TURBO LS-WHEN ARE PORTED HEADS NECESSARY?
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- Опубліковано 30 бер 2020
- FULL BOOSTED DYNO RESULTS. Turbo Junkyard 4.8L, Cheap EBay GT45 turbo, stock 706 vs TFS 205 CNC Heads test. Do ported heads add power? Can you just run more boost? Can You home port stock heads? Why modify before boost? What is that drink? Happy Hour & Horsepower!
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He even puts "boost" on his lemonade.
🤣🤣
Nitro, not boost. lol
Everythings better with boost
@@billbirmingham nitro is just boost in a bottle. 😉
XD
Richard is definitely the type of guy I'd like to drink and talk cars with.
I linking while I’m dristening to him talk.
Why would you wanna drink richard
Yup just don’t think I could do the hard lemonade but that’s cool if that’s what he likes
I'm just imaging Richard's neighbors hanging out on the fence listening to story time haha
Your content has improved a lot since earlier days. You used to sound like a sales man, but now I really enjoy seeing your true personality coming out. Thanks for sharing.
Tiit Saul I loved this guys content back when it was just in magazines, but his early videos felt kinda “forced”. This more laid back format is cool. It’s like talking to that car guy neighbor we had growing up.
I like his new approach but the old spitfire info got the job done too. This is good for folks that need someone to talk them through the data though and he delivers! Richard is the man!!!
The key is to make the engine as efficient as possible before putting the turbo kit on.
My thoughts exactly
Speed costs money, how fast... Richard, you make it so easy for all the rest of us to make well informed decisions on how to spend our money, cost benefit, real world results... the list goes on. Easily one of the most educational and interesting engine channels on youtube. Please don't ever stop being you. Cheers!
Boils down to "how big is your wallet" most often it seems
that's what car modding is. how fast do you wanna go vs. how much do you wanna spend.
better flowong heada that allow lower boost for the same HP might result in lower IATs which means you worry less about knock, which could mean the difference between using pump gas vs e85 or having better ignition timings. also gives the motor some room to grow for bigger turbos in the future.
Cash represents time spent or risk in the past, if you spend last year's time to buy the heads or time porting it now yourself it makes no difference as both are time spent past or present. Or time spent in the future for those who put such things on a credit card.
For me it is important that it will last for long time.
Better with 500-600hp on the street then 900 in the garage !
Heads aren't going to be the issue with reliability when speaking boost
Mr flimflam fremdippity danyet well heads allow to run lower boost so lower boost means less strain and more longevity
Back in the late 80s I worked for Magnum Plus Nitrous based out of Houston. My Boss, the owner of the company said, Your motor is like your relationship if you don't have good head you will never maximize your performance" RIP John Stewart
Now we need a set of videos on how to port LS heads at home
There all over UA-cam and everyone almost says they are right and everyone else is wrong so I went to where all the horse power is made at a race shop down in fort Myers that let me hang out and watch this dude didn't even know his name and learned form him after trying a bunch of times ya learning by watching is the only way UA-cam videos well your not there and you really can't see it form all angles recommend doing it live the only way to learn
I’m the DIY middle of the road guy. Port it myself and do what I can’t within my budget.
I'm a big fan of Happy Hour & Horse Power!!
I think people underestimate how much 700hp in a street car actually is lol
Most people riding in a 700hp turbo car will believe you if you told them it makes 1200.
Funny cause it's true!
My C6 Z06 makes 630rwhp n/a on 93 pump gas. You can't hook it on the street whatever.
Totally agree.👍 Look how fast a 300bhp rally car is. In my current build (Pulsar GTiR, turbo 2.0L, ) I don't want more than 275AWkW. Then I wont be able to drive it on the throttle in the mountains. The roads are too narrow and twisty. Needs to be progressive and responsive.
Horses for courses. Some people want a traffic light hero. And that's cool to. But I don't like speeding tickets 😉
Heck Ian, even a lazy 500hp from ~ 500cubes in a sub 3500lb car is enough to frighten you with under 3.5:1 gears. The gobs wheelspin from the tall gearing makes the rear end feel like it's on ice. Very disconcerting when you hoof it in a built up area, it steps out and you snap the throttle off, it bites and cavorts off in a direction you'd rather it didn't. Parked cars, poles, pedestrians, gutters etc take on a surreal aspect lol.
