Cinescope or Widescreen - Which is Better?
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- When building a home theater, one of the considerations is what aspect ratio will your screen be in. Today I'll share why I chose to go with a 2.35:1 cinescope screen in my home theater. Enter the 50,000 Subscriber Giveaway for your chance to win a Valencia Verona Theater Seat - www.youthmanreviews.com/giveaway.
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Screw you guys, I'm gonna setup my projection screen in 9:16 so I can watch my favorite TikTok videos in the correct aspect ratio.
Hahaha love it
@@Youthman Thanks!
@@Youthman I need one to make it look like an CinemaScope
Best comment ever!!! 😜😂😂😂
Enjoyed the trip through your home theater history. Makes us all feel better about this journey we have embarked on. Keep on keepin on.
Very good information. Really like the clarity with which you convey the concept.
Great video Youthman! I always learn alot when watching your videos. Keep up the great work.
Thanks! That means a lot to hear I am providing value to you.
I started (4 years ago) with a 104" diagonal 16x9 fixed frame screen, then added DIY motorized horizontal masking for scope films. Wasn't satisfied with the size of scope films on the 16x9 screen so I added a 115" wide motorized 2.39 scope screen to drop down over the 16x9 screen. A few weeks later added a JVC NX7 and DCR lens. Having 2 screens is Win-Win-Win!
If you have a "tall" room, then 16:9 is bigger, if you have a wide room, with not much height, than 2.39 could be better. I prefer to have as big screen as possible, my ceiling is 3,8m high, and the width of the wall I can use is a bit less than 3m, so I went for the 16:9.
I wanted to go CinemaScope, but changed my mind at the last minute. In all honesty I regret that now as I only watch movies on the theater room to save the globe for special occasions and watch TV on my 75”. Lessons learned I guess.
I’d love to try building a screen like yours!!
Great video, as usual. I know this clears up a lot for people.
Great video and excellent explanation of the 16:9 and 2.35:1 aspect ratio. We don’t watch much sports, so the immersive experience of 2.4:1 ratio best fits our family’s preference. Thanks for great content👍👍
Thank you for the kind words Harris
By now i think i know this tings, but now i learn some new thinks. Great and helpful video! :)
Cinemascope!!! Something about not seeing black bars looks so good when watching movies. It just looks right
Absolutely!
Unless your movie is in a different ratio
@@whiteandnerdytuba True. But more than likely the movie is in scope. I can deal with a 16x9 image on my 2.35:1 screen once in a while.
I agree! 2.35:1 looks like GOD'S aspect ratio. It's also approximately the aspect ratio of our eye sockets!
Both my current home theater on the first floor and the new
one I’m working on in the basement are outfitted with Cinemascope screens (2.35:1).
With the new room, I went with an acoustic transparent screen to hide the
speakers and for image sound localization. Being able to hide the speakers is
also a great way to take advantage getting some great deals on used or discounted
floor model speakers (Youthman’s Tip #2). If the cabinets are blemished,
or your setup is mismatched, it’s less of a concern when they’re hidden away. I’m
running an anamorphic on my current setup but I’m not sure I’ll use it on the
new setup because I’ve always struggled with dialing out the pincushion.
Hello Michael 🙋🏻♂️, Thank you for a great video . I don’t know much about this topic . God bless !
Thank you 👍🏻
Exactly what i was looking for
Wait wait waiiiiiitt!!!!
Did you change your Subs???
Wow, those two beasts must have very impressive work, you always loved your subs !!!! 🤨
I was considering widescreen but then did a little math. 100" 2.35:1 screen is 39" by 92". 100" 16:9 is 49" by 87", which when watching a 2.35 movie is 87" by 37". So for me I don't mind sacrificing a couple inches for widescreen movies with 16:9 because you lose a lot of size when watching full screen movies using a 2.35 screen: 49" vs 39"
@XY ZW oh for sure. Dark Knight Rises is a must to have 16:9
Great vid. I love swing how people made certain decision I their theatre room, especially of it was built a long time ago.
