Was the COLONY WAR Devastating or Negligible? - Starfield Lore

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  • @NefasQS
    @NefasQS  Рік тому +6

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  • @AKlover
    @AKlover Рік тому +39

    The player character can wind up with A kill count totaling similar to various wars mentioned in Starfield due to gameplay mechanics. Every time you splash A pirate ship you are killing at least 2 people. Some of those ships can have 9 or 10 crew.

    • @RobTheDoodler
      @RobTheDoodler Рік тому +2

      When I board it’s sometimes even half a dozen

    • @AKlover
      @AKlover Рік тому

      @@RobTheDoodler Most I remember was 11

    • @Subject_Keter
      @Subject_Keter Рік тому +4

      Then they shouldnt attack you. Not my fault enemies like to do a impression of a fly hitting a car window.

    • @AKlover
      @AKlover Рік тому +2

      @@Subject_Keter I don't remember commenting on the ethics of it. I suggest you get out of the habit of imagining your own subtext. Me personally, I believe initiating aggression should absolutely be met with violence.

    • @Subject_Keter
      @Subject_Keter Рік тому +1

      ​@@AKloverWhat are you on about lol, it not my fault they want to meet their makers.
      You are the person who is trying to make up something that isnt there.

  • @ViciousVioletteLV
    @ViciousVioletteLV Рік тому +24

    I've said this before and I'll say it again...I love these Starfield lore vids. Thanks for the great work on this one!

  • @lonewulfmo9128
    @lonewulfmo9128 Рік тому +6

    I dunno...Some people'd call me a loser, others crazy, i just love listening to your lore videos on my way home from work, psyching myself up for a session to get back into the world.

  • @ImAfemaleNoob2
    @ImAfemaleNoob2 3 місяці тому +4

    One of my biggest issues is how pathetically small the UC and Freestar Collective are. Almost no evidence of a large war due to often empty planets.

    • @Retaurdé
      @Retaurdé 2 місяці тому

      They have to be that small for there to be 1000 planets.

  • @mlmii1933
    @mlmii1933 Рік тому +23

    Personally I think alot more peopke died on Earth than people think; even the major planets of the settled systems are ... extremely sparsely populated so a war with hundreds of thousands dead probably killed much more percentage wise than any historical war.

    • @joanned8172
      @joanned8172 Рік тому

      Sam Coe says if you take him to NASA for the reveal that billions died on earth. So the evac was not as successful as survivors admit.

    • @Clockwork0nions
      @Clockwork0nions Рік тому +4

      That’s because of Bethesda’s limited ability to do large cities with their engine. In the lore New Atlantis is home to 10’s of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people, yet you’ve probably never seen more than 100 NPCs at any time there.

    • @mlmii1933
      @mlmii1933 Рік тому +5

      @Clockwork0nions ....
      The UC's capital planet has one city with a population of less than a million citizens.
      That indicates a tiny human population.

    • @highlorddarkstar
      @highlorddarkstar Рік тому

      ⁠@@mlmii1933not necessarily a tiny population, it could indicate a spread out population. 100 million per planet is tiny, even if you’ve settled 150 planets (15 billion total). I’d suggest an agrarian economy with 2% in cities.

    • @mlmii1933
      @mlmii1933 Рік тому +5

      @highlorddarkstar ...
      Except that isn't what we are told in the lore or what we can see through environmental storytelling.
      Humanity has settled in six star systems, with a handful of families or corporate outposts scattered throughout the other systems.
      And we are told that the vast majority of outposts that we find on each planet are leftovers from the Colony Wars.

  • @BBRocker75
    @BBRocker75 Рік тому +6

    Amazing lore video. You are helping to understand Starfield.

  • @matt4048
    @matt4048 3 місяці тому +1

    I'm going to make a mod which makes the Bad Jokes series contraband. That stuff should be illegal.

  • @Ljordan093
    @Ljordan093 Рік тому +12

    Don’t understand why Earth didn’t build Noah’s Arks for the animals to be used in farming, domestication and zoos.

