Why Modern Movies Suck - Critical Drinker
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Omg thank you, I thought I was the only one who believe this.
Movies are so bad today.
This was an excellent interview, it brought me to your channel. Will is so knowledgeable and his opinions are extremely interesting. It's also nice to hear his non-Drinker voice. 😄
Welcome aboard!
@@triggerpod Thanks very much indeed! 💖
I actually like the drinker much more in his unscripted videos (Happy Hour, Open Bar etc). Hi is scripted stuff is good but the repetitive cadence he uses does irritate me a bit.
agreed. that voice is fecking irritating
Go away now
Jimmy Stewart was a huge star with a career spanning decades. Why? Because he so easily portrayed himself as a man we could relate to. Was there evil in the world’s of these movies? Of course, whether it be the greedy banker in It’s a Wonderful Life, corrupt politicians in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, or murderous thieves in The Far Country. And in every one of those stories the main character eventually finds the best parts of himself and gives us all hope.
That is what makes a story great and timeless. Think of Odysseus in Homer’s works, Don Quixote in what many recognize as the first novel, Shakespeare’s heroes (most of them anyway), and Dicken’s work. There is wickedness in the world and in ourselves. Great entertainment shows us that and, more importantly, suggests that we can do better, be better men despite the odds.
Now we just get immersed in self indulgent, nihilistic drek.
Jimmy Stewart came to mind watching this, well said
It would be impossible to make Mr Smith Goes to Washington today with the same ending. In fact, no Frank Capra “little guy triumphs in a corrupt system” film could be made without it being a tragic mockery of reality. We need a real Mr Smith to somehow show that it can actually be done before old school capital R Romantic films can return.
It is not that every movie in Stewarts time was aspirational or with a message his performance in Vertigo was anything but that.
Back then there was more of a balance where most movies had a morality to them and the odd one did not and may shock or entertain you. Today it is all degenerative nihilism.
@@bighands69 you are absolutely correct. Even The Philadelphia Story is more “complicated” and Jimmy Stewart’s character is far from good in every way.
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Stewart's character in vertigo was shocking to say the least but it would be very hard today when every story tries to shock you. It has gotten to the point today that they are using horrible disgusting characters to try and shock but it is boring. The movie Rope has a very intense opening scene that is shocking.
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Cheers from tha darkening 1984-society once called the Netherlands.
I'm done with all new movies, TV, and commercials. Able to get plenty of good old movies from the library if I feel like relaxing looking at the box.
Same here. I watch all the old ones. Hate this woke narrative 😢
I'm only 26 & I cut out all ads from my life 6 years ago. Stopped watching new movies & TV shows around the same time. There are still some gems, but they're far more common in prior decades. The 70s & 90s were especially good for films.
The only thing is when you do find a good modern movie you are actually support that endeavor financially and with enough time there will be a push towards those good movies. The good thing about the internet is that it allows us to try and find them and identify them for others. I have an extensive large library of movie.
Dune 2021 is an exception to modern rubbish.
Anime folks anime
Movies these days bring nothing but constant, enforced, finger-wagging lecture because the straight white man still exists. We just want to be entertained & drawn into a beautiful fantasy world were we can feel happy & amazed for a few hours creating what is called an "Afterglow"
Drinker is a smart, creative guy. Love his channel.
I watch Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, and Indonesian movies, and occasionally movies on Janson Media. They are almost always free from the woke feces coming out of Hollywood. And I would agree, Top Gun 2 is a wonderfully entertaining exception. ☺
Is it woke every time you see a black person on screen?
What's the problem with the industry? Simple... they tossed all those screenwriters that know how to write a story overboard for tumbler political activists that have no idea how to even write a story, but do know how to ramrod politics down your throat.
I stopped watching new movies at least eight years ago. I didn’t give it much thought, they were just unappealing and uninteresting. After listening to this clip, I suddenly realized why I had stopped watching new movies. Movies for me have always been a form of escapism, I prefer upbeat movies with a positive message. A little disappointing to realize those are not made anymore but on a positive note, there’s an amazing back catalog of incredible movies that I can always enjoy. Good stuff as usual, lads, keep it up.
Having an industry that produces mostly an upbeat tone with the odd shocking movie was great. Seeing the likes of Pulp Fiction, Silence of the Lambs or Unforgiven with mainstream films like Forrest Gump, Crimson Tide and Apollo 13 was just a fantastic movie industry. You could choose what you wanted to watch.
Today it is all just nihilism.
Only 8 years ago? Not watched a decent film for like 25 years.