I started building min in 2002 after about a year of PLANNING. I was at the same crossroads as you were but the decision was easier for different reasons. At the time, I lived cinemascope, but the problem was that very few titles offered it on DVD as back then everything was watched on 42" - 48" widescreen TV's, we already had a 50" Toshiba projo and the brand new 60" were over $6000. The only titles I had that would do scope was Saving Private Ryan, Braveheart, Kingdom of heaven and a few others.
My other issue was wall space as my front entrance is on the screen side and I even cut into my furnace room for an angles entrance to give me as much space as possible. I wanted a snack area, and rear access to my rack, it was my only layout option. That means in a 16:9 setup, the biggest screen I could fit was 106" and with all masking tape, the scope screen was just too small at that size so 16:9 it was. If I didn't have a wall width issue I would ha e fit the biggest anamorphic 21:9 screen I could fit.
It was so much harder to build dedicated theatre rooms 17-20 years ago without UA-cam and minimal online, you had to buy the 3 different magazines a month and dig deep into forum's for answers and advice.
Fantastic explanation! Thanks for this!
Glad you found the video helpful
Great video. Learned a lot!
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Hi Youthman, I am also one of them that chose to go with a 2.35:1 cinescope screen in my home theater - I have 120 inches 4K screen. I just love watching movie in CinemaScope - it feel so good........
The brand name I always wanted in my theatre room over 15 years ago was Classe pre/pro and amps. They were just so sleek and sext and the performance was breathtaking.
Hey Youthman. What happens when you watch a movie that changes between 2.35:1 and 16:9 for IMAX scenes?
16:9 since it works with old and new movies. Thin and wide is less immersive than the same width but taller
Hi Youthman....limitations on my pj to change from 16:9 to 2.35:1 has led me to make a top and bottom masking for my CIW projection set-up.
Great video thanks! One Big question os when you say it's ok to sit sat 9feet (2,75m) for a 150 inch screen I assume that's for 4k material, would that distance change if it's 180p?
Super informative!!!
For this discussion I feel it’s important to talk about CIH (constant image height) which can play a big part in the decision. You should also consider the size of the location your screen will be placed (both height and width). Also, having lens memory as an option on your projector helps a TON! I have an NX7 and a 156” SI scope screen and absolutely love it. Switching between pre-programmed lens memory is a simple one click on the remote.
Ps- YM, u will love the latest firmware update for the NX7 that came out last October.
Thanks Cameron. All great points to consider.
Hey Youthman Finally got my Klipsch I'm in love. Now the screen Hmmm.... Keep talking I'm listening lol
Hey mate, what do you say about movies with variable aspect ratio. How it is displayed when using a scope screen with 2.35:1. I am considering putting a scope screen in my theatre, but wondering how this works. Esp for movies like Top gun Maverick where a lot of scenes are shot on IMAX format and then it switches back to 2.35:1 again..?
Will the image spill over the screen if uses lens memory? Thanks for your reply.
Do you have issues with IMAX ratio scenes and movies?
Awesome subject Youthman!!!! Reason being.... Is that I'm torn between Cinescope and a UST. I deff want the convinence of a pretty much plug n play UST but I would love the immersiveness of a 2:35:1 screen
I went with a 2.35:1 screen when i first got a projector with lens memory. I later got an anamorphic lens which made it even better.
No regrets with a CIH setup.
My only gripes are movies that switch aspect ratios wish it was optional on the disc
I went 16:9, as I prefer black bars top and bottom, than to the sides. The picture can be HUGE, or as wide as it can on the 2.35 aspect. It always fills the width. The black bars on the sides make the image smaller every time, and there is so much content still only in 16:9.
I’m going to get a 2:35.1 for constant image height. The widescreen picture is smaller on a 16:9 screen. With constant image height you are getting the same size image for both 16:9 and 2:35.1
My screen is setup as CIH as well
@@Youthman I would have done the same thing as you for your space though. My entire wall is a screen. Your theater looks super amazing.
After thinking, I decided to turn it around. Now because I have 8’ ceilings, I’m going with a
120”x 61” screen. I will have two rows of seats, with a ceiling mounted projector, so I’m not sure how high the bottom of the screen needs to be off the floor, so that the projector doesn’t hit the tops of people’s heads. I think because I’m using towers, I won’t be able to put them behind the screen, but I do want to put the subs
Behind the screen. I’m trying to make my room like yours but I have shorter ceilings. Any thoughts from you would be great. Thanks
It’s amazing how big your room looks now compared to before!
