3D Printing Design Tip To Avoid Supports - Sacrificial Layers and Bridges

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  • @MakersMuse
    @MakersMuse 5 років тому +151

    Such a handy trick! Sacrificial bridges are like the secret sauce of designing for 3D Printing... once you know about them it really unlocks a tonne of design potential.

    • @3DMakerNoob
      @3DMakerNoob  5 років тому +7

      Yep, I’ve been experimenting endlessly with them now haha

    • @santiagoblandon3022
      @santiagoblandon3022 5 років тому +1

      Same as compliant holes! thank you! =D

    • @jameslaine2472
      @jameslaine2472 5 років тому +2

      Thank you for using Metric ;-)
      www.google.com/search?q=ton+vs+tonne

    • @kasonkyrie1914
      @kasonkyrie1914 3 роки тому

      I know I am quite off topic but does anybody know of a good place to stream new movies online?

  • @beaconofwierd1883
    @beaconofwierd1883 3 роки тому +45

    This should really come as a feature in the slicer itself. Feels like a pretty simple thing to check for while slicing, it’s basically just extending straight lines or checking for where a plane intersects. If done in the slicer the thickness of the sacrificial layer could also be reduced by reducing the flow rate while it’s ”bridging”, making it easy to remove even if you print very thick layers.

  • @JMTosses
    @JMTosses 5 років тому +64

    Could easily be implemented in a slicer. Yes, supports are evil. Cheers!

  • @IceCreams62
    @IceCreams62 5 років тому +48

    You can use also sacrificial thin cross walls to support bridging parts to improve the finish quality :-)

    • @KieranShort
      @KieranShort 5 років тому

      ?? What are they?

    • @IceCreams62
      @IceCreams62 5 років тому +4

      @@KieranShort thin vertical walls that support the sacrificial layer in more points

    • @nipunagunarathne4882
      @nipunagunarathne4882 5 років тому +8

      ummm so basically regular supports?

    • @IceCreams62
      @IceCreams62 5 років тому +6

      @@nipunagunarathne4882 no, more more less material is needed for the thin walls

    • @tysonl79
      @tysonl79 5 років тому +2

      I do this in some of my prints. It helps when you have a part that you can't bridge normally. Think of the overhang part being the corner of a cube. Nowhere for the bridge to go. Uses way less filament than normal supports as well.

  • @LaggyKikee
    @LaggyKikee 4 роки тому +4

    I normally use 45 degree chamfers everywhere, but this is so much better. Thanks, will totally be using this technique.

  • @DenisKozlov_Blindfold
    @DenisKozlov_Blindfold 5 років тому +6

    You don't need CAD file for this if you use PrusaSlicer. It allows you to add primitives (cylinder, box ...). Make it 1 layer high and place it where the supporting bridge should be. Although I have to admit that doing this in CAD is much easier. But in vast majority of cases you just don't have access to the source file (yes, I'm looking at you, Thingiverse)

  • @proplinerfan
    @proplinerfan 2 роки тому +1

    I know, it's been a while since you published this. Just stumbled over it. It took me a while to fully understand the ingenuity of this. I tried it with a similar part I just designed in F360 and this not only saved filament but also time. And the results are great. Amazing!

  • @ericzwirnmann8151
    @ericzwirnmann8151 5 років тому +7

    Great idea for harder materials such as TPE, PetG and Tglass as those materials are difficult to remove supports.

  • @shenqiangshou
    @shenqiangshou 5 років тому +14

    Yeah I think I first saw the idea from Angus (Makers Muse), but you make a good point about it is actually faster to use sacrificial layers, since you aren't doing additional perimeters.

  • @ColinWatters
    @ColinWatters 3 роки тому +1

    Great tip. In the past I've resorted to splitting some items in two in CAD, printing, and glueing back together.

    • @CafeBikeGirl
      @CafeBikeGirl 3 роки тому

      I still like this option in a lot of cases since the glue has the potential to add some strength and for structural components it can be advantageous to print portions in different orientation to avoid bond strength issues.

  • @unexpectedsounds2320
    @unexpectedsounds2320 3 роки тому +3

    There is a easily missable standard Setting in prusaslicer that makes Supports EXTREMELY easy to remove. Just change the Z Distance from 0.1 to 0.2 in the Supports tab

  • @TsarBeardless
    @TsarBeardless 5 років тому +5

    Expected it to be a tip I already knew, got pleasantly surprised!

