no it's not if you enforce the rules, all the rules, all the time, to the letter : you don't put your whistle in your pocket and let them play; even if in the end you have 2on 2 with both benches in the penalty box
Your people still don't understand hockey officiating. It's all game management. A problematic or iffy call almost always comes after a team gets way with multiple infractions. Hockey officiating is karmic, and that's the way it should be. If they called it by the book there would be a penalty every 30 seconds.
@@travzimmerman1340 The play in isolation is irrelevant. The call was the culmination of everything that came before it. If a team takes liberties for two periods, they're going to take some phantom penalties in the third. That's the way hockey has always worked, thank goodness.
I said the same thing as soon as the NHL started with the online betting sponsorships. Sure, the players still play. But, the refs are told which team is supposed to win and/or, the refs are betting themselves through a 3rd party then collecting on the game they just rigged. I know some refs and they all agree with me. All you need to do is watch a few Flyers games to see refs rig one.
Your people still don't understand hockey officiating. It's all game management. A problematic or iffy call almost always comes after a team gets way with multiple infractions. Hockey officiating is karmic, and that's the way it should be. If they called it by the book there would be a penalty every 30 seconds.
no no no. Nowhere in the game rulebook does it say game management. That is 100% made up. The other myth of there would be a penalty every 30 seconds is 100% BS. Prove it. Call the game correctly for a season....the players and game style will adjust 100% why? because that is how you are taught, how it is designed and how it is played. When you waffle and vary from the rules the players have no idea what to expect then they each, individually, take whatever liberties they want and you have no one to blame but the officials. The book is there in black and white, don't like the rule, clarify them or change them but to ignore them under the premise of game management or some other myth is absolutely the dumbest take anyone can make. Let's not have malpractice insurance for doctors because the courts will be filled with claims and doctors will never get anything done....yeah never happened courts did not fill up with claims and doctors still see tons of patients not judges.
@@Shurehlm officiating via karma is a bad idea even if that is what is going on (and I don't think it is). The problem with this model is that there is no baseline for players to know. This is similar to having laws that aren't enforced usually, but are brought out when the police need a tool to hassle someone they don't like the look of. Rules help keep officials impartial, too.
Good Lord, try following Kraken hockey. From the first game they played, the Vegas team kicked in the winning goal, and until today, we never get the calls. The other night, Gru had his glove over the puck, and magically, it was slapped out of it and into the net. The Ref called it right away, but Toronto overruled it, and it became a goal with every Kraken player standing there with disbelief in their faces. Even the refs were shrugging.
It's been rigged that way for years and yes, it has got far worse since the over abundance of sports betting apps. Yet, many still don't believe it's rigged and call it a "conspiracy theory"
100%. Refs have a direct impact on the result of a game, I guarantee some of them are betting in some way. We know people do it, only few get caught. (Evander Kane)
Man... you can tell by my icon I am the definition of NOT a Wild fan... but even I can't deny this one... That was a crazy call and the Wild should have been on the power play.
And let's not forget the pad shove goal. You can't shove the pad & push the puck in. Clear interference but not called or reviewed. Hines owns that mess
The officiating this season so far has been terrible in every game I've watched (regardless of what teams are playing). They need to implement a system where the refs can review a replay for any reason. The NHL keep saying it would ruin the flow of the game, but the flow is already ruined by all these bad calls. It would take perhaps and extra 20-60 seconds to validate or invalidate the call. Any ref or linesman should be able to say, _"hey, we should check that call"_ (and question the call of a colleague - which they already do for certain calls) and as long as one official asks for it, it must be reviewed. I don't know what the exact answer is to the problem, but something needs to be done because the sport of hockey is getting ruined by stupid rules and even stupider calls.
Yeah I went in person to the back to back oilers game this weekend and I swear they were being paid off. Idrc who woulda won the games but man I’ve never heard so many ref you suck chants. Goals being called back slashing on goalies not being called and just inconsistent calls all around. I don’t think it would have let the oilers win since they’ve been playing terribly but woulda been closer games IMO or at least even officiating
@Mogooey Funny you should mention that because the refs have done the same thing to the Leafs, all 3 games. Just because they won 2 of the 3 doesn't mean it's OK for the refs to treat any team like they have. I hope the Oilers get their stuff together and soon
@@Irevoltnow There's suppose to be 3 tv timeouts per period, which seems like more most nights. If they had to stop an extra 1 minute per review , which seems very low, that could end up being alot of extra time per game, every game. On top of that, we all know that refs don't exactly like being called out for being wrong, which means that the refs would still "review" them but the call/ non call on the ice would stand 99% of the time.