🤯🤯🤯
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What makes it look larger? It's still 13' x 19' with 10' ceiling.
Youthman I’m guessing, but the darker colors that you used in the room and the camera angles you use now! I honestly don’t know! I have a 13x25 room, and your room in your videos looks like it dwarfs mine🤷🏻♂️😀. I remember back when I first started watching your videos and looking at your theater room saying to myself “I wish I had the size room you have so I could do something like this”. A couple videos later you said the dimensions of the room and my jaw dropped! It literally looks like your theater room is 19x25. I believe you have set that room up perfectly!
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I had a 150" diagonal 16:9 screen for two years and three months ago switched over to a 140" diagonal 2.39:1 cinescope screen, and I am fairly confident that I will never go back to 16:9. I still watch a lot of 16:9 content (sports mainly but also shows on Netflix, Prime, etc.), but watching movies like Star Wars on a scope screen without the letterbox bars is simply a much more immersive and amazing experience. Sports and shows are still large and look good on the scope screen, and you can mask a scope screen much easier, so it's a no brainer for me now. If you want a true "theater" experience in your own home, go with a scope screen.
I completely agree Chad. It's simply not the same experience as having a wall to wall image in 2.35:1 aspect ratio.
Hey Youthman, once again you smashed it. So so helpful. The way you explain things is so easy to follow. Thank you, Jeff, Liverpool 🇬🇧
IF POSSIBLE, COULD YOU DO A VIDEO ON REFRESH RATES PLEASE? ie, 24p, 60htz, 120htz ...bearing in mind I’m using led tv 65” full array back lit. Only if you have time. Thank you.
I love your videos, man! I know you've got an NX7 with a 150" 2.35 XD screen. I have an RS2100 showing up this week and I'm trying to choose a screen material. What do you think of the XD material with regards to visible texture from the weave? I'm sitting at 11.5-12 feet back from the screen and want a great experience. I'm looking at the XD, NEO, and Dreamscreen V7. Would love to hear your experience with your screen. Thanks, and keep making these great videos!
Just got into your channel. I wish I had did a little bit of research for aspect ratios before purchasing some cheaper screens. I am glad you are discussing this. I feel like projectors are really becoming popular because of the lockdowns. I tend to watch more anime that is 4:3 then I do have movies 🎥 and streaming that do use the wider cinemascope. I do plan to use a streaming device like most people and might end up getting a 16:9 screen. Love your channel.
Thank you for the kind words. I always recommend a screen that is in the aspect ratio that you use the most. For me, the VAST majority of content is in scope so that's why 2.35:1 or 2.40:1 screen works better in my setup. I also wanted something different than just a larger 16:9 TV in my dedicated theater room.
Excellent video! How does one handle wider than 2.35:1 movies like Ben Hur and Hateful Eight in 2.76:1?
I have a 55 inch 4k tv I love projections systems but I haven’t got the cash for that I have a 5.1.2 surround sound I love this channel for amazing tips and explains the basic stuff
Thinking of ordering the Epson 6050 projector and trying to decide on my screen. The room is 15.6 x 22 and I have it set up looking at the screen in the 15 foot direction. Will the Epson shoot onto a 120" 2.35.1 screen ok? and will the projector be loud over my head. Oh the ceilings are 10ft. Also I noticed the 4k ultra discs I have say 2.39.1. Will I have bars on a 2.35 screen?
Love your channel, keep it up
Youthman I got an even poorer man's anamorphic. I only have an entry level projector (Optoma HD142x). I placed my projector at a point where if I zoom my projector all the way out digitally, I end up with a 16:9 picture to fit perfectly in the middle of my cinemascope screen when I watch 16:9 content. That gives me a 100 inch picture. BUT when I watch movies, I zoom in digitally a few notches to fit in a 2.35:1 picture perfectly into my cinemascope screen. I do this with my projector remote and it doesn't take but a few pushes of a button. I think its worth mentioning that most projectors have digital zoom so anyone can get or make a cinemascope screen to accomplish that cinematic look. I will upgrade to the Epson 5050ub soon (still saving), which has the lens memory shift but for now, this does it for me. Congrats on the JVC!