  • @satchelsieniewicz5824
    @satchelsieniewicz5824 3 роки тому +4

    this def should be done with one sketch and a revolve

  • @Sembazuru
    @Sembazuru 4 роки тому +1

    I picked this tip up from Angus (Maker's Muse), and often use this on parts that I downloaded. Usually I only have the STL and I'm not experienced in modifying meshes like this, so I add these 1-layer covers to the holes in PrusaSlicer. Doing it in the slicer (even for my own designs) also allows me to choose at the slicing stage what layer height I want to use and then add the hole covers at the correct thickness then. Especially useful now that I'm using adaptive layer heights, I can find out the right thickness after I've applied the adaptive layer height tool. For counter bored holes smaller than I can fit my deburring tool into (like for M2 hardware) an appropriately sized drill bit makes easy work of cleaning the finished holes. (For example, 2mm drill bit for for an M2 hole.)

  • @ozcanison
    @ozcanison 5 років тому +5

    Not sure if it was your accent or not, but it sounded like you called that tool a "burrowing tool". Its actually a de-burring tool, for removing burs. But works a treat on 3d printed parts, also good for trimming any elephants foot effect on bases of parts.

    • @stephentrenta3514
      @stephentrenta3514 5 років тому +1

      ozcanison LOL I literally just came to the comments to say the same thing. Glad I wasn’t the only one

    • @ozcanison
      @ozcanison 5 років тому

      @@stephentrenta3514 yeah it could just be his accent saying a long rrrr sound, but not sure.

  • @me3dnone107
    @me3dnone107 5 років тому +2

    I occasionally modeled supports in my designs, but I never had the Idea to make use of bridging. Thx!

  • @hakont.4960
    @hakont.4960 5 років тому

    Cool little trick, I already know at least two projects I'm working on where I wish I knew about this before. Both parts require supports to print, but at the same time they're very difficult to print with supports, this will simplify things a lot.

  • @wout_vanhims
    @wout_vanhims 5 років тому +4

    This is indeed very smart and simple. Great tip!

  • @pepperlx9277
    @pepperlx9277 3 роки тому

    This video should rename to "How to be a good design engineer and how to love maintenance folks". Joke aside, learnt something new today and definitely will try this out in my design!

  • @damny0utoobe
    @damny0utoobe 2 роки тому

    Such a neat trick to avoid support

  • @profounddevices
    @profounddevices 5 років тому +2

    this is always helpful, and it keeps on being a good tip. i first watched tips about sacrificial layers for bridging from makers muse videos, it is so handy and it should have more people doing videos about it. it was great showing the perspective of making several parts. also bringing things up in the reference of making several parts, clean up and time becomes prohibitive. good video. thx!

  • @MaximilianonMars
    @MaximilianonMars 5 років тому +1

    Gosh I learn something new with each of your videos! I had seen this technique from Angus but it didn't sink in how useful it was or easy to implement, yes will be trying it out next opportunity.

  • @markdaniel8740
    @markdaniel8740 3 роки тому +1

    I sometimes place the support a small distance from the part. You can see it when zoomed in on the slicer or CAD, but it does the job and is easily removable. If it is too far to bridge or outside the object, I might create a shelf. 2mm lower than what needs to be supported. That shelf is supported by small structure branched from a point on the main part. If your example had to be printed upside down, I would make a partial Cone sloping 45° and 0.2mm larger radius than the part.

    • @alklein4660
      @alklein4660 3 роки тому

      I usually add a support of some sort up to about 0.1mm (or 1 layer height) from the overhang. It works, takes very little filament and falls off when I lift the print off the bed. No "removing" needed.

  • @spikekent
    @spikekent 5 років тому

    Great tutorial Joe. I've been using sacrificial supports for some time with 100% success .... so far.

  • @gizmobowen
    @gizmobowen 5 років тому +8

    Interest solution, thanks for explaining it.
    BTW, when your head lines up just perfectly with the pillow on your chair it looks like you have little horns sticking out each side. It was kind of cracking me up.