The thing, I could see the NHL reviewing this for 5 minutes and then deciding it was the right call. Reviews don't make bad calls go away, it's just makes them longer to decide.
@@FluFFyLlamas Haha what are looking at! that puck was moving too fast for a redirect and a kicking motion. Stop watching it in slow motion it will become obvious to you.
The trip was absolutely insane, but like, you smash a players nose to a bloody pulp, forcing him to miss a game and a half with no call or discipline? That's just nuts.
The only explanation is that the ref making the call somehow swapped the two teams in their mind and the other refs didn't see it to refute it. It was absolutely a tripping minor, but they penalized the tripee not the tripper. Nothing else makes sense, but that's an abysmal blunder.
I was forced to watch the game with Kraken's announcers, and they thought every single call against them was the worst thing ever, and visa versa. It was pretty ridiculous, honestly. I understand some homer-ism, but it was out of hand. Made the game a little less enjoyable.
Sounds like you were listening to a STL broadcast lol. The SEA announcers are definitely homers for calls, they aren’t that bad as this clip shows. Meanwhile Panger would have absolutely agreed with this call, maybe even questioned by Broods didn’t get another penalty for high sticking the SEA player as well
That’s why I love Penguins radio and Ducks Stream; they call it like it is. Phil Bourque for the Penguins will say outright when it is a right call even if it is for a Penguin messing up.
EVERY home town broadcast is one sided. They are human and have a rooting interest. That being said I watched this game and it was called poorly on both sides. Sloppy all around.
I attended that game and it completely flipped when the officials got involved. The official later apologized to Brodin, saying he thought it was his stick, no excuse as the play call was brutal. The goal was kicked in but I understand Hynes reluctancy to challenge as every little play seemed to go Seattles way. Fun game but the Wild deserved the 2 points.
Did he also apologize for not calling a trip on Matty behind the net in the first period? There were plenty of missed calls both ways in that game, it's crazy that this person's video was so one-sided. But remember he's not a fan of either team......Yeah right.....
@@ConfideKylieyeah but context clues will help you realize that they’re referring to the [more recent] expansion teams that have gotten to play by an insanely better rule set/start than any other expansion class in the history of the league.
@@ConfideKylie The rules have changed immensely since the Wild's expansion draft. Nowadays, expansion teams are all but given a Cup winning team. Las Vegas being a glaring example.
@@JohnB-mo4kq but Vegas is still an anomaly. They are the only expansion team who’s had instant success and a lot of that had to do with them being very aggressive. GM’s learned from that and Seattle wasn’t able to be as lucky. Plus I remember so many saying Seattle’s draft was awful, but then when they made the playoffs year two, complaining about the expansion rules. Yet it was basically the same draft team from year one.
Seattle fan here: Tanev 100% tripped. That penalty was a terrible call. Not a kick on the PP play though. It doesn't even look like his foot is moving until the puck is already headed towards the net.
Yah but y’all shouldn’t have even got that chance on the power play is the thing. Changed the entire momentum of the game and f*cked us right up the ass
Hanlon's razor is an adage or rule of thumb that states: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Deffinitely applicable here, and in most cases of bad officiating.
How well does it apply to Tim Peel being caught on a hot mic saying he wanted to get a call early against a certain team regardless of whether a penalty occurred?
So the smart and malicious can act stupid and get away with anything? Sounds like bad advice tom, also sounds like Hanlon's Razor would be a convenient excuse for supporting politicians and government in general. Slippery slope, discounting malice is.
@@LoveLawWill Just because it is stupidity and not malice, doesn't mean you are allowed to do it. What are you on a about ? Since when is it and excuse for anything ?
Elbow (2 minutes), Trip/Kneeing (2 minutes), embellishment ( 2 minutes) would have been a more accurate outcome than what happened. Add in a kick complete with an OBVIOUS follow through and we know the NHL is determined to get Seattle into the playoffs this year....