Hey Youthman. I have a pretty amazing living room setup, 7.4.4, that between your videos and chatting on fb, you really helped me out quite a bit on putting it together. Couldnt be happier. But I was curious if you have tried out any of the near field projectors yet. I game a lot and am all about image quality so I ended up doing an OLED when I was upgrading. But had considered a short throw. Was wondering if you ever reviewed any. Just checkin and thanks. Keep up the good work.
So if I had a wall 120” wide, my screen would be 51” high? I have a room that’s 13’x20’ but the door coming into it is at the front where the screen is, so I will have a aisle to one side where the door comes in. That means the screen will be on the other side. So I have 10’ to work with. So I want to build a screen, but I want it as big as I can get it. The 3 towers and two subs will be behind the screen. So basically my front seats will be about 6’ from the screen. Do you think that will work? Trying to plan everything before building.
I'm trying to decide what aspect ratio screen to get I also will only be using the theater for movies however my concern with getting a 2.35 ratio screen is watching movies that are shot in 1.85 like jurassic Park would I be better off getting a 16x9 screen and just dealing with the black bars?
What i'm going to do when i eventually get my cinema room is to have a 2.35 screen on the wall, and a motorized 16:9 screen that drops down infront of it, for when i want to watch 1.85 content.
Seems like many streaming sources: Netflix, Disney+, etc are in 2:35:1.
I went with a 16:9 150” acoustic transparent screen but now I wish I had went with a 2.35:1 screen. Great video brother.
Thank you.
It all comes down to your viewing distance. If you are too far away then those black bars might become an issue as they can reduce space on the screen.
There is a lot of content with 16:9 and I would be really dubious of streaming services when it comes to movies and their aspect ratio. And unless you are really familiar with movie in question it might get very difficult to know how near are to native aspect.
THANK YOU ....Youthman.....You just helped me decide in more clarity to step into the 2:35.1 - I have Sony VPL-HW11000ES projector :-)
with this feature Picture position feature for lens-less anamorphic
(2.35:1) - No anamorphic lens required
When using a cinema scope screen, enjoy 2.35:1 content without the need for an external anamorphic lens using the
Picture Position function. - Picture Position Yes, 5 Modes (including lens-less anamorphic) - Picture Position Memory
This feature remembers the position of the zoom lens. You can match it to a movie’s aspect ratio (including 16:9 and Cinemascope) and store the settings for a future viewing.
Is there a reason why you chose Seymour Center Stage XD Cinescope Brand???
Cheers Ned
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hey youthman do you think you can have a review of the trinnov altitude 16 processor
Can the newer UST projectors project a 2.35:1 image?
Great Great video..hey Youthman..one thing that as an older guy i.miss about older reviews of the past is the calibration part of video. Im a guy who grew up calibrating my projector tv with software and colorimeters such as HCFR..or Calman - today you dont hear much.of color calibration anymore like the early 90s..
Techno Dad is learning how to Calibrate TV’s on his channel.
@Youthman Great video Michael.
In my house, I'm mostly the only one who spends time in the theater room, and most of the time is for gaming, so I decided to go just with a 4K TV, now I'm looking for an acoustic transparent screen in order to slide it over the TV for the big cinematic experience when watching movies with my family.
Thank you Victor. I originally was going to do a 55” TV and a 103” Projection Screen in front of it but ended up just going with the projection because we do not watch TV shows.
@@Youthman and you ended up with the bes theater!!!
Thanks!
I understand your point, and you are right that the content that you plan to consume is an important factor, and yes, a wide screen can be very immersive, but as I see you still have some room up and down, so imagine how immersive a 16:9 screen would be with the same width like your screen:) But again, if you really do not watch youtube videos, or any other content than movies with 2.35:1 aspect ratios, it is fine. I just think that most walls are closer to a 16:9 ar than a 2.35:1, and it is pity to not use as much of the wall space as possible. To sum it up, usually the width is the bottleneck of a wall, not the height, so for a home theater, I would go for the 16:9 anytime. I just love the extra height, when I can almost fit myself in the screen standing in front of it. If you have 3D content 16:9 that is also much more enjoyable than a 2.35:1 due to the extra height. I also love when the screen starts almost from the floor, and as high as me standing, then the middle of the screen is at my eye level when sitting, it is really like you were in the movie. But this is just me. To me the 2.35 could work if the rooom had a very wide wall.