    • @death299
      @death299 Рік тому +3

      extreme rush that still resulted in billions of dead people on earth.
      animals are nice, but they don't provide nearly a big enough benefit for survival to justify effectively choosing them over humans, esp when you have no reliable way of properly feeding them and aren't initially sure if you'll even find such a place
      they require immense amounts of extra land and resources compared to a human doing the same tasks

    • @fullmetalpleb
      @fullmetalpleb Рік тому +3

      ​@@death299Also if you can synthisize their meat they have less value as livestock

    • @mgf555
      @mgf555 Рік тому

      they took seeds as u can eat and loot some of earths fruit and some veggies,

  • @sterrre1
    @sterrre1 Рік тому +6

    According to the starfield wiki, the evacuation of Earth was abandoned during the first interstellar war, the Narion war in 2199. Which lead to the death of billions of people, probably the majority of humanity.
    So because of how devastating the Narion war was, the settled systems are severely underpopulated.

    • @NefasQS
      @NefasQS  Рік тому +4

      So as said in the video the Narion War started in 2196, and Earth became desolate in 2203. There is no mention of the Earth evacuations being abandoned due to the Narion War ingame and if you’re referring to the fandom wiki, they don’t cite any sources for this claim.
      Assuming 7 years is enough to cut down humanity’s numbers from billions to millions may be plausible but highly unlikely. And if you’re either faction, you probably want more bodies + good PR for your cause anyway so not sure if either would have abandoned billions.

    • @joanned8172
      @joanned8172 Рік тому +5

      @@NefasQS Sam Coe comments if you take him to NASA where the fate of earth is revealed that billions died.

    • @NefasQS
      @NefasQS  Рік тому +3

      This is true, he refers to "billions of graves" and if "billions of lives" were worth the cost, we're just not sure how many of the ~15 billion speculated humanity has lost. Either way if it's millions or billions left, the Colony War as discussed proved impactful on the Starfield universe.

    • @death299
      @death299 Рік тому

      @@NefasQS it's not going to be anywhere near 15B, the predictions have always been that the population will rise to roughly 11B and then drop like a rock as people die and then go from 7 - 11 -10 -7 stabilizing around 7-8B people in the long run with some years being higher and some lower
      it also doesn't take into account that fewer people are going to be having kids for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is instability, or that once "hey the earth is fucked and we're all going to die" by ALL sides and almost no one arguing that it's overblown and bs that most people aren't going to just have kids with the assumption that in 20 years they'll die a horrific death
      the colony ships we see in game are very...very small so unless they were pumping them out at the expense of the entire world's economic system (which would be the ideal, but let's be honest here, do you really think humans would focus on ships and stop major production for things like phones and cars?) even with a population of 15B you're looking at less than 7 that get out, most without anywhere to properly go as nothing had been established to sustain it yet
      to compare it to IRL, the plan was to exile to madagascar before the settling on what happened, the predictions were that anywhere from 70-90% of the population would die trying to setup an actual living situation, and unlike in starfield madagascar isn't hostile to it's core, it has fertile land, breathable air and some plant and wildlife of it's own
      even if we had the plans and tech they did (without the death of earth thing) it'd take us more than a century to get our population off, and even then alooot of people would die despite the lack of a rush
      even our plans to colonize other planets as it stands atm has a big asterisk of a good chunk of people in the first couple generations will die a horrific death before things become relatively stable (and that's with the support of another ecosystem..earth)
      the logistics of rushing an entire planet off world without any proper arrival destination..then setting up shop with only what you've got on hand? yeah the nature of that is most people die.
      even rudimentary things that are a non issue like getting sick or an infection suddenly become life threatening problems again

  • @theandrew1375
    @theandrew1375 Рік тому +2

    I think the reason that the UC only counts 30k losses in the Colony War because the UC requires you to complete military service to be a citizen (up to 10 years). So anyone who hasn’t completed the service or is living in a colony but not a citizen wouldn’t count including children. Hell, I could see the UC disowning Londinion before destroying it and Vesta wasn’t a part of the UC. I’m guessing since the UC treats citizenship as a special protected thing, deaths could be close to a million or more on their side, but they only counted 30k to make themselves look better for propaganda purposes.