That's news to Seattle. You might want to sit down and watch a few of their games if there is one thing that they don't get that would be favorable calls.
Honestly I don't see a tripping call either way they ran leg into leg, there wasn't an active tripping motion, and I don't find that the skate to the face was intentional at all. I say let em get up and keep going.
I am not surprised John Forsland called it correctly. He has never been a homer play by play guy. I miss John calling the Hurricanes game. Best play by play guy in the league hands down. Should call the SCF in my opinion. Much much better than SM!!!!
A pair of beer league refs would have done a better job than these two. That is the most brutal officiating that i have seen in a long time. Everyone misses a call now and then but not like this!
TBH the call you're highlighting isn't close to the worst you'll see (maybe for UA-cam video viewer engagement reasons), and as you mention, they may have had a better angle. If I'm reffing using the TV though, yeah, I'd call it the other way. The officials in SEAvMIN missed a lot of calls. If you watch the whole Seattle feed, the frequent refrain was "(Kraken player) taken down...and yet we play on."
As a Wild fan, I don't think that was a kick-in. Mainly because the movement of his skate didn't propel the puck at all, the puck hit his skate, deflected into the goal and his skate only started moving towards the goal after the puck had already hit the skate and deflected away from the skate.
holy heck, that is brutal - yes elbow for sure should have been called. Yes no MIN penalty on the trip, should have 100% been on SEA. Yes kicking motion, no goal. I have no dog in the fight, this is just plain brutal. Just make officials available to media.
The ref probably wasn't watching the play (which makes no sense since he had the puck) and only saw Tanev go down with a skate blade to the face and made the wrong call. The PP goal was definitely a kicking motion, so that shouldn't have counted either. Not a great night for the refs, but this is sadly becoming much more the norm lately than the exception.
The Sharks v. Dallas (2024/Oct/15) was similarly egregious... With about 54 seconds left in OT, Sharks player is facing away from an attacking player while skating towards the puck. The Dallas player runs into HIS BACK (while head down?) and bounces off, falling to the ice.. Of course, the Sharks get called for interference.
Why would the elbow be called? Larson was moving the puck along the board, his elbow had nowhere else to go than the direction it went. Errikson was just unfortunately trying to go for a hit right at that same moment.
@@krakenspectacordon’t agree with the script but it should have been Tanev going to the box aswell at very least at most a tanev penalty on his on Brodin didn’t trip him
@@krakenspectacor it happens and this is why I have been saying for years that on a play like that they should go upstairs and check it because then atleast u get it right
I have been seeing this type of CRAP happening in all sports this year. It's like someone has BIG bets on games, and they're paying the refs off to be sure they win. I'm not a fan of either of these teams, but that was a Bullsh*t call, and the league will do NOTHING about it. Refs making these types of calls should be demoted to AHL for a year, and if caught making the same type of calls there, they should be fired from officiating.
WOW, just wow. The NHL higher ups needs to fix this now before someone get hurt or killed. Please fix the Officiating. It needs to be fix today not tomorrow. today.
He whipped his head back to avoid a skate to the throat or face. You whip your head back like that on purpose, it's gonna hurt. As for the call, he should have been in the box not the Wild. I guess it's just wild.
I have no horse in this race and I will not defend any call here, just trying to figure out what happened. One thing I saw at the 0:48 mark in the video Brodin's right knee hits Tanev's right knee, just as Tanev's stick is lifting Brodin's foot off the ice. MAYBE that's what the ref saw??? I don't know, it's the only thing I see that would even remotely explain the call. {shrug}
not my team but yes. That is 1) tripping plus high sticking/embellishment. 2) a missed elbow clear as day that should be at least 4 minutes as the player was bleeding. 3) a kicking motion, shouldnt even be considered a goal. Refs sucked that game.
A "distinct kicking motion" is the new "goaltender interference", do you know what it is? do I know what it is? do the refs know what it is? who knows....we'll just make it up as we go along..... and that tripping penalty is why any play should be available for a coachs challenge to the NHL war room
@@justinmiller5660 so fan base for the start of a new organization only stays so long bud. Because it was new doesn't meat the fair weather friends stay. BETTMAN does this with all the organizations needing extra help. Check out his history in the last 20 years, it is not new
How every hockey parent swears the refs are to their team
Listen. I’m a ref myself. It is really hard to ref perfectly. But this is inexcusably bad
Im right there with ya, its a hard job but at this level you gotta be on your game.
