How I Really Feel About Games Workshop. (its complicated)
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In this video, I talk about why I haven't been painting or buying as many Games Workshop models lately, my thoughts on 10th edition and the Leviathan Box Set, as well as future plans for painting Tyranids...
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The side by side flipping of the rulebooks was such a good highlight of the "non-special"-ness of 10th! Great shot!
Thanks! Once I noticed how similar the books were, I knew I had to highlight it
That just seems incredibly lazy from GW especially since half the cost of the book is apparently for all the lore/art and the rest for rules.
As someone who came back in to 10th edition, I never realised they were that similar! It's incredibly lazy and uninspired.
@@Ben-fk9ey Well, they spent so much time making sure the armies were fair and balanced that they had to save time somewhere.
*muttering from off screen*
What? A thirty-two point swing between the best and worst armies in the game? That doesn't sound right.
*checks notes*
WHAT THE HELL, GW?!
Holy f
I love the sweeping video shot of the 40k models and then crashing into them with the camera - a cinematic masterpiece.
ahahahah thank you, that was from one of my older 40k videos!
Those poor unsuspecting Necrons. They never stood a chance.
a lot of the 10th ed starter models are adaptations of old models. the neurotyrant borrows heavily from the 2nd edition zoanthrope, the shooty dread is an update and upscale of a classic metal model, terminators are a direct update of old marine infantry designs, which we haven't really seen since primaris were introduced, the termagants bring back some 2e weapon options, etc.
They talked about this theme a lot on the website, but they reslly should have thrown in a separate book or pamphlet in the box itself talking about the history of the game and evolution of the models over time leading up to these designs and connecting them to their classic inspirations.
“I want to talk to you about this other box or square space”
now that is a transition.
My personal issue with 40k is simply that theres too much focus on Space marines, imo the xenos are just more interesting but get so little attention.
I read official GW stats of people who collect and play 40K 60-70% collect Space Marines. So it makes sense from a business perspective. If people stopped buying Space Marines, GW would focus more on Xenos and other factions. I personally hate Space Marines, I think they are boring, lame and too religious TBH. My armies are Aeldari and Tyranids, go figure haha. Playing Tyranids in 10th though as fate dice completely ruined Aeldari.
As a lover of the super-human warriors, I agree. The heroes are as only good as their villans
Could be, but i often wonder how skewed that data is, because most starter kits are Marines, i have a lot of space marines because i had to buy a combo box to get exclusive necrons for example.@@georgewright9223
@@georgewright9223the problem with that is that as soon as they, spot light another army those armies increase in sells. Necrons got boosted with 9th edition. So if they focused on other armies from the start they would have more sells but they still don't. Even then many space marines are flavored not generic space marines and they don't make any flavor just generic. We arnt seeing the old school faction specific space marines with their extra stuff just a cheap sprue. Feels more like space marines are cheaper to make new designs so they push that. All the new primaris are the same guy just a different gun. Hell blaster intercessor, assult, infernus, jump intercessors
I would go one step further and say another problem is they portrayed as the clear and obvious good guys. They are too "clean". In every way possible
For me, the major lore/art shake up happend in 8th edition, new space marine designs brought about a general shift in scale for all factions, there was a 200 year time skip, alot of the stuff you mention you wanted from 10th edition. I think that editions of 40k tend to be hit or miss affiars, they aren't equally impactful. Some editions are like 9th where nothing really changes, GW just wants to bring out a new starter set they know will sell out in hours and some are like 8th where the whole universe is split in half.
This is a great point actually, I heard about this stuff but I wasn't really around for 8th edition!
Yeah. I just don’t feel like it’s enough. The game just feels tired to me.
You've articulated my feelings exactly, Dana. I've found exploring older editions of the models and games to be a great way to get that spark back for the modern releases. Keep up the great work!
Wow that side by side comparison between edition books with identical page layouts is stark.