  • @ardaghion
    @ardaghion Рік тому +8

    The main quest makes it plain that most humans are either trying to survive, probably on small colonies, or are placated like in Neon or affluent like in New Atlantis. That's kind of the point of Constellation, a small group that wants to see people explore the galaxy. Exploration is what helped humans cover the Earth but most exploration was for resources of some kind, even in pre-history. Resources includes just about anything humans want to need. I'm leaving a great deal out, otherwise I'd be writing paragraph after paragraph.
    I think that the notion in the game that without a major reason to leave Earth, even with a grav drive, humans wouldn't bother leaving Earth is correct. IMO, we won't ever have grav drives and the costs to colonize beyond our own system will mean humans won't explore the rest of the galaxy.

  • @marcusbergman6116
    @marcusbergman6116 Рік тому +8

    I think only a few milliion - at best 10 - survived Earth.
    That would explain why the cities are still small.

    • @mlmii1933
      @mlmii1933 Рік тому +5

      I agree, plus that makes the war dead numbers more sensible.

    • @joanned8172
      @joanned8172 Рік тому +3

      Sam Coe comments if you take him to NASA for the reveal about earth that billions died.

    • @andrewmcmillan229
      @andrewmcmillan229 Рік тому +2

      It’s just a gameplay limitation IMO. New Atlantis in game isn’t depicted anywhere near what it’s likely to be in lore. Also there are likely many more large cities in the game
      People in game describe Akila City as a backwater when it’s the second largest city in game. This likely means there are larger cities in the freestar collective, Akila just serves as the capital because it was founded there.

    • @death299
      @death299 Рік тому +2

      @@andrewmcmillan229 it is lore wise the second biggest city in the galaxy, and the capital of the FC.
      the lore doesn't actually have new atlantis being all that big

  • @xCherryChuckerx
    @xCherryChuckerx 6 місяців тому +1

    I love these lore videos of yours

  • @adamhymas4620
    @adamhymas4620 7 місяців тому +2

    How many died in Vesta?
    Bethesda world building says a dozen, maybe two.

  • @Jcjcjd-d2o
    @Jcjcjd-d2o 5 місяців тому

    Honestly, this explains why the settled systems is messed up kinda gross well, at least 75 percent of it.

  • @BlackStar250874
    @BlackStar250874 11 місяців тому

    With all that human population before the evacuation, it is easy to say that only a small percentage made it out with colony ships.
    There must have been gruel prioritizing of colonists for sure, there are no ways around that fact. With the amount of time and resources, you could easily do the math with certain parts and countries of Earth. Surviving colonists from Earth would have been calculated in few billions at most.

  • @aliccolo
    @aliccolo Рік тому +2

    I wonder if the war didn't impact the population in another way, in the relative lack of children in the cities of settled systems. There's so few children around the major cities (two kids in Cydonia, two in Hopetown, haven't seen any in Neon at all.) Maybe the war-weariness influenced a generation of adults to not have kids at all.

    • @BBRocker75
      @BBRocker75 Рік тому

      Bethesda games don't include children to avoid kill them. Example: Elder Scrolls Online.