@@Freddysipper Well so does Toronto. They've blown stuff at the level too.
no it's not if you enforce the rules, all the rules, all the time, to the letter : you don't put your whistle in your pocket and let them play; even if in the end you have 2on 2 with both benches in the penalty box
@@jamesberry3230agreed. What's the point of having rules if they're subjective?
As a fellow ref…brutal call!
Refs must be betting on this game. That was TERRIBLE.
I typically err on the side of the refs. It’s a quick game, mistakes are made, but that is inexcusably bad
Your people still don't understand hockey officiating. It's all game management. A problematic or iffy call almost always comes after a team gets way with multiple infractions. Hockey officiating is karmic, and that's the way it should be. If they called it by the book there would be a penalty every 30 seconds.
@@Shurehlm
Did you even watch the play
@@travzimmerman1340 The play in isolation is irrelevant. The call was the culmination of everything that came before it. If a team takes liberties for two periods, they're going to take some phantom penalties in the third. That's the way hockey has always worked, thank goodness.
@@Shurehlm If as you say, a penalty occurs every 30 seconds, then why not call an ACTUAL PENALTY against the Wild and not a completely fabricated one.
This is what sports betting gets us
Yup. But some think it's a conspiracy theory. It's definitely not. It's been rigged, or scripted for years now
And now all the games are carried by a sports betting company,
I said the same thing as soon as the NHL started with the online betting sponsorships. Sure, the players still play. But, the refs are told which team is supposed to win and/or, the refs are betting themselves through a 3rd party then collecting on the game they just rigged.
I know some refs and they all agree with me. All you need to do is watch a few Flyers games to see refs rig one.
It's nice to see that Angel Hernandez landed on his feet after his retirement from MLB.
THAT is the best comment so far. Needs to be pinned! (and FYI - I'm stealing it)
How many times a year are we going to see this stupid comment? Find new material
Your mother called. She said to put on pants and get out of her basement.
Lol bro….
Good one
Right call wrong player
Your people still don't understand hockey officiating. It's all game management. A problematic or iffy call almost always comes after a team gets way with multiple infractions. Hockey officiating is karmic, and that's the way it should be. If they called it by the book there would be a penalty every 30 seconds.
Get rid of BETman
All he cares about is money. Not fans
no no no. Nowhere in the game rulebook does it say game management. That is 100% made up. The other myth of there would be a penalty every 30 seconds is 100% BS. Prove it. Call the game correctly for a season....the players and game style will adjust 100% why? because that is how you are taught, how it is designed and how it is played. When you waffle and vary from the rules the players have no idea what to expect then they each, individually, take whatever liberties they want and you have no one to blame but the officials. The book is there in black and white, don't like the rule, clarify them or change them but to ignore them under the premise of game management or some other myth is absolutely the dumbest take anyone can make. Let's not have malpractice insurance for doctors because the courts will be filled with claims and doctors will never get anything done....yeah never happened courts did not fill up with claims and doctors still see tons of patients not judges.
@@azhockeynut8297 If you called the game by the book there would be a penalty every 30 seconds. No one wants that.
@@Shurehlm officiating via karma is a bad idea even if that is what is going on (and I don't think it is). The problem with this model is that there is no baseline for players to know. This is similar to having laws that aren't enforced usually, but are brought out when the police need a tool to hassle someone they don't like the look of. Rules help keep officials impartial, too.
As a Wild fan, this game was ridiculous to watch…
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I was in the arena and it felt like a cosmic joke the whole time..
This was the first game I saw this season, i was very pissed
Good Lord, try following Kraken hockey. From the first game they played, the Vegas team kicked in the winning goal, and until today, we never get the calls. The other night, Gru had his glove over the puck, and magically, it was slapped out of it and into the net. The Ref called it right away, but Toronto overruled it, and it became a goal with every Kraken player standing there with disbelief in their faces. Even the refs were shrugging.