    • @3DMakerNoob
      @3DMakerNoob  5 років тому

      that's my devilish side popping out ;)

  • @woowooNeedsFaith
    @woowooNeedsFaith 3 роки тому

    This is genius. Thank you for sharing. I simply don't want to use supports so it limits/complicates my designs. With this trick I have more options. I have to try this at some point.

  • @mushious
    @mushious 5 років тому +3

    This channel is a goldmine. Thank you!

  • @yahnnobber5096
    @yahnnobber5096 5 років тому +1

    Good info, since I was having this exact issue with some PETG that I like and didn't want to use supports for the design. Thanks for the great tip!

  • @lordfly88
    @lordfly88 3 роки тому +1

    Wow, how have I not thought of this before!? Thank you!

  • @Zahrok
    @Zahrok 3 роки тому

    Thanks for this trick. Is a must for less waste. Continue the good work.

  • @WernerBeroux
    @WernerBeroux 3 роки тому +1

    This just shows how much Slicer can be improved in the future (i.e. slicers could support this automatically).

  • @thomashogeterp1411
    @thomashogeterp1411 3 роки тому

    i use this all the time. love it

  • @dunichtich100
    @dunichtich100 5 років тому

    Nice video! I did this in my designs for years not only on horizontal layers, but also on vertical shells, works great as well 😉

  • @Ridingrules10000
    @Ridingrules10000 3 роки тому

    This blows my mind.

  • @johnvodopija
    @johnvodopija 2 роки тому

    Thank you for the great tip. I will definitely be trying this out. Cheers 👍😎🇦🇺

  • @Temuba
    @Temuba 5 років тому

    Excellent. I while back I did the same while printing parts for a Bontech extruder. Worked great as you stated. Thanks

  • @interestedinstuff1499
    @interestedinstuff1499 3 роки тому

    Excellent. I didn't know that thin a layer would be enough support.

  • @marcosdiez7263
    @marcosdiez7263 5 років тому

    Nice tip. Notice that, in the first piece, since you're already adding a support part in the design (the sacrificial layer), you could also make an inner ring to sacrifice as well, whose outer wall would be exactly the diameter of the piece innermost ring or just barely shorter (enough to let the cutter blade slip in between later on and as tall as the sacrificial layer, so you'd be still bridging to make the "balcony" bottom layer, but the bridging distance would shorten so it'd be more firm, and you may even increase the piece size.

  • @ethansdad3d
    @ethansdad3d 3 роки тому

    Great tip. I often forget about this.

  • @r4dius
    @r4dius 3 роки тому

    Never thought about this ... thanks

  • @peregrinespurway
    @peregrinespurway 3 роки тому

    Excellent idea. Thanks for sharing

  • @ErtsenPlayGames
    @ErtsenPlayGames 5 років тому

    Its not only about support
    Its about support time and your work.
    You can save material, print time and your time :)

  • @brithawkes36
    @brithawkes36 5 років тому +1

    Great video very interesting. also great to see the mural up and running in a video 👍

  • @dinosoarskill17
    @dinosoarskill17 5 років тому

    Thanks for the advice. The community is good!

  • @3DZeBlate
    @3DZeBlate 5 років тому

    Thanks for this video. A very good solution to avoid plastic lost.

  • @OldCurmudgeon3DP
    @OldCurmudgeon3DP 5 років тому +4

    I've seen clips on Facebook of near bed-width bridging on the Ender 3.

  • @jasonking4899
    @jasonking4899 2 роки тому

    so simple and yet brilliant . thanks .

  • @desmo750f1
    @desmo750f1 5 років тому

    Thanks for the tip. Tried it and it worked a treat for what I was doing.

  • @TheSupertecnology
    @TheSupertecnology 11 місяців тому

    Seen a few videos about sacrificial layers and honestly, I don't understand why such a feature isn't mainstream in just about every slicer. Sure, adding a simple shape in Cura, such as a cylinder, and making it one layer thick would work. But man, it's 2023 and automation is a thing.

  • @channelvr1293
    @channelvr1293 3 роки тому

    nice .... and actually the size of the bridge doesnt matter ....because you could print pillars inside and they would just be removed with the sacrificial layer ... good idea ;-)

  • @real_armadillo
    @real_armadillo 3 роки тому

    Cool trick! I'll definitely try this out.

