Worship Bass Guitar Tone 101 - Direct Boxes & Pedals
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- Опубліковано 1 кві 2018
- David Curran (Elevation Worship & Lauren Daigle) sits down to talk you through bass tone for worship and how you can use direct boxes and pedals to get that perfect sound. He goes through finding the perfect DI box for you, and then walks you through his personal pedal board that he's used for years on the road and in the studio with Elevation Worship.
Click the link below to get Part 2 of this video where David goes even deeper and talks through pedals, as well as his personal bass pedal board and why he has it set up the way he does. worshiponline.com/worship-bas...
I'm not a worship musician or even a Christian, but man, thank you so much for this video. I'm a lifetime bedroom player looking to start playing live, and figuring what gear you need and how to use it is a whole project in itself.
Thanks so much for your encouragement, bro 👊 stoked your getting out to play live!!
Wow.. this is the kind of demo how the pedal sound in a played song.. thanks you very informative!
Great video, David is so aware of the language he is using, explaining what "color" means after he caught himself using it. That and other very insightful explanations. Well done, thank you!
Thank you so much for the encouragement!
Got the 3-channel SansAmp at our church and it does the trick, at home I have a B7K but it is not quite as good at dialing in that church tone. The Noble sounded great though!
Thanks for this video! I am actually looking for a DI :) Really helpful
Would be great to have all the DI name in the description.
Great video!
I use the radial di box but the blue active one. I pair that with an MXR bass pre amp, a Seymour Duncan studio bass compressor, and a polytune 3 tuner/buffer
Excellent video!! Thank you!
Thank you for watching!!!
thanks for this video
Excellent video Thanks!
You're welcome!! Glad is was helpful!
Hey guys I really appreciate this video as a church bass player just getting into pedals. My current setup is Poly Tuner into MXR 87 compression, then a berhinger octaver (cheap I know) and then I end my chain with my sans amp. I have a boss d1, but I didn't think I needed it since the sans has enough drive for modern worship!
This is a great setup!! Keep that D1 for fun! Haha
Absolutely great comparison video... Noble all the way, though. I'm a bit partial, I miss my Noble.. Little box of magic it is..
Would have liked to have seen part two without having to be on an email list... oh well
My current rig is: Boss TU-3 into an Ampeg Opto Comp into an Ampeg SCR-DI. It provides pretty much everything I need to play worship.
Love it!!!
Thanks I needed this
Of course, Zeke! We love to help :)
That bass line at 7:00 is niiiice
I'm not big on effects and my fave was the radial. I currently just run straight into the pa system. At home I use an ampeg ba115 v2 and absolutely love it but it's heavy also.
Love that!!!
Hey, thanks for the great Overview! Your tone is so fantatatic! Would you share the Settings (Eq) you would use in the SansAmp?🙈
Thank God I found you....I have been looking for everything Radial DI does. Simple deep emotionally satisfying almost percussive deep bass that compliments voice of Praise Worship for prayer and supplication. I am a bass player for deep complimentary soft rock-solid and pure bass tone support.
Our church is running the basic Radial DI, and taking the parallel out into a Tonehammer, and running both to the soundboard. That way there's total clean, and the sound engineer can blend in as much overdrive from the Tonehammer as needed, so the player doesn't have to think about it.
Braden, honest question with no intended snark; wouldn't you usually want to control the sound of the bass yourself? I would think it would influence the play style depending on what was going out to the house. In your case, do you use in-ears, and if so, are you getting the final mixed bass tone, or just the clean bass? I don't have much room to talk as I'm direct in at the moment, but that's why I'm researching what does what so I know where I have to put my money! ;)
I would also recommend the Line6 HX Stomp. It provides great flexibility - splitting the signal in two freq bands, compression, drive, EQ and so on. Darkglass Vintage Ultra is cool too.
Тwo Notes Le Bass and Markbass Vintage Pre are awesome too.
Nice video. The Radial JDI is a better direct box that is closer in price to the Sansamp. Every bassist should own one. FYI - if running an active bass, the passive DI is for you. If running a passive bass, the Active Radial DI would give you more signal/volume.
I’ve been using the Hartke Attack DI pedal for 22 years for worship. I went on a tone quest for 15 years and found my Hartke was what I always would come back to.
My pedal board is now
TC Electronics Sentry noise gate, Keely pro compressor, Hartke Attack ( EQ engaged, Harmonics engaged ) to get my tube emulation
Love it!!! Very good choices.