@@edmundblackaddercoc8522 Well I’m probably not as smart or cool as you are, I’m probably a lot more like Baldric When it comes to things like objectively knowing what a decent movie is
@@edmundblackaddercoc8522 All snarking aside (I couldn’t resist the baldric reference) although I stopped watching new movies eight years ago, that was after several years of watching absolute garbage so there is that
@@bighands69 Yes, the 1990s, Hollywood was absolutely flying! They knew what they were doing with marketing, screenwriting, directing, production design and music. In the 2020s I feel like filmmakers are telling me off. Making me feel bad.
I completely agree, I really want to enjoy new movies but they are extremely woke, and they're a buzzkill. I just watched Spirited, it was good for the most part, but one of the characters compared people who have gender reveal parties to awful human beings, biology is being erased, it's so Orwellian. "War is Peace".. that's how it starts
Gender reveal parties are awful.
The Drinker never fails to bring me insight and laughter. Cheers to all
Moral ambiguity seems to be the flavour of the day.
Such a good video guys. Congrats. Really like hearing how you explain simple facts that are so twisted today in media
Recently found his channel and I love it. Glad to see him on the show
Not only do modern movies show a bleak and nihilistic picture of humanity, when there is a moral it is almost always displayed in a way that is about grandstanding awesomeness in front of people, and the morals of the story are shyte anyway. The new crop of writers are infected with that progressive disease whose symptoms include vanity, envy and pride and I'm afraid the condition may be terminal
I agree with what they are saying...to a point.
Movies don't haven't to be aspirational to be good and self-deprecating to be bad. It all depends on how you do it that matters. For instance, the New Hollywood era of American filmmaking is considered to be one of (if not the) best film eras of this country in general. Films like Deliverance, Cool Hand Luke, and Josey Wales are just a few of the gems that came from this.
And one of the hallmarks of that style of filmmaking was a decidedly subversive or pessimistic theme to a lot of the movies made during that time. A lot of them were definitely not aspirational, but were very good movies nonetheless. The writing is so key here. If you're going to make a grim movie about the human condition, you can very much do it in a way that doesn't constantly try to clobber you over the head with what the Drinker would call "The Message" over and over.
The problem with modern movies isn't so much that they are subversive social justice cesspools, it's that they just suck. It's more the Quality itself of these films that are lousy, they are only concentrating on the message without bothering to make a great film. The writers are lazy and infantile.
I should add I'm a lukewarm fan of both Triggernometry and The Drinker, so I'm not saying this just to be disagreeable.
Good comment. The discussants lack awareness of film history and tend to cherrypick examples to suit their rather one-dimensional argument.
Yes, but after a while audiences grew tired of those nihilist movies. Star Wars and Jaws came and changed the landscape. Movies for a decade and a half became big hits and fun again. People will only take downers for so long before they want to be positively entertained again.
@@n.d.m.515 Both can exist at the same time, and I would agree dark and dismal tires after awhile. Although Jaws is really horror and is considered New Hollywood.
Star Wars is one of the first films of the new blockbuster era, and yeah it really changed the industry. The problem with blockbusters though is studios tend to prioritize profit over quality. There are still a lot of gems, but you have to sift through all the other crap to get to them.
It's sustainable because idiots keep watching everything that is released no matter how bad it is. Anyone who still watches marvel , star wars or Disney movies is the problem. People think that these movies are bad yet they watch every single one that comes out just in case there's something good in there. Like She-Hulk why is that such a big show to talk about online? Why is anyone watching it when it's such trash? People need to value their time more abd stop giving them your money!
I do not think there is that many people watching it. There is very few people going to the cinemas today. I have several theaters that are sitting empty a lot of the time with the odd full house.
What is keeping these sorts of projections in circulation is that the studios have deep credit pockets and they have been in an historically cheap credit period that allowed them to get away with nonsense.
I have started to notice that Paramount and Warner have started to produce more entertainment based projects but is it too little too late as audiences may never return again.
I mean the box office is kinda bad. Like look at mcu before phase 4, they were making one billion for every movie but now it is rare for them.
Francis, 12 Years a Slave was not accurate. It has been forensically analysed and is full of inaccuracies. It has exaggerated the events. Those events were still terrible but the whole story has been manipulated for maximum antiracist impact.
What? Comparing Independence Day to Game of Thrones or House of Cards and proclaiming that means aspirational movie making is dead? Independence Day is a completely different type of film to those two shows (e.g. a stupid giant summer blockbuster), not to mention the fact there was plenty of bleakness in 90s cinema. Ever heard of Good Fellas? Reservoir Dogs? Se7en for christ sakes? It seems to me this type of cheap conflation is exactly the type of thing this channel would usually be up in arms about
I think you are missing the point. Every movie today is nihilistic. There are no Forest Gump movies today alongside Silence of the lambs.