@@kirklandphil yeah, the "refs" are awful this year
Ever since betting on games in Las Vegas, officials are questionable, in my opinion .
It's been rigged that way for years and yes, it has got far worse since the over abundance of sports betting apps. Yet, many still don't believe it's rigged and call it a "conspiracy theory"
100%. Refs have a direct impact on the result of a game, I guarantee some of them are betting in some way. We know people do it, only few get caught. (Evander Kane)
Bettman mafia at it hard off the start this season
Started in pre-season and has only got worse
Man... you can tell by my icon I am the definition of NOT a Wild fan... but even I can't deny this one... That was a crazy call and the Wild should have been on the power play.
And let's not forget the pad shove goal. You can't shove the pad & push the puck in. Clear interference but not called or reviewed. Hines owns that mess
We got cheated out of a potential win what an awful officiating game
The officiating this season so far has been terrible in every game I've watched (regardless of what teams are playing). They need to implement a system where the refs can review a replay for any reason. The NHL keep saying it would ruin the flow of the game, but the flow is already ruined by all these bad calls. It would take perhaps and extra 20-60 seconds to validate or invalidate the call. Any ref or linesman should be able to say, _"hey, we should check that call"_ (and question the call of a colleague - which they already do for certain calls) and as long as one official asks for it, it must be reviewed.
I don't know what the exact answer is to the problem, but something needs to be done because the sport of hockey is getting ruined by stupid rules and even stupider calls.
Yeah I went in person to the back to back oilers game this weekend and I swear they were being paid off. Idrc who woulda won the games but man I’ve never heard so many ref you suck chants. Goals being called back slashing on goalies not being called and just inconsistent calls all around. I don’t think it would have let the oilers win since they’ve been playing terribly but woulda been closer games IMO or at least even officiating
@Mogooey Funny you should mention that because the refs have done the same thing to the Leafs, all 3 games. Just because they won 2 of the 3 doesn't mean it's OK for the refs to treat any team like they have. I hope the Oilers get their stuff together and soon
That flow of the game excuse is so lame from the NHL. There's 6 minutes of commercials in every period. That kinda ruins the flow of the game for me.
@@Irevoltnow There's suppose to be 3 tv timeouts per period, which seems like more most nights. If they had to stop an extra 1 minute per review , which seems very low, that could end up being alot of extra time per game, every game. On top of that, we all know that refs don't exactly like being called out for being wrong, which means that the refs would still "review" them but the call/ non call on the ice would stand 99% of the time.
They should have coach challenge for those fake calls
No. Just, no.
Make it like challenging a goal or something - you can challenge a penalty call, but if you're wrong it turns into a double minor
@@lp6702sv Absolutely correct. They should've had this ages ago.
The thing, I could see the NHL reviewing this for 5 minutes and then deciding it was the right call. Reviews don't make bad calls go away, it's just makes them longer to decide.
I thought I heard that was something new you could challenge in the NHL this year. Correct me if I’m wrong, though.
1:43-1:53 that goal was 100% kicked in
Yep, Very obvious even in just one viewing here.
No it wasn't, you're allowed to redirect it with your foot, there was no distinct kicking motion
@@NavDDG54 The dude's foot is actively moving forward as it's redirected. That's a kick.
@@FluFFyLlamas Haha what are looking at! that puck was moving too fast for a redirect and a kicking motion. Stop watching it in slow motion it will become obvious to you.
All sports have gone down the TOILET since betting was made legal . All integrity has vanished
One thing NHL refs are great at... setting that bar low.
The trip was absolutely insane, but like, you smash a players nose to a bloody pulp, forcing him to miss a game and a half with no call or discipline? That's just nuts.
Clean hit, just a hockey thing
@@Pfefferkuchenmanan elbow to the nose is a clean hockey play?
@PG13hockeyman Must be a Messier fan. Nothing cleaner than flying elbows. Elbowing isn't a penalty....oh wait.
@@JakRoto clean hit all day
@@Pfefferkuchenman glad you're not an NHL ref, then
The only explanation is that the ref making the call somehow swapped the two teams in their mind and the other refs didn't see it to refute it. It was absolutely a tripping minor, but they penalized the tripee not the tripper. Nothing else makes sense, but that's an abysmal blunder.