To be fair unless you are racing anything more than 350 hp with decent torque is all you should ever want on the street. Doing rolling burnouts when you are already doing 60 mph really is overkill
I’m on the side where I want a power level but needs to be reliable and easy on the motor for long lasting fun!!
@Why Zee Two Fiddy then Richard Holdner drops a video giving you all 3 breaking every law in physics....
Also the term “fast” is very subjective. What used to be considered fast is no longer fast.
"now its a mikes hard lemonade... With a purpose". I vote that Richard Holdener should replace Johnathan Goldsmith as the most interesting man in the world for 2020. Just need to get Richard to do a video in a smoking jacket. Great video as always.
I'm SMOKIN in any Jacket
Best gear head on UA-cam hands down. You're awesome Rich!
Appreciate that
I’m on the every thing side but my wallet is on the bone stock side IV got something in the middle. 4.8 stage two cam springs and gt45 clone tremonatorX 9.883 at 16.5 psi wC16 and 22 deg timing. 3250p s10.
What kind of power are you seeing out of your gt45 or trap speed. I've got a 5.3 with 706s btr ss2 turbo cam sheet metal intake and 102mm tb with a emusa gt45r (rearmounted) trying to get to around 750whp so I can dip into 9s with my fbody. So far with a stock ls1 with sheetmetal intake an tb only on 9#s I made 530whp/540tq stock 60e/10bolt. I'm thinking if I can get 18#s I should be able to get around 750whp and dip into 9s out of the gt45r. 🤞🤞
I’ve been looking at the tfs genx 205’s for a couple years. Thanks for the video. This saved me $2200.
My vote always has been with "efficiency". Port your turbo heads. Cooler intake temps. Lower pressure levels. Lower backpressure. Literally zero downsides except "wallet".
Kincent Carter it’s like porting your wallet!
@@PetesGarageandperformance hell yeah
Killing it out here richard! I love dyno data but I like this more natural happy hour format and having more to the videos than dyno sheets.
Keep it up! Straight to the top!
Thank you for all of these videos. Love them, so much information. You rock 🤘
Great insight. I thought the answer would be invariably yes. Thanks for the kickass content. We love it!
Love the "Happy Hour" hang out session. Cheers! I greatly appreciate all the content and results. BTW my 6.0L LQ4 junkyard build will be somewhere in the middle. Looking forward to seeing the Sloppy vs. The World videos
Great video really happy with what I have learned from your channel
Cant get enough of your videos. the amount of information and knowledge you share (for free) is amazing. thank you so much.
Really enjoying the videos. I’m on the “if I’m gonna do it I want it all “ side
Loving the videos man. Keep it up 🤘
What i love about your and sloppy mekhanics is that you dont have to make a million buck to have fun ! thank you for everything your testing out for us !
Great video ,so helpful as usual
Definitely love the new laid back Richard, I’ve learned so so much from your Chanel man, keep those vids coming, always great content.
Richard knows so much.very knowledgeable.
Loving the content! Keep it up! You're a wealth of knowledge and one of the industry greats! Great resource you're creating here!
Thank you! Will do!
this explained a lot of my dilemma of upgrading heads which you already said I don't need to. with every answer I get I end up with 5 more questions lol.. thank you
Im defenitly in the middle! Doing myself everything you teach us and that i can do in my house. Thank you Richard
Impressive how humble you are God has blessed you with a wonderful gift!
Like and comment for the algorithm. Keep up the good work Richard!
That was very informative, thanks!
Richard, you are a Mad Scientist & I love you for it !!!! Thank you for all you do !
Your videos are becoming a daily routine for me mate, would love to have a pint with you one day cheers 🍻
Thanks for the info I have ben kinda lost in what LS to put in my 1981 c10 Daly driver keep up the good videos
Just an awsome and informative video, even with the Mikes hard hic ups lol. Keep the good stuff coming . Im in the middle just want lots of power that won't leave me stranded.