What we get today is only Silence of the Lambs were lesbian queer folk are the victims and it tends to be trash.
There are many films that show slavery eg; Spartans, Vikings, ten commandants, Ben Hur and in these films the slaves weren't from sub saharan Africa! Slavery has existed since mankind has had settled societies in every continent on the planet except of course Antarctica!
the drinker just completely makes perfect sense, totally agree with his view
Great analysis.
The ONLY decent new movie I have seen post-CV19 has been TOP GUN 2. All the rest were very forgettable at best.
Love this guys reviews. Smart and funny
I still have hope for Hollywood coming back, the 80s and 90s now seem like a golden era for Hollywood and you didn't realise how good u had it at the time, you just took it for granted. The 60s and 70s were a DIAMOND era for Hollywood.
I don’t think it’ll come back. The internet has ruined everything.
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It depends. All it really needs is one very enterprising investor with the vision to really capitalize on that market need.
Hollywood could be finished with a new region taking its place but it could also be reborn again.
Cinema is where the real opportunity exists for somebody to really get struck into.
It is funny how tons of around the mid 2000s were bad but now they look good because of today’s movies.
A very useful perspective on whether art should champion vice and criminals rather than heroes is set out in Ayn Rand's book The Romantic Manifesto. There was a reason the classical world had heroes!
I read more and more about actors who want to set up production studios outside of Hollywood where they can make the movies they want without "interference" and the "agenda". Credible actors and directors who have no problem securing private and specialist investment to produce the movies they know the fans want and movie theatres need. There are so many veteran screenwriters, producers and directors who grew up and travelled around the world in the 20th Century and they still have something to say. Many have retreated to TV, but let's see them making mid-budget movies again.
I wonder if you know about Disney and their political endeavours ? Worth looking into if you don’t know . ✌️
what happened to painting as an art form? well, eventually everything was done / had already been done before at a genius level, and it then became impossible for any painter no matter how good to ever do a painting that could enter the universal public conscious / the pantheon (and btw, warhol pollock and lichtenstein were all f*cking terrible). the same thing happened to rock music 20 oidd years ago- there hasnt been any good new rock music ever since, and now maybe its seemingly happening to tv and film too?
That cannot be true because there was great artists after the renaissance period. The neo classical period started almost 400 years after the start of the Renaissance and many people mistakenly assume they are part of the same period.
The great romantic writers came after the likes of Elizabethan Era playwrights such as Shakespeare.
Remember the Renaissance was a period of revival that started with those studying the classical Roman and Greek period.
Maybe in 200 years time there will be a New Hollywood period maybe they will call it the Neo-Hollywood period.
@@bighands69 what are you even talking about? Are you seriously claiming that the renaissance painters covered every base / expressed everything that a painting can? Of course not. Im not saying tv and film are as hopelessly dead as painting and rock music but that they might be, and are certainly tracking only down,
@@johnwatts8346 there’s always a few good bands break through every decade, you have the likes of Sam Fender currently who would have made it in any era. I do agree that the 60/70/80’s had a deep pool of talent.
@@scottw3780 a few good bands here and there a decade isnt the same as a constant ongoing stream of amazing genius level bands and artists is it.
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Your point was that everything has already been achieved hence why it does not continue.
I am trying to point out that just because there was something of beauty 200 years ago such as a song does not mean a song cannot be written today that is beautiful. You can have different actors in different eras.
You can look at a beautiful women from 100 years ago in a photo and still see a beautiful women in a photo from 2022.
Theyve lost the concept of brilliant dialogue. Everything has to be a spectacle
I thought "Rings of Power" was bad and then my son played me the Critical Drinker's take on it and I realised two things. Firstly "Rings of Power" is much worse than I thought and secondly he sounded like someone from my High School.
What we have is a secularized Calvinism. We are doubly damned,
If you want to write a story that will be timeless, then you must stick to certain timeless themes & archetypes. You can bend reality no problem as long as the archetypes & core story adhere to the formula. However they are trying to change the formula & w/ it the standard for what timeless is, which is why they fail.
Really good writing does not need to stick to those principles but it most certain can dip into them or pass them by as it feels the need to.
Bad writing on the other hand really needs those structures that have been established over thousands of years.
The Bunny Game is without doubt the greatest film ever made.....👍
I love Frank Capra's films, great messages .....................