I keep hoping for an imperial civil war with 1 faction being more traditionalist and zealous and the other being kind of an "imperial enlightenment" that works with friendly aliens to survive and that pisses the purist faction off.
Sort of like how the fall of Rome happened and a ton of Rome just...kept....going.
I agree yep I would like that too!
This does exist already in the lore with quite a few of the books covering various groups "cleansing" or "returning to the Emperor" a wayward planet or system.
From a game point of view that can be used as "justification" for an imperial on imperial (i.e. Space Marine vs Imperial Guard, etc) match-up.
One of the things that got me playing Warhammer Fantasy Battles back in the 80s was the fluff. When Rogue Trader came out, again, the fluff was epic! If you are as much into the background as the game, the current fluff is working in that direction. The Primarch of the Ultramarines has been brought out of stasis and been cured, and he is appalled at what the Empire has become. Cadia has been destroyed, and with it the Rift that has split the Galaxy. There's the shakeup with the Eldar, now identifying as the Aeldari, along with indications that the Chaos god Slaanesh is going to be destroyed by them. and last but certainly not least, they brought back the Squats! There is quite a bit going on with 40K, if you look at more than just playing. Now if they would just bring back void weapons.....
The edition cycles really are kind of too fast without enough change to the whole thing situation.
For me, the biggest problem with GW is the 'give us your money - NOW' mentality. I tried to keep up with the Kill Team releases but there was never any advanced notice of when the boxes went on sale, you basically got 1 week warning and could not budget for the release. Even if you had the money to spare you then had about 30 seconds when the product was available. Limited release is fine as a marketing trick but core rules (like the recent Necromunda Book) and season box sets (as with Kill Team) should be available for at least the whole of the season. Dictating when we spend our money is not the way to run a business. GW is basically becoming the Imperium of Man - they want to eliminate the Xenos/Chaos (read competition) and control the populace (tell us what we can buy and when we can buy it). As with an increasing number of people I am looking at other systems and from a painting point of view (my main interest) I prefer the less detailed/fussy minis made by companies such as Mantic/Corvus Belli/TT Combat. I will still be buying Necromunda stuff though. (And one day I may get my Core Rules paid for pre-order).
9th edition also introduced a new visual aesthetic for peripheral stuff like the logo and the box art which helped it feel more “new”. The biggest shake up for 10th are the rules which are invisible to most people.
The book being mostly the same was super disappointing. Also this could have been an opportunity to feature another chapter, Blood Angels for example, look at all these cool new jump pack intercessors, alongside the new terminators they could have made an awesome Blood Angels launch. You make awesome content BTW, thank you.
Part of the reason oft quoted for the ultra smurfs is they're the perfect blend of generic and all round. So in a launch box and more importantly the starter boxes they're a good starting point before people discover the more interesting chapters.
I look forward to when you paint these nids, your bowsers hive fleet was awesome!
Interesting to hear issues from the hobby side. How GW handles the rules for their games is what has made me fall out of love with them.
A little late to the party Dana. That sure is a lot of plastic and it was great hearing your thoughts. Thank you very much for the shout out of the art print, much appreciated 💜
Thank you Alex!!! My pleasure I'll be getting it framed eventually, thank you for the print!! 💜
@@DanaHowl my pleasure!
I would love to see you just paint miniatures, kind of like how Ninjo does. You're so talented and have a different eye to everyone else.
Thank you for those painting tutotrials and videos, they have been invaluable as I learned a lot more than I could have on my own. Also I really enjoy the different styles in which you've shown because as much as I enjoy the 'grimdark' or 'blanchitsu' aesthetic I love colour and things to pop so this is my go to channel for that. Thanks again.
10th edition just feels rushed to me, like the team was on this deadline they couldn't meet and cobbled together these rules and reused what they could from 9th in terms of lore, art, and story. I believe GW is a great model making company and money making company - the in between really need some help.