The Bass Attack is a great pedal and also has the parallel output. I still have the Hartke head and 4x10's of that vintage and it roars.
Nice review thanks! i always record DI using my trusty Radial J48. Can i reamp the DI track using Sansamp or Aguilar using only my reamp box + audio interface? i do not have a bass amp. Thank you very much!
I use a REDDI al the time. But i like your NOBEL
In context of the mix, I honestly prefer the Sans Amp
Same here. I've used all of the others except the Noble--a buddy of mine has the Noble and loves it. But I keep going back to the SansAmp for its stringiness. It sounds like bass GUITAR rather than just bass, if that makes sense.
aw, I wanted to hear the clean sound of the pedal in the mix since the pedal is essentially the preamp taken from the head of the same name. Nice comparison vid though, thanks!
Noted! Thanks!
Just put my order in for the Noble. Going to be a long ten months haha
Let me know what you think!!
"Swiss army knife", EBS Microbass 2
I hope you still read this and can answer my question. Since I'm running my bass setup wireless w/ XLR out of the back of transmitter, is that the only signal F O H is getting. In other words only effect I use is a 6 band E Q. That wouldn't be in the XLR signal would it? I'm only using a 25 wt practice amp,but it is loud enough on stage that I dont use all the volume that it has. Only about at 5-6 w/ the E Q at half volume and using the volume on the bass itself. Not a huge church or very big guitar amps to complete with so volume is not a problem. With the E Q I can really tweak my sound nicely but mostly everybody can easily hear what I'm doing. I'm a guitar player normally and have a ton of equipment at my disposal including a fancy-dancy pedalboard. Big amps ,both guitar and bass,but just using little stuff for now. Would my own personal D I be better or just use what works for now?
Whatever is getting plugged into the wireless transmitter, that is what is being sent to FOH!
I remember watching this video years ago. I'm glad I found this again! By the way, David is using Elliott PJ bass here, but it sound like he is using only "P" pickup?
Great question!
Doing a 60/40 towards the P. However, they’re both split coils, so it I’ll sound like a P regardless! How that helps 🙂
@@Worshiponline do you mean this J pickup is a split coil as well?
hey is this the guy from that band the crippled rejects?!?
I run a Shure wireless into. Boss chorus then into a Ampeg SGT-DI! I’m Not much into a lot of distortions but the Ampeg SGT-DI provides just enough and drive! Fender American Deluxe Jazz 5 string, in house no amp!
He is a pleasant guy :)
You play a 4 string with the top string tuned down to D. Great idea! I play a 5 string mainly for songs that bottom out below E. Is this a common practice to detune?
Definitely not common, but we should start the detune revolution! 😤
Interesting
Hi David, Thanks For the helpfull video! Im playing in a worship band as a bass player for 10 months now and im watching your video’s a lot, But Ive got a question. Im Really intrested in buying the Sansamp Bass driver DI, It has this button in the lower right corner. Is that button Just For turning it on and off? Or is it used For turning on/off your own personal sound? So that you can turn it on during a song for that cool sound you can create and when Its not on Its just used as a DI? I hope you know What I mean! It Would help me a lot in my choice of what DI I should buy.
Hey I"m in the same boat as you. Personally I'm looking hard into the Tech 21 Bass fly rig, or the GK Plex. A lot more features built into one pedal.
Wes Sills I Just bought the MXR M80 bass DI plus, Its a DI with a built in effect pedal so you can choose When you turn on your effect. It isnt deliverd yet to my home adres But im really wondering on how Its gonna work out for me.
Cool, Let me know how it works out.
Wes Sills Hi wes, it took a while before it got deliverd But I finaly got it now! The DI works perfectly and the button For turning on your effects is awesome! Great sound and easy to use. I recomend it!
Jelle Molenaar the button is for bypass the pedal or turning it on.
When bypassed, the XLR out still operates as a passthrough for DI; it's just unaffected by any of the EQ and cab emulation.
In my opinion the SansAmp is the best for the money. +1 for the VT character model, as it has more voice/character options.
What are your thoughts on the Radial Tonebone Bassbone?
I’ve personally never tried it but know people that love it.
- David
Interesting, he's playing in drop D. I didn't expect that for this style of music.