Frank Capra, John Ford and Hitchcock all made very interesting movies and some of them could be dark at times when they needed to be.
Turn off the TV and go for a book!
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Why does Francis look like he's holding his breath?
Agreed, Emilio Estévez is very good.
I think the actual issue is thinking that movies NEED to have a propaganda style message.... they take the view that art needs to be about teaching the viewer something... rather than simply art being for its own sake.
I think movies can simply be for their entertainment value, and for the sake of telling a GOOD story. A good story doesn't have to have a message at the end... this is why comedy can be so successful when the whole point of jokes is that they are short fictions that are not a serious message.
These guys are just saying "urgh movies are too left wing in their propaganda they need to be right wing.. lame.
That's all he's got for today....Gor away, now
Dune was the first movie in a long time where I saw Hollywood abounding a woke agenda for a classic big budget Hollywood movie. They focused more on just making a good movie with the mot qualified cast and no PC agenda. I’m a big movie buff and I see that movie as a big change from what was coming out for years before that… hopefully it continues in that direction like with Maverick.
Black person in movie means woke HURDUR
I agree but universities are not a good place to learn about life and people especially these days. I think he is missing a large cultural shift that occurred with the internet people lost any faith they had left in politics with the flow of information we can see through the rose tinted glasses.
“Look how bad things are”….Has this guy seen any movies from the 1970s? Chinatown, The Godfather, Taxi Driver, One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, Network…Not exactly the most aspirational and inspirational era of filmmaking
oh come on now mate- theres some truly hilarious bits in schinders list- when hes hosing down the trains in the hot sun- 'you are giving them hope, schindler, it is YOU who are cruel',
Look at you in your short shirts!
Funnier if he'd used his drunk, angry Glaswegian voice to reply.
I don't mind going to the dark side, as in 'House of Cards,' (which was excellent before they got rid of Spacey and wiped their arses with the final season.)
It all depends on the writing and not being insulted by ideological drivel.
I suspect with the final season they were in a crisis due to having filmed it but Spacey was out. I think what we really need to figure out is a balance.
In the 1990s there was very dark movies like Silence of the Lambs, Seven and Pulp Fiction but there was also movies like Forrest Gump and Jerry Maguire.
You could see dark movies in that era and light movies. Nihilism was not the culture of the day like the modern world. I remember going into movies back then and knowing nothing about them and getting a massive surprise sometimes for the good and sometimes bad.
@@bighands69 Quite right.
Amistad, such a good movie 😮
The irony is that when reviewing films that went the opposite direction of the stuff he loathes and did it very well, he hated them. Take a film like "Midsommar" for example, he had no idea what the hell was even going on in it and called it "the worst movie all year". Midsommar was an excellent film, certainly a top movie that year and personally I'd say it comes pretty close to a masterpiece. So while he may qualify in the comedy dept. He's not exactly what you'd call an analyst is he. Get drunk and rant about all the blatant idiocy of Hollywood, I'm all for it. It's fun and crass and true most of the time. But to bring him in as some kind of zeitgeist meets cinematic expression expert is pretty far out.
The bean counters will kill the wokeness in Hollywood lol
Black person in movie means woke HURDUR
I don't think that "Twelve Years A Slave" was really accurate. For one thing it gave a very skewed picture of life at the time via selection bias. It's like the way the incredibly tiny handful of black men shot by cops gets treated like a genocide. Also, as strange as it sounds to modern people, there frequently was a bond between slave owners and slaves, and many slaves were very loyal to their owners. GWTW was at least as accurate as "Twelve Years", and probably more so.
There was nothing good about slavery. Are you on drugs?
He is sober, wtf
Yeah, you went to the movies to take you away from the everyday, droll of life! Escapism, for a short time!
THE CHAMPION OF AUSCHWITZ is a great movie which shows that people can find love in HELL itself. Cyberpunk 77 Edgerunners is awesome too: it shows the power of good dreams in a horrible and brutal world.
Cgi vs practical effects. Woke stories driving unbelievable characters. Comic book movies and reboots. Unoriginal lowest common denominator Trash.
Digital theaters are also inferior to film theaters.
@@bighands69 yes indeed.
Wait, isn’t his whole shtick about having a pessimistic nihilism about movie reviews?
Oh wow critical drinker
Sounds like he just wants to watch boring propaganda. Art isn't always meant to make you feel good and there's no reason movies can't be critical of ones country
The money will run out. Definitely. I did like 12 years a slave, though.
It's amazing how so many people on the right unironically think that movies need to be mindless trash with no message at all.
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