Love the "Happy Hour and Horsepower" premise! I'm an in the middle leaning a little more towards spending the money kind of guy. My build is a L76 stroker 403 with an LSA blower. I spent the money on the crank, pistons, rods, cam and ported blower. However, I ported my own heads. These are LS3 heads and are darn good stock. So I knew I didn't need that much more out of them to get to my HP goal of 8xxHP. I also enjoyed the research and work to do the porting. There is something soothing about doing that kind of work to me. Love your videos, you are by far the best source for this information and I just enjoy drinking and watching with you!
Awesome info and it was nice to enjoy a frost beverage with ya after a long day in the clinics! Can’t wait to get my car running this weekend!!! You have been an inspiration! Thank you!
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Thanks Richard. Enlightening as always. I get it when using the same boost psi. I might try 2x psi on moderate heads. I have to factor what I can plant to the ground.
I am willing to put an ls on my 72 satellite and this is by far the channel that I enjoy the most. The guy is genuine and true to himself. This is the kind of knowledge I like to listen to. Thanks for making awesome videos :)
Loving your philosophy on the grayer subjects. More of this ; it's good stuff. A rod stroke ratio video would be awesome.
nothing there
Seems like this was a no brainer but the way you explain it really helps prove it! Thanks Richard
I’ve seen very little of your content to this point & know it’s absolutely awesome reviews from the numerous times you’ve been mentioned in forums over the last couple years. As my build progresses I find myself asking these questions like as what’s my best option on a budget build vs buying aftermarket setups & here you are 😆 I’m currently building a forged 5.3 shortblock with factory crank. Considering what I want the top end to look like as far as power levels go & running my stock 862s, modifying them, or other alternatives. Thanks for the info./content man! It helps a lot of us out tremendously when some guys don’t want to review or repeat it in posts. We all gravitate back to the knowledge you’ve shared time & time again. Keep up the good work
happy to help-join the live feeds I have daily to get answers to direct questions
@@richardholdener1727 I’m glad someone out there is as interested in the testing as I am. Not sure if you’ve mentioned it yet as I’m playing catch up on all the videos but I’m looking for limits of stock 862 valves in my forged bottom end 5.3 that’ll be high revving & thrashed on. Hoping with all ARP hardware & a good tune that the valve doesn’t become the weak link that hurts anything else. I’m not very social media savvy but I’ll see if I can find the live feed! Thank you 💪🏼
If you are racing and the limiting factor is power adder sizing then you will need everything. Stage 99 head hogging, big solid roller cam, lightweight rotating assembly (relatively, but designed for power adder) Ported everything and big intake and exhaust piping.
That pour was perfection!
wish i herd this type of reasoning 10 years ago. Took a lot of time an money to figure out what richard just said. Great vids man keep them going.
"With a purpose"
My man...
I don't know, but I've heard that drinking Mike's will make your hair fall out...
@@michaelangelo8001 🤣
I’m so excited to see your video of how to port heads at home, if Brian tooley was leaning over your shoulder.. Take all the time you like, excruciating detail is welcome!
Thanks for the videos very informative a1racingparts
Day 13 down to Mike's and old dyno footage, must survive... Richard thanks man for the content!!
You must now teach us the porting mystic arts. Big Bang motors brought us LS boost goodness, now happy hour and horsepower will bring home brew head porting!
Give me 90% performance for 10% dollars any day.
Double wishbone alley cat tiger toe spider 2Y banana here we come!
Definitely in the middle....dnt have a huge budget but added cam and head work sure makes it easier to grow in power dwn the road
Richard I'm glad you mentioned valve de-shrouding. IMHO this is where most gains are and it's pretty easy.
Bowl work is definitely the most power per hour of labor. I have yet to see a decently modern engine which benefits more than marginally from deshrouding - unless you add a significant change in bore diameter.
@@needadate do both with a parallel valve v8
Thank you. Great video. Love the t-shirt :)
Great info. 👍
Over a 2 year period of time I helped a friend tune his 1080cc (Kaw. ZRX1100) from 120Hp NA up to 500Hp with Turbo.