Everyone must decide what works best for their preference and their room. I’m just sharing the reasons 2.35:1 is the best choice for my setup and preferences.
2.35:1 is the only way to go, currently loving a 142" Cinescope screen. With the JVC's lens memory, I have both the 2.35:1 and 16x9 saved so jumping back and forth isn't an issue.
I have a similar sort of set up with my screen size being 130" and have a lens memory as well. I have seen my self making mistakes at times and forgetting set up.
Youthman, I have watched pretty much all of your home theater videos and do remember at one time you did mention, how far your front row is from you screen. Would you please give me the distance again....? I am looking at 106inch screen and between 9 to 12 feet to the first row.
Currently have my 125 inch drop down. Thinking when I update my projector I will add a bigger "cinescope" drop down so I can have both 😁
That's what Craig Peer's doing over at AVSForum. Best of both worlds and a lot less expensive than motomask solutions.
Realistically, you could just always build your screen to be 16:9. You can easily mask off all sides to suite 2.35:1 or 1.33:1 if and when its needed. But dont of course go overboard with it if your projector doesnt have the brightness needed for the size your attempting.
A lot depends on your room. My cabinet limits my screen height but my screen is almost the width of my room. So a scope screen is a much better option for my setup.
A large 16:9 screen is much more flexible in terms of displaying content. Not all movies are shot in 2: 35 : 1 . A lot of classic movies are shot in 1 : 85 and recently there are some movies shot in IMAX which is close to 1 :85 too in terms of aspect ratio. For example I have seen movies on a cinespcope screen in a showroom and it is true that 2 : 35 movies look great but the moment I watched Jurrasic Park (a real classic movie) it was absolutely unwatchable. The image got hilariously small. On the other hand a 16:9 screen allows you do some tricks in order to get the image size you want (masking the white bars for example or, if you have money to burn a panamorph lens).
You and me both brother, no time for sports with all those great movies out there!
I think its quite simple really. Get whichever screen gives you the largest real estate for your room. My room is fairly square so the 16:9 screen gave me the most screen. If it was more wider, I would have got a cinemascope screen.
Nice info
Hi, I followed your video and tried to do as explained..
.but I can't find the right compromise with other video formats that aren't 2.35:1..... I'll start by saying that my screen is 2.33:1 but I just can't find a solution for example with 1.85:1.. I have a JVC N7 as a video projector. Do you have any advice for me? I would like to see everything in 2.33 without any vertical or horizontal black bars.
If your desire is to fill a cinema scope screen with all content, you only have a few options.
1) madVR Envy using non-linear stretch. Check out my video - ua-cam.com/video/EZIa4bbmSUA/v-deo.htmlsi=77H2CdfSL5eU4Q2N
2) Electronic side masking
3) Manual side masking
The lens memory in the NZ7 allows you to zoom in and fill the entire Cinemascope screen. But when you’re viewing content that is not as wide, you’re going to have Gray bars on the left and right unless you do one of the three above.
Hi Michael, When you install your new JVC NX7 projector, I would like you to do a very detailed review about the lens memory function of this projector with demo videos, because I can't find much information about this function in its manual. thanks
Thank you for the suggestion
There is also a tv setting called Original. What format is that?
The best setup imo is to do CIH+IMAX with 4 way masking.. 16:9 is displayed the same height as a 2.35 image but narrower.. IMAX content is displayed the same width as scope but taller .. this can be achieved with a large 16:9 screen and 4 way masking .
Masking is sweet but isn’t cheap.
By having 2.35:1 screen do you lose burned in subtitles (at the bottom) say Hunt For Red October? Some movies put these burned in subtitles in the lower black bar.
It depends on where they place the subtitles. If they normally appear in the bottom black bar then yes, that would extend below your screen.
