I lived in Missouri for about 20 years, I now live in California. A black variety with white flowers are native to Missouri, and generally,most of the talk/research, is in reference to this type of elderberry. In California, the native variety has large beautiful clusters of blue berries. Also, the flowers are pastel yellow. This wild variety sometimes grow into fairly large trees and I've seen them as tall as 30' if not more. But normally they will grow into a tree between 15 and ,20' feet. Most of them do tend to stay as a shrub though they seem to be larger than the eastern variety. I tried starting cuttings last year,but all of them eventually died, From what I read, it was probably due to poor drainage. I'm going to try again, also I'm going to try to plant some bareroot. There are thousands of these plants growing in the floodplain of a river,near one of my workplaces. Interestingly, this California variety usually goes thru a long dry Summer with no rainfall at all. Also, the PH is fairly neutral, so your right about some varieties having their own set of growing conditions. The reason the berries are blue out west is because they have a coating of yeast. I grew up surrounded by these beautiful plants and one year I gathered a 5 gallon bucket full of berries, far more than I needed. I forgot and left the bucket half full, a few days later, it had turned to wine. I had a small glass full, it was pretty damn good!
I appreciate this video…but living here in the extreme heat of Savannah Georgia I’ve learned that the elderberry I’ve seen were growing HAPPILY were in low lying areas as well as under shelters of larger trees…not necessarily directly, and in afternoon shelter here ….I’ve planted ours in an open area …in their own bed as well as afternoon sun ….they seem to be growing in leaps and bounds being only the second year with actually having berries the first growing season that the birds happily ate much to my dismay…this year seeing quite a bit of extended growth around the trees… all were started from cuttings and literally all took to my delight …nice to see your plants are well established …with the hopes that we will get a better harvest than the first year …many thanks for sharing this information…every area needs to be well thought out.
Oh my, I wish I'd had this info before I purchased/planted cuttings. They aren't as easy as other growers say they are. I'd love to get a couple of grown, well established, potted plants.
I have a couple of elderberry trees I bought in small pots. They have been transferred to a larger pot and are flowering. I took a photo of what I expected to be a bee on the flowers but it’s a fly as you mentioned.
I just put my first two elderberry plants in the ground. A gift to me from a friend that works for my husband that has a small elderberry farm. Im super excited to see how they produce next year. They are about half the fullness of the plant example you shared in this video.
Hi! I’m your neighbor to the East, NWA. Your videos on Elderberries are top notch! You’re the only ppl I found who would explain pruning as well as you did. I see you haven’t posted any videos in a year, I hope you come back soon. You’re a very good teacher Brent!
I would like to plant the sticks with the buds pointing up. That is all I know about planting. Should they be set in a pot of water? to produce roots. I have the time and space to grow from 'scratch'. Have a wild bush that I pick off while they ripen, small rewards ten pounds, just interested in baking so far. I need some help, hope to hear from you. Mary
Hi Mary, We propagate on a very large scale in a dedicated system, close to 2,000 at a time. For doing it on a small scale you could probably get more information by checking out "Elderberry World" on Facebook
Thank you for this great information. I have 3 Ranch Elderberry stick to plant. I have 2 dwarf Blueberry in the ground due to bloom this year. Can I plant these two berries together, or must they be very apart from the other? Thank you in advance for your answer.
This is very helpful. I just bought one that is 8 ft tall with 4 limbs growing straight up. Several little ones growing at the base. It's still in the original 2 gallon pot. I can't plant it for another 3 months. I will move it to a 7 gallon pot. Any advice?
I never let elderberries get that tall in a pot. Since it has new canes coming out at the base, I'd prune the tall canes back when re-potting so to avoid transplant shock. Then get that plant in the ground as soon as possible!
Hi Brent- I'm in Indiana and have been researching wild elderberries (about 300 plants) in my area. Most have a Brix level between 9-12. But I did find one that has a Brix of 18. I'm curious how that compares with the varieties that you have for jams and jelly making? Also, I have a couple that produce 16" cymes without pruning. I assume they would be larger if pruned. They do not have good fruit set but are great for flowers. Would you like any cuttings?
