It kinda is just that. Scaled up versions of obstacles on playgrounds. Monkey bars, climbing walls, etc. all that's missing is a big slide you can go down with full gear on and painting it all bright colors and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference 😂
Look, I went through the USAF version of Basic Training in 1970 and honestly, the Obstacle Course was exactly scaled-up playground equipment. Well, except the low crawl under barbed wire with live machine guns firing over our heads... oh, and the monkey bars were the last obstacle with four feet of water under them.
I think people really do have to come to terms with the 1st is probably one of the best possible endings for humanity. If sapient life is rare even without the great filters. There's a the distinct possibility through some quirk or happenstance we could just go on forever into space no matter how far we reach and still never find anyone else. If our universe is lifeless then it would be our responsibility to fix it.
*Zachary Hawley* There is at least one other. We wear their form after all. The ones who "uplifted" us to be their slaves. The ones who did this to us. Can't climb worth spit for supposed apes, can't move among the branches. Our shoulders are wrong for that. Our bones are light and brittle compared to our cousins. Stubborn idiots call it evolution, as if evolution disadvantages life. We were created to look like them,we were made unnatural in our own world.
There is also the posibility that we sinply haven't been able to observe them. Radio signals travel at the speed of light, and we have only had radios strong enough to reach other stars for a few decades. The stars and planets that we observe are also images of the past, some times millions or even billions of years. So even if a planet has developed life by now, we wouldn't know for several millennia.
@@MalefAzelb yeah, I liked it to us surveying a solar system with a ship with relatively modern day equipment, and one of those worlds having a civilization but only at pre-industrial levels (pre-1850 or earlier). Unless we visually closely inspected the world, we wouldn't detect anything in the way of a useful signal. I think it's ridiculous to think that radio signals are the best means of long distance signals, when it's a technology we've only been using for 124 years. Its like sitting in a model t and saying "nope, ain't nothing going faster than this thing right here."
That humans have no natural advantages is actually wrong. We have bodies perfectly adapted to throwing rocks. No other animal can come even close to our precision, range and velocity. A fist sized rock to the skull can win any fight.
@@bdj_tvk Not quite true actually. Animals like Wolves have equal stamina. What many people do not understand about Persistence Hunting is the animals do not drop from physical exhaustion but HEAT exhaustion. As a hunting tactic it only works in hot and preferably dry(ish) environments. It does NOT work in cold environments. This simple misunderstanding is generally not understood by the vast majority of people who know of Persistence hunting, including the vast majority of HFY Authors and Fans..... There is a REASON humans stopped using Persistence hunting, especially as they began to radiate out of Africa.
First Story: Somehow I doubt humanity would wait thousands of years before STARTING to experiment with singularities and reality bending FTL because travel times were too long. After all, we're already R&Ding FTL IN REAL LIFE even if all our models so far have been theoretical.
Well I think the story mentioned that we'd tried without success until circumstances put a new urgency on it and we had the tech to play with singularities and neutron matter. Some of the best theories on FTL require a level of technology We're not likely to reach for a few centuries, perhaps millennia. While I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if we got it in the next few decades, I suspect that it'll be at least a couple of centuries.
They are not Theoretical. People really need to learn that in the Scientific world the word Theory is a completely different beast to what it is in normal day to day language. In Science a Theory is *proven* via the Scientific method, is is not 'just an idea'. The word you are looking for is Hypothetical, not Theoretical. The math checks out from what I understand (I am a Marine Ecologist/Evolutionary Ecologist by trade, so most of that math is well beyond me), but that is all. The math tells us it is *potentially possible*, but that is literally all we know. Until that math has been properly tested through experiment and data collection it will never be Theory, but only Hypothesis.
Technically humanity is already fiddling with singulatities, I've heard that at cern (?) they are using particle accelerators to try making black holes, sure, they say that if they succeed it would "only" exist for very little time before disappearing but that was already a decade ago
Ok, i know, the stories, the narration, all that jazz, but. Every time the MIGHTY SUCC THE DEVOURER OF WORLDS comes by to try and consume the camera - i just stop listening for a bit. Cant help it, that thing is adorable.