I was forced to watch the game with Kraken's announcers, and they thought every single call against them was the worst thing ever, and visa versa. It was pretty ridiculous, honestly. I understand some homer-ism, but it was out of hand. Made the game a little less enjoyable.
Sounds like you were listening to a STL broadcast lol. The SEA announcers are definitely homers for calls, they aren’t that bad as this clip shows. Meanwhile Panger would have absolutely agreed with this call, maybe even questioned by Broods didn’t get another penalty for high sticking the SEA player as well
You must not watch other teams very often
That’s why I love Penguins radio and Ducks Stream; they call it like it is. Phil Bourque for the Penguins will say outright when it is a right call even if it is for a Penguin messing up.
EVERY home town broadcast is one sided. They are human and have a rooting interest. That being said I watched this game and it was called poorly on both sides. Sloppy all around.
I attended that game and it completely flipped when the officials got involved. The official later apologized to Brodin, saying he thought it was his stick, no excuse as the play call was brutal. The goal was kicked in but I understand Hynes reluctancy to challenge as every little play seemed to go Seattles way. Fun game but the Wild deserved the 2 points.
Did he also apologize for not calling a trip on Matty behind the net in the first period? There were plenty of missed calls both ways in that game, it's crazy that this person's video was so one-sided. But remember he's not a fan of either team......Yeah right.....
Weird how the expansion teams are favored so much, eh?
I’m presuming this is supposed to be a dig at the Kraken, but you do realise MN is an expansion team too, right? 😂
@@ConfideKylieyeah but context clues will help you realize that they’re referring to the [more recent] expansion teams that have gotten to play by an insanely better rule set/start than any other expansion class in the history of the league.
@@ConfideKylie20 plus years ago
@@ConfideKylie The rules have changed immensely since the Wild's expansion draft. Nowadays, expansion teams are all but given a Cup winning team. Las Vegas being a glaring example.
@@JohnB-mo4kq but Vegas is still an anomaly. They are the only expansion team who’s had instant success and a lot of that had to do with them being very aggressive. GM’s learned from that and Seattle wasn’t able to be as lucky. Plus I remember so many saying Seattle’s draft was awful, but then when they made the playoffs year two, complaining about the expansion rules. Yet it was basically the same draft team from year one.
Every year, the officiating gets worse.
That hushed little “…what?” The sign of _true_ confusion
Seattle fan here: Tanev 100% tripped. That penalty was a terrible call. Not a kick on the PP play though. It doesn't even look like his foot is moving until the puck is already headed towards the net.
Yah but y’all shouldn’t have even got that chance on the power play is the thing. Changed the entire momentum of the game and f*cked us right up the ass
That was kicking motion
Hanlon's razor is an adage or rule of thumb that states: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Deffinitely applicable here, and in most cases of bad officiating.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, however, never discount malice
How well does it apply to Tim Peel being caught on a hot mic saying he wanted to get a call early against a certain team regardless of whether a penalty occurred?
@@Xanlet That doesn't fall into the "adequately explained by stupidity" category.
So the smart and malicious can act stupid and get away with anything? Sounds like bad advice tom, also sounds like Hanlon's Razor would be a convenient excuse for supporting politicians and government in general. Slippery slope, discounting malice is.
@@LoveLawWill Just because it is stupidity and not malice, doesn't mean you are allowed to do it. What are you on a about ? Since when is it and excuse for anything ?
It's a redirect with a post kicking motion.
Elbow (2 minutes), Trip/Kneeing (2 minutes), embellishment ( 2 minutes) would have been a more accurate outcome than what happened. Add in a kick complete with an OBVIOUS follow through and we know the NHL is determined to get Seattle into the playoffs this year....
That's news to Seattle. You might want to sit down and watch a few of their games if there is one thing that they don't get that would be favorable calls.
Honestly I don't see a tripping call either way they ran leg into leg, there wasn't an active tripping motion, and I don't find that the skate to the face was intentional at all.
I say let em get up and keep going.
Yup, and I'm a Wild fan. A no call, would have been easier to swallow.
Yep, kicking motion.