We also discovered a wide range of Brix values in elderberry. A Brix of 18 is what you want for jelly making and compares well with our sweeter berries. What you'll find is that soil chemistry plays an important role in establishing Brix value. You'll also find that higher Brix varieties tend to have much lower anthocyanin levels (antioxidant) , and vice-versa. I appreciate the offer of cuttings from your wild plants, but we specialize in varieties known to flourish in our area. We've found many varieties of elderberry to be site specific, something that's being studied in the next research by the University of MO.
@@360farms9 Thanks for the reply Brent. I did send some cuttings to the University of MO. I found a compact bush that produced 26 lbs 11 oz with evenly ripened fruit on cymes that held the berries well. The cymes are also decumbant when fully ripe which makes for easy harvesting decisions. The bush clearly outperformed Wildwood and Bob Gordon planted in the same area. We have high ph, heavy clay soils so a lot of named varieties don't do well here. Do you know any way to measure anthocyanin levels? I've heard hazy Brix readings mean high levels of minerals but do not know how to measure polyphenols or anthocyanins. I'm a huge believer in Korean Natural Farming(KNF) which reintroduces fungi and bacteria cultured from local woodland soils. I've used on cuttings that have leafed out almost 2 weeks earlier and hold leaves a month+ longer than the parent plant. KNF quickly builds carbon in soils and moderates ph. Supposedly, higher fungi levels directly impact Brix levels as more of the sugars are retained and not devoted to root exudates. I believe it also produces better tasting fruit, probably as you said in the video, by lowering soil ph.
You'll need a really good lab to do that service for you. Our Dept of Agri. has done some work for us in the past. We're a big believer in using mycorrhizae, it's nature at work.
Keith, which part of indiana? I am in allen co. I am planning to start many paw paws from seed and to start growing elder from cuttings this year. I only know a few wild or feral sources to use so I'd be interested in any help I could get.
It would be nice to hear it. The camera is across the room and the man is speaking in a toned down manner. I'm very interested in this but not willing to plant the phone in my ear to hear it.😫😫
It would have been better if this gentleman was outside actually showing how to get cuttings, cutting them, and physically planting them. Too much talking, not enough show...that's why I gave a thumbs down.
Susan, did you go to his other videos? He has several older ones where he is out there with the plants showing you. What he discussed in this one addressed issues I needed help with. Also, he may have been inside because the weather in Oklahoma has been off the charts crazy and since it's almost fertilizing time I think he thought it was important to get us this information now. Texas Deb
Yes they will grow in Canada, but shipping stock from a supplier in the US to you is a nightmare! There are suppliers in Canada , you'll just need to search them out. Just remember there are numerous species of elderberries out there. We only work with Sambucus canadensis- American Black Elder. Good luck
Eva contact Coen farm in Alberta. He grows lots of berries as well as pork and beef. I don't know where he is located compared to Calgary. Also Verge permaculture previously was in Calgary so Rob could be another source.
Great video thank you. I planted elderberries last fall. This is what I needed to know back then..
I lived in Missouri for about 20 years, I now live in California. A black variety with white flowers are native to Missouri, and generally,most of the talk/research, is in reference to this type of elderberry. In California, the native variety has large beautiful clusters of blue berries. Also, the flowers are pastel yellow. This wild variety sometimes grow into fairly large trees and I've seen them as tall as 30' if not more. But normally they will grow into a tree between 15 and ,20' feet. Most of them do tend to stay as a shrub though they seem to be larger than the eastern variety. I tried starting cuttings last year,but all of them eventually died, From what I read, it was probably due to poor drainage. I'm going to try again, also I'm going to try to plant some bareroot. There are thousands of these plants growing in the floodplain of a river,near one of my workplaces. Interestingly, this California variety usually goes thru a long dry Summer with no rainfall at all. Also, the PH is fairly neutral, so your right about some varieties having their own set of growing conditions. The reason the berries are blue out west is because they have a coating of yeast. I grew up surrounded by these beautiful plants and one year I gathered a 5 gallon bucket full of berries, far more than I needed. I forgot and left the bucket half full, a few days later, it had turned to wine. I had a small glass full, it was pretty damn good!
