Playing is not boring at all, James 😂 You have a huge responsibility as a bass player, you cannot play a wrong note, anybody else can play a wrong note but the bass player. Such a fun instrument to play and so important in any type of music.
The song I yawned through (I was probably just sleep deprived, but still) was a 1/3-4-5 through the whole song, and I only liked the style a little more than polka.
Bass sometimes is boring, mostly just under-appreciated... My wife determines what type of day if I'm having by how much I smile at the drummer. Since you asked on pedals - Cali76 compressor into a Sansamp with light drive. I carry a chorus but those two previous are always on. Also, props on the P-bass. It's never wrong in a worship mix. I still love my jazz for gospel though... ;)
lol yeah I like that drummer-smile test. Those are some great pedals! I sometimes shy away from 1176-style compression on bass, but there are times that it shines
I've been playing gospel bass guitar for a long time and I never get bored with it. Now distortion on a bass makes my ears 👂bleed. When I hear distortion on bass the sound gets blurred with the lead guitar that's using distortion. If were gonna use distortion on the bass we might as well add it to the kick drum to. I'm saying this in a friendly manner 🙂
I hear you - CCM style bass is much MUCH less interesting than gospel bass playing. And I totally agree - distortion on gospel bass just doesn't make sense. It's kind of like dominant 7th chords just don't fit in CCM genres.
great video James, I have the Behringer V-Tone BDI21 pedal, great amp modeler and have used it a couple of times in church instead of the church's Bass amp, even use it at home on my Bass amp, then I know I have the same settings at home when I practice than when I go to church
Using a Helix, just a single DSP path. Got my dual parallel path preset set up so one path is a clean full range SVT4Pro tone where treble can be attenuated for more melodic jazz playing, and the other path is high passed at 880Hz for distortion via Darkglass B7K Ultra feeding a bright channel JTM45 model, and this path is engaged for rock tones.
Aww man. I thought this was about how to get a great sound from bass like on a church livestream. Our problem is, we can’t really push our kick drum or bass to an optimal level, else we will start peaking. Can you address this
The low E requires a subwoofer to reproduce with any power (the fundamental pitch E1 is about 41 Hz). Also, is the bass itself properly setup in terms of string and pickup height?
Great to hear from Soun engineers perspective, thanks!! ?QUESTion: our church have sansamp pre and boss Compressor Pedals. I never use pedals I play American Fenders j and p passive. I believe my tone is far superior than the others that use the pedals. What is your take on those pedals? (No od)
i'll say this: Lee Sklar plays straight into his amp and a DI. If he can do it, you can too. The wrong compressor can really squash the bass. It's the same thing with mixing - unless you have something in mind on how you want to make it better, don't just use the processor (or pedal) and twist knobs because it's there. Go FOR something with the gear
"If you cannot stand a metronome" Too bad. Learn to deal with it. The bass player needs to know how to play on time and the best way to do that is with a metronome. I've been playing for 14 years. Whenever I'm playing or even just listening to a song, I constantly have a metronome going in my head.
Warm up? Thats somg 3 in the first set. Overdriven bass. I used to not believe it was proper. Then i heard Heartbreaker Led Zeppelin. JP Jones bass is nasty by itself. But go listen to the final mix. That overdrive/distortion, fills space. Even more so Live. In a band with only 1 guitar, it will improve the solos. Ive heard it a million times. Clean bass is just not filling enough space in those sections. All drums and guitar shreading.
Coming from guitar or piano though, it makes sense, and certainly in the P&W genre. But what bass parts in that setting may lack in terms of harmonic/melodic complexity (I think of that as the vertical dimension, what pitches are being played), instead a player needs to embrace timing, feel, the pocket, locking in with a drummer, and playing with confidence and assertiveness (time, the horizontal dimension).
Worship bass is boring when 90% of the songs require the bass to play 1/4 notes around G C A every song. Hell, even I fall asleep, and I’m up their playing that artless drivel.
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To add any distortion I use a SansAmp and kick the gain up to taste. The newer SansAmps have a 'bite' switch that gives you a bump on the highs for a crisper distortion sound.
Great advice, especially on the importance of timing and consistent finger tone! Since you asked about pedals - I don't usually use them, but I have used the Catalinbread SFT for drive/distortion to good effect, and the Walrus Audio Deep Six v3 for compression (also has a blend control!). My usual bass these days is a Fender P, but I played a Schecter C-4 for a long time before that.