Thanks for you wonderful advice on the Broken Anvil Studio Paints kickstarter, glad i found you on my introduction to this wargaming hobby
Excellent video! So glad to hear someone talk about what's in the box and how they feel about it, rather than just pulling out a model and painting it. Although I can wait to see what you do with those tyranids, your paint schemes are always the best! ❤
Thank you for sharing you personal experiences with us!
I've been feeling a similar fatigue with GW models, at least with 40k. I've been collecting since 5th edition, and recently I just don't care that there's new scouts, or jump pack primaris, or slightly upscaled terminators. I'm glad there are new genestealers models, but I already had 72 (that I can only field 30 now?). The new Pyrovore doesn't interest me, especially at the cost.
However, I have taken the plunge to finally collect Skaven, and I'm enjoying the building and kit-bashing process. Different aspects of the game and universe interest me at different times.
The ad transition was soooo good had my smiling like you sneaky lil.... Well done
Great video Dana, thank you. Your page flipping of the 9th and 10th edition rule books reminded me why I went of the game. I still buy some models as and when they move me. Enjoy combat patrols
I think you hit the nail on the head with 'safe'. With the resurgence of the tyranid threat and that tyranids are supposed to evolve quickly, we could have had all sorts of fun takes on classic tyranid models...but it was all super safe. Even the most recent model releases all feel safe. Re imagining of classic models, nostalgia bate
I'm new to the game, I bought the Ultimate Starter Set and I love it. Maybe because it's all new to me. I look forward to hearing more about your experiences with Combat Patrol.
Im right there with you on Combat Patrol. Ive always loved the models but never been much interested in thengame of 40k, but Combat Patrol may change that... especially as my son (14) is also interested.
The smaller games seem to alwaysbhave the vest models which is also why id love a 40k game in the vein of Underworlds, especially as WU is still one of my favourite games (despite not collecting anything since season 4).
All great points and valuable insights. I'm very new to mini painting coming from gunpla and wanting to expand a bit. I picked up the leviathan box and really love it, as i imagine most people do the first time they get their first box. I love the painted army displays, reading about characters for the first time, etc.
I also wonder if this is a fault of the product of turning a passion into a job. It's now just a thing about making content or worrying about value and price and such.
Love your videos, and I've definitely adopted a lot of your early technique videos with sketch style into my own as I'm starting this leg of my hobby journey.
I think for me it's how rushed and undrafted rules wise things have been for 10th. My brother and I both have painted armies - we love to paint, but no idea how to play. 😅 So we decided that 10th was when we were going to buckle down and learn. I read the physical data cards for my army (Drukhari) and was appalled at how much was missing, from obvious keywords (forgetting that aircraft should have fly was a bit daft, or that one of our leading characters needed her unit type) to entire weapons. The kicker was when my brother bought the space marine data cards and paid nearly the same amount of money to have a pack a good inch thicker than mine. Okay, Drukhari haven't got anywhere near as many units as Marines, but they could at least have given a substantial price difference considering the difference in the amount of the cards.
The launch honestly feels like it was handed to the work experience kid to do.
Thanks for a great video Dana. Your end point really made me think, are people happy with how things are going genuinely or because it is being presented to them and they feel like they should.
Obviously they will never be able to please everyone.
I started 40K with Tyranids so I'm really excited about the new Leviathan Tyranids. I split two boxes with friends and got all 1500 points of those new Tyranids painted up and have been having a blast with the new rules (core rules, index rules, and crusade rules have all been really fun for my local community). I agree that Combat Patrol format is something special and I feel drawn toward it like you, but unfortunately, nobody in my area seems as excited about it as I am.
So looking forward to your colour scheme for nids, I was well happy with my necrons in pink scheme.
Love their IP's hate the company.
You just summed up the whole video lmao
4th Ed rule book is my favourite source of inspiration and I will keep it for the rest of my life. I liked a couple of pages of pictures at the beginning with GSC in 10th and then put it back in the box.