Some older stories that Agro has read for us had a xeno giving a lecture on the utterly insane shit we do for fun. Said insane shit included cliff-diving, skydiving, marathon running, ice hockey, rugby, fire dancing, and so on. And the real shock was when this professor smiling and saying "this is what the humans do for recreation... we should tread carefully with them for we do not want to see what they can do when they decide to get serious". And this was tempered with the knowledge that humans didn't understand how terrifying we are to the xenos and we are genuinely friendly until sufficiently provoked or threatened.
@@keona5560 I also forgot, other activities they show us doing for fun includes bronco busting, bull riding, figure skating, and so on. Not only are we insane, but we are incredibly physically adept... or can get there after a few months of dedicated training.
I've long considered children to be little energy vampires. Namely they suck the energy from nearby adults and spend it by running around and screaming. This both explains the parent's exhaustion and the children's seemingly endless energy.
The parent's exhaustion explanation is obvious (too much work), but children being walking hurricanes is explained among other things by their size. Smaller bodies are more efficient using energy and therefore are more active. Typical example is little dogs vs big dogs. Once we start growing up, we "calm down" (for the most part). Also, while humans are generally seen as weak compared with other animals, the truth is that we are placed towards the "large" end of the body size spectrum. And while not record breaking by nature standards, our strength is still nothing to scoff at. That's one of the reasons why we didn't have too many natural enemies, we're too big and scary for most animals.
enjoyed both stories 1st is hopefully what we would do if alone and didn't give up 2nd is part of our glorious plan to conquer/dominate....start with the children
Day five of subscription, and the occupation of my room by the nanite swarm. I think I am starting to warm up to the swarm a little. I am not sure if they actually like me or just like the socks. Wither way, it is kind of adorable. Now that They've moved under my bed it's pretty convenient to feed them too. Maybe I'll have to find a way to take them on a walk.
So many people forget to take a deep breathe before cracking and clearing their gas mask in the chamber. I bet a nervous xeno would forget, then the legend of human endurance (or cruelty) would continue to grow.
Shark attacks are damned rare. I have dived with some of the most 'dangerous' sharks on the planet, including Great Whites without being attacked once. The only shark species I am really nervous about are Zambesi/Bull Sharks (same species, just different common names). You are more likely to die from lightning strike than shark attack. Can't say its so true the other way round. Humans kill millions of sharks a year. Many of them killed by shark finners, probably the single cruellest method of fishing on the planet. They do not use the whole shark as only the fins are valuable to them, so the only take the fins. The sharks are usually still alive when the bastard pieces of shit dump them back in the water to slowly sink to crush depth. Yes, I fucking DESPISE Shark Finners.....
Which is even funnier, considering all he apparently has to do is take Mr Xeno by Basic and the shooting range to convince him they're Special Ops and not new recruits half way through their second week of Basic... We should show Oshox Star Wars and tell him that we still have Jedi, with their light sabers. "We're actually the descendants of a colony ship headed to Andromeda. The ship got too close to the sun and was yanked out of Hyperspace and we crashed here. Threw us back to the Stone Age... I think I've said too much."
In order not to need obvious 24/7 security having an alien exchange student live with a military family on base would be ideal. And you would definitely assume that even if they were not trained spies they were getting one hell of a debriefing one they got home
I have a good feeling that there are one or two married female Intelligence Officers with military husband's who could be assigned look after an alien kid.
Greetings, Mentlegent! For the Rhythm that is Algo Story 1: Humans are precursors. Not the first time this concept has been explored, but a well done version. Story 2: Yeah I was gonna say wait till they find out about the real thing.
The use of humans becoming benevolent immortal gods keeping the universe existing is honestly kinda reassuring I hope one day we reach that level of enlightenment but i doubt it
Great stories. I love your narrations. on a side note.,.. just an fyi... you might need to supplement your pleco with algae tablets to keep it healthy. You probably already knew that though. :D
Didn't see what species. However, their diets actually vary by species. Some eat wood, others a relatively I protein diet etc. For the species that are primarily herbivores, kale is a pretty good meal (a leaf with a weight on it to keep it submerged). Remember that in the normal environment, there isn't much algae, they scrape/eat thr biofilm
Story 2. That's no military training camp. It's a park and parkour installation. A family parkour camp. It's not a training facility. Funtropolis. It's an amusement park.