    • @death299
      @death299 Рік тому +1

      bethesda games don't like kids in their games, esp when modders will inevitably come around and make them killable which paints them in a certain light.
      but the war is described by everyone as absolutely devastating, and despite 30k dead on the UC side we know why
      billions died on earth, a fraction escaped and we see the ships that were the colony ships and they're roughly on par with just an aircraft carrier
      even from just context clues like the UC and FC recruitment methods and their extremely willingness to accept legit pirates as captains over recruiting and training new pilots we can see the population of the entire species is likely less than a billion, very very likely closer to 500 million

  • @spartenkiller456
    @spartenkiller456 Рік тому

    It's also possible that the reference of world war 2 being worse then the colony war could be in proportion to population. There was only 2 billion people on the planet in 1939, figures vary, but if we assume a hundred million dead, that's 5 percent of the human population world wide. 2 billion people in 1939 and every single one had a 1 in 20 chance of dying horribly over the the next 7 years. If 10 billion people are in the settled systems (keep in mind we don't know much about house varun, but they are out there, presumably in force,) and 1 in 50 died in the Colony war, it would be twice as deadly as ww2, but nowhere near as far reaching.

  • @XKathXgames
    @XKathXgames 5 місяців тому +1

    I don't think human population is in the billions. Likely only military personnel, politicians, scientists and rich people made it out of Earth. The expense in moving billions off planet would have been too much.

  • @ardaghion
    @ardaghion Рік тому +3

    Why, oh why, are you attacking that poor unarmed UC President?

    • @toasteronleg
      @toasteronleg Рік тому +3

      It's fine. He is clearly unarmed aswell

    • @ardaghion
      @ardaghion Рік тому

      I was serious, wondering if there's a quest to kill the UC President or some other reason beyond simple personal gratification.@@toasteronleg

  • @fullmetalpleb
    @fullmetalpleb Рік тому

    Comment for the algorithm

  • @henrycarlson7514
    @henrycarlson7514 9 місяців тому

    Interesting , Thank You . Why beat up the president?

  • @EA6L33Y3
    @EA6L33Y3 Рік тому

    15:03 why is canada a smaller number but a bigger bar?

  • @Caoimhin93
    @Caoimhin93 Рік тому +1

    So is nobody going to talk about how the game footage at the end of the video is just him ruthlessly beating the shit out of the female president of the United Colonies??? 😂😂😂

  • @Aeolusdallas
    @Aeolusdallas Рік тому

    When you go to the motion on Earth NASA base with Sam he'll tell you billions died on Earth due to the Exodus

  • @Texas240
    @Texas240 Рік тому +2

    4:15 in reality, we're almost at the peak world population, which probably will be less than 9.5 billion before tapering off back down to around 7 billion.
    The birthrate hasn't been sufficient to continue population increase as the next generation comes of reproductive age.
    Unlike some predictions which speculated the population would grow until resources could no longer support growth, it turns out that people just end up not wanting to expend their own personal resources (time and money) having, raising, and caring for enough children to allow for replacement and continued growth of the world population.
    If I only have 1 child instead of the 2.2 required to allow continued growth, I'm able to enjoy being a parent and my family can have a better quality of life with less expense of more children.
    Or, I enjoy my work hobbies enough that devoting time and money to having children along with a change away from the lifestyle I enjoy is unappealing.
    Or, I live in China and was only allowed 1 child.
    Or, I live in China and the One Child Policy led to the unbalanced male to female ratio such that there aren't enough women for a notable percentage of men to partner with.
    Etc.
    We're almost at the highest population humanity will reach on Earth.

  • @trixdahalt
    @trixdahalt Рік тому

    13:59, what is that noise 😂

  • @Jcjcjd-d2o
    @Jcjcjd-d2o 5 місяців тому

    Funny.

  • @invaderjoshua6280
    @invaderjoshua6280 2 місяці тому

    Considering only a couple million humans survived Earth, it would be pretty bad to lose a few thousand even.
    BTW why doesn't the game do a better job of explaining the universes backstory? Its said earth has fallen a lot but unless you really read books in game and study the lore, you don't realize how bad this universe got during that. Only a small sliver of humanity actually survived Earth falling.