I’m just finishing up my Necron combat patrol, and I’ve got three more to paint. Looking forward to more of your videos.
I am glad that you are posting other stuff of 40K even if it do less numbers on youtubes. Your lego space set conversions where so nice. :)
It is nice to balance WH and other stuff.
Combat Patrol has been the main focus of my hobby with the release of 10th. If they do the same with Vanguard boxes in AoS, I can see myself getting into that game as well.
The thing with GW's current business model (< heh, "model") is that if you're the sort of person who just wants to paint their miniatures, then you could arguably say you're living through a veritable golden age of aesthetically pleasing products to choose from - golden in the sense of sculpt quality and golden in the sense of how ruinously expensive they are ;p
However my heart goes out to anybody who actually plays any of GW's games, especially 40k, and especially anybody who plays competitively, given the breakneck pace they update some of heir systems for reasons that are almost blatantly money-grubbing. The fact those 10th edition space marine data cards came out in June, and then GW "legended" a significant chunk of the units represented therein in July, demonstrates either breath-taking incompetence or wilful lack of long-term planning on the companies part.
*EDIT:* You putting those 9th and 10th edition rule books side-by-side demonstrates everything I hate about release cycles now, and why I'm incapable of allowing myself to get invested in a lot of mainstream games anymore. It's one of the evident examples proving that the likes of GW and WOTC aren't so much interested in making new editions as they are making their customers pay recurrently for the same stuff.
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
What makes me interested in buying GW minis tends to be if I feel like I can use them outside of their intended purpose. The new humans they're releasing for AOS would make amazing city guards in a DnD campaign, lots of the Killteams would look awesome exploring Space Station 0. I'm not great at actually using them for ANY purpose outside of Bloodbowl, but I'm far more likely to care about buying and painting something new if it's got some cool unique sculpts and I feel like it'd have more than 1 use.
I feel the same ... I'm gluing my tyranids side of the box too and feel like a goose that GW try to overflow with products. I decide to slow down my purchase (really, rally slow down!!) I lose some motivation in part because I start a Dothan army and can't find the vehicule for 8-9 mount!!?? I can paint for many years with my stuff already bought and I paint 300 models by year... stay like you are miss, you're super cool!
I agree with a lot of this. I feel like one of the reasons there hasn't been a large shake up of lore is because a lot of 40k fans, like GW themselves are afraid of change and doing something vastly different. There would be so much complaining and crying. I feel like the last time we had that was Primaris marines and we're still dealing with that outcry.
Excited to see what you do with those nids!
I absolutely agree with you about combat patrol. I'd also lost my passion with 40k, and am hopeful that helps bring it back.
Honestly, it's the models and lore that keeps pulling people in, so changing that would be like switching out your only scoring player in a match of sport. They've been making the rules "more accesible" for years now, and that seems to work. More people seem to be getting into Warhammer.
Change also doesn't really work for 40K. It's about perpatuating war, where no one faction is ever gaining ground.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and very interesting comments. I am 90% a painter and player of historical minis. Most periods I am interested in (Ancient Rome, Dark Ages Europe, American War for Independence, US Civil War) have been covered by multiple rule sets and manufacturers. So historical players do not depend as much on one rule set or manufacturer. However, I find that as I grow older, I get interested in new periods or models. That gets me into new companies or back to old ones that had lines that I did not learn about when they first came out. It is troublesome finding minis for games that have gone out of print 5 years ago.
So many cool games out there now, and there's more than enough GW channels. I am here for some hobby diversity. Also shout out to 401, I remember when that place was literally just a continence store with a shelf for TCGs and I would skip school to go down and check out the latest MTG and L5R sets.
For me, 10th was a great time to start my tyranid army again after needing to sell it for financial reasons. Although I agree, GW is making it harder for me to support them just from price point alone because of how expensive everything has gotten.