I play in drop D all the time in Worship Music. Many songs we sing are in the Key of D and it is perfect. I use an American P-Bass with Hipshot Drop D tuner
@@SanNjig ah a hipshot, I thought maybe that was it. Awesome little device!
Had a 5 string bass and found low D commonly useful. So now I tune my 4 string bass low string to D. Very easy since fingering matches the other D string 😉
4 String Drop D gang checking in
Sansamp 🤪😍😍😍
Great job WorshipOnline! What pickups do you recommend to upgrade for mex p-bass?
Thanks! The easiest upgrade would be Fender custom shop P pickups or Fralin pickups or quarter pounder pickups.
hey man i get along of string slide noise when i use some of these pedals, what type of strings are you using to get your slides so clean?
James Casabar I’ve found that if I a getting too much string noise turning the treble down helps.
Flat would strings will help with that noise also. I’ve played flat wounds for years and love the thicker tone they give you also. Ymmv
I'm looking for an affordable DI with a smooth, fat bottom. Every demo I've heard has distortion. I put some money down on the ampeg, but I'm still unsure. I have a 62 P Reissue, 62 Jazz Reissue and a MusicMan.
It's all up to you!
@@Worshiponline I bought the Ampeg. I like it!
@@thescatman5029 That’s great! Glad you like it!
Is there a guitar version of this video
Yes, there is! worshiponline.com/worship-guitar-tone-master-class/
How are the DC power outs for the Noble? Do they get noisy?
According to David, they do not get noisy!
Sooo what exactly did the pedals do? Just really want to know so I can know what to do with them BEFORE I BUY
They just add more color to your sound!
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Mt bom!!!
What kind of in ears
Do you use ?
Idk if you’re still looking for good in ears, but I recommend the Shure 215 in ears you can get at almost any guitar center.
He's using God's sensual whisper
@@SoChilledOutGuy junk
Wampler Low Blow. The best bass Overdrive ever. Check it out.
I miss the EDEN WTDI...
'Sup Dwight.
👋
I'm so confused here. Can worship musicians not watch secular gear videos?
Of course they can! We all do. We just wanted to provide a resource from our people!
Props to you if you have played with well known worship leaders. However, I find I'm in disagreement with a lot of what you say. For example if the desk is getting a really good direct signal (eg Radial) why do you need anything else?
Distortion? Really? The sansamp sounds awful. Mid frequency control - how on earth would you know if your bass is cutting through the mix? That's the sound engineers job. The less you alter your signal the better the control they will have. If you play in same church every Sunday surely you'll agree the optimum sound setting for your bass with the sound engineer.
Really I think it has to do with the sound engineer knowing what he is doing. I'm a guitar player in church, and the bass tone of our bass player is awful. He is using a simple di box into the board and it gets really muffled and flat sounding. Something like the Sansamp or tone hammer would allow the bass player to "fix" the signal that the sound engineer isn't fixing. But you are correct about if they have a good engineer they need to keep it simple
Probably something you missed from this video (even though he explains his approach to tone at the beginning) is that depending on the tool given, he’s thinking through how to dial in the best tone for the MIX.
For anyone who has done any extensive studio work you start to approach your tone from a producer/engineer standpoint and not just what you think sounds good in isolation. Which often times in worship includes more drive and midrange than you’d think. Having drive and mid boost is what helps make bass translate over small speakers.
All the tips he gives are from real world experience and are spot on! There isn’t a hard and fast rule when it comes to getting good tone, so yes sometimes direct only will work and other times you want a little bit of overdrive or amp simulation (ie, sansamp, kemper, helix etc). It’s about being flexible and using the tools you have to get a great tone that will work in the context of a mix.
Do yourself a favor and go over to multitracks and listen to some bass tracks in isolation. I think you’ll be very surprised by what you hear. Take a song like “lion and the lamb” by Bethel, there is quite a bit of overdrive (they use the tone hammer on that song btw) and midrange.
Chad Benson I agree 100%. Yes, we want a clean signal to our FoH but we, as bass players want to alter our tone for the song or even just the moment. I know, overdrive or distortion isn’t what one thinks when playing worship; but it is a tool we have in our pocket. As long as the FoH is aware of what we are doing as an artist, they can manipulate the output to the mix. And yes; distortion or overdrive is ok in a worship setting as long as it is used appropriately. I.e. let all things be done decently and in order.
lame, just like elevation, its all about the gear, not the worship