  • @hawaiiangaming8086
    @hawaiiangaming8086 Рік тому

    Man i wish humanity save some dogs and cat or other animals form earth

  • @superdupergrover9857
    @superdupergrover9857 Рік тому +6

    I'm sorry, but with the lead time indicated in the lore, there's no way cats, dogs and cows weren't taken off of Earth. Humanity loves these species far too much to leave them behind. They could end up being relatively rare, a species **might** end up going extinct due to disease or accidents, but even then I doubt the latter two could happen. At least for the classic farm animals and more popular smallish pets.

    • @mlmii1933
      @mlmii1933 Рік тому +4

      At the very least the DNA would have survived and cloning would have been used.

    • @death299
      @death299 Рік тому +1

      we love them, but as a species we're not taking dogs/cats over say...the population of maui.
      there was alot of lead time yes, but it was still a struggle to get what humans off the planet that could and billions died with only a fraction making it off
      not even farmers who make a living off of cows are going to bring a few cows over their neighbors.

    • @death299
      @death299 Рік тому

      ​@@mlmii1933 with what tech? it wasn't discovered until relatively recently and was almost immediately banned for use.
      and when you're struggling to make room for needed supplies and human passengers, where do you plan to put this giant database of DNA samples?

    • @mlmii1933
      @mlmii1933 Рік тому

      @death299 ...
      In the same place we keep them in real life, underground vaults.
      After all it's not like Earth can't be visited or that that the computer tech they were using didn't survive even unshielded.

    • @death299
      @death299 Рік тому

      @@mlmii1933 the computers at nasa are shielded though, and did you miss that 99% of them DON'T work and are physically damaged?
      Including those fairly deep beneath the surface
      Moreover, how do you plan to sfely power those vaults until someone (hopefully) returns? Since things like the seed bault running out of power kills all of it. (Well assuming the permafrost goes missing...which in starfield it did)

  • @sobasically2299
    @sobasically2299 7 місяців тому

    Compared to ww2 the colony war is very small

  • @anthonyvasquez486
    @anthonyvasquez486 Рік тому

    You know, this is were the AI in real life would could come into play in games like this, we could ask a NPC or even have a conversation with in the game world, wouldn't that be something, thank god for all you folks on UA-cam schooling,- HAAAA

  • @msxbrc
    @msxbrc Рік тому

    I can give you a pretty grim estimate of the loss of earth population. If you go to New Altantis, there are 2 people in the residential district admiring the view. From what they are saying it become clear it was freaking devastating.
    - They say new atlantis is the biggest human city, and that it match old earth big cities in size, but it is the only one on Jameson...
    - So Big cities today are usually are 10th of millions of people.
    - If you consider the challenge of building interstaller ships for millions of people, is easy to see that it is just not possible to save more than neccessary...
    - Soooooo, most human population died on earth... Billions of them nearly all probably, how do you want to have the production capacity for ships for even 1 billion passenger in just like 50 years until doom????
    - So based on those two's dialogue, Humanity population spread accross the stars is very small, with the main capital being like maybe 10 or 20millions people, even being generous like 50millions... if you consider Neon and Akila being smaller than NA, The total is probably under 500 millions people. :D

  • @laus3543
    @laus3543 Рік тому

    I love these videos but I think you need to look into vocal fry as it makes you sound very uninterested and can be quite grating for some

  • @SuaveRenegade
    @SuaveRenegade Рік тому

    Pfff... that graph at 15:05 is so weird looking. The US lost more people than Canada did but Canada's bar is longer than the US'. Also China lost 20 Million on their own, yet their bar is like a third of a Germany's who had 9 million. XD

    • @vadicus-tcp
      @vadicus-tcp 2 місяці тому

      It's a percentage of the Country's population that's why. Canada has a very very low population compared to the US thus showing a higher percentage of the country's total population that died.

  • @MrEDMEDM
    @MrEDMEDM Рік тому +1

    stop trying to make your voice deep bro, your normal voice would probably be better.

  • @OsamaBin.Smokin
    @OsamaBin.Smokin 2 місяці тому

    8:43 that girl is Emma Wilcox I love how they only had limited child character models