The officiating and replay room calls have been horrible to start this season across the league.
ummm might need a better look but that appears to be a distinct kicking motion
I am not surprised John Forsland called it correctly. He has never been a homer play by play guy. I miss John calling the Hurricanes game. Best play by play guy in the league hands down. Should call the SCF in my opinion. Much much better than SM!!!!
Thank you for helping me remain completely closed to viewing the NHL.
The officiating in the Kraken-Stars game was also crappy
It's this level of incomitance that any normal person working a 9-5 job would get fired, or at least reprimanded.
I remember watching this live, could not believe it either.
A pair of beer league refs would have done a better job than these two. That is the most brutal officiating that i have seen in a long time. Everyone misses a call now and then but not like this!
Gotta love that sell from Tanev like he just got his chin caught by Brodin's skate as he went down.
TBH the call you're highlighting isn't close to the worst you'll see (maybe for UA-cam video viewer engagement reasons), and as you mention, they may have had a better angle. If I'm reffing using the TV though, yeah, I'd call it the other way. The officials in SEAvMIN missed a lot of calls. If you watch the whole Seattle feed, the frequent refrain was "(Kraken player) taken down...and yet we play on."
That seattle player definitely should've gotten an embellishment penalty for that.
As a Wild fan, I don't think that was a kick-in. Mainly because the movement of his skate didn't propel the puck at all, the puck hit his skate, deflected into the goal and his skate only started moving towards the goal after the puck had already hit the skate and deflected away from the skate.
All those refs should be fired for making the worst call in NHL history.
holy heck, that is brutal - yes elbow for sure should have been called. Yes no MIN penalty on the trip, should have 100% been on SEA. Yes kicking motion, no goal. I have no dog in the fight, this is just plain brutal. Just make officials available to media.
We’re used to this in Minnesota
all officials have been AWFUL so far this year
The ref probably wasn't watching the play (which makes no sense since he had the puck) and only saw Tanev go down with a skate blade to the face and made the wrong call. The PP goal was definitely a kicking motion, so that shouldn't have counted either. Not a great night for the refs, but this is sadly becoming much more the norm lately than the exception.
the elbow to EK wasn't called. the identical elbow by meyers was 5 and a game last year. it's all about the logo on the jersey not the infraction.
almost got hit by the skate...imagine if the ref would have called a 2 minutes for delaying the game for that
Wonder if the league reviews the penalty calls?
This is just a continuation of the worst 10-day stretch in Minnesota sports history.
Why do they need 4 idiots out there clogging up the ice and missing calls when 3 Idiots will do.
The Sharks v. Dallas (2024/Oct/15) was similarly egregious...
With about 54 seconds left in OT, Sharks player is facing away from an attacking player while skating towards the puck.
The Dallas player runs into HIS BACK (while head down?) and bounces off, falling to the ice..
Of course, the Sharks get called for interference.
what the what?? That's insanity!
Why would the elbow be called? Larson was moving the puck along the board, his elbow had nowhere else to go than the direction it went. Errikson was just unfortunately trying to go for a hit right at that same moment.
Oh so if he accidentally elbows Erickson IN THE FACE it’s not a penalty. Lemme check the rulebook. Just in, accidents are still penalties
@@tylernoble8137 Well, Erickson shouldn't'a run his face into Larson's elbow!
@@Machtyn thank you for admitting I’m right.
The officiating has been terrible this season. I saw them call a slashing call on vegas, when it was the vegas player who got slashed
Bad penalty call and a missed kicking motion. That’s crazy.
NHL script said penalty call, nothing ref could do
lol the delusion
@@krakenspectacordon’t agree with the script but it should have been Tanev going to the box aswell at very least at most a tanev penalty on his on Brodin didn’t trip him
@@turboj7211 probably a no call on that one and same with one they made on the Kraken. It was bad both ways last night. It happens.
@@krakenspectacor it happens and this is why I have been saying for years that on a play like that they should go upstairs and check it because then atleast u get it right
@@turboj7211 you think you want that but you really don’t. Would be hell on viewers. The game wasn’t decided by penalties
I have been seeing this type of CRAP happening in all sports this year. It's like someone has BIG bets on games, and they're paying the refs off to be sure they win. I'm not a fan of either of these teams, but that was a Bullsh*t call, and the league will do NOTHING about it. Refs making these types of calls should be demoted to AHL for a year, and if caught making the same type of calls there, they should be fired from officiating.
not a fan of either team . I watched part of the game until the trip had enough refs are calling the game for Kraken
What a ridiculous call. We've seen rules being completely ingnored in mtl games too.