  • @jimgreene3863
    @jimgreene3863 3 роки тому

    Pretty great idea If you needed to do a large area you could still use a support wall also a minimum thickness at the mid point of the widest point of the sacrifice layer its faster and cheaper to do your way of this thank you now I have a new tool in my box

  • @Sven_Hein
    @Sven_Hein 5 років тому +5

    I always try to model in support on the model like Angus from Maker's Muse.

  • @PathosBedlam
    @PathosBedlam 3 роки тому

    Great Tip. Thanks Bud.

  • @sailtogether3236
    @sailtogether3236 3 роки тому

    Cool! Very interesting trick. Thank you!

  • @tonysfun
    @tonysfun 4 роки тому

    Very practical and easy idea! Thanks for sharing.

  • @cache4pat
    @cache4pat 5 років тому +1

    Awesome Tip ..... thx. I have had a problem with a current knob design that this will help.

  • @jimmyjohansson84
    @jimmyjohansson84 5 років тому

    Awesome video! I do use sacrifical layers but mostly for small screw holes, hadn't thought about using it for other things!
    Also, the mural looks so awesome!

  • @iskandartaib
    @iskandartaib 2 роки тому

    If the hole in the donut is too big for bridging, maybe you could support the sacrificial layer with an added cylinder that only touches the sacrificial layer. It could actually be quite a bit smaller than the hole, and it could also be a donut rather than a cylinder. Actually, come to think of it.. no need to print the middle of the sacrificial layer either.
    As of late I've been experimenting with tree supports - the do seem to work quite well, and separate more cleanly.

  • @MrTrollHunter
    @MrTrollHunter 3 роки тому

    neat trick, will be very helpfull for many prints

  • @KiR_3d
    @KiR_3d 5 років тому

    Great trick! 1st I've seen this from Angus. But this explanation and the reminder are pretty good! Thanx.

  • @chrisnelson1935
    @chrisnelson1935 Рік тому

    0.2 works only if you are exactly on the layer and have 0.2 layers. I do this in prusa slicer so I can swap to the layer view and make sure it's in the right spot

  • @RoadRashSpirit
    @RoadRashSpirit 3 роки тому

    Amazing, with id known aboutthis before my last print. 18x 19mm bearing inserts to clean out......

  • @jeffvader811
    @jeffvader811 4 роки тому

    This is a very neat trick, will definitely be doing this in future.

  • @mechsparks
    @mechsparks 4 роки тому

    NIce video. It heled me lot and also reduce the amount of support needed in my current project.

  • @asmith8673
    @asmith8673 4 роки тому

    For the screw inserts, you could also use a champher and not need supports or a sacrificial layer, depending on the screw head.

  • @JAYTEEAU
    @JAYTEEAU 5 років тому +5

    Great stuff Joe, mentally stored for later use. Cheers, JAYTEE

  • @ResistCircuitResist
    @ResistCircuitResist 3 роки тому

    Had to look up what a borrowing tool was, thanks for the link.

  • @JohnOCFII
    @JohnOCFII 5 років тому

    Nice tip. Well explained. Thanks. Sometimes supports are, in fact evil, and other times they come off easily, and hardly leave a mark. It is hard to know what settings to tweak with supports to improve them. More testing needed, I guess! :)

  • @tankuman
    @tankuman Рік тому

    There is a much easier and econimical way of doing this nowadays using Cura 5 with pre-model. Just create a 1mm tube component under the overhang just inboard of your inside wall radius edge to the base. Export it as a mesh. Go into Cura and import your project stl and then import the 1mm tube stl, goto Cura pre model and make your 1mm tube a "Support Mesh"... Now it will support the bridge, it will snap off without any other cleaning and you will only use a tiny bit of material. I use this method when I create threads also. I create my thread and insert a tube the length of the thread half way between the root and crest of the thread, convert the tube as a support mesh and then when you are done the support strips out in one long ribbon with no extra cleaning.

  • @leroycasterline1122
    @leroycasterline1122 4 роки тому

    What a great idea! Thanks for sharing!

  • @WhamBamSystems
    @WhamBamSystems 3 роки тому

    Super trick and advice!