I use the Aguilar Tonehammer for the main part of my tone. Unfortunately you can't use it temporary because the distortion really lets the volume jump. I set the gain so that it doesn't really distort when I play long legato notes, bit when I dig in it really fills out the spectrum and cuts really nice to support the rhythm even more. It also allows for more headroom during a high energy part. Thank you for your input. This is really important. Also the IEM problem is really a thing. I would suggest a set with at least two drivers so that the bass doesn't mix up with the rest of the frequencies in your ear. Just boosting the bass in your ears, won't do it, like you said.
Touch dynamics are definitely 💯in an overdrive pedal or bass amp, so I'd call that a win. I've heard a lot of people using them, I just haven't gotten my hands on one yet.
It's not for everyone but its a type of distortion that isn't too in your face. It doesn't really sound distorted unless you really crank it. It's just thicker, especially helpful when playing with a pick, which also can be intimidating for some.
Playing is not boring at all, James 😂
You have a huge responsibility as a bass player, you cannot play a wrong note, anybody else can play a wrong note but the bass player. Such a fun instrument to play and so important in any type of music.
The song I yawned through (I was probably just sleep deprived, but still) was a 1/3-4-5 through the whole song, and I only liked the style a little more than polka.
I prove you wrong everytime I play. I have yet to play a perfect song without some little mistake.....
Such a timely video. I’m going to share this with my bass player, we were just talking about this kind of info
lets just hope he doesnt read comments haha
I would be honored if someone cared enough to send me a video about how to get better 😀
I sure do love the tone of P pickups.
same
Thank you! Valuable! Also to see that you had your own challenges.
Of course! We're all human, right? 🤓
Bass sometimes is boring, mostly just under-appreciated... My wife determines what type of day if I'm having by how much I smile at the drummer. Since you asked on pedals - Cali76 compressor into a Sansamp with light drive. I carry a chorus but those two previous are always on. Also, props on the P-bass. It's never wrong in a worship mix. I still love my jazz for gospel though... ;)
lol yeah I like that drummer-smile test. Those are some great pedals! I sometimes shy away from 1176-style compression on bass, but there are times that it shines
I've been playing gospel bass guitar for a long time and I never get bored with it. Now distortion on a bass makes my ears 👂bleed. When I hear distortion on bass the sound gets blurred with the lead guitar that's using distortion. If were gonna use distortion on the bass we might as well add it to the kick drum to. I'm saying this in a friendly manner 🙂
I hear you - CCM style bass is much MUCH less interesting than gospel bass playing. And I totally agree - distortion on gospel bass just doesn't make sense. It's kind of like dominant 7th chords just don't fit in CCM genres.
@@AttawayAudio Does CCM stand for Christian Country Music? 🙂
great video James, I have the Behringer V-Tone BDI21 pedal, great amp modeler and have used it a couple of times in church instead of the church's Bass amp, even use it at home on my Bass amp, then I know I have the same settings at home when I practice than when I go to church
nice!
Using a Helix, just a single DSP path. Got my dual parallel path preset set up so one path is a clean full range SVT4Pro tone where treble can be attenuated for more melodic jazz playing, and the other path is high passed at 880Hz for distortion via Darkglass B7K Ultra feeding a bright channel JTM45 model, and this path is engaged for rock tones.
nice!
Big props for the Snarky Puppy reference.
snarky puppy = 🤯
4:50 I always enjoy using Tonal Energy for my tuning and metronome needs. The SBL Groove Trainer is nice too!
Nice! Love SBL Groove Trainer... I'll have to check out Tonal Energy!
@Attaway Audio It isn't free, but I found it to be well worth a couple bucks.
Demeter Opto Compulator-1 compressor pedal..!! Good video, thanks
Looks like a great one! I'll have to keep my eye out for it
Aww man. I thought this was about how to get a great sound from bass like on a church livestream. Our problem is, we can’t really push our kick drum or bass to an optimal level, else we will start peaking. Can you address this
Compression on input channels, compression on buses, then compression on the stream output. It takes layers to keep things full and not peaking.
Why is it that in my church I can’t hear my low e string that well while the a string is way too loud?
The low E requires a subwoofer to reproduce with any power (the fundamental pitch E1 is about 41 Hz). Also, is the bass itself properly setup in terms of string and pickup height?
It could be the subs frequency response, or it could be the acoustic cancelations and build-ups from the dimensions of the room.
Need prayers 🙏🙏 One of the family members are sick 🤢
I'm sorry to hear that, Jason. I'll be praying for you and your family! 🙏
Great to hear from Soun engineers perspective, thanks!!
?QUESTion: our church have sansamp pre and boss Compressor Pedals. I never use pedals I play American Fenders j and p passive. I believe my tone is far superior than the others that use the pedals. What is your take on those pedals? (No od)
i'll say this: Lee Sklar plays straight into his amp and a DI. If he can do it, you can too. The wrong compressor can really squash the bass. It's the same thing with mixing - unless you have something in mind on how you want to make it better, don't just use the processor (or pedal) and twist knobs because it's there. Go FOR something with the gear
Bruh, this video is great
Thank you so much! :)
Ya, ya stay in the pocket and play!!! Good night 💤😴.