One of the "several" build combinations/upgrades was head work. Long story short, we jumped from 220Hp to 260Hp with the head work (same cams, cam timing and boost) 👍
Mods were over size valves (with proper un-shrouding in combustion chamber), porting (which included epoxy for calculated critical choke area in intake ports).
He did raise the compression from 8:1 to 8.4 so not all of the 40Hp gained was from the head work but most of it was...
You’re a legend Richard!
Had me on the edge thinking you were going to knock over that drink. That's some experienced hand gesturing right there.
These videos are incredible! I would love to see a VVT cam vs non VVT with the same cam specs on both! L94 L99
Won't really make more power just the torque curve will be wider.
Now we are Talkin 😃!
Mikes hard lemonade with a purpose - I can respect that. Thanks for the data points
Richard is the definitive guide to all things ls. Hes down to earth, will answer your questions and is probably the single most important channel for almost all things ls and testing.
THNX
I did my best on my first port job .. turned out pretty good
Lmao, never knew Rich was a drunk, I like him even more now!! 🤣🤣🤣
There may or may not have been pre purpose
LS firing order 🤓 Love the shirt man! 🍻
THNX
I have a 6.0 I’m working on boosting, since I paid 1500 bucks for it i am going take Richards advise and do the things needed to be done to keep it together, if I had the 500 dollar version LS I would just send it for sure then go buy another as soon as it expired.
Great content ! Would love to see a DIY
4.8 build in the garage with all you can do by yourself and a cheap turbo vs everything you bolt on a 4.8 . Goal for both 900 hp :)
"Mike's with a purpose" 🤣🤣 i enjoy the videos. I consider myself one that's middle of the road, that takes a little from column A and a little from column B.
I hate I'm watching this on UA-cam instead of sitting at the table with you. Lol my brother from another mother
I built a 377 which is an ls3 with a stock crank. I put my stock ls1 top end on it from my 2004 GTO. Untouched 241 heads, ls6 intake, and stock throttle body. Custom cam and btr .660 lift springs. D1x with 15 psi on E85. I tuned it on the street and it's a lot of fun. Hope to get it to a dyno when things get back to normal to see what the curves look like and how much power it's making. I hope to do heads and a completely different top end next year. I did this simply for budget reasons, but it seems to work a lot better than most would think.
6.0 with some cleaned up 706's. Super punchy turbo down low. Basically a single turbo LS "EcoBoost" combo that pulls to 6k. 500 tire on low boost with 91 octane. The Unicorn.
Sounds good.
I agree, it depends on the budget and power goal. It's not definitely always this or that. It's simply not always necessary for a head and cam package. If you have the cash though. It's always the smart thing to do. For all the obvious reasons you listed. More power at lower boost, more power all around, etc. The right combination regardless which why you go is key. If you want to maximize said combination. That's the biggest mistake most people make. To many try and force a square block in a round hole. Doesn't matter how hard you try. It's not going to work until you have the piece that actually work together.
When I first found your videos years ago, not gonna lie, I got the wrong impression.. that being said, I just want to thank you for all your hard work, if it was easy everyone would do it. If I found all these LS comparison videos 2 years ago, I guaranteed this would have saved me money on my swap. I landed with an LY6, maybe i'll spend my 1200 on a new VS 78/75 gen 2 - mess around and make 800HP (lol), have something to show for it in the end ;P
Thanks again Richard
good combo
How does Richard only have 38k followers? The info he provides alone is invaluable.
Great job Richard!!! I’d rather go better heads and less boost. And nice shirt by the way!!!!
Same cloth. Thank you.