I appreciate this video…but living here in the extreme heat of Savannah Georgia I’ve learned that the elderberry I’ve seen were growing HAPPILY were in low lying areas as well as under shelters of larger trees…not necessarily directly, and in afternoon shelter here ….I’ve planted ours in an open area …in their own bed as well as afternoon sun ….they seem to be growing in leaps and bounds being only the second year with actually having berries the first growing season that the birds happily ate much to my dismay…this year seeing quite a bit of extended growth around the trees… all were started from cuttings and literally all took to my delight …nice to see your plants are well established …with the hopes that we will get a better harvest than the first year …many thanks for sharing this information…every area needs to be well thought out.
Hey neighbor. I live just west of you in Effingham. There's tons of wild elderberry blooming ALL up and down the roads now.
Thank you for sharing.
This is a great video! I wish the man who was on Doug and Stacy's show had talked about all this before I ordered my cuttings.
Yeah, I ordered from him 6 sticks and none made it. The one that I cut from the side if the road, came back this year.
Oh my, I wish I'd had this info before I purchased/planted cuttings. They aren't as easy as other growers say they are. I'd love to get a couple of grown, well established, potted plants.
Great info!!!! Thanks for sharing!!
Forgot to mention, that the jelly that I make is fabulous!
Excellent advice- thank you!
I have a couple of elderberry trees I bought in small pots. They have been transferred to a larger pot and are flowering. I took a photo of what I expected to be a bee on the flowers but it’s a fly as you mentioned.
I just put my first two elderberry plants in the ground. A gift to me from a friend that works for my husband that has a small elderberry farm. Im super excited to see how they produce next year. They are about half the fullness of the plant example you shared in this video.
Hi! I’m your neighbor to the East, NWA. Your videos on Elderberries are top notch! You’re the only ppl I found who would explain pruning as well as you did. I see you haven’t posted any videos in a year, I hope you come back soon. You’re a very good teacher Brent!
Thank you so much, @Eyes2C! We're glad the videos help. Stop by if you're traveling our stretch of I-40. We'd love to meet you!
Thankyou I have a bonsai one and this was very helpful😊
Beautiful plant.
Very informative.
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Thank you for sharing that, it was a lot of great information.
Glad it was helpful!
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I just watched this. Very hood information. What is the name of the business and do you still sell?
I would like to plant the sticks with the buds pointing up. That is all I know about planting. Should they be set in a pot of water? to produce roots. I have the time and space to grow from 'scratch'. Have a wild bush that I pick off while they ripen, small rewards ten pounds, just interested in baking so far. I need some help, hope to hear from you.
Mary
Hi Mary, We propagate on a very large scale in a dedicated system, close to 2,000 at a time. For doing it on a small scale you could probably get more information by checking out "Elderberry World" on Facebook
Thank you for this great information. I have 3 Ranch Elderberry stick to plant. I have 2 dwarf Blueberry in the ground due to bloom this year. Can I plant these two berries together, or must they be very apart from the other? Thank you in advance for your answer.
Yes you can since both types of berries require very similar soil pH and conditions. With the elderberries leave at least 4 feet between each plant.
This is very helpful. I just bought one that is 8 ft tall with 4 limbs growing straight up. Several little ones growing at the base. It's still in the original 2 gallon pot. I can't plant it for another 3 months. I will move it to a 7 gallon pot. Any advice?
I never let elderberries get that tall in a pot. Since it has new canes coming out at the base, I'd prune the tall canes back when re-potting so to avoid transplant shock. Then get that plant in the ground as soon as possible!
I am trying to grow some Elderberry. Where in Oklahoma are you located?
Webbers Falls, southern Muskogee County. Just Google 360 Farms for our website and info. We're open Tues- Sat 10 to 6
my plant has been chewed down twice.
what animals might do that?