Story 2: I mean...we did evolve from apes. Climbing and navigating obstacles was part of our distant history. And while we're not nearly as good as a lot of other current ape species, we haven't lost all of that ability either.
And then you have combatitive sports...let's go hit each other (sometimes with potentially lethal weapons) for fun...if you don't wake up the next day with more than a few bruises, you were doing it wrong (or extremely right...)
Don't be absurd, we are not the first and we are not alone. Its just that the rest take one look at us, and give us a wide birth. We are the crazy ones of the neighbourhood. The equivalent to the "edgy" teenager with a switchblade in their pocket. No one wants our kind of trouble. so they avoid us, hoping we 'll grow out of it. Funny guy that xeno. He really thought that was a military facility? Nah dude, not enough paperwork. Militaries of all stripes are bureaucracies, you wanna use the head, you need to fill out several forms first. In triplicate. Everything is hurry up and wait. Paperwork, paperwork and more paperwork. That's what makes us so good at combat. Years of frustration at a blind, stupid, obstinate, bureaucratic system,finally get a chance to be vented. We take it out on our opponents, then we go back to doing more paperwork.
Humans have poured time and resources into developing paths that another race might consider frivolous or a dead end, and thereby stretched the capacity to instantly recognize and categorize situations that others might find novel, through practice. Would a culture that did not possess an Internet know memes? Next to a Human, any alien might be a noob.
@@matthewklestinski7030 And how do you know that? Hmm? Our data set includes precisely ONE species, which means our data set is worth precisely nothing. While I find the HFY genre kinda fun and enjoyable, as an Evolutionary Ecologist by trade, yes, it is literally what I do for a living, I find most of the premises behind the 'Humans are Deathworlders' shaky at best and laughable at worst. The consensus amongst my collegues and I who are aware of HFY sci fi as a genre is that so called Death Worlds are actually more likely to produce sapient life than so called Garden Worlds. Want to know why? Sapience is DAMNED expensive. Our brain takes up 2% of our bodies mass but required between 20 and 25% of our total daily calorie intake. Evolution tends to go down the route of least possible energy expenditure for the maximum possible gain. In other words, if Intelligence is not required, and on a Garden world where sustenance is easy to obtain and threats are few it would NOT be, then it will not evolve. On a 'Death World' however? That is an ENTIRELY different matter.....
Don't fear the adult humans, they can be bargained with. Fear the children. They are impulsive, fundamentally selfish, and they don't know their own strength.
look if were being honest here, blown up to adult size, playground equipment would still be great for training military
We use that shit actually. Modified a bit, but its there.
It kinda is just that. Scaled up versions of obstacles on playgrounds. Monkey bars, climbing walls, etc. all that's missing is a big slide you can go down with full gear on and painting it all bright colors and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference 😂
“PRIVATE, STOP CLIMBING UP THE SLIDE! YOUR SUPPOSED TO USE THE MONKEY BARS AND CLIMBING WALL TO REACH IT!”
most of it actually is. Monkey bars, rope bridges, balance beams, etc.
Look, I went through the USAF version of Basic Training in 1970 and honestly, the Obstacle Course was exactly scaled-up playground equipment. Well, except the low crawl under barbed wire with live machine guns firing over our heads... oh, and the monkey bars were the last obstacle with four feet of water under them.
The second story sounds like it could be a sequel to that one were the xenos think we are secretly training spec ops.
Which one is that?
I missed that one ... do you have a link?
You are in violation of UA-cam law #3 tell the link before you get the stink
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Looooool! I really want to see the next Chapter where alien actually sees Boot Camp
I think people really do have to come to terms with the 1st is probably one of the best possible endings for humanity. If sapient life is rare even without the great filters. There's a the distinct possibility through some quirk or happenstance we could just go on forever into space no matter how far we reach and still never find anyone else. If our universe is lifeless then it would be our responsibility to fix it.
*Zachary Hawley*
There is at least one other. We wear their form after all. The ones who "uplifted" us to be their slaves. The ones who did this to us.
Can't climb worth spit for supposed apes, can't move among the branches. Our shoulders are wrong for that. Our bones are light and brittle compared to our cousins.
Stubborn idiots call it evolution, as if evolution disadvantages life. We were created to look like them,we were made unnatural in our own world.