Trevor your absolutely right how deep is your pocket determines how much power you make !!! But i see alot of this turbo cam intalls because of it being forced induction but i willing to bet that any stage n/a cam will make more power than its equal stage turbo cam, this is something id like to see in comparison with reasonable hp levels, hook it up Richard !!! Your vids are awesome !!!
my first turbo build i was very budget minded, now as im building my second setup im slowly starting to come into the "grey" area... first setup was just a junkyard engine GT45 and a sloppy stage 2. Now im using a actual turbo camshaft, better heads that are home ported a borg s475 and a few more performance odds and ends plus some visual features too... it was fun to see how cheap and easy it was to do on a budget, now its nice to throw a couple mindful bucks here and there on the setup to see what gains ill have over my first build.
just the video I needed
I'm a street guy that likes to have a good reliable car or truck. I like to unleash the power of the stock engine with a cam and intake, carb combo. the reason is I'm not a professional racer and I can't justify going all out race gear to cruise the street where I'll never use the maximum amount of of power a race engine can make. I don't need race heads that flow a ton at.700 or. 800 inch of lift to only have a. 500 to .600 lift cam when factory heads flow almost as as good in that range. just like it's useless to put in a big solid roller cam in an engine that won't be revved above 6000 rpm. I learned along time ago to research first ask lots of questions and match the carb to the intake to the heads and cam to displacement and you'll make good usable power for the least amount of money. case in point. my brother has nova it had a 283. he drove it all the time had lots of fun. replaced the 283 with a mild 350 still drove it all the time had more power and more fun. he replaced the 350 with a badly miss matched 400 with 11.1 compression. it's fast and has to run race gas but now it mostly sits in the garage and isn't having fun anymore. he got disgusted with it because now he can't drive it and cruise like he used to. I've tried giving him some ideas to fix it but he isn't too hip to my advice. he was to young to remember my mustang. I blew up 3 transmission and sold the motor
Beautiful video. ... I'm quite new to all I'd this engine tuning, modification and design stuff; but for someone like me with significant budget constraints I'd try to improve the engine with slow upgrades and leave the turbo for the end, like a nice cherry on top of your fave choice of desert.
I'm the guy that took rec port BBC head got the machine shop top cut them for 2.25/1.88 valves and the port work myself. I'd like to do the same in my to be turbo'd 6.0L LQ4. Look forward to seeing your porting video
Supercharged E-40 lemonade! I'd like to try my hand at porting someday. But I haven't slept all night and I have a brake job to do in 4 hours. Goodnight.
I like the way he drop compression on his bottle and he put more boost on it 😎😎😎 just like a boss
I'm definitely somewhere in the middle. Building a bored and stroked 5.3L out to 6.3 liters. I have nice Cam Motion positive supercharger cam, Eagle forged rotating assembly, stock 862 heads which I'm mildly porting along with buffing the chambers and 2"/1.575" valves. On top will be a 2.9L whipple P.D.S.
Dude I never even thought of mixing vodka with Mike's and I work at a beer store. Gonna start cutting wine coolers with vodka now. You are just full of wisdom my friend. Love it!
or shine-that's full boost
@@richardholdener1727 I'd hate to see that big bang 🤣
Doing my first LS swap in a 86 short bed so going stock for now till I can get it running.. learning as I go need lots of help not a whole lot of cash flow to get it done
Excellent as always. I like that middle ground, modify your own head choice. Can we have more information about that please?
the one thing you always overlook is hp with octane limits. like say you have a 5.3 with a decent turbo and want to make a streetable setup at say 800 hp but are limited to 91 octane. lower boost equals lower iat which reduces the risk of detonation. aka a reliable street friendly motor. but I really do appreciate and enjoy your content.
I DON'T OVERLOOK HP WITH OCTANE LIMITS-YOU RUN LESS TIMING AND MAKE LESS POWER
I'm somewhere in the middle i guess, I like the idea of saving money on heads and spending it on other things, but also like the idea of making the same power at lower boost.
I’m a real supporter of the underdog(and I’m tight with money) so I will go for the stock head deal. Makes me warm inside when I see a real low budget blown ls make more power than a fully built 4 cylinder.
I ported my 243’s for my LS2, takes some work but it’s fun and nearly free
Happy Hour & Horsepower should be the name of your new business 😉
Awesome information enjoy that beverage😜
Ported heads are good on N\A \ turbo \ nitrous or blown engine. No matter what setup ported or better heads are worth it. Now if its in the budget thats a different story