Do you mic the bass cabinet and use the XLR Preamp out for your live mixes?
I rarely have a bass cab on stage. But yes, sometimes. More often I'll take a DI before the bass amp, since their ouputs can sometimes get noisy.
"If you cannot stand a metronome"
Too bad. Learn to deal with it. The bass player needs to know how to play on time and the best way to do that is with a metronome. I've been playing for 14 years. Whenever I'm playing or even just listening to a song, I constantly have a metronome going in my head.
you have to purchase or find free VST plugins
what? James plays bass too? It's not fair. I've been running, catching up..., but he's far ahead. And now this 😅😂
lol I've got a lot of growing to do in playing bass..
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Warm up? Thats somg 3 in the first set. Overdriven bass. I used to not believe it was proper. Then i heard Heartbreaker Led Zeppelin. JP Jones bass is nasty by itself. But go listen to the final mix. That overdrive/distortion, fills space. Even more so Live. In a band with only 1 guitar, it will improve the solos. Ive heard it a million times. Clean bass is just not filling enough space in those sections. All drums and guitar shreading.
lol yes song 3 is the truth
I can hear you breathing James. Please 😂
😂😂
I'll be sure to hold it next time
Yeah you lost credibility when you said Bass Playing is boring
Coming from guitar or piano though, it makes sense, and certainly in the P&W genre. But what bass parts in that setting may lack in terms of harmonic/melodic complexity (I think of that as the vertical dimension, what pitches are being played), instead a player needs to embrace timing, feel, the pocket, locking in with a drummer, and playing with confidence and assertiveness (time, the horizontal dimension).
It's boring when you "stink"
Once you learn how to convey emotion with the bass you'll never think it's boring
Angry bass players in the chat!
lol yeah I found them with this one
Worship bass is boring when 90% of the songs require the bass to play 1/4 notes around G C A every song. Hell, even I fall asleep, and I’m up their playing that artless drivel.
and yet, we're there to serve the song and the rest of the band. So we do :)
Is it true if u don't submit a dolby-atmos mix, apple will not get you in playlist or will not put u on the front page of apple Music ua-cam.com/video/XsRAhCgEzjk/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/odaUbSyGc3k/v-deo.html
no clue...
Do any of you “bass players” depend on backing tracks during worship?
To add any distortion I use a SansAmp and kick the gain up to taste. The newer SansAmps have a 'bite' switch that gives you a bump on the highs for a crisper distortion sound.
Even low levels of gain just feel "right" with that pedal.
Great advice, especially on the importance of timing and consistent finger tone! Since you asked about pedals - I don't usually use them, but I have used the Catalinbread SFT for drive/distortion to good effect, and the Walrus Audio Deep Six v3 for compression (also has a blend control!). My usual bass these days is a Fender P, but I played a Schecter C-4 for a long time before that.
Nice! Those pedals look great. I'll have to keep an eye out for them
Thanks for sharing the tips. Subscribing.
Great video James ... much appreciation for sharing your experience
I run my Bass Guitar through my Aguilar Tonehammer Preamp and Electro Harmonics Bass Microsynth
Very nice! I need to pick up a microsynth... sounds like a lot of fun
Amazing video! Suuuper helpful!
should you use a bass compressor if your sound guy is already using compression?
Possibly! Light compression in stages can be a good thing
Tone Hammer is what we use. Is it a good one?
lol
yeah that's a VERY popular bass pedal
I use the Aguilar Tonehammer for the main part of my tone. Unfortunately you can't use it temporary because the distortion really lets the volume jump.
I set the gain so that it doesn't really distort when I play long legato notes, bit when I dig in it really fills out the spectrum and cuts really nice to support the rhythm even more. It also allows for more headroom during a high energy part.
Thank you for your input. This is really important. Also the IEM problem is really a thing. I would suggest a set with at least two drivers so that the bass doesn't mix up with the rest of the frequencies in your ear. Just boosting the bass in your ears, won't do it, like you said.
Touch dynamics are definitely 💯in an overdrive pedal or bass amp, so I'd call that a win. I've heard a lot of people using them, I just haven't gotten my hands on one yet.
It's not for everyone but its a type of distortion that isn't too in your face. It doesn't really sound distorted unless you really crank it. It's just thicker, especially helpful when playing with a pick, which also can be intimidating for some.
Check out the Aguilar storm king. It’s the standalone gain circuit from the tone hammer