Chances are we are one of the first species, look up grabby aliens
There is also the posibility that we sinply haven't been able to observe them. Radio signals travel at the speed of light, and we have only had radios strong enough to reach other stars for a few decades. The stars and planets that we observe are also images of the past, some times millions or even billions of years. So even if a planet has developed life by now, we wouldn't know for several millennia.
@@MalefAzelb yeah, I liked it to us surveying a solar system with a ship with relatively modern day equipment, and one of those worlds having a civilization but only at pre-industrial levels (pre-1850 or earlier). Unless we visually closely inspected the world, we wouldn't detect anything in the way of a useful signal. I think it's ridiculous to think that radio signals are the best means of long distance signals, when it's a technology we've only been using for 124 years. Its like sitting in a model t and saying "nope, ain't nothing going faster than this thing right here."
Sapient life cannot be rare unless there is great filters. Its just a matter of if Earth and Humans already passed the filter or not
That humans have no natural advantages is actually wrong. We have bodies perfectly adapted to throwing rocks. No other animal can come even close to our precision, range and velocity. A fist sized rock to the skull can win any fight.
And the best day vision of any mammal.
Monkey throw rocks, monkey break
And the best stamina of any animal
@@bdj_tvk Not quite true actually. Animals like Wolves have equal stamina. What many people do not understand about Persistence Hunting is the animals do not drop from physical exhaustion but HEAT exhaustion. As a hunting tactic it only works in hot and preferably dry(ish) environments. It does NOT work in cold environments. This simple misunderstanding is generally not understood by the vast majority of people who know of Persistence hunting, including the vast majority of HFY Authors and Fans.....
There is a REASON humans stopped using Persistence hunting, especially as they began to radiate out of Africa.
You read the rock throwing story too?
First Story: Somehow I doubt humanity would wait thousands of years before STARTING to experiment with singularities and reality bending FTL because travel times were too long. After all, we're already R&Ding FTL IN REAL LIFE even if all our models so far have been theoretical.
Well I think the story mentioned that we'd tried without success until circumstances put a new urgency on it and we had the tech to play with singularities and neutron matter. Some of the best theories on FTL require a level of technology We're not likely to reach for a few centuries, perhaps millennia. While I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if we got it in the next few decades, I suspect that it'll be at least a couple of centuries.
Probably one of the first ones to SURVIVE experimenting with singularities...
They are not Theoretical. People really need to learn that in the Scientific world the word Theory is a completely different beast to what it is in normal day to day language. In Science a Theory is *proven* via the Scientific method, is is not 'just an idea'.
The word you are looking for is Hypothetical, not Theoretical. The math checks out from what I understand (I am a Marine Ecologist/Evolutionary Ecologist by trade, so most of that math is well beyond me), but that is all. The math tells us it is *potentially possible*, but that is literally all we know. Until that math has been properly tested through experiment and data collection it will never be Theory, but only Hypothesis.
@@alganhar1 well put, but NASA is currently working on the experiments and the few they have completed have shown the hypothesis to be valid.
Technically humanity is already fiddling with singulatities, I've heard that at cern (?) they are using particle accelerators to try making black holes, sure, they say that if they succeed it would "only" exist for very little time before disappearing but that was already a decade ago
Ok, i know, the stories, the narration, all that jazz, but. Every time the MIGHTY SUCC THE DEVOURER OF WORLDS comes by to try and consume the camera - i just stop listening for a bit. Cant help it, that thing is adorable.
lol
I love how at the start of the second story a fish just appears and glides along for a bit. Made me jump when I glanced over and saw SUDDEN FISH. lol
Just wait til Oshox meets a drill sarge
Some older stories that Agro has read for us had a xeno giving a lecture on the utterly insane shit we do for fun. Said insane shit included cliff-diving, skydiving, marathon running, ice hockey, rugby, fire dancing, and so on. And the real shock was when this professor smiling and saying "this is what the humans do for recreation... we should tread carefully with them for we do not want to see what they can do when they decide to get serious". And this was tempered with the knowledge that humans didn't understand how terrifying we are to the xenos and we are genuinely friendly until sufficiently provoked or threatened.
@@RaderizDorret do you remember the name? I would love that!
@@keona5560 I also forgot, other activities they show us doing for fun includes bronco busting, bull riding, figure skating, and so on. Not only are we insane, but we are incredibly physically adept... or can get there after a few months of dedicated training.
