I agree. Madonna simply followed her instincts and went in a R&B/Club sound direction with her music. She sensed that Camille's songs would be trend out. Her decision to ditch Camille's management certainly paid off...a billion times over.
listen, she put everything on the line for her music and didn't want to be in a box. why on earth would she let a low level manager put her in a box? she had nothing to lose and everything to gain
Camille was thinking of Madonna as the next Pat Benatar which seems like a safer choice at the time. Madonna going the underground dance / club route was seen as riskier because the target audience were largely african-american and latino. When Madonna released Everybody and Burning Up, it was played in dance clubs and on black radio stations. She wasn't mainstream yet and many people thought Madonna was black. Though Holiday was her breakthrough track on the radio, it was the gorgeous Borderline music video that showed her to the world. Everyone now knows she's white. Had Madonna gone the punk rock / pop rock route, she might have been successful at that too. Pat Benatar is nothing to sneeze at. She's a legend in her own right (but I'm glad Madonna decided on the dance club route because she wouldn't have been as sexy doing the punk rock thing).
I never understood how come Camille did not have some firm contract with Madonna, if she's invested so much in her. As a businesswoman, you'd think she'd protect herself from other labels stealing M ( let alone, Madonna leaving her in the dust).
she did and scored a settlement but it was for madonna breaking contract which wasn't a lot of money. Camilles lawyer kept trying to get more money saying see what madonnas making thats what camille should have 15 percent of- in they end they were like heres_____ to go away and she was like fine. it would have been in courts for forever with camille not really having a leg to stand on as she never got madonna good gigs or a record deal
Give the woman a break, Steven Brey said that Camille was Madonna's "knight and shining armor" this means she helped Madonna when she was struggling. It does make sense why Camille preferred the rock genre. Reggie Lucas who produced Madonna's first album said as well that Warner Brothers didn't know know what to do with Madonna at first. They thought she was weird. Had Madonna signed with Columbia Records and decided to go the punk rock / pop rock road, she might be successful doing rock too. Pat Benatar, Blondie, and Roxette were all very successful in the rock genre.
@@minty5121 camille conveniently after madonna left was like i had a record deal for her. there was no deal. in the end madonnas team was like here take this and f(*K off. this is why madonna never mentions her
I can't tell what is more ridiculous, this program or the people dancing at the "party". (The way Camille Barbone looks away at 7:24 gives me the feeling she was about to cry - let's be honest, Ms. Barbone, it was not worth it).
I'm glad Madonna found her niche elsewhere before camille put the columbia records deal on the table. The music would not have sounded the same based off the demos with her. The music probably wouldnt even have been Madonna's.
The only person who made Madonna famous was Madonna. Of course you have to work with managers and producers collaborators etc. She left you because you were holding her back.
There is no doubt Madonna has proved herself throughout her career. This is what I don't get about people starting out with $35 bucks. New York is EXPENSIVE and she in the early days didn't have much money coming in. What am I missing here.???
Madonna was already doing rock before and during her time with Camille. She was in a band called the Emmy but it wasn't going anywhere. Camille thought or hoped that Madonna could become the next Pat Benatar which made sense at the time.
and camille was annoying with not getting her any gigs or a recrord deal. madonna was 24 by the time she started going out on her own she was like im old lets get this done
Madonna isn't a star because of Camille. Yes, Camille helped her, and it didn't work out, but Camilled didn't write Everybody. Camille didn't invent Madonna. Madonna invented Madonna.
Sorry Camille, what you should’ve done was to sign the whole band, then bray’s “everybody” will be owned by Gotham, and we all know what happens next.. everybody is a hit & it will not matter whom released it… many songs off Madonna’s first album are written during Emmy & music building days…
her songs with camille were better than Like A Virgin and some other songs. High Society is a great song. I love it. Madonna was so much more natural with that song with camille than many ofp madonna's helium voiced disco songs later, even though i liked Holiday and the one before that one. I always liked Camille alot and think it shows alot about Madonna that madonna never thanked the so many who helped her so much in the beginning. Madonna, ego driven ingrate.
madonna thought it didn't go fast enough so she basically managed herself and promoted herself, made her own songs instead of following what camille had in mind. it takes courage to do that
@@aidanmorris2231 I didn't think she was over 70, but either way, hadn't heard from her in ages, but anyway, nice to know someone who never took shit from Mad Dog is still kicking.