Could be deer, cattle, goats, donkeys - any number of critters, just depends on what has access to them. But deer are the worst.
Hi Brent- I'm in Indiana and have been researching wild elderberries (about 300 plants) in my area. Most have a Brix level between 9-12. But I did find one that has a Brix of 18. I'm curious how that compares with the varieties that you have for jams and jelly making? Also, I have a couple that produce 16" cymes without pruning. I assume they would be larger if pruned. They do not have good fruit set but are great for flowers. Would you like any cuttings?
We also discovered a wide range of Brix values in elderberry. A Brix of 18 is what you want for jelly making and compares well with our sweeter berries. What you'll find is that soil chemistry plays an important role in establishing Brix value. You'll also find that higher Brix varieties tend to have much lower anthocyanin levels (antioxidant) , and vice-versa. I appreciate the offer of cuttings from your wild plants, but we specialize in varieties known to flourish in our area. We've found many varieties of elderberry to be site specific, something that's being studied in the next research by the University of MO.
@@360farms9 Thanks for the reply Brent. I did send some cuttings to the University of MO. I found a compact bush that produced 26 lbs 11 oz with evenly ripened fruit on cymes that held the berries well. The cymes are also decumbant when fully ripe which makes for easy harvesting decisions. The bush clearly outperformed Wildwood and Bob Gordon planted in the same area. We have high ph, heavy clay soils so a lot of named varieties don't do well here. Do you know any way to measure anthocyanin levels? I've heard hazy Brix readings mean high levels of minerals but do not know how to measure polyphenols or anthocyanins. I'm a huge believer in Korean Natural Farming(KNF) which reintroduces fungi and bacteria cultured from local woodland soils. I've used on cuttings that have leafed out almost 2 weeks earlier and hold leaves a month+ longer than the parent plant. KNF quickly builds carbon in soils and moderates ph. Supposedly, higher fungi levels directly impact Brix levels as more of the sugars are retained and not devoted to root exudates. I believe it also produces better tasting fruit, probably as you said in the video, by lowering soil ph.
You'll need a really good lab to do that service for you. Our Dept of Agri. has done some work for us in the past. We're a big believer in using mycorrhizae, it's nature at work.
Keith, which part of indiana? I am in allen co. I am planning to start many paw paws from seed and to start growing elder from cuttings this year. I only know a few wild or feral sources to use so I'd be interested in any help I could get.
Hello will pine needles work the same as pine bark
yes, but a lot slower
how do you kill eriophyid mites....they are attacking my dad's plants (May) and there are blooms on the plant.
Neem oil works. Apply foliar spray over a couple of weeks
It would be nice to hear it. The camera is across the room and the man is speaking in a toned down manner. I'm very interested in this but not willing to plant the phone in my ear to hear it.😫😫
Maybe captions would help you. I can hear him just fine. 😊
It would have been better if this gentleman was outside actually showing how to get cuttings, cutting them, and physically planting them. Too much talking, not enough show...that's why I gave a thumbs down.
Susan, did you go to his other videos? He has several older ones where he is out there with the plants showing you. What he discussed in this one addressed issues I needed help with. Also, he may have been inside because the weather in Oklahoma has been off the charts crazy and since it's almost fertilizing time I think he thought it was important to get us this information now. Texas Deb
I would like it to get Elderbarry but I live near Calgary and I dont know if it will grow here or where to get some....pls help me.
Yes they will grow in Canada, but shipping stock from a supplier in the US to you is a nightmare! There are suppliers in Canada , you'll just need to search them out. Just remember there are numerous species of elderberries out there. We only work with Sambucus canadensis- American Black Elder. Good luck
Eva contact Coen farm in Alberta. He grows lots of berries as well as pork and beef. I don't know where he is located compared to Calgary. Also Verge permaculture previously was in Calgary so Rob could be another source.
So if I already planted it now in late February will it die because I planted it earlier February ❓❓❓
Elderberries are extremely cold hardy. It will probably be fine as long as it's well mulched. A lot depends on your location.