I've long considered children to be little energy vampires. Namely they suck the energy from nearby adults and spend it by running around and screaming. This both explains the parent's exhaustion and the children's seemingly endless energy.
The parent's exhaustion explanation is obvious (too much work), but children being walking hurricanes is explained among other things by their size. Smaller bodies are more efficient using energy and therefore are more active. Typical example is little dogs vs big dogs.
Once we start growing up, we "calm down" (for the most part). Also, while humans are generally seen as weak compared with other animals, the truth is that we are placed towards the "large" end of the body size spectrum. And while not record breaking by nature standards, our strength is still nothing to scoff at.
That's one of the reasons why we didn't have too many natural enemies, we're too big and scary for most animals.
enjoyed both stories
1st is hopefully what we would do if alone and didn't give up
2nd is part of our glorious plan to conquer/dominate....start with the children
when the universe blueball you from finding other life out there >_
Day five of subscription, and the occupation of my room by the nanite swarm.
I think I am starting to warm up to the swarm a little. I am not sure if they actually like me or just like the socks. Wither way, it is kind of adorable. Now that They've moved under my bed it's pretty convenient to feed them too. Maybe I'll have to find a way to take them on a walk.
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7:35 pleco jumpscare
They want their money kiss, where is their money?
Oshox should count himself lucky he's a spy and not a babysitter.
Honestly an old martial arts teacher would have us run playground equipment like an obstacle course as adults.
I'm trying to imagine an alien going through a shark attack, or the gas chamber.
So many people forget to take a deep breathe before cracking and clearing their gas mask in the chamber. I bet a nervous xeno would forget, then the legend of human endurance (or cruelty) would continue to grow.
Shark attacks are damned rare. I have dived with some of the most 'dangerous' sharks on the planet, including Great Whites without being attacked once. The only shark species I am really nervous about are Zambesi/Bull Sharks (same species, just different common names). You are more likely to die from lightning strike than shark attack.
Can't say its so true the other way round. Humans kill millions of sharks a year. Many of them killed by shark finners, probably the single cruellest method of fishing on the planet. They do not use the whole shark as only the fins are valuable to them, so the only take the fins.
The sharks are usually still alive when the bastard pieces of shit dump them back in the water to slowly sink to crush depth.
Yes, I fucking DESPISE Shark Finners.....
@@alganhar1 So, a shark attack in the instance to which I am referring is being swarmed by drill sergeants
@@johnathanblackwell9960 some unfortunates in that would probly rather choose real sharks instead lol
I bet Nathan knew Oshox was a spy
Which is even funnier, considering all he apparently has to do is take Mr Xeno by Basic and the shooting range to convince him they're Special Ops and not new recruits half way through their second week of Basic... We should show Oshox Star Wars and tell him that we still have Jedi, with their light sabers. "We're actually the descendants of a colony ship headed to Andromeda. The ship got too close to the sun and was yanked out of Hyperspace and we crashed here. Threw us back to the Stone Age... I think I've said too much."
In order not to need obvious 24/7 security having an alien exchange student live with a military family on base would be ideal. And you would definitely assume that even if they were not trained spies they were getting one hell of a debriefing one they got home
@@taitano12 That 100% needs to be a story lmao
Loving the fish transition between stories
I have a good feeling that there are one or two married female Intelligence Officers with military husband's who could be assigned look after an alien kid.
Greetings, Mentlegent!
For the Rhythm that is Algo
Story 1: Humans are precursors. Not the first time this concept has been explored, but a well done version.
Story 2: Yeah I was gonna say wait till they find out about the real thing.
I love your albino pleca and the sheep abduction in progress by the ufo!
Loving your story reading and fish babies! Wishing and praying for the very best of health for you!
For the Algorithm the voice and the story
The use of humans becoming benevolent immortal gods keeping the universe existing is honestly kinda reassuring I hope one day we reach that level of enlightenment but i doubt it
For the Algorithm, For the Author(s), For the Disembodied Voice!
this video sneaked into the Frist Contact playlist
sorted , thanks for pointing it out
7:30 Placo!