I understand that "problem", I have the same with 40K...nothing ever really changes or evolves. Even if something "big" happens (cadia falls, the silent king returns, ynnari are formed), nothing comes of it in the big picture.
AOS 2E and 40k 8th was the golden age in my opinion, back when we had nice cheap start collecting kits with good contents inside them.....Then slowly but surely the price started to creep, then the box sets started getting less and less in them....Then the paint pots got smaller.......the list just goes on.....
Its like Old GW somewhere at this stage infiltrated an agent back inside the HQ and turned it back to how the company used to be. :(
I absolutely love the new combat patrol format. Totally agree this was their time to shake things up too
It could be fun to look back and get into vintage Warhammer , I would recommend Mordheim.
I think they were keeping it safe with 10th because 9th was hobbled by Covid and everything. But yeah as much as I like Leviathan I wish I'd been into the game when Indomitus came out. That was a damn good box.
I was really pleasantly surprised to discover I had almost complete Necron and Tau combat patrols from old Kill Team pickups + Indomitus. Between that and all my second-hand necrons apparently being way more fun to play, I've actually paused on my riot quest grind to get colours on my robots. (time will tell if I actually play anywhere lol)
I've been thinking about this video lately. I was in a Warhammer Store & Cafe, and the only box that inspired me was Trugg's Great Troggherd. Maybe it's time to Kings of War...
Love the models. The price is just too high made me stop buying any GW models, it feels like microtransactions in video games where they are trying to strip me of every cent I own to play.
There's a way to make miniatures by yourself (Y T keeps censoring my reply to you here)
On my channel
There's an alternative
I think that because of the success of Vermintide and Total Warhammer games, GW is trying to get some of that Old World grime into AoS. But its totally valid that Age of Sigmar appealed to you because it was so different. I hadn't really thought about it before but it was a strength that AoS was quite different from 40k. Hopefully they can still remain distinct.
As a tyranids collector I really enjoyed the 10th box and I was able to give the spacemarine side to my brother for his birthday.
I get excited every time your new vid pops up in my recommended feed. I was still on the fence about Leviathan, so I appreciate your perspective on it. Space Marine person, but I think I'd also like to have some more variety. Definitely Starcraft vibes. I felt this box was was underwhelming as well though. I imagined there'd be a special anniversary edition box or something. I also regularly want better from GW, but I still love Warhammer.
My group has also been feeling fatigue over GW. We love the models, but the fact they have not embraced digital for codex and army books blows my mind. Had warhammer Plus subscription unlocked all the rules and books, paying $70-90 a year would have been a no-brainer... but dropping 3k per edition on books that copy and paste a good chunk of fluff just is not a sustainable model.
During the 9E era I started on Kill Team and started getting into the lore. 10E is exciting for me but mostly because my friends are jumping in now and Combat Patrol. My FLGS is starting a friendly Combat Patrol league and I'm looking forward to playing in that.
I totally understand what you're saying for years. I strictly bought GW, and over time, I just didn't feel it anymore, and then I found Rackham models, and I was blown away, and I was all in. I still like GW it's just not my 1st choice. I look at other models 1st, then gw 🤔
What I like most about 10th is it means there will be an 11th 😊
Also more pooch cameos plz.
I agree with you on the lack of excitement for 10th edition
I’m glad you mention the melding of the two game’s artstyles, the new cities stuff was something I was really looking forward to but the aesthetic drifts closer to 40K than I’d like. I’m working on ways to convert the models to be a bit more like the old aesthetics but the story changes still create some dissonance for me. Just glad that someone else has a similar view when I’ve largely just heard people enjoying the changes (which is totally fine btw, just for me some changes lose elements of what I liked about the faction)
i'm more of a fan of the new aesthetics than the old (PLEASE give humans armor), but i agree that the overall vibe gets way too close to 40k for no good reason. i got into AOS because it felt lighter than 40k or WHF. Stop making AOS like 40k.