Never thought about that. I always watch with subtitles on. Glad I bought a 16:9 screen, I was going to get 2.35:1.
@@jonb3792 Subtitles will fit in the screen - it's when the film maker decides to put foreign translations into the bottom black bar. HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER burns the Russian translation in the bottom black bar.I assumed it would be off screen as Youthman says.
I rather learn russian before going back to 16:9 😅
But I hear you....the few times I watch Netflix I have a "2.35:1 Netflix" settings on my jvc where i'd raised the picture so the subtitles shows
you see for my little "tiny" 100" screen I prefer 16:9 because it allows me to view a true 100" diagonal picture. Watching movies in scope on my screen means a much smaller picture than the actual screen size. Now with a dedicated home cinema room which can accommodate a much larger screen i'd go for.... (nope you guessed wrong...) BOTH!!! My dream setup should be able to articulate between 16:9 and 2.35 depending on the content (using sliding curtain trickery like real movie theaters). Go big or go home right?
Having said that u use lens memory so when you adjust to a 235, please make a video on how you handle the black bars below and above the screen.
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16:9 any day of the week...i don't need the hassles of anamorphic lenses, and or buying another projector just to have lense memory...
Nothing wrong with that. Only you can decide what is best for your setup
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Most projectors have lens memory features so an anamorphic lens is not a must have. My JVC easily switches back and forth between 16:9 and scope.
I’ll take my Stewart Gemini, 2:35 for movies with a reference material for watching immersive movies in the dark and a 16:9 alr screen for watching tv with the lights on.....
2.35:1 all day. I have Two Phillips Cinema 21.9 TV's, I have the 58" In the Cinema Room, and It's little Brother the 56" In the Living Room. I have a 100foot drop down 21.9 Projector screen that drops down In front of the TV. I will never go back to 16.9 and those Horrible Black Bars. The Modification Is called Anamorphic. The 58" model can make any Film or Game 3D, and It looks Great.
Love yout channel, lol you are costing a lot of money. I have an odd question? I work on RV's and currently building a Home Theatre system, I'm wanting to make my own Screen out of the roof material I use every day. It's made of PVC and very flat with a matt finish, might not be the best material but I can make my screen as large as I need and I understand that I should be using a screen with a value of at least a 1.3 or so using a Epson 5050UB, any thoughts?
I would say absolutely try it out. You could always place a small amount of it up against the wall and just see how it looks. Lots of people use a variety of DIY solutions and get great results. I’ve never heard needing a gain of 1.3 for the Epson. Maybe it’s because of the size of screen that you were going for?
I have a 70" 4K TV so 16:9. I thought about projector but the input lag would be insane. I play games on my PC, so I need something fast. 70" was $700 for me. Anything over (75"+) would be over $1k.
Wow great information! I would love to go with a CinemaScope only thing is there are a few movies I look forward to like Aquaman, Mission Impossible Fallout, Justice league and TRON just to name a few that have imax ratios and such. I guess it’s a small ish trade off. But maybe there are some solutions to combat this. Thanks
The solution is using a 16/9 screen, he'll keep the same size of his current CinemaScope screen but extend the screen up and down to 16/9. No excuse not to use 16/9 and a masking system since his screen can only get bigger.
No excuse not to use 16:9? Sorry but that's bad advice. Every situation is different. I can 100% tell you that I would not be happy with a 16:9 image in my room. My desire was to have a wall to wall experience that is different than what you get when watching even a large 16:9 TV. There are pros and cons of both aspect ratios.
The best way would be to have an anamorphic lens and sled (which will cost you more than the projector) or if you can afford to go with a wall to wall 16:9 image and have electronic masking to mask the top and the bottom (again SUPER pricey, especially at that size image).
How do you handle films or tv shows with mixed aspect ratios? Something like ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD or even THE MANDOLORIAN which uses aspect ratios changes for emotional effect.
Also do you research the film ahead of time to pre-set your aspect ratio or skip to a scene, set and then start over?
My setup is designed around scope content since the vast majority of what I watch are in 2.35:1 or 2.40:1 aspect ratio. For the 0.1% that has mixed content, I mask the area of the image that would otherwise spill above and below my screen.