I want to go to a "Funtropolis"
As the second story starts, "training regiment, run from the giant Roomba!!" Lol it was entertaining thought
Great stories. I love your narrations.
on a side note.,.. just an fyi... you might need to supplement your pleco with algae tablets to keep it healthy. You probably already knew that though. :D
Didn't see what species. However, their diets actually vary by species. Some eat wood, others a relatively I protein diet etc. For the species that are primarily herbivores, kale is a pretty good meal (a leaf with a weight on it to keep it submerged). Remember that in the normal environment, there isn't much algae, they scrape/eat thr biofilm
First story was so cool!
Lesgoo we got the space fish, still waiting for the miniature painting tho.
The joys of having a caloric excess.
Thank you for the video.
The spy found what he was looking for.
Don't let them know about FPS.
Poor guy. He just saw the kidde version. To bad we'll never get to read his report.
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Shoutout to the suckerfish in front of the camera
Story 2. That's no military training camp. It's a park and parkour installation. A family parkour camp. It's not a training facility. Funtropolis. It's an amusement park.
Second story: I mean, we ARE primates. That kind of thing is embedded in our ancestry.
Story 2: I mean...we did evolve from apes. Climbing and navigating obstacles was part of our distant history. And while we're not nearly as good as a lot of other current ape species, we haven't lost all of that ability either.
For the Algorithm11!
I realized like a min into the second story it was a play place.
"Is this special forces training?"
"Nah, this is kindergarden"
Humans is the Craziest peoples ... LoL 🦾💪.... Let's go climb a shear rock face for fun.... LoL
And then you have combatitive sports...let's go hit each other (sometimes with potentially lethal weapons) for fun...if you don't wake up the next day with more than a few bruises, you were doing it wrong (or extremely right...)
Underbelly of the pleco lol
Don't be absurd, we are not the first and we are not alone. Its just that the rest take one look at us, and give us a wide birth. We are the crazy ones of the neighbourhood. The equivalent to the "edgy" teenager with a switchblade in their pocket.
No one wants our kind of trouble. so they avoid us, hoping we 'll grow out of it.
Funny guy that xeno. He really thought that was a military facility? Nah dude, not enough paperwork. Militaries of all stripes are bureaucracies, you wanna use the head, you need to fill out several forms first. In triplicate.
Everything is hurry up and wait. Paperwork, paperwork and more paperwork. That's what makes us so good at combat. Years of frustration at a blind, stupid, obstinate, bureaucratic system,finally get a chance to be vented. We take it out on our opponents, then we go back to doing more paperwork.
Look up grabby aliens
For the algorithm
So we seeded the universe, not just our galaxy, with life. Interesting.
Welcome to the playground... for KIDS!
That premise of story number two always amuses me. Why are aliens always sooooo very dumb?
Humans have poured time and resources into developing paths that another race might consider frivolous or a dead end, and thereby stretched the capacity to instantly recognize and categorize situations that others might find novel, through practice. Would a culture that did not possess an Internet know memes? Next to a Human, any alien might be a noob.
@@matthewklestinski7030 And how do you know that? Hmm? Our data set includes precisely ONE species, which means our data set is worth precisely nothing.
While I find the HFY genre kinda fun and enjoyable, as an Evolutionary Ecologist by trade, yes, it is literally what I do for a living, I find most of the premises behind the 'Humans are Deathworlders' shaky at best and laughable at worst.
The consensus amongst my collegues and I who are aware of HFY sci fi as a genre is that so called Death Worlds are actually more likely to produce sapient life than so called Garden Worlds. Want to know why? Sapience is DAMNED expensive. Our brain takes up 2% of our bodies mass but required between 20 and 25% of our total daily calorie intake. Evolution tends to go down the route of least possible energy expenditure for the maximum possible gain. In other words, if Intelligence is not required, and on a Garden world where sustenance is easy to obtain and threats are few it would NOT be, then it will not evolve.
On a 'Death World' however? That is an ENTIRELY different matter.....
Hey looks like I’m early
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Don't fear the adult humans, they can be bargained with. Fear the children. They are impulsive, fundamentally selfish, and they don't know their own strength.
Bruh why humans no go back to earth,
Oh right
The sun explodes
I'm 99% sure that humanity in that story would have started moving earth around to preserve it for cultural significance.
@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178 myea
Ok so none of y’all going to talk about the fish
seems fishy to me
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