  • @3DPSpro
    @3DPSpro 3 роки тому

    Sweet trick, dude! I was thinking also that you could have discs and squares on the ready to bring into your slicer to throw in such places as they present themselves with models you didn't design for a quick solution. Cheers!

  • @Arek_R.
    @Arek_R. 4 роки тому +2

    Instead of extruding and then extruded cut you should do extrude at offset.

    • @ginobrugman
      @ginobrugman 4 роки тому

      A revolve would only take 1 sketch and 1 Revolve operation.

  • @rickdrop5971
    @rickdrop5971 5 років тому

    Your earned the trifecta... sub, alert, comment...... You are a print ninja.... keep them coming

  • @gadgetmind
    @gadgetmind 2 роки тому

    I do this, but in this case I'd have added a sacrificial cylinder the same size as the inner diameter. The bridging is then shorter and only the cylinder needs to be removed.

  • @cairerocha1004
    @cairerocha1004 3 роки тому

    O Kakaroto é um gênio.

  • @shaunmorrissey7313
    @shaunmorrissey7313 5 років тому

    Very neat, I love learning new things.

  • @scififan698
    @scififan698 3 роки тому +1

    Good thinking! This should be somehow included in slicers..

  • @jamessturgeon7025
    @jamessturgeon7025 5 років тому

    Very helpful and useful tip for designs and printing. Thanks!

  • @varazir
    @varazir 5 років тому

    Support in cura, enable the support interface and roof settings. It creates a brim ontop of the support making it easier to remove.

    • @3DMakerNoob
      @3DMakerNoob  5 років тому

      All slicers have that feature

    • @varazir
      @varazir 5 років тому

      @@3DMakerNoob just using Cura, don't think many ppl use it as it's a gold when it comes to removing support

  • @lucascampa8739
    @lucascampa8739 5 років тому

    This is an ancient technique, but is always welcome the reminder

  • @buzzlindgren8601
    @buzzlindgren8601 5 років тому +34

    Me: Jesus, is that you?
    Sacrificial Layer: Yes son, I died for your prints
    I made a tush-remix which just wouldn't adhere to the bed due to the many holes. Added a sacrificial layer on the bottom and boom! it worked. Thanks a lot for the tipps m8

  • @cristiandarvich2713
    @cristiandarvich2713 3 роки тому

    awesome!! i'll try it!

  • @JT-ei7jf
    @JT-ei7jf 5 років тому

    Great! Many thanks for the idea. I gonna try it with my next print

  • @chrisnurse6430
    @chrisnurse6430 3 роки тому

    Great tip thanks

  • @xlucioflavio
    @xlucioflavio Рік тому

    Thank you, great idea

  • @opulius
    @opulius 3 роки тому

    thank you so much! so easy and so effective.

  • @haenselundgretel654
    @haenselundgretel654 3 роки тому

    Damn! I thought I had seen everything. But this is great! Cheers, mate!

  • @cho4d
    @cho4d 3 роки тому

    this is actually big brain stuff. very cool!!

  • @michaelbujaki2462
    @michaelbujaki2462 3 роки тому +1

    I generally add the supports in the design so that I use less material in the support, but this gives me another option to use.

  • @darren990
    @darren990 5 років тому

    back on form joe ..fantastic video well be trying that

  • @mattkedz6577
    @mattkedz6577 4 роки тому +1

    Can you please do a video on bridging? How to set up a printer/software to do it. I have a Prusa3 and can't get it to print good at all, let alone use bridging. Thanks!

  • @ayganotomasyon1109
    @ayganotomasyon1109 2 місяці тому

    Will try

  • @is-ig4zh
    @is-ig4zh 2 роки тому

    Omg, dude! thank alot!

  • @chuysaucedo7119
    @chuysaucedo7119 Рік тому

    Cool trick!

  • @neopada9091
    @neopada9091 5 років тому +1

    I just avoid sharp angles unless the design require it.
    Just make the sides slope a bit and no waste.
    : )

  • @SergeDzus
    @SergeDzus 3 роки тому

    Хорошая идея! спасибо

  • @Mad_Monkey
    @Mad_Monkey 5 років тому

    Amazing information Joe!

  • @middleclasspoor
    @middleclasspoor 5 років тому

    This is something I could have used several times in the past if I had only known. I absolutely agree, supports are evil!! Thanks Joe!