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I agree. Madonna simply followed her instincts and went in a R&B/Club sound direction with her music. She sensed that Camille's songs would be trend out. Her decision to ditch Camille's management certainly paid off...a billion times over.
Who is Camille?
@@ReubenWalton Her former manager featured in the above video. This was before she signed with Sire/Warner Bros. records.
listen, she put everything on the line for her music and didn't want to be in a box. why on earth would she let a low level manager put her in a box? she had nothing to lose and everything to gain
Camille was thinking of Madonna as the next Pat Benatar which seems like a safer choice at the time. Madonna going the underground dance / club route was seen as riskier because the target audience were largely african-american and latino. When Madonna released Everybody and Burning Up, it was played in dance clubs and on black radio stations. She wasn't mainstream yet and many people thought Madonna was black. Though Holiday was her breakthrough track on the radio, it was the gorgeous Borderline music video that showed her to the world. Everyone now knows she's white. Had Madonna gone the punk rock / pop rock route, she might have been successful at that too. Pat Benatar is nothing to sneeze at. She's a legend in her own right (but I'm glad Madonna decided on the dance club route because she wouldn't have been as sexy doing the punk rock thing).
@@minty5121 this is right. She had the instincts to know what direction she wanted to go and what would work.
LMAO at the clubgoers trying to dance along to those old demos! 😂
Are they really hearing it while we are hearing it?
They look like drunk secretaries looking for husbands
@@tye81 OH MY GOSHHHH! S C R E A M IN G here!
I never understood how come Camille did not have some firm contract with Madonna, if she's invested so much in her.
As a businesswoman, you'd think she'd protect herself from other labels stealing M ( let alone, Madonna leaving her in the dust).
She trusted her as she was in love with her
she did and scored a settlement but it was for madonna breaking contract which wasn't a lot of money. Camilles lawyer kept trying to get more money saying see what madonnas making thats what camille should have 15 percent of- in they end they were like heres_____ to go away and she was like fine. it would have been in courts for forever with camille not really having a leg to stand on as she never got madonna good gigs or a record deal
I’m glad she never went with her as she wanted her to be a rock chick , def not Madonna style
Those demos aren't that bad. I've heard worse. I liked pre Madonna by Stephen Bray
She offered Camille a deal after and Camille said meh so yea it’s on her
Give the woman a break, Steven Brey said that Camille was Madonna's "knight and shining armor" this means she helped Madonna when she was struggling. It does make sense why Camille preferred the rock genre. Reggie Lucas who produced Madonna's first album said as well that Warner Brothers didn't know know what to do with Madonna at first. They thought she was weird. Had Madonna signed with Columbia Records and decided to go the punk rock / pop rock road, she might be successful doing rock too. Pat Benatar, Blondie, and Roxette were all very successful in the rock genre.
@@minty5121 camille conveniently after madonna left was like i had a record deal for her. there was no deal. in the end madonnas team was like here take this and f(*K off. this is why madonna never mentions her
I can't tell what is more ridiculous, this program or the people dancing at the "party".
(The way Camille Barbone looks away at 7:24 gives me the feeling she was about to cry - let's be honest, Ms. Barbone, it was not worth it).
8:40 😂😂😂
I'm glad Madonna found her niche elsewhere before camille put the columbia records deal on the table. The music would not have sounded the same based off the demos with her. The music probably wouldnt even have been Madonna's.
those demos are horrendous no wonder madonna didnt get signed
Not all of them.
The only person who made Madonna famous was Madonna. Of course you have to work with managers and producers collaborators etc. She left you because you were holding her back.