It is really bad how the corpo part of GW is affecting the game. You can usually tell when a choice is made for investors. For the story, I guess it feels a lot more dynamic when you are just starting but I love the universe too much to step away.
PUPPER EYES!!! Good video out-tro. :)
For me it’s all too much. I use my hobby time to relax. However games workshop products stress me out. Too much, too expensive, no free list builder, buy this book, then buy this book.
Last year I said no more. Stress levels are down. And my hobby has become fun again. I love the old world setting however frankly TOW hasn’t even got my juices going as I know it’ll be too expensive and stressful.
Any plans to address the Broken Anvil Miniatures controversy?
the 401games jumpscare was real lmao.
Retro set would be awesome! Some old style retro terrain ruins and trees or something too would be sooooo good!! What I really want from gw tho is Mordhiem! I hope they don’t ruin it tho and do it justice with one big rulebook containing everything needed to play with every every faction, then have some cardboard buildings (to save on making it super expensive, but plastic would be great too) and 2 factions to play with, of course would need some dice and wippy stick rulers too 👌🥰
I love Combat Patrol! They can make great starting forces for my One Page Rules Grimdark Future games.
Ahhhh how many times I hoped a GW box would heal me.
Absolutely agree. My AoS 3rd starter is unopened as I pre-ordered and was totally underwhelmed by the rules. I MUCH preferred 2e. 40K had such potential at launch of 8th. Then 9th. Then I gave up because it’s just the same unbalanced mess with more paint slopped over top. Sadly, I find OPR to be a bit TOO rules light. 3e of that is sounding promising, but we’ll see. Reasons I’m fiddling with my own adaptation…
Have you thought about getting into 3d printing?
I couldn't agree more. It's really hard to ignore the giant corporation that's monetization driven and get excited.
Ugh that side by side book comparison was a buzz kill. I’m an outsider to the 40k games but if I shelled out the money for this jawn and got a reprint book I would be sad. Like you said some of the models are dope as all get out but some are just the same jawns over and over. Thank you as always for you incredible insight and I look forward to you sharing it every video.
For me, GW is putting out the best stuff they have in a long time, however it is too much all the time and I just don't have time to breath. Equally I became a dad wight around the time Dana started her channel ( so it's cool to see my baby grow as well as Dana's channel grow). But Injust don't have time to game anymore 😊
Did not get super into the hype of 10th edition recently because I started playing T'au during the 9th and I don't really enjoy their new rules for 10th so I started a turn towards AoS, which is bringing me a lot of fun with the recent Seraphons and Gitz new models!
But I didn't hear of the Combat Patrol "battle ready" lists before! And I think this is a huge improvement from before, because list building in 40k is really really hard with the different weapons for each model/unit! I think it's gonna be good to be able to test a new army by buying their Combat Patrol and starting with that only!
Also for the profit driven part, it is obvious and not very good for us overall, but I like to point out the fact that the entire rules of 10th edition are available online for free for small budget players, and that is great in my opinion!
I was into 40k since 97 but i dropped out of 9th and started AoS in 3rd. I really like the AoS range.
All rules should be free. The books should be only about art and lore. The game. The game should be extensively game tested, simple to learn and reasonably balanced and focus on war-scrolls or data sheets…
I don't know if you were interested in the last part of 9nth edition with the Arks of Omen series -- there were huge shakeups in 6he lore.
I think 10nth edition was an attempt to "simplify" things to get in new kids -- unfortunately it was glaringly rushed.
Fanny, this is exactly what was said of 9th edition…
As someone who got into Warhammer from 10th and never saw the old rulebook, I thought flipping through it was so cool and interesting. It has great artwork and writing to appeal to someone who's never seen it before. I didn't realize it was just a retread of the 9th edition book.
