaaalf fit."
Wow, Shilton made a save! I'm in shock
TBF he had a superb game
Look at the crowds.
Shilton gets a lot of stick for not saving a penalty against the Germans at Italia 90, but i don't recall Seaman getting any stick for not saving a German penalty in 96, and he faced one more than Shilton
Makes you wonder how 1986 World Cup might have been with a fit Robson.
When it came to le crunch in 86..up stepped Diego
That Pitch looks a bit bumpy
Schumacher was the best keeper in the world from 1980 to 1986
but he is always going to be remembered for that batiston foul
Bachittar Singh Lehal no he wasn't, Neville Southall was. Don't pin greatness on international appearances otherwise George Best wouldn't feature as a great now would he..!
I see the drug problem is still rife on Merseyside .Southall the best in the world :-)
Funny you can get the word "Scum" from his surname-just about sums him up & thankfully both Italy & Argentina punished him....
And so he rightly should be remembered for that foul. And Big Nev was the best in Europe in 85 hands down and I'm a Red. Can't comment on the rest of the world mind.
HankMorgan
Nev all the way. Shilton was solid too. But Southall was a wall.
Schumacher??? Comes clattering out feet first every time, nearly killed Battiston and his ‘challenge’ on Robson in this match was another act of cowardice. A dismal excuse of a professional. And don’t fall for his “are you okay mate” routine, post assault.
Prud’Homme (sp?) of Belgium was a very capable goalie too. Check out Barbosa football videos on here for some good profiles. Yes, even Harald the Butcher gets a look in, but when compared to Southall’s, his is inferior.
Can't believe I didn't buy a mexico86 England shirt when umbro reissued them in 2010🤦
Great game at the Azteca?. 15 yrs after the historic game in 1970 at Leon.
This wasnt a meaningless friendly it was instrumental in helping Robson make a very difficult integration of players. It is very difficult to come up with a cohesive balanced structure to allow you to play so many skillful players. Robson was far and away best manager England ever had. We were robbed in the next year, Maradona scored a great 2nd goal but England were stretched in having to go for it after his hand ball goal. We had the winning of that tourney with a bit more of the rub of the green. No way this a WG B team. Managing t get a team playing good footy with Barnes, Waddle, Hoddle on the same team not easy. With a little bit more luck on injuries we could have nicked the 86. I felt that Anderson was a better back than Stevens, and I believe Alvin Martin got injured too who was a better player than Butcher, Beardsley coming in too. One of Robson's greatest assets was he wasn't too proud to let go of his own A plan and listen to the players takes a big man t do that. But his greatest asset was that he would pick players regardless of their 'class'. Ramsey could be a stuck up prig, he won the world cup but he'd never play the really skillful players, or players who weren't gentlemen or if he did they played without any positive encouragement from him and only when he was up against it.. He wouldn't have played Gascoigne and he'd not have played a team with Hoddle, Barnes, Waddle, Beardsley on at the same time. And I think Southgate's too much like Ramsey for my liking. He wouldn't have played Gazza neither and I don't think he'll play Grealish, cos he's an oik, not polite enough, likes a cap doffer does mr Southgate, just what the poshies in the FA like. There should be 2 England teams an oik one and nicey one. Or bring back the B internationals, I'd love t see a B team with the likes of Deeney and Murray of Brighton playing together.
Nice One. Interesting comments.
Agree with much of this but you are wrong about Southgate not playing Gazza. Southgate is on record as saying Gascoigne was the best player he ever played with.
Southgate is still emotionally scarred by his own penalty miss and is one of the most timid managers to be in charge. Which truthfully, is a polite way of saying he's a natural born loser. But what always angered me about Robson, was his blind insistence on preferring Hatley to Kerry Dixon. Dixon was a goal machine and he set up an equal number of chances and goals too.
R.I.P Sir Bobby
this is the classic case of the best team losing; but england took their chances real well, whilst germany missed a penalty, hit the bar twice & generally controlled the match throughout.
What are you on about England missed 3 sitters 😂
@@ReubenSempleJonesAnd how can you be controlling a match you're losing?!
I forgot how good and small p. Shilton was
Really? how'd u know that?