0:21 so we gonna ignore that this is literally sound like you belong with me on Taylor swif
So basically Madonna's first fan is mad she isn't Madonna?
There is no doubt Madonna has proved herself throughout her career. This is what I don't get about people starting out with $35 bucks. New York is EXPENSIVE and she in the early days didn't have much money coming in. What am I missing here.???
That it is a lie. Those stories are almost always lies.
Madonna was a hustler
WTF HIGH SOCIETY ROCKS
What a precious TV special about Madonna!
Of course she didn't do it on her own?? Everyone knows there's a whole team involved in her creation.
1979 Love on the Run. A great song. Wow. She should have released it or I hope one day she releases all her songs
Is someone bitter ? Can she not move on ?
Madonna left her because she didn't want to perform rock
Madonna was already doing rock before and during her time with Camille. She was in a band called the Emmy but it wasn't going anywhere. Camille thought or hoped that Madonna could become the next Pat Benatar which made sense at the time.
and camille was annoying with not getting her any gigs or a recrord deal. madonna was 24 by the time she started going out on her own she was like im old lets get this done
Madonna isn't a star because of Camille. Yes, Camille helped her, and it didn't work out, but Camilled didn't write Everybody. Camille didn't invent Madonna. Madonna invented Madonna.
YAY, Madonna´s old ska things, I´ve been eaiting too long finding this!!
Those songs suck.
This show was dumb, the supposed point was to trash and expose her, but they played lots of exclusives in order to get ratings from her fans
Burglars took Madonna's photos. Sick.
I dunno I'd probably take it as a compliment 😆
Sorry Camille, what you should’ve done was to sign the whole band, then bray’s “everybody” will be owned by Gotham, and we all know what happens next.. everybody is a hit & it will not matter whom released it… many songs off Madonna’s first album are written during Emmy & music building days…
20% of $0 is still $0. Madonna's music under Camille would not have sold.
Didn't like the songs with Camille...
God cant believe my Queen had a horrific voice.
But now she kearned how to sing and now she's the queen.
Madonna has always been an entertainer never a vocalist. Like Kylie Minogue. They are entertainers who don't have great voices.
She never learnt how to sing properly. Even with great training. She is trash!
@@Hunny1auKylie is a decent singer
She could have left those HORRENDOUS demo tapes at home. Reminds me of a tortured cat screeching down a back alley. Makes your ears bleed.
Or dog fuck dogs!!
MTV made Madonna. Perfect timing.
Bitter ... much, Camille??
Don't be ignorant 😒
6:03 what does she said? what was 4 years old?
Her company.
it's "what did she say" not said. yikes.
MaDonna really paid her dews. like all inspiring artist.
Luz Figueroa dues. Dew refers to condensation.
Poor Camille!! Madonna was too much for her
I think she's too much for most people. I wonder how many managers she's had?
There is such thing as the wrong song for your voice... her style was different
Get up is fab
@whitebluebug i dont get that either
QUEEN
her songs with camille were better than Like A Virgin and some other songs. High Society is a great song. I love it. Madonna was so much more natural with that song with camille than many ofp madonna's helium voiced disco songs later, even though i liked Holiday and the one before that one. I always liked Camille alot and think it shows alot about Madonna that madonna never thanked the so many who helped her so much in the beginning. Madonna, ego driven ingrate.
madonna thought it didn't go fast enough so she basically managed herself and promoted herself, made her own songs instead of following what camille had in mind. it takes courage to do that
Ewww no these songs are much weaker than her later material!
Fkk Off Bot. Gfy.
didn't camille die?
TeenB94 by now? probably.
lol no shes on instagram and still manages
@@Spice99857 lol shes like 69 not 1000 lol she's on instagram and happy
@@aidanmorris2231 I didn't think she was over 70, but either way, hadn't heard from her in ages, but anyway, nice to know someone who never took shit from Mad Dog is still kicking.
Wow her music was so bad it sounds like it truly is pay to play
Wow. She used a lot of people on her way up.
Unauthorized bye 😀
madon