WOW, just wow. The NHL higher ups needs to fix this now before someone get hurt or killed. Please fix the Officiating. It needs to be fix today not tomorrow. today.
That ref is crooked. Either in his eyes or in his wallet.
Some would say it’s a kick? If you’re someone who doesn’t think that’s a kick, get your eyes checked
If it looks like a kick and smells like a kick, it has got to be a kick.
@@BobSchroden good thing none of that happened
The worst sequence of calls I've ever seen. Unbelievable.
He whipped his head back to avoid a skate to the throat or face. You whip your head back like that on purpose, it's gonna hurt.
As for the call, he should have been in the box not the Wild.
I guess it's just wild.
It wasn’t a kicking motion, super close but his skate was going forward away from the net. Sloppy redirect if anything.
Betmann has a hard on for seattle, they get "favourable" calls probably more than any team besides Vegas
I have no horse in this race and I will not defend any call here, just trying to figure out what happened. One thing I saw at the 0:48 mark in the video Brodin's right knee hits Tanev's right knee, just as Tanev's stick is lifting Brodin's foot off the ice. MAYBE that's what the ref saw??? I don't know, it's the only thing I see that would even remotely explain the call. {shrug}
say it with your heart homie
I think Minnesota should have challenged the goal. Always a chance it doesn't get called back but the refs accidentally give the Kraken a penalty
Distinct kicking motion. No argument
That was a kicking motion. I know. I am a flames fan.
That’s a disgrace.
not my team but yes. That is 1) tripping plus high sticking/embellishment. 2) a missed elbow clear as day that should be at least 4 minutes as the player was bleeding. 3) a kicking motion, shouldnt even be considered a goal. Refs sucked that game.
GIVE A DOZEN DONUTS FOR THE REFS!
definitely a kicking motion kicking towards the net.
Officiating has been horrible this year
That is a kicking motion. That puck was propelled forward by a skate moving forward. 2 minutes these refs should be ashamed of.
@@FactsMatter see an optometrist asap. There was no motion toward the net before the puck deflected
@@krakenspectacorthis coming from a kraken fan
gotta say this was just as bad as the Rangers vs Utah Officiating
That’s not a goal, that is a kicking motion
Wow, getting hosed like that by the refs in your own building.
Fan of neither team... the league ow the Wild an apology for that one.
The Wild 2 weeks ago and then the Vikes get screwed on Thursday. Yeah, this tracks.
Eberlys goal was a kick in
technically the correct call but should have been none , the first contact is from Brodine's leg to the Seattle players
His stick was against the boards
shouldn't have been a power play but that flinch foot movement wasn't an illeagel goal
Not sure how you mess that up that badly and don’t even talk about it.
Also with the oilers too
Sounds like the average Canucks game.
No to trip ? Knee to knee . Did he stick his knee out. 100% kicking motion. Even though it probably would've gone in without the motion
That 2nd goal never should have counted!! Wild got robbed !!!
Kick, his skate was moving, don't think he needed to move it towards the goal, just redirect tbe puck, but still enough motion to call it a kick
A "distinct kicking motion" is the new "goaltender interference", do you know what it is? do I know what it is? do the refs know what it is? who knows....we'll just make it up as we go along..... and that tripping penalty is why any play should be available for a coachs challenge to the NHL war room
Its hard to call tripping on the player laying on the ice lol
The fix is in.
Kicking motion 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
He puts his knee out
Sports betting is killing all sports. This is just garbage. We have replays.
Wait for it..Bettman wants them to go far enough to create a fanbase. It will be a lot more questionable calls this year i bet. Keep track of it
oh shut up
this is Seattles 3rd season. they have a fan base.
@@justinmiller5660 so fan base for the start of a new organization only stays so long bud. Because it was new doesn't meat the fair weather friends stay. BETTMAN does this with all the organizations needing extra help. Check out his history in the last 20 years, it is not new
Second kraken vid of the season, this is crazy