Man, you're right. Your analysis of the 10th edition box set made me forget that the Lion was reintroduced and that was played up as a massive deal. Now it feels like a small stone to trip over, before the next product cycle, cuz let's face it. the lion isn't really gonna shake up the setting as much.
401 games!!! That's where I get all my legion stuff! Mind you they have to ship it to me in Alberta, but they have the best prices
I'm mostly excited by the future release of The Old World. I bought Leviathan, and I am almost finished painting all of the Tyranids, but I kinda lost my hobby mojo this summer.
Used to love 40k. Left around the beginning of 9th.
I kinda feel the same way. Im excited for the Cities of Sigmar release and have pre-ordered the boxed set.
40k though, just seems a mess and as others have said,,far too focus on Space Marines. Xenos races are for more exciting for me.
Btw love your pink crons, You got a video on those?
When you talk about the screamerkiller being a great remaster and wanting more, almost every new release for marines is a remaster of old models. I do agree about the lore though, 10e is just ultramarines standing brave against the bug swarm (but losing almost nothing this time)
really great thoughts on the outro too!
They probably should have waited four leagues of votan and the lion for 10th edition. Having the lion shake things up at the same time as the leagues of votan showing up, and having them interact would have been exactly the shake up you wanted. Possibly even along with vashtor.For some reason though they did all of that during 9th. I love the new Tyranid models but they would have made more sense either during 10th or during 9th not as the new box.
No dice. That's what makes the Leviathan box feel so underwhelming. Your inner dice goblin is sad.
About combat patrols - totally agree, it's nice to be able to access so many factions. Also because the lists are fixed, you've got more room to proxy models with something else on the same base size/footprint. You can actually play a bunch of the SM patrols with models you probably already have from previous editions. For Sororitas, I think you're just missing the Rhino, any tank around that size would do.
Save those precious canuck bucks for companies that put their customers first!
I could see you potentially getting excited for Necromunda. Stylistically, you could position it somewhere between AoS and 40k, more to the grimdark, weird, and satirical side. The lore is fun and even hilarious at times, and it frequently hits that niche appeal you mentioned when talking about Kill Team warbands. Plus, the game itself is a whole lot of old-school, chaotic fun, and is currently my gaming group's favourite of all the GW games. We've been playing our campaign (the best way to experience 'Munda, IMHO) for over a year now, and it's incredible what a great story generator the game is. Also, there's a reason why #everymodelisanecromundamodel exists.
The price increases have really killed a lot of motivation to interact with GW products and worlds. I agree about the more corporate presence as well.
Can we have a video on Horus' Big Oupsie?
I feel the same way as you do about combat patrol about Kill team.its why I have SEVEN Teams.
I like the small form factor of the game model wise but since unlike you list building is one of my favorite parts and I like the fact that a kill team roster is 20 models no more
I've got 20 slots to fill and I'm going to do my best to fill those 20 slots then I'm going to name each operative and give them their own backstory and fluff and then I get to track their battles in my custom spreadsheet that I made for that purpose.
I’ve been painting/playing AoS for two years and I was excited to start 40K with the 10th edition. But in the end, I don’t have the feeling that any changes were really made (even the promise of simplification), so I’ll check other games like Mordheim, Stargrave, etc.
I was just about to say it sounds like a 10th edition double combat patrol set
i loved the settings, still find some new changes interesting, but have dropped out of love with gw for rules and even to some degree newer lore/releases and am enjoying other systems and settings, as well as feeling less bound to specific models and the power creep that exists in the game. the most interest i have had in recent years was the made to order valhallans and the upcoming made to order older fantasy miniatures, like the old marauder giant.
the 2 things gw related i am looking forward to is playing older aos rules and necromunda at some point this year, if games group can meet up :D
You make so many good and fair points in this video. I can’t go hard against GW because they have a place and are a huge market share of this hobby space. However, I’m so happy that you have been willing to give other games their paces. I just want people to feel empowered to take control of their hobby. No one can own it except for you.