I do not do any research. I hit play and hit one button on my Harmony Elite to switch to one of my presets on the JVC NX7.
When you have a 16:9 screen you can mask the top and bottom for a 21:9 image. Both ways you get the full width of the screen.
When you have a 21:9 screen and you mask the sides to create a 16:9 you lose that width, basically created a way way smaller 16:9 image when then a 16:9 screen.
So having a 120 inch 16:9 is better than having a 113 inch 21:9. If you switch a lot between TV series and movies.
Good points if you have electric masking (which can get very expensive). I love my 12’ wide 150” cinescope screen.
You have to remember that if Youthman, or anyone else, want to have a 150" scope image on a 16:9 screen. The screen have to be 159". That's like 78inches tall. In my own room that will almost be the intire height of the room 😅 You don't want your feet covering the view.
@@danielmravljov Good point :D
I tend to prefer side masking for 16x9 because that's what commercial cinemas do.
I've been doing 16:9 front projection for 15 years and recently went to a 128" acoustically transparent 2.35:1 screen. I'll never go back. I get great envelopment for movies and 16:9 images are still around 100".
Awesome Daniel! It’s truly a completely different experience with a scope screen.
That was good marketing not telling people what the product was, I had to click to find out 👍
what i don't like about having 2.35:1 ratio is that everything other than the movie still shows up at the above and below the screen. for example, say you're using an apple tv and decide to play a movie on plex or something, the apple tv is still in 16:9 and goes outside the screen when you're navigating through it. and if you use the lens ratio change that you mentioned in this video then i guess that could work as long as the projector detects the ratio being outputed and automatically changes based on that. On top of that movies that switch between 16:9 and 2.35:1 would be annoying in this. and the movies that do full 16:9 are some of my favorite haha
There are two better solutions...but get your wallet ready.
1) Anamorphic lens and sled. Will typically cost you more than your actual projector.
2) Electric Masking (again very expensive.
I'm COMPLETELY ok with the imperfections of the poor man's anamorphic setup I shared in this video.
Love older films like Predator & Rambo so like full screen 16:9 screen. Also like 4:3 old movies, Maltese Falcon, that JVC nx7 displays dark bars on sides. Sometimes use Oppo 203 that can zoom 4:3 full screen. Also big football fan so 16:9 works for me. Films that alternate IMAX & 2:35 work well like Dark Knight
That's great, but those "older" Rambo movies were shot in 2.35:1.
Before 2013 everything was simple. If you watch TV series you can do a 16:9 and then add masking for a 2.35:1 but now we have TV series that are 19:9, there are movies that are 2.39:1. And now the Imax scenes some movies have, it's super frustrating.
There are 4 different aspect ratios that we have worry about.
Even if you do a motorized masking, there are still 2 more aspect ratios.
Ok maybe the 2.35:1 and the 2.39:1 can be consider as one and lose a bit of image info.
I'm planning to go a 16:9 pull down (can't do fixed and there are like 1 or 2 pull down screens that i found to be 2.35:1) maybe do some kind of a masking for 2.35:1 but not sure how that is going to work.
So the 16:9 will be used for TV series including the ones that are 19:9.
and masking to 2.35:1 and 2.39:1.
UH.
They need to create a material that is going to be powered, so that we can black out some parts of the screen to create whatever aspect ratios we want.
Yes it does stink that we have to try and adjust for so many different aspect ratios. But in the end it’s still worth having a home theater
With PC gaming, the aspect ratio can be whatever you want.
Hello Youthman, do you have any recommendations for pull down 2:35:1 screens? Having a real difficult time locating any, thanks!
I just searched Amazon and found one
@@YouthmanThanks for the quick response, is it a large size? I am trying to find one close to 150"
It might be difficult to find 150 inch pull down. I think the one I found was about 100 inches
Hi Youthman, how do you handle watching movies that switch aspect ratios midway ie., The Dark Knight?
For that 0.5% of movies that have more than one aspect ratio, I just let it spill above and below my screen.
I thought I was the only one who watches no sports.Im so relieved!
Welcome to the club!
I have NEC projector M282x and samsung home theater what about eco mode ,,,,,,
I do not use eco mode myself. I want the best performance I can get
Nice
Thanks for the video Youthman! I love cinemascope and am considering this for my own home cinema which I will build in the next 2 years. I have one issue though; what about movies like The Dark Knight, Interstellar, Mission Impossible Fallout etc which varies between 16:9 and 2.35:1?
With this setup, for movies that switch between 2.35:1 and IMAX, it will extend above and below the screen
@@Youthman ok. And it's ok, not annoying?
Thanks for answering😁
There are so few titles that I have watched that have that, it wasn’t an issue. If the majority of movies did that, it would be frustrating
@@Youthman could using a projectors blanking feature prevent image spilling over the screen when the aspect ratio changes mid film? As much as blocking out actual footage is frowned upon, I'd prefer to not see the image at all if a large part of it is spilling over on to my wall.
P.s. love your vids 🙏
Yes I have since added digital masking within the JVC to do this when viewing 2:35:1 content.
Can I get an affordable Cinescope screen? I can't find any that are less than like $2000, they are mostly like $7000.
Elite, Silver Ticket both make affordable cinescope screens
You wear glasses so have to ask. I hate it when the image is so big that it falls outside of my glasses’ frames. If I sit in my front row it’s right there at the edge of being just right to too big. Does your front row fall within your frames?
Honestly I’ve never looked to see (no pun intended). If I have never noticed it, I’m guessing it’s not an issue. My frames are pretty wide. If your frames are more narrow, you will have a more narrow field of view
why not 2.4.1? is there no difference between 2.35 vs 2.4.1
Games are actually more or less supportive of that 2.35:1 or 21:9 aspect ratio now days, especially on PC. I'd love to see the original darius arcade game played on that screen, it was originally intended to play across 3 4:3 CRT screens so that game would probably be even wider but it's sequel darius 2 was made using just two massive for their time CRT arcade monitors so that should fill up that entire screen perfectly and I mean perfectly.
I think it comes down to cost more than what media we watch most. Because there are "multi-masking" screens that will auto resize the aspect ratio. But htey cost 7x more than a fixed screen. Very few HT people can afford...as they would then be getting a front projector on par with the screen...people who can afford the $30k+ projectors and the hi-end gear.
How wide is your 150" screen in feet? Curious. 58" "too small"? Perhaps standing against your rear wall. :)
The black bars do really matter when it comes to watching a movie on a tv screen because the screen is small.
When it comes to a projector the screen tends to be far larger so the black bars do not matter at all. In a theatre where you have good light control and design you are not going to notice the black bars.
You gotta remember not all movies come in one format.
Next the 2:35 shows more of a shot length wise than you would at 16:9
My set up I can watch both
so do you not notice the grey bars outside the screen edge?
In 2.35:1, my entire screen is filled and the grey bars that are above and below the screen cannot be seen.
What about with movies such as Mission Impossible: Fallout, Aquaman and Interstellar? Those movies switch from 2:35:1 to 16:9? Wouldn't it bleed out of your screen?
That is correct. 3 movies out of a huge host of non switching content. I can deal with that for the benefit that 2.35:1 offers.
@@Youthman so how would you correct that? Would you adjust your projector to 16:9, making your screen smaller to adjust for those films? Sorry for the 21 questions
How to hide top bottom bars? Velvet mask?
Hey youthman! I’m buying a projector and screen for the first time and I was wondering how you handle a 2.35:1 screen on movies with constantly changing aspect ratios such as the IMAX scenes in interstellar? Thank you!
I mask the overspill. You can either mask it, let it spill above and below your screen or spend big money on MadVR to do non linear stretch.
Keep in mind there are probably 0.001% of movies that do that. No reason to build your system around that small percentage
@@Youthman 99% of movies I watch are in 2.35 but I read that The physical release of Top Gun Maverick will have variable aspect ratios! So thank you! I’ll have to look into masking!
Also your channel has helped me out so much while building my home theatre! Keep doing what you’re doing!!
Appreciate the kind words. Yes, I too read that about Maverick. You aren’t missing anything important that will be masked above and below your 2.35:1 screen. I can’t wait to get my Steelbook and watch it in my theater room